OMFG YES! Small RWD Caddy get's the green light!

[exitspeed]

You guys should know by now that I'm a fan of Caddy and a lot of GM's newest offerings. The rumor about this car has been floating around for a while now but not it looks like it's got the green light for development.

Imagine a sedan smaller then the CTS, rwd, and possibly the 2. Ecotec 260hp turbo and that MF would be bad ASS!

Here's the link!
Baby RWD Caddy (http://www.autoilluminati.com/?p=263)

[dubtastic]

It'd be a fast comfy daily driver.

Power to weight ratio on a caddy must be horrible.

I wonder how bad they'll over price it too.

[sub9lulu]

its gonna weight 3600lbs

[idahotuner]

3600 lbs. holy crap...

[exitspeed]

It'd be a fast comfy daily driver.

Power to weight ratio on a caddy must be horrible.

I wonder how bad they'll over price it too.

Yep, a perfect daily. That's what I'm lookin for. CTS has a great power to weight ratio compared otehr cars in it's class. The CTS-V is literally he best in it's class.

Over priced or too expensive for you? I wouldn't call the CTS-V over priced compared to it's competition at all. In fact it's a bargain.

its gonna weight 3600lbs
That's a good estimate. The current CTS is around 3800lbs. This car being smaller and being equipped with a smaller engine will bring the weight down some. I'd say on the optimistic side it'll be around 3400.

[SoSideways]

Yep, a perfect daily. That's what I'm lookin for. CTS has a great power to weight ratio compared otehr cars in it's class. The CTS-V is literally he best in it's class.

Over priced or too expensive for you? I wouldn't call the CTS-V over priced compared to it's competition at all. In fact it's a bargain.

Everytime I see/hear about the CTS-V, I just think of this video...

http://px2.sfstatic.com/handlers/GetSizedVideoThumb.ashx?id=90356&w=120 (http://videos.streetfire.net/video/StreetFirenets-cjonesy-h_90356.htm)StreetFire.net's "cjonesy" has some trouble with h (http://videos.streetfire.net/video/StreetFirenets-cjonesy-h_90356.htm)

I just can't get past what happened to his car, and how they dealt with it.

If GM has addressed those issues, then Caddy would be back on my list of "maybes", because I do like the way the CTS looks, and from what I've read, they perform very well also.

[stiizy]

Mel how much we looking at for this???

[exitspeed]

^
That was one instance. And yes they probably didn't handle that the best. HOWEVER Cadillac as a brand is rated higher then any car manufacturer in the industry as far how customers are treated. At least as of a couple years ago, aprox. around the same time of that video.

But again, bad case isn't going to stop me from buying a car. Also the new CTS is a better car in almost every sense.

Mel how much we looking at for this???

Considering the CTS starts at $34k, and they obviously wouldn't want to cannibalize CTS sales, I'd say it will be starting around $25k and topping out somewhere in the low $30's. That would be it's sweet spot IMO. A LSD equipped 2.0lT with some kinda tech package for like $33k? Oh yesssss fuckin please.

[stiizy]

Yea that would be sick...

I was thinking of picking up a CTS for the wifey when i switch jobs but i think i can wait for this....

Nice will it be offered in AWD just like the CTS as well??

[Future240]

Mel what you think for styling? Cuz the cts in general is just fugly to me.

[SoSideways]

Oh I know that was only 1 instance, but usually that 1 instance will show you whether or not a company is worth dealing with or not.

In cjonesy's case, I think it has more to do with the particular dealership than GM as a whole, so remind me not to buy a Caddy from that place lol

But yes, as you said, the CTS-V is a sweet as hell car, and I wouldn't mind one either. However, I'd have to make sure it doesn't like to run on 4 cylinders and shake like a polaroid picture.

[treken2t87]

Everytime I see/hear about the CTS-V, I just think of this video...

http://px2.sfstatic.com/handlers/GetSizedVideoThumb.ashx?id=90356&w=120 (http://videos.streetfire.net/video/StreetFirenets-cjonesy-h_90356.htm)StreetFire.net's "cjonesy" has some trouble with h (http://videos.streetfire.net/video/StreetFirenets-cjonesy-h_90356.htm)

I just can't get past what happened to his car, and how they dealt with it.

If GM has addressed those issues, then Caddy would be back on my list of "maybes", because I do like the way the CTS looks, and from what I've read, they perform very well also.
Whatever ended up happening???

[SoSideways]

He lemoned the car.

That's all I could find.

[exitspeed]

Yea that would be sick...

I was thinking of picking up a CTS for the wifey when i switch jobs but i think i can wait for this....

Nice will it be offered in AWD just like the CTS as well??

I don't think so. The Alpha platform borrows heavily from the Kappa partsbin. There's an outside chance there could be down the road but the extra weight it would add would make it less fuel efficient and that is def. something they want to avoid here. And just so you get an idea of scale, the Alpha platform will be about the size of a G6. Styling wise though, it'll make for a wider stance lower roofline car.

Mel what you think for styling? Cuz the cts in general is just fugly to me.

Then I'm the wrong guy to ask, because I LOVE the CTS's styling. It's probably one of my favorite cars on the market right now.

But if you are wondering about proportions and what not you can just look at the Holden Torano concept. So just picture this with Caddy's current styling cues and you get the idea. If I was better at PS I'd be all over doing a chop.
http://img72.imageshack.us/img72/3042/holdentt36toranahatchcoso8.jpg
http://www.webwombat.com.au/motoring/news_reports/images/holden-aims-04-1-big.JPG
http://www.webwombat.com.au/motoring/news_reports/images/holden-aims-04-2-big.JPG

[Antihero983]

Imagine a sedan smaller then the CTS, rwd, and possibly the 2. Ecotec 260hp turbo and that MF would be bad ASS!



and then imagine a japanese car that's cheaper in price, better made, more reliable, lighter, faster, and handles better.

Cadillac=still a fucking soulless waste of money.

[exitspeed]

and then imagine a japanese car that's cheaper in price, better made, more reliable, lighter, faster, and handles better.

Cadillac=still a fucking soulless waste of money.

At this point I've heard nothing to actually give me any hope that a Japanese company is making a car like this otherwise yes I'd be even more excited. If Nissan would make a small sedan with G35 sedan stylin in this segment I'd be all over it.

But I dissagree with this statement whole heartedly: Cadillac=still a fucking soulless waste of money.

[P_856]

Everytime I see/hear about the CTS-V, I just think of this video...

http://px2.sfstatic.com/handlers/GetSizedVideoThumb.ashx?id=90356&w=120 (http://videos.streetfire.net/video/StreetFirenets-cjonesy-h_90356.htm)StreetFire.net's "cjonesy" has some trouble with h (http://videos.streetfire.net/video/StreetFirenets-cjonesy-h_90356.htm)

I just can't get past what happened to his car, and how they dealt with it.

If GM has addressed those issues, then Caddy would be back on my list of "maybes", because I do like the way the CTS looks, and from what I've read, they perform very well also.

haha i just watched the whole vid that guy should get his own show where he test drives cars

[Agamemnon]

Just as long as it doesn't end up as a failure like other watered down Caddy's of the past.
http://www.cadillacforums.com/cadillac-models/allante2.jpg
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/e/ef/Caddy_Catera_1997-99.jpg

[Agamemnon]

BTW, I like the look of the new design.
http://www.autoilluminati.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/09/caddy.jpg

[JoeC1982]

I'll pass on the ecotec too, i'd rather have a 2.5-3.0 DI V6 with 220-240hp.

[exitspeed]

Just as long as it doesn't end up as a failure like other watered down Caddy's of the past.
http://www.cadillacforums.com/cadillac-models/allante2.jpg
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/e/ef/Caddy_Catera_1997-99.jpg

You forgot about the worst Caddy and possibly worst GM car ever. The Cimarron.
http://img.timeinc.net/time/2007/50_cars/cadillac_cimarron.jpg

Lucky for us Caddy today is not the Caddy of the past.

BTW, I like the look of the new design.
http://www.autoilluminati.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/09/caddy.jpg

That is just Motor Trend's rendering. They took the proportions of the Holden concept and Caddy-fied it.

I'll pass on the ecotec too, i'd rather have a 2.5-3.0 DI V6 with 220-240hp.

I'm sure a V6 is going to be an option. GM is has their 3.6 DI that is going in the G8 ST (Sport Truck). That would seem simple enough.

[Antihero983]

Honestly exit, for the price of some of the caddies out now, you can buy better cars.

Unless its a caddy from the 60s, I dont trust it.

[exitspeed]

Honestly exit, for the price of some of the caddies out now, you can buy better cars.

Unless its a caddy from the 60s, I dont trust it.

That can be said about any car depending on your preferences. I for one would never buy a VW, but a couple of my friends are nuts about the new ones. Caddy's dependability and quality is at the top of the industry right now. And dollar/performance/dependability/styling/interior/etc the CTS is just as good and in some cases better then it's Japanese and Euro competition. And if you are talking about the CTS-V, there is no production sedan that comes close to it's performance and price.

Yes, the STS sucks, and the Escalade and SRX are big ass gay SUV's. But the CTS is a fantastic car.

I challenge you to name a car with the specs that this car is going to have that is new...

You can't because there is none. I'm really hoping Nissan does this with an Infinity sedan based off of the new 240 platform. But that is just me speculating.

[DOOK]

it'll probably just go to Europe and not here anyways....

[exitspeed]

it'll probably just go to Europe and not here anyways....

Prolly not. The Alpha platform was meant to be sold in America.

[Antihero983]

Um how can their be reliability concerns with a car that hasnt been out that long? You cant call a new malibu reliable because well it just came out. Hell the CTS isnt that old. And Caddy's interiors are known to break over time.

[exitspeed]

Um how can their be reliability concerns with a car that hasnt been out that long? You cant call a new malibu reliable because well it just came out. Hell the CTS isnt that old. And Caddy's interiors are known to break over time.

I guess I was referring to Caddy as a whole as far as dependability. They are ranked very high.

[Antihero983]

^you must not know many caddy owners.......ive had several caddy owners as friends over the years and 98% of them would NEVER buy another one.

[exitspeed]

^you must not know many caddy owners.......ive had several caddy owners as friends over the years and 98% of them would NEVER buy another one.

GM sells hundreds of thousands of Caddy's a year. You obviously don't know all the owners and going off of statistics, the people you know are not the majority.

Just sayin, you are comparing a handful or couple handful's of people to hundreds of thousands of sales.

Statistics are not the end all be all and should be taken with a grain of salt, but when multiple sources are all saying the same thing...

[Antihero983]

Yeah but most caddys are bought by Older people who just care about it being a caddy, you know, like the same people who buy buicks because theyre a buick.

i dunno. you smell. lol

[exitspeed]

Yeah but most caddys are bought by Older people who just care about it being a caddy, you know, like the same people who buy buicks because theyre a buick.

i dunno. you smell. lol

Cadillacs average consumer age has dropped drastically. Buick, not so much.

Either way. I'm looking forward to this car.

You smell too.

[Antihero983]

you smell even worse.

and I saw a new CTS today, I will give you the fact that they are damned pretty.

I wish they cut buick and not oldsmobile. will buick ever go RWD?

[exitspeed]

you smell even worse.

and I saw a new CTS today, I will give you the fact that they are damned pretty.

I wish they cut buick and not oldsmobile. will buick ever go RWD?

Welllllll, what they WERE planning on doing was switching the Lucerne and the Impala over to a RWD platform, but with the economy and the fuel prices have put the kibosh on that. So to answer your question, it doesn't look like it.

However the next get Lucerne we are getting it going to be based off of the Chinese version...which is, believe it or not, waaay better looking then ours.

Ahhem...yea, looks nice.
http://image.automobilemag.com/f/future-cars/2008-buick-park-avenue-and-riviera-concept/6327206+w500+cr1+re0+ar1/2008-buick-park-avenue-for-china-front-corner.jpg

[Antihero983]

wow....who'd have thought!?

[SoSideways]

I don't know if GM and Ford both have this thing where they completely destroy perfectly good looking cars for the American market or what, but it sure seem like they have a page in their design manual to do so.

[exitspeed]

I don't know if GM and Ford both have this thing where they completely destroy perfectly good looking cars for the American market or what, but it sure seem like they have a page in their design manual to do so.

I think they are aware of that now. Ford is supposed to be bringing over their Euro cars virtually unchanged.

[SoSideways]

I think they are aware of that now. Ford is supposed to be bringing over their Euro cars virtually unchanged.

I think they said they weren't going to bring over the new Fiesta though. 65+ mpg is apparently bad for the American market.

So I guess they traded good looks with practicality.

[exitspeed]

I think they said they weren't going to bring over the new Fiesta though. 65+ mpg is apparently bad for the American market.

So I guess they traded good looks with practicality.

Yea they are.

U.S.-spec Ford Fiesta snapped at Burger King - Autoblog (http://www.autoblog.com/2008/08/22/u-s-spec-ford-fiesta-snapped-at-burger-king/)

A guy ran into a 98% US Spec Fiesta just a few weeks ago.

The Focus and the Mondeo (probably as a Taurus) are coming coming as well. They are in the process of doing an emergency retooling of their plants to start producing these cars here in America.

[exitspeed]

Here's another example of how great GM interiors are becoming. This is a spy shot of the new Lucerne.

http://www.blogsmithmedia.com/www.autoblog.com/media/2008/09/lacrosse.ld.int.kgp.ed.jpg

[JoeC1982]

Thats the new Lacrosse, i was just checking it out myself.
http://www.blogsmithmedia.com/www.autoblog.com/media/2008/09/lacrosse.ld-17.kgp.ed.jpg

looks nice, i thought the current models were available with awd but i guess not. not bad for a fwd though.

[exitspeed]

Thats the new Lacrosse, i was just checking it out myself.

Yea, my bad.

Pretty nice sick ass interior though.

[silviaguy240]

what happend to the CTS coupe?

[exitspeed]

what happend to the CTS coupe?

That IS coming as is the CTS Wagon. Next model year. Both are 100% confirmed. They MAY even do a CTS-V Wagon! That would be tits.

[silviaguy240]

yea, they coming out with the 300c srt-8 touring model, which is a wagon. but as mopar is pretty gay, no manual. i seriously wonder why there is no manual for any of the srt-8's other than the up coming 2010 challenger.

[exitspeed]

yea, they coming out with the 300c srt-8 touring model, which is a wagon. but as mopar is pretty gay, no manual. i seriously wonder why there is no manual for any of the srt-8's other than the up coming 2010 challenger.

Chrysler tranny's have always been suspect. It's no wonder they still can't figure it our in 2008.

[SoSideways]

Chrysler tranny's have always been suspect. It's no wonder they still can't figure it our in 2008.

Same thing with Mercedes' trannies.

Only manual trannies they offer with any cars were with the 4 cyl C-series cars.

I don't think they offer any manual gearboxes now in 2008/2009.

[ronmcdon]

It's an agreeable concept enough, but I do think it's kinda redundant for GM. For a small sporty car with similar power the Solstice/Sky turbo is already there. For more of a tourer (and decent overall performer), you get the G8. This is not even taking into account the Camaro. sure it's cool, but image & four doors aside, I just don't see GM bringing anything new (which is also testament to the fact that they already have a great rwd lineup).

I'd rather GM work on an awd evo/sti fighter in the 30k range. don't care if it's a caddy, although the image certainly helps to sell such a pricetag. I'm also curious to see what GM can accomplish with a performance orientated awd chassis.

regardless, the results should be interesting to say the least.

[gregfarz78]

A 4 cylinder caddy? That worked so well for them in the past :rofl:

A turbo ecotec isn't going to cut it if the car weighs 3600lbs might as well just buy a used G35.

It's an agreeable concept enough, but I do think it's kinda redundant for GM. For a small sporty car with similar power the Solstice/Sky turbo is already there. For more of a tourer (and decent overall performer), you get the G8. This is not even taking into account the Camaro. sure it's cool, but image & four doors aside, I just don't see GM bringing anything new (which is also testament to the fact that they already have a great rwd lineup).

I'd rather GM work on an awd evo/sti fighter in the 30k range. don't care if it's a caddy, although the image certainly helps to sell such a pricetag. I'm also curious to see what GM can accomplish with a performance orientated awd chassis.

regardless, the results should be interesting to say the least.

The solstice/sky is being discontinued. The cobalt ss is the closest evo/wrx fighter, they're quick but built like crap on the inside. Typical GM a day late and a dollar short.

[muddafakka]

I wish they cut buick and not oldsmobile. will buick ever go RWD?

Speaking of Buick, I wish they'd make a no-nonsense turbocharged V6 coupe...Grand National style. It would be neat if they used the Holden Coupe 60 concept as the basis for it. But oh well, it's just a dream.

[exitspeed]

Hell yeah! Update! I'm so glad they are going to do it right and make it RWD. If they would have tried a FWD 3 Series fighter they'd have nothing but a failed attempt.

Cadillac XTS looks like Sixteen Concept, ATS aims at 3 Series with RWD — Autoblog (http://www.autoblog.com/2009/08/11/cadillac-ats-and-xts-coming-soon-ats-is-rwd-3-series-fighter/)

This morning at the media preview hosted by General Motors in its design dome, VP of Design Ed Welburn showed off full-size styling bucks of the next two models from Cadillac. Rounding out the lineup for GM's luxury brand will be the XTS and ATS. The ATS is a smaller car than the CTS and will take direct aim at the heart of the 3-Series. The model shown was a two-door coupe with a roof-line closer in shape to the CTS sedan rather than the extreme fastback profile of the CTS coupe. The overall design is an evolution of the current CTS with headlights that stretch back across the top of the fender line. Although no one would confirm the platform underneath, they did say it would be rear- and all-wheel drive, just like a 3. Earlier in the morning, new Cadillac general manager Brian Nesbitt said the next generation CTS is already under development and would be new from the ground up. It seems reasonable to assume that it is being developed to allow for a shorter version for the ATS.

The XTS, on the other hand, is huge and carries a lot of the design first seen on the celebrated Sixteen concept (seen above and in high-res gallery below), which means it's stunning in person. Given that a V16 is out of the question, the hood is obviously much shorter than the concept's. The flanks have more curvature than the current DTS and a character line with an undercut lies just below the belt-line.

Welburn declined to give specific timing except to say that both cars were coming soon. We already know that DTS is ending production soon to make way for the Volt at the Detroit Hamtramck plant. There was also no indication of powertrains, although the ATS is likely to be powered by four- and six-cylinder engines. The XTS may use the next generation small block V8 that debuts next year.

And again, here is a pic of a Holden vehicle based on that platform. So imagine this but with more aggressive CTS styling!
http://www.webwombat.com.au/motoring/news_reports/images/holden-aims-04-1-big.JPG

[Future240]

I am glad it looks like the 16 concept, that car was tits. I think the CTS could defintely compete with the 3 series in this form. So glad to see Caddy back on the right track.

[exitspeed]

I am glad it looks like the 16 concept, that car was tits. I think the CTS could defintely compete with the 3 series in this form. So glad to see GM back on the right track.

Edited that for ya quick.

[Future240]

Edited that for ya quick.

After I posted that I actually thought about going back to edit it, but I see you beat me to it:wiggle:

[Enna]

Looking pretty good. I don't know why, but I really like that color.

And here I thought someone bumped an old thread....