awd s13?

[shytdoode]

i have a s13 coupe and im planning on a sr20det swap the sr's from the pulsar as you guys know its a awd tranny what am i going 2 have 2 do to convert my rwd to awd? any extensive work? am i going 2 have 2 pull more cash out of my pocket? and what exactly will i need besides the complete swap? any one of you guys have a awd s13? how you guys like it?

[blu808]

Basically you will need to buy a plasma cutter, and well. Yea. um alot of other stuff.

[shytdoode]

how much extra would that cost me? would a shop noe what to do if i just give them the engine and the car?

[blu808]

To be honest with you. It would be cheaper to just buy a skyline. There is a ton of fab work to even make it possible.

Besides the sunnys AWD system is FWD biased. So it would feel nothing like the way a true awd car should feel. Like the skyline with its atessa awd system.

[shytdoode]

hmmm gives me something to think about...... thanks for the help =]

[blu808]

No problem man. Original thought though.

[Addicted2Kouki]

If youre deadset on making your s13 AWD.....

Theres a guy somewhere who put an RB26 in his S14.
He called it like.... S14R? something like that.. i forgot.

But it would be a lot easier to use that AWD system, especially because it makes more sense and has already been done.

[MeanS14]

If youre deadset on making your s13 AWD.....

Theres a guy somewhere who put an RB26 in his S14.
He called it like.... S14R? something like that.. i forgot.

But it would be a lot easier to use that AWD system, especially because it makes more sense and has already been done.

Full Race here in Arizona is who i think your talking about. They did it a while back and its called the R14. Its a grey s14 and i think it was in modified mag

[timtiminy]

and i you want to use the awd sr20 from a pulsar i would go use a b13 sentra as its a fwd layout and the engine should bolt right in and all you would have to work on fabbing is the awd system by sourcing all the awd pulsar parts.

[xplicit240]

might as well buy an s14 and get a RB26 set up. theres already conversion kits. be prepared to live in a card board box.

[whatda]

Full Race here in Arizona is who i think your talking about. They did it a while back and its called the R14. Its a grey s14 and i think it was in modified mag
i have that issue

[blu808]

Hats off to you peeps for replying in a cool manner, and not some stfu search newb fashion.

[S13SilviaGirl]

i have that issue

uhmmmm ok.....:tardrim: go you?

[240trooper]

Like Tim said, Go with a b13 Senta if u want sr20det awd , Its been done too. I'd like to see a g20 awd :D. Or a awd stanza ka-t :D

[Katsumbhong]

Get a Mazda 323 GTX

[onehundredoctane]

100 points to me for knowing why battleship grey was chose as the color for the R14.

[Future240]

Hats off to you peeps for replying in a cool manner, and not some stfu search newb fashion.

Agreed I seriously thought he was about to get flamed. This post is an example of how zilvians should act.

[SILVIA_KIDs14.5]

you would be refering to project R14 from Full race i have talked to them before about it and they do take a tone of parts from an r32 and swap it into the s14 to convert it to an r32 but they also said that the haven't figured out any conversions for the s13 yet not to say like you couldn't do it but good luck
If youre deadset on making your s13 AWD.....

Theres a guy somewhere who put an RB26 in his S14.
He called it like.... S14R? something like that.. i forgot.

But it would be a lot easier to use that AWD system, especially because it makes more sense and has already been done.

[timtiminy]

240trooper: a g20 awd turbo would be sweet. shoulda been how they came from the factory.

[shytdoode]

o owned a prelude before and you guys are alot nicer then freakin honda-tech people lol......

[forum04pl]

Run two fwd sr's? One powering the front wheels and one sitting in the trunk powering the rear?

:)

[guams s13 coupe]

Definately done in s13. Doug (Owner of UP Garage Fairlady Motor Z) has a coupe that he made or by now should be finished with his awd from r32 i believe. If you have any questions hop into northwestnissans.com n maybe land some more insight there.

[steve_o1989]

o owned a prelude before and you guys are alot nicer then freakin honda-tech people lol......

haha maybe sometimes. I honestly was expecting a different reaction to this thread.

Do you plan on doing the work yourself? If you do I hope that you have alot of mechanical experience. If you want to have a shop do it, you are going to be paying out the ass, and honestly it may be difficult to find someone willing to attempt something with so much engineering involded.

Skyline would probably be you best starting point. You can look into the GTR drivetrain or the GTS-4 drivetrain. I am not too sure of the specific differences between the two, but they will probably be completely different as one system uses the RB26 and the other the RB20.

[Dr_bronsonn]

While on this topic, I had a few questions too. I have access to the ENTIRE drive train from an R32 GT-R, both sub frames, all drive line, spindles, hubs, suspension... I mean everything.
My question to anyone who has seen it personally is this:
What body work is needed to make it fit. I know the tunnel and the floor board needs to be modified to get the tranny to fit properly. not too tough. I have heard that the shock towers need to be altered. is this true?

[Edgar]

i'm so glad rep doesn't exist anymore

[timtiminy]

Dr bronsonn: the R32 has 2 hole shock towers and double wishbone suspension in front like the 300zx, the 240sx doesnt have this so yes the front would have to be modified, i believe the fullrace R14 used some custom fabbed parts and chopped up the front wheel wells a bit to make everything work.

[OptionZero]

If you really want to do it and have the resources, throw money at Full Race and work with them, as others have mentioned.

Otherwise, stop dreaming.

[g6civcx]

Question: you can take an S13 and stuff an AWD drivetrain into the chassis, or you can buy a car w/ AWD already (STi, Evo, etc.) and do body work to make the car look like an S13.

Assuming both gives you the same result, which on is cheaper and more reliable?

[projectb13]

noway a rnn14 tranny would work with a s13 with out major mods , its a ff lay out trany with awd like evos , you would have to lay it in the s13 engine bay as a it lays in the rnn14. if you doit i wanna see it

[S14DB]

While on this topic, I had a few questions too. I have access to the ENTIRE drive train from an R32 GT-R, both sub frames, all drive line, spindles, hubs, suspension... I mean everything.
My question to anyone who has seen it personally is this:
What body work is needed to make it fit. I know the tunnel and the floor board needs to be modified to get the tranny to fit properly. not too tough. I have heard that the shock towers need to be altered. is this true?

The GT-R front suspension has an upper A arm. S chassis is McPherson upper.

People have tried to bolt the GT-R subframe on and it makes the car sit 4-12" higher then stock.

What Full Race does is make a C notch(like how lowrider trucks notch the rear) in the front unibody where the A-arm goes to move it up the 4 inches. Then welded in the GT-R strut mount/upper arm mount

http://www.full-race.com/r14/images/photos/_H0J9505.jpg
http://www.full-race.com/r14/images/photos/_H0J9503.jpg

The modified mag article and full races site provide great photos and write up to what needs to be done. if you can't figure it out from the pics, you shouldn't be attempting it.

[Landers]

o owned a prelude before and you guys are alot nicer then freakin honda-tech people lol......



Ehhh you caught ziliva on a good day

[driftertim]

Why isnt there Negative Reps???

What youre looking to do is Original, but in all honestly to ruin the beautiful manner in which a RWD SR20 powered S13 drives with hack-job 4wd setup, even an RB25-6 AWD Setup is a lot of $$$ and its overkill. You can get a Subaru 2.5RS and do an STI swap. In fact theres one here WTS 1998 Subaru 2.5RS Swapped JDM STI - 13000$ Nego - MONTREALRACING (http://forums.montrealracing.com/showthread.php?t=588079) . I dont mean to diss on your dreams, but for parts availability R32 awd setup is more abundant and there is more knowledge base. Try driving some SR and RB powered S13's then you will see what I mean. i've never seen an AWD S13 or S14 unless its the one these guys are talking abotu in Mags, and we all know the cars in the mags are Money, and yes you will be living in a card board box like someone said earlier.
Get a car you can daily drive without too much hassle and leave those crazy ass AWD SR dreame for the ones with too much money to waste

[jrbump]

Like was mentioned in here before.

UP Garage in Tacoma has an RB20 Powered AWD drive S13 coupe.

Friend of mine here in salem has an RB26DETT Powered AWD S13 coupe as well.

http://i105.photobucket.com/albums/m211/jrbump/cars/sideshot.jpg

http://i105.photobucket.com/albums/m211/jrbump/cars/under.jpg

http://i105.photobucket.com/albums/m211/jrbump/cars/enginebay.jpg

[g6civcx]

FYI, be careful what you do. Full Race's design is patent-pending.

[Wabash9000]

part of the problem is that the s13 has a McPherson strut front suspension. In order to have a drive shaft going to the front wheels you need to convert it to a double wishbone suspension, which would require fabricating upper control arm mounts so that a r32 uper arm is in the correct spot. Also you would need to buy front coilovers for a r32 and rears for a s13.

just some thoughts to think about. love the idea but I would put money on the fact that it is probably going to cost a crapload more than it's worth. get an Subaru rs if you want a 4wd 2dr.

[TheBigDirty]

o owned a prelude before and you guys are alot nicer then freakin honda-tech people lol......
Umm, you'll see.:keke:
Props for the idea, but imo its not worth it. Get stoked on your rwd!

[TanaMU]

transverse engine mounting ftw..

[Ben G]

if he has the money i say go for it, it would be really sick no one really has it

[ManoNegra]

If you're a master fabricator
and have access to all the parts required for free
I'd still recommend you get something that
already came out of the factory AWD...

[RPS13-604]

just get an full-race awd conversion kit

[S14DB]

just get an full-race awd conversion kit

LoL, get in line...

I don't think they have shipped a single kit...

[Def]

FYI, be careful what you do. Full Race's design is patent-pending.

Seriously? What is so novel about it? I really don't know anything about it, but I'm willing to bet they use at least a few off the shelf Nissan parts. I don't think you can patent a ridiculously obvious automotive drivetrain that's been in use for decades, and which uses many OEM parts for the engine/transmission that's in the car.


Of course, the average patent examiner is an idiot, so maybe it'll get through. That said, they'd only be able to go after a business selling the same product. If an individual made something that was "close" in their free time, then it'd prove that the patent is either A) too obvious to have merit, or B) their patent is too broadly defined if another cobbled together AWD system on a 20 year old car would fall into its range.

YMMV, and I am not a lawyer of course.

[lazysk8er2]

go with the b13 sentra try the sr20forum.com when i had my sentra i found a lot of usefull info. and its not even fully bolt on from that car either i think you need a custom driveshaft and some other little things. and its a lot better in those chassis also cuz they are light as heck and very nimble. then if you really like the 240 do an original front end conversion with flip up lights...i dunno i give up hope that helps


edit: take the gti-r put it in a sentra get a strong rear diff convert it to rwd and drift it lol

[jrbump]

Find a Canadian willing to sell you a R32 GTR or a Sunny GTiR

There you go sweet AWD nissan in either flavor and all for around 10-14k ish.

[RPS13-604]

LoL, get in line...

I don't think they have shipped a single kit...

hmm really? i read somewhere you have to get your car shipped to there shop to do the swap? not sure but correct me if im wrong

[TSLegendary]

240trooper: a g20 awd turbo would be sweet. shoulda been how they came from the factory.


G20's (aka Primera) Did come AWD and someone had one imported to New Jersey. Pretty awesome if you ask me cause it makes it the ultimate small awd sedan.Next to the SSS Bluebird that is.

Here's an example.http://www.cardomain.com/ride/1214158

As for a AWD s13, try it out on Forza 2 Motorsport.Yeah i know its just a simulation game but its pretty amazing to actually drive a 600 HP RB26DETT s13 with the grip of a AWD. Lets just say it owns..Like hell.

[g6civcx]

Seriously? What is so novel about it? I really don't know anything about it, but I'm willing to bet they use at least a few off the shelf Nissan parts. I don't think you can patent a ridiculously obvious automotive drivetrain that's been in use for decades, and which uses many OEM parts for the engine/transmission that's in the car.


Of course, the average patent examiner is an idiot, so maybe it'll get through. That said, they'd only be able to go after a business selling the same product. If an individual made something that was "close" in their free time, then it'd prove that the patent is either A) too obvious to have merit, or B) their patent is too broadly defined if another cobbled together AWD system on a 20 year old car would fall into its range.

YMMV, and I am not a lawyer of course.

Please post your question in off topic and I'll be glad to respond.

[projectb13]

also sentra or sunny b13 came in awd with sr18de

[S14DB]

hmm really? i read somewhere you have to get your car shipped to there shop to do the swap? not sure but correct me if im wrong

Was how it was first, but they quickly got reservations 6months-1yr out and conversions were talking longer then expected so they came up with the kit idea. I have not seen them shipping kits.

[David Steele]

Full Race or more like Full of Shit .

[flip3d]

I've seen pulsars floating around for $8k+

[Dr_bronsonn]

The GT-R front suspension has an upper A arm. S chassis is McPherson upper.

People have tried to bolt the GT-R subframe on and it makes the car sit 4-12" higher then stock.

What Full Race does is make a C notch(like how lowrider trucks notch the rear) in the front unibody where the A-arm goes to move it up the 4 inches. Then welded in the GT-R strut mount/upper arm mount

That's exactly what I needed to see. I think I can take part of the 300zx (Z32) front suspension or even cut the mounts out of the subframe and weld them into my 13 chasis to cure the height problem.
Check this out here is the Z32 ft suspension notice the upper control link and bracket:

http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b271/Dr_bronsonn/005.gif

and here is the R32 GT-R same exact setup on the upper link:
http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b271/Dr_bronsonn/susp.jpg

The swap i'm buying has the coil overs and the upper arms included. i just need something to mount them too.

[rb25_s13*CHUKI]

Do It...... If there was still rep I would posi rep you.. Other people would neg rep cause they could probably never accomplish something like this.. Prove them wrong and do IT!!!

[Dr_bronsonn]

^^^^^^^edited last post to make clearer^^^^^^

[DriftMUH]

Ehhh you caught ziliva on a good day

So true..
Zilvia will kick you with its fist on a usual day

[soreballz]

^I'd like to "kick you with my fist" for bumping a 6 week old thread just to make that post.

[!Zar!]

Awd s13? Yeah, it's called a skyline.

/done.

[Jonnyblaze]

Get a DSM.

[ROUGE180]

I have been pondering this idea myself. DO ITTTTTTTTTTTTTTT!!!! If I had the cash I would.

[Antihero983]

Get a DSM.

eh i'm sure the OP wants a decent car.

[WangonwWarrior]

Sure is easy to spot the newbs in this thread lol

[WISH ONE]

^I'd like to "kick you with my fist" for bumping a 6 week old thread just to make that post.
hahah kyle.. LMAO

Get a DSM.
Gross...
Sure is easy to spot the newbs in this thread lol
The fall of the REPUTATION points has encouraged a whole new line of Newbies to come out of the dark and post....Sucks

[ZenkiCam]

^lol.. how much money do you have to work with op.

[Howard92884]

This guy Doug did an RB20 AWD S13 and another guy on this thread did an RB26.
If you have an S13 AWD video post it up! - Northwest Nissans (http://www.northwestnissans.com/board/showthread.php?t=84075)

http://www.northwestnissans.com/board/showthread.php?t=84103

[nis-son]

ive seen a b13 with this setup and it moves

[Bubbles]

Get a DSM.

eh i'm sure the OP wants a decent car.


As much as I hate (HATE) to say this, it would be easier to make a DSM run reliably than it would be to do an AWD conversion.

[Swerv13]

Time for an update on this subject... heres some video with an AWD s13...
YouTube - 1st 4WD Drift RB26DETT AWD swap S13 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CX8a-OYv1t8&feature=related)

YouTube - 240SX RB26DETT AWD swap, short drift testing our setups (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xQ7tLycXUfo)

and aside from modification of the s13 strut towers and cutting/fabbing to bring the s13 chassis lower onto the r32 subframe, etc etc etc...there is another way. But few will have the heart to take a plasma cutter to a perfectly good r32 GTR and s13 in this way.... but here are some examples of what I had in mind...
Opel Kadett + S2000 « Build Threads (http://buildthreads.wordpress.com/2009/07/28/opel-kadett-s2000/#more-631)

MadMinor project - not 56k friendly though - SXOC Bulletin Board (http://www.sxoc.com/vbb/showthread.php?t=219069)

[ILoveJDM]

since you brought this thread from the dead..

did anyone else notice the r32 strut towers in that white 240..maybe a weld on r32 clip with silvia fenders?

[Swerv13]

ITS ALIVE!

i would much rather weld in the top of the r32 strut towers than an entire front clip.

there is also another way to handle everything upfront. Just going tube frame from the firewall forward, which would include the two stud upper strut mounts. hell, i have always wanted to try a pushrod or cantilever coilover setup. there are so many ways to accomplish this.

some more good links to doing the awd setup....
Picasa Web Albums - Joe - 240SX project (http://picasaweb.google.com/truckadsjoe/240SXProject?feat=directlink#)
RB26DETT AWD swap photos and update: RB20 / RB25 / RB26 Forum: Nissan Forums / Infiniti Forums - NICOclub (http://forums.nicoclub.com/zerothread/410431-rb26dett-awd-swap-photos-and-update)

[Swerv13]

another thread with great info and the beginning of a awd s13 build thread, which will be continued in NWN soon, so he says.
AWD 240sx RBxxDET(T) swap!: RB20 / RB25 / RB26 Forum: Nissan Forums / Infiniti Forums - NICOclub (http://forums.nicoclub.com/zerothread?id=414509&page=1)

[bardabe]

As much as I hate (HATE) to say this, it would be easier to make a DSM run reliably than it would be to do an AWD conversion.

getting a DSM to be reliable is just as hard as saying a 3 rotor FC is going to be perfectly reliable

[zenki.life]

if you have to ask you cant do it. i use that saying alot