Just an Idea

[moose]

I was thinking about muscle cars and it came to me,
Why don't they build a I8 Import engine? I know they have I6 that are capable of lots of horsepower, but somebody should try to make an inline 8 cylinder. The V8 boys would have nothing to say about our imports because we would have the same number of cylinders, and we might even be able to make more power then them, and still have great handling and great style. I don't know maybe someone should try this, maybe the japanese should think this up and draw plans for it. Make a test engine, it could work!

An 8 cylinder Supra -- That would be sick
No wait, an 8 cylinder Skyline -- ohh that would be so sweet.....

[TheTimanator]

Well, I've never heard of inline-8's but there a few import drag cars that our powered by V8's. If I'm not mistaken they use the Toyota Tudra i-Force V8.

[Phlip]

One problem with that: The thing would be ungodly long and unlikely to fit under any of our hoods, but otherwise not a horrible idea.

[moose]

yeah,
but what about an import V8? Except not the Tundra V8, but maybe a Nissan V8 or even a Honda V8. Inline 8's are porbably too long, but it would still perform amazing.

[Phlip]

V8s would be a really good idea, and I believe Toyota is dreaming up the return of the supra with a V8... Nissan and honda, however, seem to lean more towards forced indution small engines (Nissan) and parlor tricks for high specific output engines (Honda) and don't have pickup trucks and SUVs (thank God) to modify engines from to do so... The V8 is a killer idea, but people would find something else about them to complain about and we are all aware of this. Think about it, Q45 V8 in an S14 with LSD...

[ca18guy]

Old bugattis had inline-8's. I remember seeing them on the History channel, had really long front ends.

[DarkRaptor42]

Some porches are 8cly and they arent to long. Also the viper is a straight 10 and its not too long, shorter than a 240 I think. Also BMW makes a straight 12cly TT engine that they just brought to the states last year (only 1000). As far as I know, Japanese car companys dont make v8s because it doesnt comply with japanese restrictions and practicality.

[ca18guy]

Viper is a V10 and the bimmer your talking about is a v12 also not a inline.

[AutoDestruct]

V10, and if i am not mistaken the 12's from BMW are V's as well. Not sure though. Viper is a V10, proof positive;)

Awww. Ca18 man takes all the fun. O'well

[AKADriver]

Straight 8's were common in luxury cars until the late '30s/early '40s. The common counterweighted V8 replaced the straight 8 because it's just as smooth and much smaller.

Nissan has a full size truck coming out soon called the Titan, powered by a 5.6L V8, IIRC the largest V8 offered by a Japanese company in a consumer vehicle.

[Annoying Eric]

4cyl's can get just as much hp as V8's......

I would think that a v8 or I8 in our small cars would have some serious weight problems.. the front would be laying on the floor.. HAHA... you would have to weigh down the back, and then your car would be too heavy.......so yeah i dunno, those are my thoughts....

[misnomer]

It's not the number, it's the size that counts :P

Also, don't get too tied up on inline engines, there are no serious advantages to them over a v

[tnord]

an inline 8 with any kind of bore would be ungodly long. there just isn't any good reason to do it. and that 8cyl porsche you're talking about, the 928, that's a V8, not an inline.

[uiuc240]

Originally posted by DarkRaptor42
Some porches are 8cly and they arent to long. Also the viper is a straight 10 and its not too long, shorter than a 240 I think. Also BMW makes a straight 12cly TT engine that they just brought to the states last year (only 1000). As far as I know, Japanese car companys dont make v8s because it doesnt comply with japanese restrictions and practicality.

WTF are you talking about?

Those engines you mention are all "V" configuration.

And you're forgetting the Infiniti Q45 and the Lexus LS and multiple SUVs...check your "facts" bro before you post.

Eric

[HippoSleek]

this might actually be the dumbest post I've read today - even worse than the one about putting a fwd motor into a rwd car. :sigh:

1) don't expect innovation out of Japanese manufacturers
2) don't expect Japanese car companies to produce many engines over 2.0L due to taxes in Japan
3) don't expect a 2.0 litre V-anything to perform well (see, e.g., v6 found in the MX3)

[Stee Flo]

I think one reason they dont use v8 engines in japanese cars is because of the weight disadvantages. Weight is a big factor in making a car go fast, and if you can pull big hp numbers in a lightweight 4 or 6 cylinder, that seems like a smarter choice.

[kandyflip445]

One of the reasons is the length like everyone said. Another is the fact that with a inline 8 would not be smooth like AKADriver mentioned. This is because of the LONG crankshaft. Plus Inline engines tend to be taller than V-type configurations. Meaning that they would have to make the hood higher to fit it in...or make you sit higher. Or they could you a slant-type motor but it would still be long. There would be issues with placing the engine to get good weight distribution...etc...etc...etc...

Just let them do the R&D I'm sure they have forgotten more then you or I have even learned yet.

[Stee Flo]

Originally posted by misnomer
It's not the number, it's the size that counts :P

Also, don't get too tied up on inline engines, there are no serious advantages to them over a v

Dont forget horizontally opposed engines. I boosted 2.5rs can really fly!:D

[Phlip]

Originally posted by Stee Flo
Dont forget horizontally opposed engines. I boosted 2.5rs can really fly!:D
It can break a transmission like no other too...

[moose]

Originally posted by HippoSleek
this might actually be the dumbest post I've read today - even worse than the one about putting a fwd motor into a rwd car. :sigh:

1) don't expect innovation out of Japanese manufacturers
2) don't expect Japanese car companies to produce many engines over 2.0L due to taxes in Japan
3) don't expect a 2.0 litre V-anything to perform well (see, e.g., v6 found in the MX3)

Sorry about my interest HippoSleek, but someone around here has to do up some thinking into what we can build for the future. I mean, it's been 4 cyl this 4 cyl that with the occasional 6 cyl, why not invent something new. Your probably fine with the same ol' same ol' but I like change, change is good, and it's about frigin time these japanese get it!

tell me and my stupid posts.... let's just see some of your frigin posts....... stupid fool not even taking it into consideration.... lousy no good frigger.......I'll show you..........

[misnomer]

Hey now, moose, don't make me wash your mouth out with soap, friggin potty mouth :P

Anyhow, 4 cy, 6 cyl, no innovation. I know. Make a motor with 8 cylinders!!! And you can put it in a 3000 or 3500 lb car. . . Excellent. I will hug it and squeeze it and call it Mustang.

Nothing wrong with a big motor. Just curious, what is the point of this conversation?

Motors, even Nissan motors, keep getting bigger and bigger (2.0-2.4-2.5 on the small sedans, whatever to 3.0 to 3.5 on the maxima). Look at the Z too, the numbers keep getting bigger and bigger, not for the car, but for the size of the motor in it. Number of cylinders isn't as big a deal as total displacement and other tuning.

I dunno where I'm going with this train of thought. I think I'll get off now.

[thelinja]

Hippo is right though. You can't expect innovation from Japan. (Like V10 motorcycles and V16 Caddies)
The hood on my S14 is long compared to a typical import hood. I don't even think you can fit just one more cylinder under there. In general Japan has never been known to have large displacement engines according to my knowledge. The biggest engine from Japan I can think of right now is the VQ35 that is used in the Maxima and the 350Z. Another factor is gasoline. Prices are rising around the globe. An I8 sports car that requires premium octane is the last thing we need because noone would buy it. You have an idea about it being "badass" and whatnot. Sure it might be possible to make one...but it ain't practical.

[BadMoJo]

Not to mention an I-8 will snap cranks like a mofo. :)

[whateverjames]

the 300zx, supra, 3000gt and rx7 were kind of innovative in the 90's. just my opinion

[drift freaq]

1) don't expect innovation out of Japanese manufacturers


hahahhahhaha Hippo you are a crack up. You also don't know your history.
Japanese companies have been innovative. Our beloved Nissan did it in 1970 how you ask? They brought us a incrediable sports car for $3999 at a time when the closest thing in comparision would have cost you $10k Yes the 240z. A classic!!
Honda motorcycles did it too with some of the highest revving 4 strokes ever built. Hmmmmm Honda Formula one engines damn if those babys did not lead several seasons of Formula one.
Japanese companies have innovation down . How you ask. Well they look at what other people are doing and manage to bring it in at a lower price point and with quality.
These facts come with the knowledge, that due to certain people related to oneself, America has always had the lead in integrated circuits. Basically VLSI and RISC . Ya call me a Silicon valley brat:p :D
Hell,don't sell the Japanese short they were smart enough to check out my dads automated factorys back in the 70's and copy them and use them to kick our ass in cosumer electronics.
Now they do a lot of copieing and refining but they can be innovative.
Hippo, I think you just woke up on the wrong side of the bed permanately . hehehehhehehe J/K

[HippoSleek]

freaq - that is exactly my point. Innovation is creation. Japanese society is not based on innovation/creativity/"being different." It's a square peg/square hole society. Copying a design and manufacturing it as good as or better than all competitors at a lower price point? THAT the Japanese lead/led the world at. Examples - sure, the 240z, TVs, CD players, DVD players, vtec, forced induction. They are exellent manufacturers, but horrible innovators. I completely agree w/ everything you posted - but disagree with the conclusion/underlying premise. I think that you may be the one to re-examine history - or a dictionary for the definition of innovation. To me, inventing the DVD player is innovation - building it in a sleek, dependable package or 60% of the cost of other producers is not.

:p Now I may have perpetually gotten up on the wrong side of the bed, but I am not a blind follower of anything. I respect that which warrants my admiration, but I swing on no sack without cause. --Not popular on a car message board where everyone is so facinated with Japan that they can't imagine that its not the best at everything -- but someone has to be a voice of reason. :D

Moose - when you can cogently address the points I raised, feel free to leave the kiddies table and attempt a reasonable discourse. Until then, try reading up on automobiles before you start posting your preteen concepts of engineering. Thanks.

[moose]

congradulations hipposleek, you got me. Yeah that and all your slick 12 syllable words, man you think I'm hurt don't you. Your one of those smart a$$ guys that needs a good punch in the mouth, and a kick in the teeth. It's really good you can type those big words and put them all together, because you've got nothing else, but your words. As for that last comment, you need to get a life seriously. It's a pretty intelligent topic, but so is brain surgery, so I should go post some threads on www.brainsurgery.com, to become even more intelligent.

Jack A$$!

[logo20]

back to the subject... I don't think I8 is a good idea just because weight distribution would be kinda bad as well as gas mileage. but I'd like to see japanes manufaturers make more mid-engine cars.

[burgy240]

Actually isn't the viper a flat 10? I'm pretty sure it is, at least the original was I think.

[zonedout365]

Wow these posts made my day!! I love to see other people argue and complain online, it makes me notice how much my life has more meaning than having little bickering matches. At least I know now what Im going to Kuwait to fight for.

[DSC]

Originally posted by zonedout365
At least I know now what Im going to Kuwait to fight for.

Oil I believe it is...

And just fyi, hippo is well spoken in person too...I wouldn't ask him to dumb up his speach in an attempt to fit in on a message board.

About the original question, bad idea :) but I think we've got that down already. As for the reactions, i dono whats up...nothing wrong with asking a crazy question IMO. It's better to dream up crazy ****, whether you understand it or not, than just do nothing.

[uiuc240]

Originally posted by burgy240
Actually isn't the viper a flat 10? I'm pretty sure it is, at least the original was I think.

Are you serious? :eek: :confused: :rolleyes: :mad:

damn. just when i thought the intelligence level was UP around here. ugh.

help me, mark!!!

Eric

[HippoSleek]

Originally posted by uiuc240
Are you serious? :eek: :confused: :rolleyes: :mad:

damn. just when i thought the intelligence level was UP around here. ugh.

help me, mark!!!

Eric

How's this?

http://www.rally37.freeserve.co.uk/viper/engine2.jpg
http://www.rally37.freeserve.co.uk/viper/v10.jpg

and this?
History of the Viper motor (http://www.allpar.com/model/viphist.htm)

Hey Ryan - do you know the last car outfitted with a straight 10? A Dusey, perhaps?

Mark - who enjoys destroying people's stupid dreams and would like to frame moose's retort ;) QwN3d

[uiuc240]

ya know, i don't think i've actually read about a straight 10. was there one? i thought duesenbergs were 12's.....hmmmm.

i guess i could google.

1914 In January the Duesenberg brothers begin to work on two 12 cylinder engines of 200 horsepower each, coupled in tandem, as a 24 cylinder powerplant for Commodore Pugh. Pugh wants to win the 1914 International Harmsworth Trophy race in England. Because of World War I the race is canceled. Nonetheless, the speedboat sets a world record of nautical miles‑a‑minute, (69.12) mph. It's the first time a boat is ever propelled faster than 60 mph. The powerplant produces a mind‑boggling rating of 600 horsepower

inline 24, ownz joo!!! :eek: :cool:

anyway, nice job with those pics. i didn't actually mean for you to do work when i asked you to help....you knew that, right??;)

anyway, back to interesting stuff.

(we need to hide the cool conversations in "Motorsports"...none of the noobs go there).

Eric

[240 2NR]

Cool, I'm only 20 cylinders and 80 valves away from an I-24:D

Now before anyone considers actually proposing an I-24, remember that an I-8 is already too long for our engine compartment.

Oh and before it happens, the rotary engine was a german idea (in the 1920's?) that was tried by several companies, buy only mazda embraced it.

[AceInHole]

Originally posted by uiuc240
WTF are you talking about?

Those engines you mention are all "V" configuration.

And you're forgetting the Infiniti Q45 and the Lexus LS and multiple SUVs...check your "facts" bro before you post.

Eric

LOL. Still looks like no one paid any attention to this post, and it pretty much answers the original post.

Anyways, you forgot about the Nissan Titan:
From Freshalloy.com:
Nissan's "live big" full size was unveiled at the 2003 NAIAS (Detroit Auto Show). The truck features an all new 5.6L aluminum DOHC V-8 engine called "Endurance" with an output over 300 bhp and 375 lb-ft of torque.

Imagine that thing shoehorned into a 240 :eek:

[240 2NR]

Originally posted by HippoSleek

3) don't expect a 2.0 litre V-anything to perform well (see, e.g., v6 found in the MX3)

Weren't early ferrari racing engines 1.5L V-12's?

(They probably made more power than the MX3 too)