Wiring harness relocation Fender fitment

[s13dan]

I have recently relocated my wiring harness in my fender. Much like many other people. I did it according to some write up on here, but im have real problems lining up my fender again.The write ups are real vague on the reinstallation of the fender. I took the conduet off the harness and ziptied it uber tight to the inner fender. Thing is my fender wont line up because of were the harness is. I bent the lip that the harness now rests on and it still has a large gap from the door to the fender. --I need some advice.--

[nismoskyz]

sorry i have nothing to say to help you out, just that i can relate to you because i also needed to relocate mine but actually i just used zipties to pull it up high enough w/o removing the fender and i have a good almost 2 inches of tire->harness clearance.

however, i bent forward that thin part of the frame that sticks down, i forget what its called, that runs almost parallel w/ the wiring harness using vice grips, and now my fender sits a good 2 - 3 mm below the hood line. :( ..this was just a few days ago too..
*EDIT* bending that part had nothing to do w/ messing up the hood line, i forgot a nut in the hood area and it was forcing the hood up


your prob is the very thing that scared me away from trying to take the fender off on my own in the first place..

hope you can figure it out man. good luck.

[SoSideways]

I have recently relocated my wiring harness in my fender. Much like many other people. I did it according to some write up on here, but im have real problems lining up my fender again.The write ups are real vague on the reinstallation of the fender. I took the conduet off the harness and ziptied it uber tight to the inner fender. Thing is my fender wont line up because of were the harness is. I bent the lip that the harness now rests on and it still has a large gap from the door to the fender. --I need some advice.--

If by "conduet", you mean the plastic wiring cover, aka the sleeving, then it should go back on without any problems.

I left the sleeving on there and couldn't get the fender to go back on, but once we took it off, it fit fine.

[mondojackal]

If by "conduet", you mean the plastic wiring cover, aka the sleeving, then it should go back on without any problems.

I left the sleeving on there and couldn't get the fender to go back on, but once we took it off, it fit fine.this is exactly what i did. i took it on and off about 3 or 4 times, but i was able to spread the wires out some, instead of leaving them in a fat bundle, and that helped a lot. the passenger side shouldn't give you any problems.

[projectRDM]

Set the fender on the top ledge and thread the bolts in a little, now go to the bottom and pull down, lining up the two on the rocker panel ledge. No matter how tight it seems the harness will give when put under pressure from the fender, and the fender will 'stretch' (for lack of a better word) to fit over it.

[dmax_silvia_s13]

I actually did the same thing a few weeks ago and had the same problem. I took the loom off and I still couldnt get my fender on right at all. I just eventually took a hammer and starting hitting the harness to flatten it out and after that i got the fender on but It was still a super tight fit and the fender doesnt fit as good as before.
Just do what Projectrdm did. I had the same gap as you by the door so I started putting the bolts in by the door and I eventually got it.

[s13dan]

I was going to flaten the harness but i didnt want to hurt it.. I will try that

[SoSideways]

They're wires...

Unless you cut them somehow, then I don't see how you can "hurt" wires?

And by "cut", I mean like, cutting either the wire in half, or the sheathing, so that wires could possibly short out on each other.

[dmax_silvia_s13]

They're wires...

Unless you cut them somehow, then I don't see how you can "hurt" wires?

And by "cut", I mean like, cutting either the wire in half, or the sheathing, so that wires could possibly short out on each other.

Yeah and If your harness is wrapped in elecrical tape I couldnt see the wires getting cut.

[chituntang]

They're wires...

Unless you cut them somehow, then I don't see how you can "hurt" wires?

And by "cut", I mean like, cutting either the wire in half, or the sheathing, so that wires could possibly short out on each other.

Try pull the wires within your computer (I mean pull it, not holding it by two hands) and it will hurt your computer. Same thing goes for the wire harness.

Trust me. I work in a computer store.

You will not hurt the harness by cutting it. You only separate one wire into two. You know 240sx owners where their car have electric problems? That is because of damaged wires, which either semi or not passing currents, or overload the wire, which toast your wires and/or electrical components.

[Maiku240sxS14]

Having the fender not aligning up correctly was the exact reason why i didn't bother with removing the fender. I went thru the trouble of moving the entire harness into the engine bay. It was very time consuming but then again i don't have a social life.

[dmax_silvia_s13]

Yeah I didnt do it in the engine bay It makes the bay look too messy. Theres already enough shit in there.

[PBucch]

Set the fender on the top ledge and thread the bolts in a little, now go to the bottom and pull down, lining up the two on the rocker panel ledge. No matter how tight it seems the harness will give when put under pressure from the fender, and the fender will 'stretch' (for lack of a better word) to fit over it.


When this guy talks, listen.

OP, you got 16X10 002's on that thing?

[SoSideways]

Try pull the wires within your computer (I mean pull it, not holding it by two hands) and it will hurt your computer. Same thing goes for the wire harness.

Trust me. I work in a computer store.

You will not hurt the harness by cutting it. You only separate one wire into two. You know 240sx owners where their car have electric problems? That is because of damaged wires, which either semi or not passing currents, or overload the wire, which toast your wires and/or electrical components.

Once you cut a wire, the electrical signal can no longer pass through, and in the context of a wiring harness, I would consider that "hurting the harness", because that wire could be a signal wire, a ground wire, or a power wire, all of which when cut will cause something to not work on a car, whether it's a sensor, the ECU, or whatever.

And why are you/why would you be pulling with all your might on the wiring harness just to relocate it anyway?

In either case, either you didn't do it right, or you missed a step somewhere in the wiring harness relocation process, because if you did everything you're supposed to, I don't see why it doesn't work on your car while everyone else got their's to work.

I guess your car could have been in an accident and it's not straight anymore?

Here's the deal:

1) pound on the lip on the frame rail and bend it up so that the harness can go from the fender well area up to the rail and over the lip via that indentation
2) pull the sleeving off of the harness
3) pull harness up over that lip on the frame rail
4) secure harness with zipties or other means
5) put fender on and go pick up bitches

If you didn't pound on that lip to give yourself a little area to pull the harness through so it can go up over the lip of the frame rail, then I can see why there's nothing you can do to fit the fender back on the car.

[projectRDM]

Once you cut a wire, the electrical signal can no longer pass through, and in the context of a wiring harness, I would consider that "hurting the harness", because that wire could be a signal wire, a ground wire, or a power wire, all of which when cut will cause something to not work on a car, whether it's a sensor, the ECU, or whatever.

And why are you/why would you be pulling with all your might on the wiring harness just to relocate it anyway?

In either case, either you didn't do it right, or you missed a step somewhere in the wiring harness relocation process, because if you did everything you're supposed to, I don't see why it doesn't work on your car while everyone else got their's to work.

I guess your car could have been in an accident and it's not straight anymore?

Here's the deal:

1) pound on the lip on the frame rail and bend it up so that the harness can go from the fender well area up to the rail and over the lip via that indentation
2) pull the sleeving off of the harness
3) pull harness up over that lip on the frame rail
4) secure harness with zipties or other means
5) put fender on and go pick up bitches

If you didn't pound on that lip to give yourself a little area to pull the harness through so it can go up over the lip of the frame rail, then I can see why there's nothing you can do to fit the fender back on the car.

Exactly. Done. The harness has all the room in the World if you do it right.

[xtreme_s14]

damn! i must've done something wrong then.. anybody have pictures of their harness relocated higher in the fender per S14? preferably the wiring along the outer fender and then inside the wheel well.. just want to compare and see what i'm doing wrong.

*EDIT*

nevermind! found a picture! here it is anyone who's curious or is too lazy to search! (still don't think it'll completely clear but i'm sure it'll be A LOT better than how mine is now!)

http://a756.ac-images.myspacecdn.com/images01/90/l_4a624728b23820fabca1d07efcabe0a3.jpg

[FusionR240sx]

i did this and still burnt thru my harness...
right be the firewall.
routing it thru the engine bay now.

[Ceepo]

This is how i did my fender harness :)
I did driver and passanger side fenders :) i am anal about shiz lol...

http://c2.ac-images.myspacecdn.com/images02/6/l_6100797aaed44812b31a4ea4d5caacb1.jpg

http://c1.ac-images.myspacecdn.com/images02/16/l_dd4d8f9ab7954c37b72fe7783bf76298.jpg

http://c4.ac-images.myspacecdn.com/images02/60/l_627d00f7dca74e08afde060ccca80e33.jpg

And the BEST zip tie ever!!!

http://c1.ac-images.myspacecdn.com/images02/19/l_3ee95bcc82ba45e78812e07ed7b08fc4.jpg

[FusionR240sx]

well for some reason my dirvers side harness doesn't budge much at all...
so engine bay it goes.

[boske]

The drivers side harness doesn't relocate very well, it has the fuse box on one end, and a relay box on the other. I'm pretty sure you would have to cut and splice each wire, I might be wrong but thats why I gave up trying to relocate the drivers side. The passenger side works out pretty nice, one of the connectors under the dash is pulled up a little higher and harder to reach, the way I did it anyway. As far as moving them under the fender, you are denting the fender if it doesn't fit right, and it won't without beating that lip down. I don't know if it actually matters, but I didn't want to beat the lip down and have a clearence issue with that. I think some people have plenty of clearence with fiberglass fenders, and others just aren't concerned about the fender fitting too tight.

[SoSideways]

Holy fuck why are people bitching about beating that lip on the rail to fit the harness over?

Nobody's car has ever broke into 2 or bent their frame from simply pounding the lip up on 1 spot so the harness can be flipped over the rail.



FusionR240sx (http://zilvia.net/f/members/fusionr240sx.html) - you probably need to run a little more caster or pound the firewall there a little bit to move the harness grommet out of the way, because that's probably where you rubbed your shit all the way through.

[Om1kron]

zip ties, you guys are hilarious LOLOLOL!!!!

get a thin sheet of aluminum... get some metal piercing screws put your harness up high without BANGING any metal then put the aluminum plate under it, screw it into your wheel well. It's not pretty but unless you drive with your hood open nobody will see and your tire can contact that aluminum all day without cutting it(the tire) up or burning through your harness. Hit it with some primer or rustoleum so it doesn't "rust" and bam.

done, and done.

really hard to see but you can see the ridge from the corner of the aluminum sheet you can pick up at lowes or home depot.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v46/om1kron/My%20Cars/1996%20240sx%20Kouki/2008-12-05%20-%20DO%20WORK/2008-12-05015.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v46/om1kron/My%20Cars/1996%20240sx%20Kouki/2008-12-05%20-%20DO%20WORK/2008-12-07007.jpg

[Ceepo]

My driver side harness relocated just fine, i cut a little notch out of that lip and it slipped right up above it, never had a problem, i got some sand paper and sanded the sharp edge down, and i pulled to wiring loom off and wrapped the wires in electrical tape and it was fine :)

[SoSideways]

zip ties, you guys are hilarious LOLOLOL!!!!

get a thin sheet of aluminum... get some metal piercing screws put your harness up high without BANGING any metal then put the aluminum plate under it, screw it into your wheel well. It's not pretty but unless you drive with your hood open nobody will see and your tire can contact that aluminum all day without cutting it(the tire) up or burning through your harness. Hit it with some primer or rustoleum so it doesn't "rust" and bam.

done, and done.


Did you just suggest for people to spray primer or rustoleum on aluminum so that it won't rust?

Or did you just type that sentence really badly so that it seemed that way?

[Om1kron]

Did you just suggest for people to spray primer or rustoleum on aluminum so that it won't rust?

Or did you just type that sentence really badly so that it seemed that way?

on the sheet metal on your wheel tub the screw will penetrate in the engine bay... which is prone to rust from cutting into it... which is very apparent by the holes in my car for intercooler tubes.

[upSLIDEdown]

Did you just suggest for people to spray primer or rustoleum on aluminum so that it won't rust?

Or did you just type that sentence really badly so that it seemed that way?

LMAO


Yeah, it's really not that hard, and there are numerous threads on this already, I don't why this is still up. I know I posted a writeup on running it through the engine bay too, and how I fixed the problem of rubbing at the grommet. If you have more trouble, search "harness" and my name.


And the BEST zip tie ever!!!

http://c1.ac-images.myspacecdn.com/images02/19/l_3ee95bcc82ba45e78812e07ed7b08fc4.jpg

No.

Best zip tie ever. This is what I used when mine used still be in the fender. Plastic ones broke at one point, and my harness fell and rubbed the top of the tire. Luckily, I was checking it regularly and caught it before it got through anything more than the plastic loom.

http://www.eb-electronic.cn/Stainless%20steel%20tie%20F.jpg

[SoSideways]

^OHS NOES! THOSE ARE CHINESE!!

Maybe those are knock off metal zipties!! RUN AWAY FROM THEM!!!

[upSLIDEdown]

LOL


I got mine from harbor freight, but I couldn't find them on their site. lol

[CamryOnBronze]

zip ties, you guys are hilarious LOLOLOL!!!!

get a thin sheet of aluminum... get some metal piercing screws put your harness up high without BANGING any metal then put the aluminum plate under it, screw it into your wheel well. It's not pretty but unless you drive with your hood open nobody will see and your tire can contact that aluminum all day without cutting it(the tire) up or burning through your harness. Hit it with some primer or rustoleum so it doesn't "rust" and bam.

done, and done.

really hard to see but you can see the ridge from the corner of the aluminum sheet you can pick up at lowes or home depot.


I picked up a BOSS harness protector from the FS section that is very similar to this idea. Ill post pics once it is installed- here is a pic of what the kit included:

http://i40.tinypic.com/ehk8bn.jpg

[SoSideways]

^I have no idea why they stopped selling it.

Can't find that anywhere on the interwebz now.

[CamryOnBronze]

I couldnt find it anywhere either, I just say it mentioned in a thread and looked everywhere. One happened to pop up for sale that day, so I jumped on it- it looks like a really nice piece.