S14 or MKIII Supra?

[LA_phantom_240]

I may have the chance to scoop up an 87 MKIII Supra on the cheap soon. Its non turbo, but I've been told its been garage kept and in great shape. I'm thinking of selling my s14, which now has 167k miles on the body (which has damage :-/), 84k on the motor, and more gremlins than I can shake my dick at... or is it shake a stick? I dunno... my hearing sucks. Anyway, I figure with the wheels, mods, sound, etc. I can get maybe 3k for it once I fix its bogging/cutting out problem. I can pick this supra up for like $1700, and then replace the headgasket (which is a problem with the 7M cause Toyota fucked up torque specs) and turbo it.

I'm torn really. Once I see it I'll get pics.

[turbo_dreams]

Why not sell the s14, Pick up an s13 for a grand (because they can be found for that much if you look), and spend what you have left on a t3/t4 setup ka-t.

[Koopa Troopa]

So you want to get rid of a piece of shit and get a piece of shit?

[projectRDM]

Indeed. I love the old Supras but they have that late 80s interior where everything is weird. Replacement parts are harder to find, aftermarket isn't as big, and the car is heavy as hell. If it's strictly a DD and you plan to just maybe throw wheels on it, cool, but you're going to spend even more if you start toying with it than any 240.

[LA_phantom_240]

Why not sell the s14, Pick up an s13 for a grand (because they can be found for that much if you look), and spend what you have left on a t3/t4 setup ka-t.

Because I've had 4 S13s and I really dislike the interiors in them, and finding an S13 in decent shape (meaning clean with minor body and interior damage) for under 2g's is rare.

Indeed. I love the old Supras but they have that late 80s interior where everything is weird. Replacement parts are harder to find, aftermarket isn't as big, and the car is heavy as hell. If it's strictly a DD and you plan to just maybe throw wheels on it, cool, but you're going to spend even more if you start toying with it than any 240.

Strictly DD. I only own one vehicle. I've rode in a couple MKIIIs before, and they're so comfortable on the interstate, and the extra weight gives it a feel that no S-Chassis I've driven has been able to replicate.

[Koopa Troopa]

a feel that no S-Chassis I've driven has been able to replicate.

The feel of driving a really big car with no power whatsoever?

[LA_phantom_240]

The feel of driving a really big car with no power whatsoever?

Something like that :fawkd: But its better than a really little car with no power whatsoever.

lol.

I dunno. I'll have to get acquainted better with it before making a decision.

[Antihero983]

no power?

wtf are you on? have you never driven a turbo one? they boogie pretty good IMO.

the 7MGTE is actually a pretty good engine, and I say that having worked at toyota, and having worked on a couple. although, i didn't really do anything major to them while they were in.....so i dunno if that even counts. lol

I say get the Supra. I had a choice between one and my s13 and I chose my s13. I think it was a mistake 5 years later.

[LA_phantom_240]

no power?

wtf are you on? have you never driven a turbo one? they boogie pretty good IMO.

the 7MGTE is actually a pretty good engine, and I say that having worked at toyota, and having worked on a couple. although, i didn't really do anything major to them while they were in.....so i dunno if that even counts. lol

I say get the Supra. I had a choice between one and my s13 and I chose my s13. I think it was a mistake 5 years later.
I've had a lot of S-Chassis cars... and I want something different, but similar. I'm not getting a fail-wheel-drive.

[xtreme_s14]

MK3 for sure! ..don't bother fixing the headgasket! save your money and get a 1JZ! it's surprisingly cheaper than an SR swap.. at least in socal!

[1985zcar]

MK3 supras kick ass if they're in good condition and don't have blue or burgandy interior, haha...my friend and I did a NA-T setup on his Supra once, and it lasted quite a while...he actually sold it NA-T and the next buyer somehow cracked the block. lol

Or like the guy above me suggested...a 1J can be found for around 1000-1500 dollars for a swap!

[jdizzy204]

mk3:bigok:
http://s2.supra.gr.jp/images/menu_05_products_04style.jpg
S2 - Supra Style - (http://s2.supra.gr.jp/products_04style.html)

[BorHor]

I liked my MK3. I used it as a DD and slide car. I kinda regret selling it now but oh well. I have a S13 vert now and it is not as nice and as comfortable as the MK3 ever was.

Pics of what I had.
http://i172.photobucket.com/albums/w32/BorHor/6-29-08%20selling%20supra/th_P6291121.jpg (http://i172.photobucket.com/albums/w32/BorHor/6-29-08%20selling%20supra/P6291121.jpg)
http://i172.photobucket.com/albums/w32/BorHor/6-29-08%20selling%20supra/th_P6291133.jpg (http://i172.photobucket.com/albums/w32/BorHor/6-29-08%20selling%20supra/P6291133.jpg)

[LA_phantom_240]

I liked my MK3. I used it as a DD and slide car. I kinda regret selling it now but oh well. I have a S13 vert now and it is now as nice and as comfortable as the MK3 ever was.

Pics of what I had.
http://i172.photobucket.com/albums/w32/BorHor/6-29-08%20selling%20supra/th_P6291121.jpg (http://i172.photobucket.com/albums/w32/BorHor/6-29-08%20selling%20supra/P6291121.jpg)
http://i172.photobucket.com/albums/w32/BorHor/6-29-08%20selling%20supra/th_P6291133.jpg (http://i172.photobucket.com/albums/w32/BorHor/6-29-08%20selling%20supra/P6291133.jpg)

Beautiful car

[Cloud9]

s14 +1
mk3 supras are nice, but ehh just a old car.
you are on a S chassis website tho lol so choose wisely

[fliprayzin240sx]

Umm, if you hate the S13 interior...i would highly doubt you would like an 87 MKIII Supras interior. To me, they both have the same tacky feel to them. Maybe if it was the last set of MKIIIs, I liked 91-92, they got better interior than the late 80s.

[Koopa Troopa]

no power?

wtf are you on? have you never driven a turbo one? they boogie pretty good IMO.

the 7MGTE is actually a pretty good engine, and I say that having worked at toyota, and having worked on a couple. although, i didn't really do anything major to them while they were in.....so i dunno if that even counts. lol

I say get the Supra. I had a choice between one and my s13 and I chose my s13. I think it was a mistake 5 years later.

Too bad he stated he wasn't buying the turbo model.

[projectRDM]

The last year, 1992, were really nice, updated taillights, a few newer trim pieces, and (for it's time) a great sounding stereo. I wouldn't mind having one as a DD and just clear the front lights, paint the mouldings to match, and lower it. I like the idea of not being the taxi cab for once.

[LA_phantom_240]

Umm, if you hate the S13 interior...i would highly doubt you would like an 87 MKIII Supras interior. To me, they both have the same tacky feel to them. Maybe if it was the last set of MKIIIs, I liked 91-92, they got better interior than the late 80s.

I hate s13 interiors cause they just have a barebones feel to them, and the seats are like torture devices. It just feels cheap.

[Mangudai]

Indeed. I love the old Supras but they have that late 80s interior where everything is weird. Replacement parts are harder to find, aftermarket isn't as big, and the car is heavy as hell. If it's strictly a DD and you plan to just maybe throw wheels on it, cool, but you're going to spend even more if you start toying with it than any 240.

He pretty much summed up on why I didn't get one. I was considering getting one before I purchased a S14.

[LA_phantom_240]

He pretty much summed up on why I didn't get one. I was considering getting one before I purchased a S14.

S14 parts are hard to find as well. S13 shit is a dime a dozen.

[SleepR 240sx]

For a DD, I would go with the supra so long as you can ensure that it is reliable. If you know your s14 is reliable and probably won't give you any major headaches stick with it. The supra is an unknown, and just as with 240's some things on the car will have issues simply due to the age of the car. I love the MKIII's, really want one myself. They're definitely more comfortable IMO.

[racepar1]

I would rock a ma70 supra! ONLY if it had a 1jz in it though. I actually wanna build one for thrack because I have never seen one built like that before.

[Mangudai]

S14 parts are hard to find as well. S13 shit is a dime a dozen.


I should have been more specific, I meant the weight. And actually, I have no problem finding S14 parts.

[LA_phantom_240]

That's it, I'm getting rid of this motherfucking AIDS ridden s14. I swear this thing was built on a friday at 4:20.

I washed and waxed it today cause it was looking kinda grimy and took it out for a short drive to dry the car, and she ran fantastic. Parked in the driveway and a few minutes later got a call from the guy I was getting a MAF from. I start the car to get it out of the driveway in case my parents need to get out, and the oil light is on. I say fuck it and park it in front of the house, and ride with my friend to get the MAF. I come back about 4 hours later after trying to help my friend hook up his AFC NEO, which he gave up on cause its dark, and start the car, and its still got the light on. No dents in my pan, plenty of oil, though its a few miles away from being due for a change... but that's it. Nothing I can think of could have just 'gone out' between the time I shut the car off, and the time I started it back up.

Fucking KAs.

I'm changing the oil tomorrow, and I'll see if the light goes out. If not, I gotta pull the sensor and hook up a gauge to see if the switch is lieing to me, or if my shit is shot. Motor only has 83k miles and runs like a top, mechanically speaking.

This thing is as good as gone.

[abstrakt]

http://i35.tinypic.com/15nsr3r.jpg

Supra ftw

[Mangudai]

That's it, I'm getting rid of this motherfucking AIDS ridden s14. I swear this thing was built on a friday at 4:20.

I washed and waxed it today cause it was looking kinda grimy and took it out for a short drive to dry the car, and she ran fantastic. Parked in the driveway and a few minutes later got a call from the guy I was getting a MAF from. I start the car to get it out of the driveway in case my parents need to get out, and the oil light is on. I say fuck it and park it in front of the house, and ride with my friend to get the MAF. I come back about 4 hours later after trying to help my friend hook up his AFC NEO, which he gave up on cause its dark, and start the car, and its still got the light on. No dents in my pan, plenty of oil, though its a few miles away from being due for a change... but that's it. Nothing I can think of could have just 'gone out' between the time I shut the car off, and the time I started it back up.

Fucking KAs.

I'm changing the oil tomorrow, and I'll see if the light goes out. If not, I gotta pull the sensor and hook up a gauge to see if the switch is lieing to me, or if my shit is shot. Motor only has 83k miles and runs like a top, mechanically speaking.

This thing is as good as gone.

Atleast you know how to do all that stuff. Doing something basic takes me forever because im learning in the process

[LA_phantom_240]

Atleast you know how to do all that stuff. Doing something basic takes me forever because im learning in the process

I don't know how to hook up an AFC. That's why it has a manual.

And we all start somewhere ;)

[Wreckless]

While I owned an S13 fastback with JIC's and some other sick goodies for awhile, I started off as and always will be a Toyota guy. I've worked on MK3 & MK4 Supras for years and have probably had 20+ MK3's between cars I've fixed up & sold and others I've parted out. I've got a lot of love for both vehicles, truly I do. I know I'll own another S13 someday and I've been kicking myself since I sold mine. Anyway..

It takes a lot more money to do up a Supra right, MK3 and MK4 alike. I was awestruck by how available and inexpensive awesome S13 parts were compared to the Supra aftermarket I'm used to. The MK3's highway cruise-ability is basically unmatched. Even my new daily driver UCF10 LS400 isn't as good, while its certainly cushy it doesn't feel quite as planted and straightline as the MK3 Supras do. The S13 on JIC's felt like a go-kart in comparison, which was of course both a good and a bad thing especially with my 50 minute commute every morning.

The weight is a big factor in the MK3s, but its surprisingly easy to get a decent amount of weight out of those cars. For instance, I dropped out a little over 60lbs by merely removing that stock 8 way power adjustable driver seat and replacing it with a Sparco Evo and the appropriate mounting hardware. The non power passenger side nets about a 20lb loss when similarly swapped. As for making it feel more like a proper sports car, going with proper coilovers right away gets a MK3 a lot closer to how an S13 feels especially when matched with proper wheels & tires. Its also been my experience that while much stiffer it didn't lessen my enjoyment of driving one on the highway for long distances.

The main thing is that the MK3 Supra aftermarket, while decent, isn't nearly as widespread, diverse, or affordable as the S chassis cars.
That being said the 1JZ-GTE and 2JZ-GTE swaps have become really common and popular, its a much more elaborate wiring ordeal than S chassis swaps. I sorted out the wiring for a local buddy's RB25DET swap and I was shocked at how simple the wiring was to change over. 1JZ's are much easier since you can get a 1JZ that was in a JZA70 in Japan and it all drops right in, a 2JZ-GTE is much more elaborate since you'll need a lot of JZA70 1JZ parts to drop one in even if you start with a MK4 Supra 2JZ-GTE. If you use a front-sump Aristo motor like the vast majority of the JDM 2JZs are, you'll also need to swap over the upper and lower oil pans and the sump pickup and those are pretty spendy parts to get from Toyota.

If you stay 7M, don't bother turboing the 7M-GE, just get a cheap 7M-GTE. With all the people doing swaps you can get a clean JDM 7M-GTE for around $1000 and buy all the additional parts you need on places like Supramania.com and Supraforums.com for dirt cheap. 7M-GTE's with basic intake & exhaust work typically make around 250-270whp at 13-14psi on an otherwise stock setup.

All in all I think a MK3 is a pretty damn nice car to own & drive, the community is awesome as well, but while I think they are much more comfortable and have a cool factor all their own, ultimately the aftermarket is more expensive and a MK3 is just not as inexpensive to build nor as nimble as an equivalently massaged S chassis car no matter what you do. You'd have to decide for yourself which was more important.

If you have a longer commute and don't really want to build up an insane car, get that MK3 and replace the 7M-GE's headgasket, get some Megans and wheels & tires and call it a day until you decide whether or not to go 1JZ-GTE - which I would recommend over the 7M-GTE.
If ultimately you'd prefer something to track and enjoy lighter weight and cheaper replacement parts and get a lot more out of each buildup dollar, go with an S chassis.

[irax]

only MKIII i would own would be this one


http://members.aol.com/AkiraNeo/eribuni1.jpg
http://members.aol.com/AkiraNeo/eribuni2.jpg


OR you could do a supra conversion....... to a supra????

http://members.aol.com/AkiraNeo/huh.jpg
http://members.aol.com/AkiraNeo/mkivfront.jpg

[junn]

dude mk3 are koo....but their freakin boatsssss...and consider their weight....like 4k....your better off getting a s13 or keep your s14...unless youll throw a 2j the the mk3 then that would make up for the weight

[projectRDM]

only MKIII i would own would be this one


http://members.aol.com/AkiraNeo/eribuni1.jpg
http://members.aol.com/AkiraNeo/eribuni2.jpg




Holy shit, I just peed, it's 1987 all over again. That shit is retarded in the coolest way possible. Slap that same bodykit on a Mazda B2200 and I'm back in high school.

[Icy13]

only prob I would see is that a Mk3 weighs more, is older, and is less powerful than the mk4 supra. I know that is not the choice being considered, but if you get the mk3 some small part of anyone who knows what it is will be saying "so that's the older, slower supra right?"

I am not saying it is a bad car. But it just seems to me that there is no point to getting a dd that is heavier, slower, less attractive (IMO but also general opinion) and more difficult to get worked on/ get parts (see: old).

Plus I happen to see the mk3 as a pretty generic 80's car where as the s14 240 is fairly unique. Especially with the kouki front (i dont know which you said you have, but if you have the cash, drop it on a kouki front for a cleaner ride :) )

[LA_phantom_240]

dude mk3 are koo....but their freakin boatsssss...and consider their weight....like 4k....your better off getting a s13 or keep your s14...unless youll throw a 2j the the mk3 then that would make up for the weight

That shit's fuckin clown shoes. Not everyone street races. Not everyone gives a rat's ass about drifting. Not everyone feels the need to spend tons of cash on a car with the same power to weight ratio as a crotch rocket. I personally don't need a scud missile as a daily driver. If I get the Supra its just to get a change of pace. Not like I would leave the 240 game for good, I'm just tired of the S-Chassis right now cause I don't have the time or money to make it how I want it.

Fuck this S14 though. Shit, I would gladly trade this fuckin thing for a clean EF civic sedan right now, that's how much I hate this car at the moment.

only prob I would see is that a Mk3 weighs more, is older, and is less powerful than the mk4 supra. I know that is not the choice being considered, but if you get the mk3 some small part of anyone who knows what it is will be saying "so that's the older, slower supra right?"

I am not saying it is a bad car. But it just seems to me that there is no point to getting a dd that is heavier, slower, less attractive (IMO but also general opinion) and more difficult to get worked on/ get parts (see: old).

Plus I happen to see the mk3 as a pretty generic 80's car where as the s14 240 is fairly unique. Especially with the kouki front (i dont know which you said you have, but if you have the cash, drop it on a kouki front for a cleaner ride :) )

I personally like the MKIII supra style better than my Zenki S14. Yes the MKIII weighs more and is less powerful than an MKIV... then again, I'm 20 years old and MKIV's in good shape are easily $10k, which is about $7k out of my price range at the moment. I can work on my own car, and parts aren't THAT hard to find.

[irax]

Holy shit, I just peed, it's 1987 all over again. That shit is retarded in the coolest way possible. Slap that same bodykit on a Mazda B2200 and I'm back in high school.

Pics or LIES!

[abstrakt]

Fuck this S14 though. Shit, I would gladly trade this fuckin thing for a clean EF civic sedan right now, that's how much I hate this car at the moment.





Orly?

Ive got a real nice 96 Civic sedan..I need an S14.

[Koopa Troopa]

Fuck this S14 though. Shit, I would gladly trade this fuckin thing for a clean EF civic hatch with a K20 right now, that's how much I hate this car at the moment.




Another one sees the light :2f2f:

[LA_phantom_240]

Orly?

Ive got a real nice 96 Civic sedan..I need an S14.

You don't want this. Its a real Mona Lisa, looks good from afar but once you get close to it you realize its gonna give you AIDS. When the title is in your name, its like Christine... the car gets fucking jealous like a sonofabitch.

[FlyingAngle]

I love mkIII's they are great cars, I had two before I got my s14 and I'm definitely going to get another one in the next few years. I'm not a huge fan of the pre 89's though. This is a 90 that I had before I was introduced to the s chassis world and proper wheel fitment.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v195/imnotcreative72/P7250282.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v195/imnotcreative72/P7250259.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v195/imnotcreative72/P7250263.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v195/imnotcreative72/P7250275.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v195/imnotcreative72/P7250271.jpg

[Landers]

ewwwww at the interior....to each his own i guess.

[irax]

ewwwww at the interior....to each his own i guess.

WTF? Don't you know burgundy interior IS BALLER in the 80's!

Like Tan/Brown is baller in the 90's, and now it's stained wood grain.

[AWSneer]

I had a Buick Regal that had burgundy interior. haha

[intel]

mk3s are great, but in regards to your question, an mk3 with bhg is reallllllllllly bad. also id say just buy a clean shell and run with it. it really depends on which car you feel more comfy driving, as a DD i definitely like the captain of the boatship feel provided by the mk3

[Taniguchi_Is_#1]

i've only seen one mkIII that i liked. but that was because it was 1jz and had a t04z hooked up to it. rad. but yeah,

NA = no.
7m = no = bhg = lolz.

before i bought my s13, my dad wanted me to get an NA mkIII supra. but after i drove it, it really turned me off because it had no power, was heavier than an M1 abrams and even it's 60 feet long, it barely fits 2 people. so it's meh at best.

[JohnJohn86]

well, at least get a Turbo one. They are not that much more expensive. I got mine 2 years ago for like $2800 with mods

[LA_phantom_240]

mk3s are great, but in regards to your question, an mk3 with bhg is reallllllllllly bad. also id say just buy a clean shell and run with it. it really depends on which car you feel more comfy driving, as a DD i definitely like the captain of the boatship feel provided by the mk3

Head gasket isn't blown, but a spark plug is stuck in the head, so I would change it while I'm doing the plug.

[sr20alex]

ever thought about going for a sc300?

[LA_phantom_240]

Yeah... But most have gaymatic transmissions.

[Fonix36]

s13 saves money or a smart car

[Mangudai]

Word sc300's are a good look.

[aNskY]

I am a former MK3 owner. Not gonna lie, I miss it. It was my first rwd car, my first 5 speed car, so i am sort of attached to them. They are great cars! I still post regularly on supraforums, and i sold the car over 5 years ago :)

[LA_phantom_240]

s13 saves money or a smart car

Fuck a goddamn S13. I've had too many.

[Fonix36]

Then what about a smart car those drive better then s14 and mk3

[LA_phantom_240]

Then what about a smart car those drive better then s14 and mk3

Way out of my price range.

[HyperTek]

ever consider the rivals? Z31 or FC?

Z31s can be nice too..

http://carview-img02.bmcdn.jp/carlife/images/usercar/265153/p1.jpg
http://carview-img02.bmcdn.jp/carlife/images/UserCarPhoto/1077973/p1.jpg
http://carview-img02.bmcdn.jp/carlife/images/UserCarPhoto/1027375/p1.jpg
http://carview-img02.bmcdn.jp/carlife/images/UserCarPhoto/1027375/p2.jpg
http://carview-img02.bmcdn.jp/carlife/images/UserCarPhoto/1027375/p3.jpg
http://carview-img02.bmcdn.jp/carlife/images/usercar/165511/p1.jpg
http://carview-img02.bmcdn.jp/carlife/images/usercar/125606/p1.jpg
http://carview-img02.bmcdn.jp/carlife/images/usercar/88990/p1.jpg
http://carview-img02.bmcdn.jp/carlife/images/usercar/84989/p1.jpg
they got some racing history behind em
http://www.racingsportscars.com/WatermarkedImageHandler.ashx?dir=etcc/1988&img=Silverstone-1988-09-04-016.jpg
http://www.racingsportscars.com/WatermarkedImageHandler.ashx?dir=etcc/1988&img=Zolder-1988-08-21-028.jpg
http://www.racingsportscars.com/WatermarkedImageHandler.ashx?dir=etcc/1988&img=Dijon-1988-05-29-016.jpg

[HyperTek]

Translated version of http://minkara.carview.co.jp/car/42/member/1/0/19/ (http://209.85.171.104/translate_c?hl=en&sl=ja&tl=en&u=http://minkara.carview.co.jp/car/42/member/1/0/19/&usg=ALkJrhhSNlCgdVKrd08WBDHoCnYt3c892w)

http://www.racingsportscars.com/WatermarkedImageHandler.ashx?dir=etcc/1989&img=Spa-1989-07-23-036.jpg&txt=&wi=
http://www.racingsportscars.com/WatermarkedImageHandler.ashx?dir=etcc/1989&img=Spa-1989-07-23-037.jpg&txt=&wi=
http://www.racingsportscars.com/WatermarkedImageHandler.ashx?dir=etcc/1990&img=Spa-1990-07-22-037.jpg&txt=&wi=
they got some touring car racing history behind them, which is pretty cool from a collectors point of view

I think Shineauto has some aero kits for them you could scoop up.. lower it, put some flush wheels and your set =p

[LA_phantom_240]

I can't seem to find a clean Z31 around here. I may possibly be able to trade my s14 for an FC Turbo-II.... Tee hee hee...

[sr20alex]

sc300 just take time to find, i found a black on black 5spd with tein coils for 5.5k clean as eff came with headers also :hsdance:

[LA_phantom_240]

sc300 just take time to find, i found a black on black 5spd with tein coils for 5.5k clean as eff came with headers also :hsdance:

Oooooooh that's sex.