Zilvian Mountain Bikers? so-cal?

[stinky_180]

hey what up peeps! i was wondering if there are any locals around here that like to mountain bike. i've started mountain biking about 3 months ago and absolutely love it! the thing that sucks is that i only have one other friend that has a decent mountain bike, but he isn't available all that often. i dont mind riding by myself but it just makes me feel safer with more people around.

so is there anybody that is down to go mountain biking on the weekends? 7am or afternoon times? i have a car rack that fits my s14, so we can carpool depending on where your located and/or where we will be riding. i dont mind meeting up at trailheads either. i dont know, imjust looking for somebody to mountain bike with. :aw:

heres me in my 03 giant boulderSE in snow summit
http://i243.photobucket.com/albums/ff319/stinky180/MTB/Snow%20Summit/IMG_2045.jpg

[Vatche]

this might be an old thread but worth bumping.

i go mountain biking every sunday usually around 8-10am, i have a group of about 4-5 people who come and go, but me and one friend usually go every weekend. 4-5 of us have 240's. we have hit up other trails too but i personally prefer fullerton.

[handinpants]

I got a trek y full suspension, and I need to get out and ride pm me, where you located

[Vatche]

i live in escondido, but i drive to orange county on the weekends. i mostly ride at fullerton loop on sunday mornings. but once in awhile we change it up.

[stinky_180]

oh wow, its been awhile since i've seen this thread! looks like we have some mtb'ers on zilvia! i ride a '05 giant reign 3

http://i243.photobucket.com/albums/ff319/stinky180/MTB/stinkysreign.jpg

what do you guys ride? i usually ride in orange county after work, 6pm+ night or day! what type of terrain you guys ride, XC, AM, FR, DH? it would be great to ride with a bunch of 240 guys...

sr20detman, what time do you usually go to fully loop on sundays

and for some entertainment check out my two videos on vimeo

stinky180 on Vimeo (http://www.vimeo.com/stinky180/)

[allmotorking]

I normally ride at turnbull and aliso woods; haven't ridden in a month so the next time up is going to kick my ass. hehe.

I'm hoping to have my new bike shortly so may try to hit whiting ranch soon but heard that it's still super sandy over there.

[stinky_180]

I normally ride at turnbull and aliso woods; haven't ridden in a month so the next time up is going to kick my ass. hehe.

I'm hoping to have my new bike shortly so may try to hit whiting ranch soon but heard that it's still super sandy over there.

think of the sand as a way to improve your cadance and weight balance. whiting is a great place, i usually go every wednesday. im close by so if you ride whiting, let me know via pm.

[Vatche]

the sand at whiting is just an extra workout. i liked the sand though, it got me comfortable with it.

i ride fullerton loop on sundays 8-10am we start. in the summer i prefer to go earlier but its hard after a long weekend of drinking and staying up late haha. but yeah.
heres my 2004 Giant VT-2
http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i220/o0jh/VT-2a.jpg
http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i220/o0jh/n1173031633_30354984_3896.jpg
and i always post this pic of john :)
http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i220/o0jh/0525081118-1.jpg

[allmotorking]

i'll give you a heads up next time i ride. I work up in santa fe springs so afterwork ride will probably be at turnbull. might ride weekends at aliso or whiting.

I rode fullerton loop once and wasn't a big fan of all the street crossings. may need to go w/ you guys to seek out the good spots over there.

[stinky_180]

turnbull is so fun!! i haven't hit 'a-line' there yet but i plan to soon. if your here in orange county in the weekends, PM ME! im always down to ride. i'll show youthe local trail systems the orange county has to offer

anyways.... anybody participating in the mid week mountain bike race this wednesday at irvine lake? Over the Hump Mountain Bike Race Series- Orange County’s only midweek Mountain Bike Race! (http://overthehumpseries.com/) . this will be my first mountain bike race and am very excited! wish me luck! let me know if any of you are racing as well. even though its a cross country race, im bringing my 6inchs travel all mountain bike! and no, im not wearing tights or shaving my legs!!!!

spectators are free by the way ^.^

[cxlo8331]

i really need to start riding again.

[stinky_180]

^if you go out riding on the weekend, pm me! always down (unless im working on the s13)

[stinky_180]

Bumping an old thread :)

Didn't realize there were more mountain bikers on here. We all need to get a zilvia ride in! Sunday fully loop anyone?

Video of myself descending Meadows at Aliso Woods and Canyon Park
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http://vimeo.com/stinky180 ; for more of my videos

Racing in the Over The Hump series
https://fbcdn-sphotos-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-snc1/6420_275626000536_679680536_8516460_5515350_n.jpg

ride hard! PM me if you want to get a ride in on the weekend

[live2c2morrow]

I wouldnt mind getting into this. Just need a good bike. Im just rocking a Walmart Mongoose MT bike. LOL!

[stinky_180]

Ride the Walmart Mongoose until you blow it up! My first ever 'mountain bike' was a kids 24" piece of shit from Target. It taught me the basic skills of mountain biking. Then it headset blew up on me :)

[live2c2morrow]

Then I shall ride it till is falls apart.

[Vatche]

my brother had bought a mongoose from walmart and the front shock blew after like a month.

useless.

but my friend who rides with me bought a decent mongoose from performance and it was a really nice bike, but thats the difference between $100 and $1200.

anyway im down to ride this sunday. im relying on you stinky to teach me what im doing wrong. ahaha

[DP-AE86]

DAMMIT! i would have been down if i didnt JUST sell my last mountain bike 2 weeks ago...
it was just sitting and corroding.
I have one more mountain bike but its too big for me...

[live2c2morrow]

Where does everyone ride at?

[tacotacotaco]

Most of us ride around orange county. Im back in Oceanside so im looking for trails around there. We should have a lets go MTN biking meet!

[stinky_180]

anyway im down to ride this sunday. im relying on you stinky to teach me what im doing wrong. ahaha

oh for sures! Im down to run a noob mountain biking clinic for zilvia

DAMMIT! i would have been down if i didnt JUST sell my last mountain bike 2 weeks ago...
it was just sitting and corroding.
I have one more mountain bike but its too big for me...

BOOOOO! What bike did you sell? Ride the bigger bike anyways :)

Where does everyone ride at?

I'm from OC so I usually ride around here.

Most of us ride around orange county. Im back in Oceanside so im looking for trails around there. We should have a lets go MTN biking meet!

Totally down for a 'lets go MTN biking meet'! Again, I can teach very basic mountain bike skills and bike setup. How about sunday late morning at fullerton loop?

[stinky_180]

Follow these links for anything mountain bike related for Southern California

Trailhead map created by and for mountain bikers
SoCal Trailheads - Google Maps (http://maps.google.com/maps/ms?ie=UTF8&hl=en&msa=0&msid=115891732311631040089.00044ec6fa6696dccbd2c&ll=32.955673,-116.884918&spn=0.656819,1.260681&z=10)

In-depth descriptions of many riding areas in SoCal
MountainBikeBill's Mountain biking Trail Reviews, Videos and Pictures (http://www.mountainbikebill.com/)

SoCal Trail Riders forum
SoCalTrailRiders - Southern California Mountain Bike Community (http://www.socaltrailriders.org/)

Many gps routes
Geoladders -- Mountain Biking Routes (http://www.geoladders.com)

[Vatche]

ive already spoken to a few buddies, im going sunday. lets decide on a time. i was thinking 9am?

[whats_a_sr20]

this sounds hell of fun never been mountain biking tho and dont have one :/

[stinky_180]

9am works for me (better not drink too much on saturday ;p)

mountain biking is real fun! great excercise, enjoy the outdoors, feel the adrenaline! you'll need a good working mountain bike to ride.

[live2c2morrow]

9am works for me (better not drink too much on saturday ;p)

mountain biking is real fun! great excercise, enjoy the outdoors, feel the adrenaline! you'll need a good working mountain bike to ride.

Please define "a good working mountain bike"....

[stinky_180]

Atleast a front suspension
working front and rear brakes
working front and rear shifters and derailleurs
wheelset is true and spokes tighten
pedals properly tighten along with all hardware
and at least 1.5" wide tires

you CAN take a road bike (CX specific) on the mountain but you risk damaging your bike.

older full rigid mountain bikes work as well, just make sure the above is working properly.

[live2c2morrow]

Looks like i have some maintenance to do then. LOL. Thanks for the info.

[stinky_180]

No problem! Follow these links for DIY repair and tune-up

Park Tool Co. » ParkTool Blog (http://www.parktool.com/blog/repair-help)

Sheldon Brown-Bicycle Technical Information (http://www.sheldonbrown.com)

[Vatche]

you so helpful stinky_180

ok so i woke up feelin like shit today. so i pussied out and didnt go. but i do wanna start going so lets get this ball rollin. im still thinking fullerton loop sunday 930am.

if you guys wanna plan somewhere elsethats fine too, but most likely ill stick to fully loop for now.

oh and i finally resized the pics i put up in this thread, sorry bout that

[jesse_s13]

:yum:i ride bmx, but my friend invited me mtb once it was so fun. Theres a trail called 007 by basslake. It had a sweet rock wallride

[Mikey McFly]

Anyone ever tried Anderson's Truck Trail out in Alpine? It's a pretty sweet ride. Only hit it once and want to try it again. Anyone familiar with it?

By the way, here's my rig. Decided to do some fun and safe urban assaulting in downtown. =P *locked up while I went to grab a water refill.*
08' Giant Glory1
http://a3.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc6/196147_176540335725711_100001092382029_408664_8338 246_n.jpg

[Mikey McFly]

I make my 240 work, haha.
http://a7.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc6/190757_176539912392420_100001092382029_408645_3762 298_n.jpg

[Vatche]

i loved my bike rack but it was damaging my car just a tad, and my bike fits in the car just fine.

[keistyle]

I'm going mountain biking a lot lot. I really like sycamore canyon and marshall canyon.

[DreamN]

Recently bought a '90 Schwinn High Plains. It's a rigid mountain bike that I got for $20 and simply bought new brakes (upgraded to v-brakes), brake levers, shifters, tires, grips, and a seat.

I want to get into riding some trails, but don't know many around my area. Plus haven't had much time.

[keistyle]

Recently bought a '90 Schwinn High Plains. It's a rigid mountain bike that I got for $20 and simply bought new brakes (upgraded to v-brakes), brake levers, shifters, tires, grips, and a seat.

I want to get into riding some trails, but don't know many around my area. Plus haven't had much time.
There are places to bike everywhere. From chino to big bear. Fontana to Turnbull canyon.

Good deal on that bike man. Can't beat 20 dollars.

I have a Giant Team DH bike. It's fun, but it's a bitch to climb

I hope more people see this so we can organize a ride.

[MWH_Photo]

^^

What type of ride and where were you thinking?

I don't know many people on here but if we do something out at sycamore canyon my fiance and I would more than likely be game.

There are a lot of beginner friendly areas out there, if anyone is just getting into it..

Nothing sucks more than going out and trying to keep a crazy fast pace with everyone else when your just starting..

We havent been riding in a few months tho, but if anything comes up feel free to pm me. We need to get back on the MTB's again.

[MWH_Photo]

Forgot about the photos..

Fiance's:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v468/ghaleon109/TitusBikes-5.jpg

And mine:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v468/ghaleon109/ElGuapo1.jpg

[tac 1]

My gf and i have been wanting to ride just didnt know where and never had time for it.

[stinky_180]

Sweet rides zilvians! I'm so down to organize a MTB ride for zilvia, lets figure this out!

I'm going for a ride today after work in Bommer Canyon out on the coast of Orange County.

I think a Snow Summit zilvia group ride would be totally bad ass!! WHOS DOWN????!?

[[email protected]]

http://driftheaven.justdrift.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/05/IMG01466-20110510-1832.jpg
http://driftheaven.justdrift.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/06/IMG01609-20110619-1149.jpg

woah.. i dunno how to resize, but it's shred time...

[MWH_Photo]

F*** I want a DH bike..

[heavenboundkevin]

Anyone ever tried Anderson's Truck Trail out in Alpine? It's a pretty sweet ride. Only hit it once and want to try it again. Anyone familiar with it?
]

1st rule of fight club....

if you want a crazy trail, have you heard of a place with the initials TW?

[keistyle]

Okay, so clearly there are too many people that mtb for this not to happen. In all honesty i'm down for anything.
Someone set a date (busy this weekend though) and a time and ill be there. As soon as next weekend!

[keistyle]

Here's mine. It's nothing special.
I picked it up for a cool $170. Frame looked new when i got it, so did everything. Hope brakes and rear hub...and some other crap
2000 Giant team DH
http://i763.photobucket.com/albums/xx280/AdmiralAwesomeFOUR/mtb.jpg

[Vatche]

ok guys, we are hitting up the begineeer trail fullerton loop sunday morning at 9am. if you plan on coming show up before than because we will start the trail soon after 9am.

we are not sure how big the group will be yet but currently we have 3 240 owners going and 6 others have been invited.

meet at the courthouse in fullerton of berkely

[Mikey McFly]

Nice! Its a little bit of a drive from SD but looks like a good trail. I hope the uphills aren't too rough. Pumping a DH bike uphill can wear a kid out! Lol.

In case anyone wanted some info on the trail...
http://www.singletracks.com/bike-trails/fullerton-loop.html

[[email protected]]

Nice! Its a little bit of a drive from SD but looks like a good trail. I hope the uphills aren't too rough. Pumping a DH bike uphill can wear a kid out! Lol.

In case anyone wanted some info on the trail...
Fullerton Loop Mountain Bike Trail in Fullerton, California || SINGLETRACKS.COM (http://www.singletracks.com/bike-trails/fullerton-loop.html)

there's a lot of good dh trails there in SD area, south OC, Temecula etc etc... door to door, no pedal all gravity. i'm off the bike for couple of weeks, ate shit yesterday and asb is next week. have to heal up so i can drive.

[MWH_Photo]

Here's mine. It's nothing special.
I picked it up for a cool $170. Frame looked new when i got it, so did everything. Hope brakes and rear hub...and some other crap
2000 Giant team DH

+1 for Hope rear hubs.. I think it's the one component I like most on my bike haha..

I want to build another wheelset on some King's.. but the hubs alone cost about the same price as my entire wheelset now

Fullerton loop would be perfect.. but my Fiance is working Sunday morning :-/ Maybe I'll be able to catch the next ride.

[BlackZenkiS14]

I ride bikes :D

http://lp1.pinkbike.org/p4pb5313935/p4pb5313935.jpg

http://lp1.pinkbike.org/p4pb6133771/p4pb6133771.jpg

http://lp1.pinkbike.org/p4pb5366633/p4pb5366633.jpg

[Mikey McFly]

+1 for Hope rear hubs.. I think it's the one component I like most on my bike haha..

I want to build another wheelset on some King's.. but the hubs alone cost about the same price as my entire wheelset now

Fullerton loop would be perfect.. but my Fiance is working Sunday morning :-/ Maybe I'll be able to catch the next ride.

So you don't have a ride out there or you were hoping to ride out with her?

[stinky_180]

All of you have sweet ass rides!!! I'll be going to the Fully Loop this Sunday as well. Lets ride zilvians!!!

'TW' sssshhhh be quiet!!! ;p

Anyone a part of Gravity Pirates?

[stinky_180]

Fullerton Loop trail information:
Geoladders -- Fullerton Loop (http://www.geoladders.com/show_route.php?from_top=1&route_id=190)

[tacotacotaco]

Ill be out this sunday at fullerton!

[stinky_180]

http://driftheaven.justdrift.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/06/IMG01609-20110619-1149.jpg


I spy a fellow pirate

[Mikey McFly]

1st rule of fight club....

if you want a crazy trail, have you heard of a place with the initials TW?

Haha, I know I know. Anderson's isn't much of a secret though.
"TW" doesn't seem too familiar, but then again, I'm still fresh to SoCal's trails. *coming from the east coast*
It would be cool to know of more trails out here. Especially, trails that don't discriminate against Downhill bikes. What's the deal with Big Bear putting regs on the type of bike you can ride?

Lame. :rant:

Bombing down ski resorts is so much fun.

[keistyle]

Yeah, i hate big bear for doing that. I guess some people died on a dh bike... so, i'm just blaming them.

Haha, I know I know. Anderson's isn't much of a secret though.
"TW" doesn't seem too familiar, but then again, I'm still fresh to SoCal's trails. *coming from the east coast*
It would be cool to know of more trails out here. Especially, trails that don't discriminate against Downhill bikes. What's the deal with Big Bear putting regs on the type of bike you can ride?

Lame. :rant:

Bombing down ski resorts is so much fun.

[keistyle]

who's down to ride within the hour?
@ marshall canyon?

[tacotacotaco]

Are you guys down to do a contact list so we have a chance to better coordinate. If you are send pm me your contact info with your city and name and ill compile it and send it back out to everyone that sent info in.

[Vatche]

john, we could just make a facebook page group thingy for this.

[MWH_Photo]

I actually might be selling my bike -_-

Puppy we just got has parvo.. and the vet bill is $$$ So if anyone is looking for a 6" trail bike let me know..

28lbs total, Titus El Guappo frame, XT/X.9 drivetrain, Fox 36 Talas R fork, custom built the wheels.. Mavic 819's laced with DT Swiss supercomp spokes on Hope Pro II hubs..

[Mikey McFly]

Yeah, i hate big bear for doing that. I guess some people died on a dh bike... so, i'm just blaming them.


Nah, people were complaining that the "Downhill'ers" were tearing up the trails and something about Dh'ers disrespecting other riders. *shrugs*

I dunno. Just people being babies.

[Mikey McFly]

So, I'll be leaving at 7am. Just trying to give myself some room to make it there in time. Anyway could I get a contact info of somebody else that is going? I don't want to drive like an hour and a half or 2, be a couple minutes late, and get to an empty courthouse, you know?

[stinky_180]

Meet at 9, ride by 930; Sent you a PM Mikey

[Mikey McFly]

Sweet deal. I'll see you guys there.

[Vatche]

good ride guys! it was just 4 of us, but we did see a white s14 with a bike rack on the trunk over his kouki wing.

we will start planning next trail ride

[Mikey McFly]

Definitely need to plan another ride. I woke up feeling like crap and had to bail.

[keistyle]

Count me in for the next one too. I forgot how funny it was to do athletic things with girls, they suck so bad. I was laughing the entire time hahahaha

[stinky_180]

Awww, I thought that sweet white Kouki S14 with JDM aero was yours Mikey!! There will be a next time!

I SHOULD be free next Sunday for another ride. Maybe we can ride Turnbull Canyon for you LA folks?

GPS track/log of today's ride:
Fullerton Loop | Mountain biking Workout | Endomondo (http://www.endomondo.com/workouts/p-QSyU7XxyU)

[NEdriftah]

Sup guys? Im in the Torrance area and am always looking for new trails to shred. Usually ride the trails in Palos Verdes (Del Cerro Park?) because they are real close.

[karl wasabi]

Cool, I just got a mountain bike a couple weeks ago cause I want to get back in shape. Just saw this thread; awesome! Here's my bike, it's a GT Avalanche 2.0. I'm down to go riding!

http://a2.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/262145_10150275722973134_590708133_9059569_4183489 _n.jpg

[cxlo8331]

good ride guys! it was just 4 of us, but we did see a white s14 with a bike rack on the trunk over his kouki wing.

we will start planning next trail ride

I'm pretty sure that white kouki was Enrique, Norm's buddy. he's started riding the loop too.

DAMN, I need to get bck into shape. Guess it's time to tune up the sled. I'll try to make it out next time.

[Mikey McFly]

Awww, I thought that sweet white Kouki S14 with JDM aero was yours Mikey!! There will be a next time!

I SHOULD be free next Sunday for another ride. Maybe we can ride Turnbull Canyon for you LA folks?

GPS track/log of today's ride:
Fullerton Loop | Mountain biking Workout | Endomondo (http://www.endomondo.com/workouts/p-QSyU7XxyU)

Nah, I have a gunmetal 240 hatch. I had my rack on and everything ready to go. It just wasn't my day I guess.

[Vatche]

we will be going to whiting ranch from corner 3 garage weds before the irvine meet. we will be leaving corner 3 around 6pm. if anyone can make it pm me so we can keep in contact.

[keistyle]

dang it, well, i'm only free on weekends and friday evenings

[Mikey McFly]

I'll just stick to the weekends. I can't be making Irvine drives during the week. =P

[stinky_180]

If my wrist feels better, i'll ride with ya'll tomorrow.

[Mikey McFly]

So what's up with our next ride? I'm looking forward to doing something this Sunday coming up. Can't decide what trail to do though.
Or just do the loop again until we get a legit group and then start exploring around SoCal. *shrugs*

Too bad Mammoth Mountain is crazy far. We'd have a blast tearing that thing up. Has anyone hit it up?

[karl wasabi]

I need some new tires. What's everyone running? I was on some Kenda Nevegals, but I'd like to try something different. I know a lot of people are running Panaracer Fire XC tires; thinking about a set of those.

I'm down to go on the next trail ride. I'll probably be really slow though since I'm out of shape. haha.

[Mikey McFly]

I'm running Kenda Blue Grooves on the front and Kenda Nevegals on the back, both with XC tubes, not DH tubes. There's a pretty good noticeable weight difference. =]
I'd like to run the trail they did two weeks ago, if no one is against that. It looked like a pretty sweet chill trail with some single track sections in it. Not sure exactly which route they took but the loop is still a pretty fun trail.

[Mikey McFly]

1st rule of fight club....

if you want a crazy trail, have you heard of a place with the initials TW?

I just saw that you were from SD. And, if by "TW", you mean the "baseball player" out in Poway, then yeah, I've heard of it. Haven't been out there since like 09' tho. We should make that the next trail ride actually. Probably not the best for hardtails tho.

[Vatche]

i blew my front fork trying to fix it last week, so im waiting for my new fork to come in the mail. i bought a marzocchi 44 RLO. hopefully i like it.

[MWH_Photo]

Marz forks typically leak like hell out of the box, but once they're fixed they're good for a number of years.

Also, don't store a Marz fork horizontally.. keep it vertical as much as possible.

If your decent at servicing them, pull it apart when you get it and check to make sure there's the right amount of oil in it.. they're notorious for being short some oil..

If everything works as intended the 44 is a pretty sweet fork, heard a lot of good things about it.


..I just sold my bike and I miss it already =/

[Vatche]

thanks for the info, i have never pulled a fork apart.

and i might pull my old manitou minute apart and try to fix it for fun.

i definitely dont want to pay someone $100 to service. thats money that could go to my car :D

but i will look into checking the amount of oil thanks for the tip.

i just recieved my tracking number it was shipped today so i should get it next week maybe monday or tues.

[MWH_Photo]

No worries, glad I could help. Where did you get it from if you don't mind me asking?

We just had our Marz rep come out and fix quite a bit of forks a few months ago and he said the seals were setup to function and rest in the vertical position. Not sure if he was BS'ing us.. but it makes sense thinking about it.. The way they ship out all of their forks forces them to sit in the vertical position while sitting in stock.

Just don't panic if you do see oil.. it's pretty typical for a Marz fork.

[Vatche]

Road & Dirt Cyclery, Where the Dirt Meets the Pavement (http://roadanddirtcyclery.com/)

is where i got it from. it was super cheap. no tax, no shipping. $207 shipped.

so i am very curious to get it in my hands and make sure its for reals haha.

[Mikey McFly]

When you get your fork, lets test it out at TW! Yea boi!

[karl wasabi]

Going to Marshall Canyon in the morning! I'll be there at around 11am.

[stinky_180]

When you get your fork, lets test it out at TW! Yea boi!

I dont think vatche is ready for ted williams.... lol

[stinky_180]

I need some new tires. What's everyone running? I was on some Kenda Nevegals, but I'd like to try something different. I know a lot of people are running Panaracer Fire XC tires; thinking about a set of those.

I'm down to go on the next trail ride. I'll probably be really slow though since I'm out of shape. haha.

I currently run 2.5 Nevegals front and rear, they're perfect for socal dirt. You can try the steve peat cut on the front for more bite. The panaracer Fire XC pro FROM JAPAN (not china) are really good too. Just make sure you get the higher TPI (japan). Heard good things about Continental Mountain Kings too.

Im so down to ride.... my wrist has been fucked up for a bit now.. im having withdraws!!!

[theicecreamdan]

I've done Anderson's truck trail. Rode/hiked up and then back down, that was a lot of work for a really short ride back down.

Just got a Marin 29er after my walmart 29er got stolen and haven't had time to really test it out yet. I'd join up for a sunday morning ride in San Diego. I want to get into shape and get up to Noble Canyon end of summer.

[stinky_180]

I've done Anderson's truck trail. Rode/hiked up and then back down, that was a lot of work for a really short ride back down.

Just got a Marin 29er after my walmart 29er got stolen and haven't had time to really test it out yet. I'd join up for a sunday morning ride in San Diego. I want to get into shape and get up to Noble Canyon end of summer.

Nice, how do you like the new 29er? What model is it?

I still haven't ridden San Diego yet, anyone down for a north SD ride? I'll be riding again in August..

[MWH_Photo]

I hate to say it.. but schwalbe tires are the best tires I've ever ridden on... the nobby nic's are the most common, but prepare to hand out an arm and a leg..

[Vatche]

im down to hit up the lake hodges trail once i get my fork

[Mikey McFly]

I'd be down for Nobel if someone is really familiar with it. That's mostly a XC type of trail tho, huh? Nothing against XC riders, I just really hate pumping my tank up hills.

I'd like to do TW too, but with someone that's been out there recently and often. I don't want to stage up for a jump and come up short or go out too far.

[Vatche]

i dont know the trails in san diego that well but im up for basic trails.

im assuming xc would be good

[stinky_180]

http://orangecounty.craigslist.org/bik/2481726901.html

Yes, this really happened:
Mugged and Robbed @ Aliso/Woods Canyon - Mountain Bike Review (http://forums.mtbr.com/showthread.php?t=722293)

[karl wasabi]

Post has been deleted. Was that his bike?

[MWH_Photo]

From the MTBR post:

"My bike
07 Small Santa Cruz VP Free in anodized greyish purple
White Fox 40 w/ no decals
sunline direct mount stem
Hopetech M4 Brakes
Saint Cranks
1X9 drivetrain with MRP G2 Chainguide
Mavic 729's laced to hadleys (the rear is an old 108pt engagement)
shaddow XT rear deraileur
sunline V2 pedals
Transition saddle
Thomson seat post"

There is a later post in that thread that he "found or had his bike returned"

Not sure what to make of it..

[theicecreamdan]

Nice, how do you like the new 29er? What model is it?

I still haven't ridden San Diego yet, anyone down for a north SD ride? I'll be riding again in August..

Its their lower end 29er Marin Bolinas ridge, got it at REI during their 15% off sale. I like it a lot, and its a nice step up from the deception 29er I got from walmart. I still haven't even been on a real trail with big wheels yet, but the little bit I've done has impressed me.

Its hard to compare to 26" for me because I was always riding a bike that was too small for me to begin with, so just being a better size makes riding a lot more enjoyable.

[jesse_s13]

Thinking about getting into this. I have bmx background so i think it will be fun =)

Trek 3900 anygood?

[karl wasabi]

Thinking about getting into this. I have bmx background so i think it will be fun =)

Trek 3900 anygood?

It's very fun!

Trek 3900 XC Hardtail Reviews (http://www.mtbr.com/cat/bikes/xc-hardtail/trek/3900/prd_365511_1527crx.aspx)

[jesse_s13]

Sorry I meant the disc one. I rode it at my local bike shop its soo legit.

http://www.evanscycles.com/product_image/image/edf/a74/ae0/40123/product_page/trek-3900-disc-2010-mountain-bike.jpg?1248429063

[stinky_180]

Thinking about getting into this. I have bmx background so i think it will be fun =)

Trek 3900 anygood?

Pretty decent bike. But with a BMX background, I would recommend something with more travel and a slacker head angle. Are you into jumps at all? If your not on a budget, look into all mountain hardtails or even a shorter travel free-ride bike.

Its their lower end 29er Marin Bolinas ridge, got it at REI during their 15% off sale. I like it a lot, and its a nice step up from the deception 29er I got from walmart. I still haven't even been on a real trail with big wheels yet, but the little bit I've done has impressed me.

Its hard to compare to 26" for me because I was always riding a bike that was too small for me to begin with, so just being a better size makes riding a lot more enjoyable.

Seems like the walmart bike was truly a deception ;p

Taller riders will truly benefit from the larger size wheel. I'm 5'3" so there is no way I'll enjoy a 29er. Let us know how it fares on dirt.

[Mikey McFly]

Taller riders will truly benefit from the larger size wheel. I'm 5'3" so there is no way I'll enjoy a 29er. Let us know how it fares on dirt.

Yea, I'm like 5'7 and I still feel off on a 29'r. They're cool as hell tho cuz I feel like I'm rolling over things without effort. It's easy to haul ass on those things too, =P.

[stinky_180]

Anyone in OC/LA/SD down for a night ride this week? I'm thinking about Tomorrow night around 730pm at either Blackstar or The Luge in OC. Let me know if your down and have lights.

[jesse_s13]

Pretty decent bike. But with a BMX background, I would recommend something with more travel and a slacker head angle. Are you into jumps at all? If your not on a budget, look into all mountain hardtails or even a shorter travel free-ride bike.
.
Yeah I ride the ramps and stuff on bmx. But my budget is around $600...
you think this bike would be hard to control in the air? (Rider skill is not a variable)

[BlackZenkiS14]

Yeah I ride the ramps and stuff on bmx. But my budget is around $600...
you think this bike would be hard to control in the air? (Rider skill is not a variable)

Yes. None of the Trek hardtails are designed for Jumping(Save for the Trek Ticket, but its a pro-level DJ/4X frame). I worked for trek for 2 years.

I LOVE Trek bikes, however, if you want to go dirt jumping, buy a dirt jump bike.

If you just want to ride trails, then AT LEAST get a 4300. They have double walled rims, and a fork that can actually handle a little bit of ridding. Still very entry level though.

Otherwise yea, get yourself a short travel freeride bike.

[jesse_s13]

^ Thanks for the info sir. =)

[Mikey McFly]

You can find a downhill bike for $600. Look around on craigslist and stuff. I'm sure it'll be worth it. I've abuse the hell out of my bike and have yet to really true the wheels or have any issues with the frame. It's a pretty solid rig.

But no really... Who wants to hit TW. I'm gonna go look into this Lake Hodges and see what the deal is with that trail.

[Vatche]

lake hodges, is a pretty basic trail like fullerton loop.

i have only been there a few times and its been more than a year since i went, so i dont really know the trail to well. but from what i remember it wasnt too hard to remember either.

if not lake hodges, it was an exit off the 15 freeway right south of valley pkwy . ill have to look it up again, i forget.

[Mikey McFly]

Yeah I ride the ramps and stuff on bmx. But my budget is around $600...
you think this bike would be hard to control in the air? (Rider skill is not a variable)
Haro Y Frame Full Suspension Downhill MX-3 (http://sandiego.craigslist.org/csd/bik/2482870298.html)
http://orangecounty.craigslist.org/bik/2438814614.html

Some pretty straight bikes for cheap.

[Mikey McFly]

It's been a while since I've been to TW so I'm gonna go and scout the trail between 11am and noon. If anyone wants to roll through PM me.
*they show up on my phone as regular email messages.*
Hopefully we can get enough people to come out and learn the trail to where we can get a good bombing group. =]
Anyways, I'll let you guys know how technical it is and the condition of the trail and whatnot.
Hope you LA guys don't let that 405 closing kick your ass tomorrow. =]

[Vatche]

im gonna ride fullerton sunday morning. if anyone wants to go to a beginner ride hit me up

[Touge_Monster]

Rode the RB side of hodges today with flipzide. It was pretty sick

http://i49.photobucket.com/albums/f262/touge_army/hodgesride.jpg

[Mikey McFly]

Is there a lot of climbing over there?

So TW was pretty fun. Just took the "G4" trail and ran into "Insanity" on the way down. There's a lot of fun kickers and gaps to clear. There are some really technical spots that you have to ride the trail a couple of times so you can prepare for them. If not, you'll end up launching off a 6 foot high ledge instead of just going over a hill, haha. I might go again if I get intimidate by the traffic by the traffic and not go to Fullerton.

Hey, Vatche, meeting up at the same time and place tomorrow?

[Vatche]

I want to go ride around at hodges, and see if it was the same trail i remember

i got my bike up and running again, re adjusted the rear deraileur, after breaking the hanger, i guess it got thrown off a bit.

went for a bike ride down the street with my little brother and i got a flat on the rear, i look and there are little goat head thorns, so i walk my bike back home change the tube, and as soon as i finish the front went flat... so then i fixed that and now im out of tubes, i went through 5 in like 2 weeks, and i have been riding this bike for almost 2 years and i never once had a flat. haha

[stinky_180]

I'll be riding this Saturday for the following event:
Irvine Ranch Natural Landmarks (http://www.irlandmarks.org/activities/cancel-registration.aspx?id=3779829F-102C-4C6F-B0B9-9F17AE49A166-56284)

Depending on time, I may go all the way up Blackstar to Beeks place. Any takers?

[azndummie]

Steve from Corner3 garage and I ride Whiting ranch every other day so if you wanna ride with us just come by the shop and we ride after work on certain days.

[Mikey McFly]

I'll be riding this Saturday for the following event:
Irvine Ranch Natural Landmarks (http://www.irlandmarks.org/activities/cancel-registration.aspx?id=3779829F-102C-4C6F-B0B9-9F17AE49A166-56284)

Depending on time, I may go all the way up Blackstar to Beeks place. Any takers?

I'd like to make it out to this.
Hopefully I get more people going :boink: than :squint: at my bike.

Looks like a lot of hiking with a 40lb bike.

[stinky_180]

i think your better off riding your dh sled somewhere else. this area is all new territory for orange count and i highly doubt there will be any good dh trails... yet alone the traffic from IRC

[Mikey McFly]

I pretty much freeride anyways, but yea. They'd probably be all like "WTF dude! Rare plants maaan!"

TW it is. I'm gonna see if I can one shot it next time I go. Just bomb it like its cool.

[Vatche]

me and steve are hitting up a new trail in between lake forest and oceanside. san mateo canyon loop. planning to meet 830am sunday.

this is last minute but we just decided.

714- three 28- 71 four 6

[stinky_180]

How was the ride Vatche?

[Vatche]

it was different than i expected. we did a lot of single track exploring. some of it was shittty and some of it was fun. my bike did ok, but i need to ride fullerton with it so i know what changed on my bike. cuz im so used to fullerton.

but yeah san mateo canyon was ok. not my favorite scenery tho. but it was technical. we bypassed a single track trail because there was a rattle snake. we are assuming that if we continued past the rattle snake we would have been on the main trail instead of the overgrown trail we ended up on for a short time

[stinky_180]

Weak, but there is that mountain biker saying:

'If you're not bushwhacking or not lost, you aren't mountain biking'

I'll be riding Santiago Truck Trail to Old Camp then down the Luge tomorrow night? Any takers? Meet up time will be around 7:00pm, meet at cooks corner where El Toro becomes Santiago Canyon Road.

[keistyle]

i snapped my derailler hanger, allowing my derailler to get caught in my wheel....2 miles in, on the way down though.
No problem. The fix? 32w belt and a ziptie. no pedal no care.

Does anyone have a spare 9spd derailler they won't mind selling?
I had a shimano deore xt.

[stinky_180]

Hrmmm, who do you go to for your LBS (Local Bike Shop)? What make model is your MTB again? I would highly recommend going to The Path Bike Shop (http://thepathbikeshop.com/). They stock many derailleur hangers and have a large selection of parts. They even have a 'take off' wall section for even cheaper parts in new condition.

Any takers on STT-Old Camp-Luge tonight? Ride meet up around 7-730pm at cooks corner.

If you haven't been before, here is some information to give you an idea of what this ride is like:
http://www.geoladders.com/show_route.php?route=44446

We can skip the old camp climb and head down the luge if you're tired.

[keistyle]

I go to a place called cyclery usa, people there are super helpful. i should check that place out. I'll see if i can scavenge some parts from friends.


Hrmmm, who do you go to for your LBS (Local Bike Shop)? What make model is your MTB again? I would highly recommend going to The Path Bike Shop (http://thepathbikeshop.com/). They stock many derailleur hangers and have a large selection of parts. They even have a 'take off' wall section for even cheaper parts in new condition.

Any takers on STT-Old Camp-Luge tonight? Ride meet up around 7-730pm at cooks corner.

If you haven't been before, here is some information to give you an idea of what this ride is like:
Geoladders -- STT-Old Camp-Luge (http://www.geoladders.com/show_route.php?route=44446)

We can skip the old camp climb and head down the luge if you're tired.

[azndummie]

Here's my ride
GT Sanction 3.0 7in front travel and 6in Rear
36 lbs
Fun!

http://i82.photobucket.com/albums/j265/azndummie/n608809477_1447273_809.jpg

[MWH_Photo]

If any of you go to Jenson you should hit me up so I can oggle your cars while you wait in will-call...

:rofl:

[stinky_180]

Nice GT! But, you should remove those ugly reflectors off your wheels ;p

Hahaha, hook it up with an 'employee discount' and maybe I'll stop by with my ugly S13

Last nights was ride was amazing. Great weather, clear skies, bright lights below. I rode with a rider from another forum and he killed it! He gave me so many new tips, I already feel like a stronger rider lol. Anyways, I'm riding again this Saturday for my monthly volunteer work at El Moro BackCountry (Crystal Cove State Park). This ride will be at a slow and easy pace so come out!!

[Vatche]

im down to ride saturday at a slow pace matt :D

[Vatche]

If any of you go to Jenson you should hit me up so I can oggle your cars while you wait in will-call...

:rofl:

do you work in chino hills?

[[email protected]]

http://driftheaven.justdrift.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/07/IMG01739-20110727-1342.jpg

yummy!

[stinky_180]

im down to ride saturday at a slow pace matt :D

Sounds good! It'll be a very slow pace, I'm still recovering. What time works for you?

http://driftheaven.justdrift.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/07/IMG01739-20110727-1342.jpg

yummy!

damn!!!! you drifting on your dh bike???? lol

[Vatche]

whenever is good for you matt, how long you expecting the ride to be? i have some plans towards the evening.

[stinky_180]

whenever is good for you matt, how long you expecting the ride to be? i have some plans towards the evening.

Ride shouldn't be more than 2 hours long. I was thinking in the early afternoon, like around 1pm?

[Vatche]

yeah thats fine with me, it would be like riding at the hottest part of the day though. but thats fine.

lemme know where to meet you at and what time to be there

[Mikey McFly]

I'm running TW around 9am or 10am if anyone wants to roll out and spot each other. Some sections get a little hairy. =P

[MWH_Photo]

do you work in chino hills?

Nah, I'm in Riverside..

We have a Corona retail store and Riverside is corporate/will-call

Sold my bike so I could buy an S13 after the wedding, but it's getting harder and harder not to just go out and get another MTB =/

[stinky_180]

I'll be riding this Sunday at El Moro again. Didn't realize I scheduled myself to volunteer two weekends in a row... sucks! Anyone interested?

Hey Vatche, did you have time to install the pedals I gave you?

[airhead]

I want to get my self in this.

What bike will you guys recommend for a beginner?
Im not trying to spend a lot!
I have been checking GL for a used bike they seem to start out at $1000:(

[Mikey McFly]

How much are you looking to spend. A couple of guys here have hard tails and they're not really expensive. Just search downhill, free ride, or full suspension and see what comes up. Hit up a bike shop, they might hook you up with a deal with last year's models.

[stinky_180]

I would highly recommend getting a hard tail first as you will learn most of your skills better on one. A full suspension will only handicap you when you're starting off. Some things to keep in mind when buying a mountain bike.

Make sure you buy a bike that fits you. How tall are you? You don't need the newest technology in your new bike (V-brakes and front suspension will do). Start off easy, you don't want to scare yourself off the trails.

[Mikey McFly]

Where'd everybody go?

[Vatche]

my bike needs to be taken in, and i have no money so im currently not riding.

my fork is too tall and it needs to be adjusted internally and i dont want to risk taking it apart myself.

other than that, guy at rei couldnt adjust my derailer after 2 hours, and couldnt figure out my creaking. wanted me to leave it but i rather take it somewhere else. prolly the path.

[Mikey McFly]

Bicycle Warehouse down here off Kearny Villa Rd do an awesome job. It's a bit of a drive for you but they work quick and do really great work. They're all downhill junkies and specialize more in mountain bikes than the other Bicycle Warehouse shops who focus more on road bikes.

[tac 1]

Couple of co-workers and I went to ride at turnbull canyon last Tuesday. We had a blast! Except we got lost, but that was part of the whole experience. Parked at Beverly bld, went up at the water tower, down 7th st alley then got carried away and ended up at the residential area. Lol. We some how stumbled a spot called Hell's gate (creppy as fck!) then from there lost track till we got back to Turnbull canyon Rd Hahaha all in all great experience with our "wall mart" bikes! Lol

[DS562]

from the Gates of Hell you go uphill and it takes you back to the main road. i rode up there on my hardtail last week. i had to have hit 40mph on the downhill. im averaging about 75 miles a week.

[stinky_180]

Turnbull is a great place to ride! I've only been there once and I did the figure 8 loop.

I just got back from riding Santiago Oaks in Orange. Trails are in perfect shape from the light rain we had last night.

With the shorter days and longer nights, it is time to bust out the bike light!

[Mikey McFly]

We need to get this thread kicking again. How convenient was it that over the summer we had this going and then I missed out on both rides.
I really want to get a crew out to TW one day.

[Vatche]

yeh i havent rode at all lately. havent had the time really, only summer longer days will change that for me, i am not a big fan of the dark. i would need a shotgun haha

[tac 1]

from the Gates of Hell you go uphill and it takes you back to the main road. i rode up there on my hardtail last week. i had to have hit 40mph on the downhill. im averaging about 75 miles a week.

Damn! We were barely clocking at 23-25mph. But we were not very familiar with the track conditions yet since it was our first time there.

[DS562]

i meant i went down the paved road, skyline dr. real smooth, almost no resistance beside my beefy terrain tires. takin those banks and not braking is a hell of a rush! no way i'd hit any Xc trails without any type of suspension, i'd die....or at least walk funny after.

[DS562]

yeh i havent rode at all lately. havent had the time really, only summer longer days will change that for me, i am not a big fan of the dark. i would need a shotgun haha

i feel you on that one, i rode 10 miles last night and on my way home some cholos took a few pop shots at me with pellet guns. i kept my pace and laughed cause everybody knows cholos cant shoot for shit.

[stinky_180]

i feel you on that one, i rode 10 miles last night and on my way home some cholos took a few pop shots at me with pellet guns. i kept my pace and laughed cause everybody knows cholos cant shoot for shit.

What trails have cholos??? Thats pretty whack....

[DS562]

ha i failed to mention i was riding in residential areas because it was 10 and it had just rained. that just goes to show, you never know who you're fucking with. if that happened 4 years from now, they would have shot at an off-duty officer.

[hingamatt]

Seems like this all LA people. Anyone in San Diego want to meet and ride?

[Vatche]

mikey mcfly is san diego, and me and john are in oceanside.

mikey seems more active with riding though haha, me and john are currently looking into trails that are close by. i only know of lake hodges around here.

[stinky_180]

me and john are currently looking into trails that are close by. i only know of lake hodges around here.

Yo Vatche go here:

MountainBikeBill's Mountain biking Trail Reviews, Videos and Pictures (http://www.mountainbikebill.com/)

Leftside: San Diego -> North County

You'll find a ton of places! And to warn you ahead of time, TW (Ted Williams) is pretty advanced.

Anyone interested in riding this Sunday? I was thinking the Fullerton Loop since its inbetween LA and SD. Let me know, hopefully it doesn't rain hard this weekend.

[hingamatt]

mikey mcfly is san diego, and me and john are in oceanside.

mikey seems more active with riding though haha, me and john are currently looking into trails that are close by. i only know of lake hodges around here.


I have done lake Hodges once. Start at the hernandez hideaway and I made it to the 15 before I was tired. If guys are going to do that again I wouldn't mind tagging along. I need to find some more riding buddies.

Send me a PM if you guys go.

[stinky_180]

Hey Vatche, organize an SD ride! I need check out your hood!

And just an addition to 'cholos' on the trail:

Hikers find human head in LA's Hollywood Hills - Yahoo! News (http://news.yahoo.com/hikers-human-head-las-hollywood-hills-041119209.html)

Pretty friggin gnarly....

[Vatche]

I have done lake Hodges once. Start at the hernandez hideaway and I made it to the 15 before I was tired. If guys are going to do that again I wouldn't mind tagging along. I need to find some more riding buddies.

Send me a PM if you guys go.

im not 100% sure where i used to start but we used to hit the 15 and turn around from what i remember.. its been a few years

[keistyle]

Hey guys,
A few Violent Running Tribe guys are gonna go biking this Saturday morning, near Glendora mountain road. This will be a shuttle ride. We will try to be there at 9 a.m. I'll post more info as we decide on the specifics.

[tac 1]

Hey Vatche, organize an SD ride! I need check out your hood!

And just an addition to 'cholos' on the trail:

Hikers find human head in LA's Hollywood Hills - Yahoo! News (http://news.yahoo.com/hikers-human-head-las-hollywood-hills-041119209.html)

Pretty friggin gnarly....

Went up there on the day they found the body parts. We were wondering why there were cops, paramedics and park ranger everywhere. Had no idea what was going on then saw it on the news that night. I wouldve kick the head down the hill and say "ehh its hollywood, its a movie prop" if i were to stumble upon the head. Lol

[Mikey McFly]

So what's up guys?
The awesome weather is here and we haven't planned a ride yet?
Dust off and lube your bikes and lets go bomb a hill!

[tacotacotaco]

So im back in oceanside where are the trails in san diego county?

[Mikey McFly]

Anderson's Truck trail is south of you out by Alpine and TW is closer to you. I'm a downhill rider though and those are downhill tracks. Well, TW is more DH than Anderson's. You can do Anderson on a XC, it would be rough on a hardtail.

[97street_pearl]

SoCalTrailRiders - Southern California Mountain Bike Community (http://www.socaltrailriders.org/)
I go riding with these guys sometimes

[Vatche]

me and tacotacotaco are trying to plan a ride to get back in the rhythm of things. i will figure out where and when, it will be a weekday, probably 8-10am or something

[jesse_s13]

Decent starter bike?

http://www.giant-bicycles.com/_generated/_generated_us/bikes/models/images/800/2011/Yukon_FX_2_black_blue_72dpiWIDE.jpg
Yukon FX (2011) - Bikes | Giant Bicycles | United States (http://www.giant-bicycles.com/en-us/bikes/model/yukon.fx/7326/44104/#overview)

[stinky_180]

Definitely a great starter bike! Just upgrade it as you gain more skill. Where do you ride?

Sent from my HTC PH39100 using Tapatalk 2

[jesse_s13]

Definitely a great starter bike! Just upgrade it as you gain more skill. Where do you ride?

Sent from my HTC PH39100 using Tapatalk 2

Thanks for the input. Im actually transitioning out of riding Bmx.

Although I have ridden 007 trail at Basslake. Norcal.

Really excited for MTB :)

[gjfatkri]

Where do you ride?http://flash.eviziotvreviews.com/9.jpg

[jpvalencia84]

im so down ....lol i have to take my suv since my hatch wont allow my bike to fit....im not all super pro but i enjoy the scenery and fresh scent i live in pasadena so who ever is willing let me know email me [email protected]

[cfish462]

I'd be interested in joining in on a ride sometime too. I'm also in the Pasadena area.

[jpvalencia84]

so when do yall want to go

[SSCACAHUATES]

I ride downhill mtb and, im a certified bicycle mechanic, vatche I had no idea you were a mountain biker.

[Terror]

Yo!

I just moved to SD last week from Vegas, lookin to meet some new car people and go mountain biking.

[keistyle]

Bump to the top.


Anyone down for Webb or marshall canyon?

[jpvalencia84]

where is webb or marshall ?

[97street_pearl]

I'm pretty sure that white kouki was Enrique, Norm's buddy. he's started riding the loop too.

DAMN, I need to get bck into shape. Guess it's time to tune up the sled. I'll try to make it out next time.

Yeah that was me cxlo8331, lol, haven't been on here for a while, sill riding the Fullerton Loop on Sundays with STR, you should come out, we meet at 8am in the court house parking lot.

[Moore]

Saw this thread and since it's a 240 forum might as well share a picture of a dh bike on a 240.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v282/tamboman/2014-08-03112725_zpsa35f6c57.jpg (http://smg.photobucket.com/user/tamboman/media/2014-08-03112725_zpsa35f6c57.jpg.html)

seasuck, scared me the first time I used it but it works well.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v282/tamboman/2014-08-03112805_zps323b8a98.jpg (http://smg.photobucket.com/user/tamboman/media/2014-08-03112805_zps323b8a98.jpg.html)

and what I do with it once I get to the hill

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v282/tamboman/10464229_10152689795323784_563813871982117986_n_zp s0c01928f.jpg (http://smg.photobucket.com/user/tamboman/media/10464229_10152689795323784_563813871982117986_n_zp s0c01928f.jpg.html)