rb26 na itb

[tougemaster951]

anybody ever seen a rb26 na with itbs?

[ThatGuy]

I thought the 26 had ITB's stock, so just remove the turbos and wonder where your power went?

Please, correct me if I'm wrong, as I have very limited experience with RB engines.

[projectRDM]

anybody ever seen a rb26 na with itbs?

Remove turbos. Done.

[Full-Lock]

http://i156.photobucket.com/albums/t39/topsecrt88/RB26DE.jpg

[Addicted2Kouki]

I dont know why you would want to...
but if losing most your power
and being NA with ITBs makes you happy......

[rb25_s13*CHUKI]

I wouldn't mind a N/a Rb26!! I see nothing wrong with doing something different... I mean after all my cosing built a N/a ej20 scooby engine.. Wasn't bad at all!!!

[ESmorz]

Neutering your engine to be different.

Way awesome...

:duh:

[rb25_s13*CHUKI]

Neutering your engine to be different.

Way awesome...

:duh:

hey hey!! It can still make baby's ok!!!! Just wont make them as fast!:cj:

[driftstyre]

I'd like to hear a de-stroked super crazy high revving RB26 on throttles with some loopy high rise octopus headers. The sound of the hakosuka GTR at full tilt makes me randy.

[racepar1]

I'd like to hear a de-stroked super crazy high revving RB26 on throttles with some loopy high rise octopus headers. The sound of the hakosuka GTR at full tilt makes me randy.

I must agree here. I was totally against this untill your post reminded me of the sexy howl that the hasokuka GTR makes at full song.......mmmmmmmmmmmm! :naughtyd:

[projectRDM]

I wouldn't mind a N/a Rb26!! I see nothing wrong with doing something different... I mean after all my cosing built a N/a ej20 scooby engine.. Wasn't bad at all!!!

What in hell is a cosing?

[origin_s135]

What in hell is a cosing?

i think he meant cousin. haha

[atom]

N/A Rb26 would be rad as hell. I have a vid on my comp of an ER34 with a Neo RB25DE and TWM's, shit sounds awesome.

[3-240's-N-aMule]

So far from what im reading, the only reason to removes a 26's balls is for the sound... Right... Dont see why thats "rad". I guess cutting the engines capabilites in half for the sound is cool.

[racepar1]

So far from what im reading, the only reason to removes a 26's balls is for the sound... Right... Dont see why thats "rad". I guess cutting the engines capabilites in half for the sound is cool.

Just something differrent. I guarantee you can get PLENTY of power out of a n/a itb rb26 as well. Why do people run n/a itb sr's? I mean they are cutting their engine's capabilities in half for god's sake! :eek2:

[CursedGTR]

RB26 N/A was in the Autech R32 GTR (IIRC) and that particular car still goes for 30-40K based on condition. The N/A RB26 is pretty slick shit and is built to be N/A IT IS NOT an RB26DETT without turbo's, it is an RB26 that is BUILT to be N/A.

Linky to one - Autech - R32 RB26DE (http://www.gtrblog.com/gallery/v/Skylines/Skylines-RB26DE/)

[3-240's-N-aMule]

Just something differrent. I guarantee you can get PLENTY of power out of a n/a itb rb26 as well. Why do people run n/a itb sr's? I mean they are cutting their engine's capabilities in half for god's sake! :eek2:

Still doesnt make any sense at all. Ok umm i explain. Take rb26dett, remove turbos and lose a good amount of hp.
Take the same rb26 minus 2 turbos, add intake, headers, cams, pnp and other head work and w/e other shit you wanna add and tune. All this work will prolly get you somewhere near the the hp levels of what you used to have before you took the turbos off. Just now ur out of a few thousand bucks and are pretty limited in hp goals goin all natural. A dude wearing assless chaps at a snoop dogg concert is unique too. Doesnt mean i would do it.

[racepar1]

Still doesnt make any sense at all. Ok umm i explain. Take rb26dett, remove turbos and lose a good amount of hp.
Take the same rb26 minus 2 turbos, add intake, headers, cams, pnp and other head work and w/e other shit you wanna add and tune. All this work will prolly get you somewhere near the the hp levels of what you used to have before you took the turbos off. Just now ur out of a few thousand bucks and are pretty limited in hp goals goin all natural. A dude wearing assless chaps at a snoop dogg concert is unique too. Doesnt mean i would do it.

What the fuck ever man. You don't like it, I get it. It would be cool regardless of what you think. Shit autech produced a n/a GTR and that is a stupidly desirable car.

[Future240]

What the fuck ever man. You don't like it, I get it. It would be cool regardless of what you think. Shit autech produced a n/a GTR and that is a stupidly desirable car.

Na or not :hitit:

[racepar1]

Na or not :hitit:

Amen brotha! LOL! I'm not even an rb fan and I would consider it.

[derk]

im actually in the planning stages of a project involving a high comp N/A rb26 and an s30 chassis

why?

cuz i already have a gtr, and a spare complete rb26dett motor as well as a spare short block at hand

:D

besides, if i ever wanted to go stupid fast, id just take tge gtr out

keeping with the N/A inline 6 theme as per the original S30 but with modern technology would be pretty kick ass, and quite honestly, who DOESNT like the sound of open itb's?

[racepar1]

im actually in the planning stages of a project involving a high comp N/A rb26 and an s30 chassis

why?

cuz i already have a gtr, and a spare complete rb26dett motor as well as a spare short block at hand

:D

besides, if i ever wanted to go stupid fast, id just take tge gtr out

keeping with the N/A inline 6 theme as per the original S30 but with modern technology would be pretty kick ass, and quite honestly, who DOESNT like the sound of open itb's?

DOOOOOODDDDEEEEEEEE!!! That is the PERFECT motor for a s-30 z! Uber sickness right there! Build it and make a build thread! I now know where I officially want to put a n/a itb rb26, in a 240z!

[rb25_s13*CHUKI]

What in hell is a cosing?


cosing Is the new word we use around here for cousin.. get with the program dude:keke:

[blu808]

Come on guys. on c16 gas and a proper na build we could see 350-400 whp on a usable road race car rb26 na engine.


Rb26 block
bored out to 93 mm with sleeves.
cp pistons 13.6-1 cr
manly forged aluminum rods with arp rod bolts
cnc girdle with arp main stud bolts
moly ring set
knife edge crank
remove crank weights
cryo treat crank
ported oil passegess
n1 oil pump
regrind cam. (overlap change, something na friendly)
Full ferrera titanium valve train.
ti valves intake and exh
ti valve springs (change every 5k miles lol)
ti retainers
ti locks
cometic custom bore head gasket
solid lifter conversion

Also...
hack up the stock rb26dett intake manifold for velocity stacks.


top all that with some torco oil.
rpsport haltech ecu
oil coolers, iridium plugs.


and $24k later. You have an engine that is Illigal for every racing class for anything that is NA but started out FI.

You also have an engine that wont run on anything but c16.

and its all worth it because I can just imagine how awesome this thing would sound.
Pure sex.


Yum

[ayuaddict]

how funny would it be if it ended up sounding like a V6 mustang or something.

now that would be irony.

[ESmorz]

how funny would it be if it ended up sounding like a V6 mustang or something.

now that would be irony.

Yoooooooooou just blew my mind.

http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/31A9SSJ78SL._SL500_AA280_.jpg

[Quail]

It would be kind of like neutering the engine since it comes with turbos, however you can get RB25s in NA form as standard. Would be an interesting NA build!

[Katsumbhong]

I applaud your imagination and creativity, but it would not be very cost effective at all.

If you are stateside and buying an RB26 with all included wiring and ECU, it's going to cost you a pretty penny. Depending on which RB26 you get, the GTR R32 has issues with oil flow through the head at higher RPM. You would have to do a considerable amount of work to the oiling system, valvetrain, and bottom end to make an engine designed for boost to make it a high-revving N/A beast.

If you are rich and have many many RB26 engines laying around, then go right ahead!

There is a Japanese Comany out there, forgot their name... starts with an "N" i think, and they made an ITB'd RB25 (N/A-based) R32 Nissan Skyline. It scooted around the track well.

[Antihero983]

Just something differrent. I guarantee you can get PLENTY of power out of a n/a itb rb26 as well. Why do people run n/a itb sr's? I mean they are cutting their engine's capabilities in half for god's sake! :eek2:

wait. SR's are capable?

OOOHHHHHHHHHH SNAP!

lol, i'd be too afraid to rev a SR with that janky valvetrain....

[Matej]

N/A motors can be cool.

Where can I buy one from these cars?

http://www.sdsefi.com/collin.jpg

[gunluvS14]

Option magazine had monthly series of NA RB26 BNR32 project.
It was like 3-4 years ago, and I think they've reached the 400hp goal.

[kouki-gymkhana]

RB26 with ITB's would be sick! Yes, you would lose alot of power unless you dump tons of $$$ into the head and raise the compression but N/A RBs sound awesome.

Case in point...
YouTube - RB25DE exhaust note (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JyVR8y8Z7LI)

Here's an RB25 with ITB's from down unda'
YouTube - Datsun 240Z RB25DE with ITB's First Start! (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4X0OpBWCX70)

Do it!

[tricky_ab]

The concept would be cool but it would be quite the money pit and the time needed to tune it for various conditions would drive me crazy.

[xplicit240]

oh man that sounds like sex!

[JVDSKYRINE]

UHHHH GOD... I say you buy your RB26dett throw it in your car and drive it. And then see if you have the balls to lose all your power and drop all your money into an engine to be different and for sound when you will get the exact same power that you threw in when you started.

And why the F wouldn't you just buy an RB30? and throw the RB26 head on It and make it N/A? At least you have a llittle more powers from the extra displacement. And then you have an RB30 which is rare and also a Rb26N/a head you could be twice as cool and twice as trendilly different.


Seriously everyone tryiing to be different I have a friend who threw an N/a 350z motor in his s13 and I said congrats on a $10,000 swap that gets beat by a stock SR.

YOur not the only one that can post cool vids in 240z's ( rips RB30det in AUS)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AxmUN6aGU3A&feature=related



Yeahhhh ITB"S sweet they have frickin ITB's already!!!!!!! .....END RANT

[ROUGE180]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EAXGuD_f3Kw

[Marcus]

hah. the op asked a yes or no question.




not would you, im going to, or i did. but have you ever seen one....

[TheWolf]

better to do a 1jz without turbos... atleast there's a 10k mail order valve train available...

[Bushido]

N/A High comp RB is the shit.

Spirit of the S20 lives in it.

[Darius]

Brilliant idea...a low compression I6...sounds about as fast as a Toyota Cressida minus .4L... Seriously people WTF are we thinking here? Spending $3500 on an RB26 and stripping it of its glory shows signs of mild retardation not to mention it is pure absurdity.

Here's a comparable idea, swap in a Ferrari V12, but pull the spark plugs out of 6 of the cylinders.

[Mi Beardo es Loco]

you're better off going with a vk56. Cheaper too.
But I agree, a ITB rb would be pretty kick ass but to build one would be a TON of money

[Future240]

YouTube - Hakosuka Skyline GTR (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EAXGuD_f3Kw)

I want to make sexy time with that engine:wackit:

[racepar1]

UHHHH GOD... I say you buy your RB26dett throw it in your car and drive it. And then see if you have the balls to lose all your power and drop all your money into an engine to be different and for sound when you will get the exact same power that you threw in when you started.

And why the F wouldn't you just buy an RB30? and throw the RB26 head on It and make it N/A? At least you have a llittle more powers from the extra displacement. And then you have an RB30 which is rare and also a Rb26N/a head you could be twice as cool and twice as trendilly different.


Seriously everyone tryiing to be different I have a friend who threw an N/a 350z motor in his s13 and I said congrats on a $10,000 swap that gets beat by a stock SR.

YOur not the only one that can post cool vids in 240z's ( rips RB30det in AUS)
YouTube - RIPS 240z street RB30 1st start up. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AxmUN6aGU3A&feature=related)



Yeahhhh ITB"S sweet they have frickin ITB's already!!!!!!! .....END RANT

If your buddy swapped a 350z engine into his s-13 and it gets beat by stock sr's then either your buddy screwed up royally on the swap somehow or there is something seriously wrong with his motor.

[Brian W.]

blu808...

RB26 has solid lifters from the factory.

[racepar1]

blu808...

RB26 has solid lifters from the factory.

HUH, I missed that. The rb has bucket style lifters, like the KADE's.

[blu808]

Shim over bucket from what i remember?

[racepar1]

Shim over bucket from what i remember?

Yup, same design as the kade. They should be upgraded to soild, coated, lifters with the shims under the bucket for high rpm use though.

[chibo]

Seriously everyone tryiing to be different I have a friend who threw an N/a 350z motor in his s13 and I said congrats on a $10,000 swap that gets beat by a stock SR.

Since when was it always about street racing?
YouTube - Hakosuka Skyline GTR (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EAXGuD_f3Kw)

Haha, that's my youtube account. :cj:

[Brian W.]

Yup, same design as the kade. They should be upgraded to soild, coated, lifters with the shims under the bucket for high rpm use though.



im pretty damn sure they are SOLID though.. as in not hydraulic. it is bucket style... but unlike the RB25 and VG30(and KA i guess, i never cared much about the KA) it is solid and requires shimming from the factory.

[racepar1]

im pretty damn sure they are SOLID though.. as in not hydraulic. it is bucket style... but unlike the RB25 and VG30(and KA i guess, i never cared much about the KA) it is solid and requires shimming from the factory.

There is a shim that is inserted into the bucket on top of the lifter. The camshaft rides on that shim. Not hydraulic, but still a 2-piece bucket, which is not solid. On the racing style solid bucket lifters the cam rides on the lifter itself and a small shim is inserted underrneath the lifter to set the valve clearence.

[Darius]

Here's the lowdown. I'm pretty sure that all OHC Nissan's have bucket style lifters. The bucket style can either be hydraulic or shimmed solid lifters. The shim is placed between the valve and bottom of the lifter bucket. The cam rides on the top of the bucket.

VG motors -hydro
RB20 -hydro
RB25 S1 and S2 -hydro
RB25 NEO -solid
RB26 -solid.
etc...

[atom]

I found a neat vid link in my bookmarks. RB25DE N/A built by NER. 285 PS.

http://omoide.sendaidouga.com/omoide5.htm

Click on the small pic of the R34 to see the vid. Tell me that isn't at least kinda cool.

[Brian W.]

.... in my book. If its not hydraulic... its solid.







and Ray said so.

[Brian W.]

Here's the lowdown. I'm pretty sure that all OHC Nissan's have bucket style lifters. The bucket style can either be hydraulic or shimmed solid lifters. The shim is placed between the valve and bottom of the lifter bucket. The cam rides on the top of the bucket.

VG motors -hydro
RB20 -hydro
RB25 S1 and S2 -hydro
RB25 NEO -solid
RB26 -solid.
etc...


you are probably correct except the SR20 motor does not use a bucket style.

the CA and all those others you listed do though.

[racepar1]

you are probably correct except the SR20 motor does not use a bucket style.

the CA and all those others you listed do though.

I don't think the singlecam vg's or ka's use bucket lifters either.

[Darius]

Yep you're right, but the VG DOHC motors are bucket style. Anywho...who wants to build a NA RB26? It'll be cool only because it sounds cool and earns uniqueness points. Then, after you're done dicking around with it and getting beat by hondas, ship it to me and I'll throw a turbo back on it :D LOL

[kingkilburn]

I think if I was going to go I6 I would go with the chevy Vortech 4200. It is like a big block I6.
YouTube - NOVA WAGON 4200 VORTEC INLINE 6 TURBO (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PUESVD-PnLo)
http://www.canadiandriver.com/articles/jk/images/vortec_4200_i6.jpg

[chibo]

I think if I was going to go I6 I would go with the chevy Vortech 4200. It is like a big block I6.
YouTube - NOVA WAGON 4200 VORTEC INLINE 6 TURBO (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PUESVD-PnLo)
http://www.canadiandriver.com/articles/jk/images/vortec_4200_i6.jpg
Toyota sold the 1FZ-FE in the 93-97 Land Cruisers. 4.5L very similar to the 2JZGTE. I believe it's done 800+whp on the stock bottom end over in Aussie/Dubai. :keke:

[kingkilburn]

Toyota sold the 1FZ-FE in the 93-97 Land Cruisers. 4.5L very similar to the 2JZGTE. I believe it's done 800+whp on the stock bottom end over in Aussie/Dubai. :keke:

Damn! Why has no body here swapped that shit? I would drop my VH for that shit. Do you have any pics of video of that?

[Brian W.]

I don't think the singlecam vg's or ka's use bucket lifters either.



quite possible... both of those motors fall under that "i dont care about" category though, haha.




All im saying is that the RB26 is already SOLID and doesnt need upgrade to Rev high.... sure the Tomei buckets are 1 gram lighter but you dont NEED them to rev the motors.

[racepar1]

quite possible... both of those motors fall under that "i dont care about" category though, haha.




All im saying is that the RB26 is already SOLID and doesnt need upgrade to Rev high.... sure the Tomei buckets are 1 gram lighter but you dont NEED them to rev the motors.

The main upgrade for high rpms is the coating. I only suggest the racing design because it is a better design for high rpm useage. You will probably not have a shim fly out of the stock lifter or anything like that. But if you are already in there then why not.

[LS240]

This idea certainly is cool simply for the novelty factor if nothing else. But in reality, just doesn't seem practical. I you want an NA ITB 6 cylinder, swap a VQ35 in and throw one of the already available ITB kits on there. Add cams, heads, manifolds, high comprsession pistons, maybe even a GTM hi rev stroker and you'd be looking at one nasty 6 cylinder that makes more than the RB26 ever could NA. And it would weigh a good 100-150lbs less than the RB to boot.

Or swap an LS1 in with ITBs and make more than either of the Nissan 6s could for a fraction of the price and still be lighter than an RB26.

Don't get me wrong, if you have the money, go for it. I think it would be sick and I'd love to see it, but in the real world when hard-earned money's on the line, it just wouldn't make sense.

Seriously everyone tryiing to be different I have a friend who threw an N/a 350z motor in his s13 and I said congrats on a $10,000 swap that gets beat by a stock SR.

Uh how do you figure that? Stock SR20, maybe 210hp. VQ35, 287hp + a more useable powerband. They're also almost equal in weight so that doesn't matter.

Damn! Why has no body here swapped that shit? I would drop my VH for that shit. Do you have any pics of video of that?

Because they're fucking big and heavy! Believe me I know. My mom has a 93 Land Cruiser and we just pulled the engine for rebuilding a few months ago. That thing is a beast in every respect. I'd almost be willing to bet money it wouldn't fit under a stock hood. I'd guess it also weighs at the very least 600lbs with accessories. Won't stop my mom from turbo or supercharging her truck though lol. :P

[blu808]

Back when I used to build 3sgte engines for mr2's if you didn't upgrade to a solid bucket then the shims would start flying out around 8.5k rpm.

It just so happened that the mr-s used a solid bucket lifter that happened to work in the 3sgte head.

[irax]

Seriously everyone tryiing to be different I have a friend who threw an N/a 350z motor in his s13 and I said congrats on a $10,000 swap that gets beat by a stock SR.



a 100% stock SR has 10 more hp than a stock KA, modifications just do more for it.


so I don't see how 140~ish WHP can beet 220ish whp in the same car.

if he spent 10k that sucks because the swap can be done for about 6k
right now i'm 4k into my swap and i'm going to try to budget another 1,500 more only because I am going to get it ref'd(when and if they open up) for legalization.

[Future240]

a 100% stock SR has 10 more hp than a stock KA, modifications just do more for it.


so I don't see how 140~ish WHP can beet 220ish whp in the same car.

if he spent 10k that sucks because the swap can be done for about 6k
right now i'm 4k into my swap and i'm going to try to budget another 1,500 more only because I am going to get it ref'd(when and if they open up) for legalization.

He was probably saying stock as in the sr you pull front a front clip that is boosted from the factory type of stock

[LS240]

He was probably saying stock as in the sr you pull front a front clip that is boosted from the factory type of stock

Even boosted from the factory it still has less power than a VQ35. That's the whole point. If you're talking about a BPU SR20, well, then that's not really stock now is it?

[rb25_s13*CHUKI]

a 100% stock SR has 10 more hp than a stock KA, modifications just do more for it.


so I don't see how 140~ish WHP can beet 220ish whp in the same car.

if he spent 10k that sucks because the swap can be done for about 6k
right now i'm 4k into my swap and i'm going to try to budget another 1,500 more only because I am going to get it ref'd(when and if they open up) for legalization.

take drugs much>? what the fuck kind of sr's do you have? 10 more hp than stock Ka? You talking about N/a sr? you got a Ka? Wanna bring It through real quick and I'll show you how bad my stock sr whoops you Ka?

[rb25_s13*CHUKI]

Even boosted from the factory it still has less power than a VQ35. That's the whole point. If you're talking about a BPU SR20, well, then that's not really stock now is it?

My old stock sr with side mount and stock exhaust In a fully loaded s13 hatch beats my friends 350z pretty bad for what it is and his cousins g35 sedan

[rb25_s13*CHUKI]

N/a rb26.. Do It...

[drift freaq]

My old stock sr with side mount and stock exhaust In a fully loaded s13 hatch beats my friends 350z pretty bad for what it is and his cousins g35 sedan

Anthony, the person that originally posted the VQ comment about the SR beating it was talking about a VQ in a S13 not in a Z33. Which is why both racepar1 and irax responded how they did.
Its true a VQ in a S13 should whip ass on a stock Sr in a S13 even stock ones boosted up to 9-10lbs.

Irax was also comparing a Stock NA SR which is rated at 140hp to a stock DOHC KA which is rated at 155. a 15 HP difference!
Not a SR20DET a SR20DE !

On the the topic of a S13 with a boosted SR vs a 350z shit of course its going to beat it your talking about a possible 250 hp in a 2600-2750 car vs a 300 HP in a 3100-3200 lb car thats basically 500 lbs more for 50 HP more.

Oh and on the Subject of VQ swaps anyone spending 10k to do the swap itself is smoking some serious crack. The swap at this time is around a 5k adventure at the most and the earlier engines are coming down in price.
10k to build a complete car with suspension, paint & body plus parts and swap? Sure. 10k for the swap itself. He fucked up.

[Brian W.]

Back when I used to build 3sgte engines for mr2's if you didn't upgrade to a solid bucket then the shims would start flying out around 8.5k rpm.

It just so happened that the mr-s used a solid bucket lifter that happened to work in the 3sgte head.


that does not happen in RB26s.

BUT im going to look into your 3SGTE using MRS bucket thing.... :bigok:

[irax]

Irax was also comparing a Stock NA SR which is rated at 140hp to a stock DOHC KA which is rated at 155. a 15 HP difference!
Not a SR20DET a SR20DE !

no no no no

I AM TALKING ABOUT 100% STOCK SR TURBO! FACTORY AIR FILTER, FACTORY BOOST! AND STOCK EXHAUST! FACTORY EVERYTHING! SMOG HOOKED UP, EVERY THING STOCK!


will produce about 140-145(S13 SR redtop) wheel horse power which is right for a ~15% power train loss vs CRANK hp. s14 black top or s13 black top or s15 do produce more power, and higher end ones do produce more than 200whp stock.

and a stock KA produces about 130-135 depending on sohc,dohc,s14

so again, do tell me HOW DOES 150 WHP (being generous) will beat 220 WHP IN THE SAME CAR!

[trsilvias13]

no no no no

I AM TALKING ABOUT 100% STOCK SR TURBO! FACTORY AIR FILTER, FACTORY BOOST! AND STOCK EXHAUST! FACTORY EVERYTHING! SMOG HOOKED UP, EVERY THING STOCK!


will produce about 140-145(S13 SR redtop) wheel horse power which is right for a ~15% power train loss vs CRANK hp. s14 black top or s13 black top or s15 do produce more power, and higher end ones do produce more than 200whp stock.

and a stock KA produces about 130-135 depending on sohc,dohc,s14

so again, do tell me HOW DOES 150 WHP (being generous) will beat 220 WHP IN THE SAME CAR!



you did know s13 red or black is the same hp right?

i made 170rwhp on a stock (down to intake box) with a s13 redtop.

[slider2828]

6 Banger RB NA would be pretty cool in a 240z or something, but not in a 240sx. Personally I would love to see it in a 240z, just old school tuning or even in a 4 door Skyrine.... haahah...

[slider2828]

Oh well here, this wasn't posted in regular chat but premie chat, but anyways. Here is a REAL Nismo N1 SR20DE Silvia with 7km on the dial... Which I should mention is for sale.... Ima drooling if I had the money.

N1 Race Base Silvias only came in white stock
http://i28.photobucket.com/albums/c242/gaert/IMG_6606.jpg

Hmm Seats still in factory plastic?
http://i28.photobucket.com/albums/c242/gaert/IMG_6607.jpg

Nice Interior Mint as can be, but too bad he left the windows down and lost the new car smell..... That is worth its weight in gold
http://i28.photobucket.com/albums/c242/gaert/IMG_6608.jpg

Odometer check anyone?
http://i28.photobucket.com/albums/c242/gaert/IMG_6609.jpg

For your viewing pleasure, this is a N1 Race Base R32 from the factory..
http://i28.photobucket.com/albums/c242/gaert/IMG_6612.jpg

This was some of the pictures I took while visiting a vendor of ours in Suzuka.

[irax]

you did know s13 red or black is the same hp right?

i made 170rwhp on a stock (down to intake box) with a s13 redtop.

yeah...umm. no they don't. s13 red top was rated at 178IIRC crank hp
black top s13 sr was rated at 210 and then the factory Sil80 was rated at like 240 something

[SoSideways]

yeah...umm. no they don't. s13 red top was rated at 178IIRC crank hp
black top s13 sr was rated at 210 and then the factory Sil80 was rated at like 240 something

What?

All the S13 SRs, red top and black top, were rated at like 202 hp @ like 6200rpm or something like that from the factory.

I have never seen the red top being advertised as 178 hp anywhere, ever.

[irax]

really? then the predominately PRO SR super street is wrong in all their dyno run builds and info. Every time they have dyno'd a health redtop sr they talk about its 170 something crank hp and they show the dyno's of the stock SR at ~140 something but at the end of the build they spend around $1400 and end at 215+ whp on the same dyno. The black tops do have more power other wise whats the point for joe blow in america to buy a black top s13 sr over a redtop sr which is usualy a good $700 to $1000 cheaper

[SoSideways]

really? then the predominately PRO SR super street is wrong in all their dyno run builds and info. Every time they have dyno'd a health redtop sr they talk about its 170 something crank hp and they show the dyno's of the stock SR at ~140 something but at the end of the build they spend around $1400 and end at 215+ whp on the same dyno. The black tops do have more power other wise whats the point for joe blow in america to buy a black top s13 sr over a redtop sr which is usualy a good $700 to $1000 cheaper

Jesus.

I thought we went over this already?

The S13 black top motors were in the 180sx, which did not get axed in 1994 when the S13 Silvia was axed.

When they axed the S13 Silvia and went to the S14, a small amount of S14s got red tops, but 99.5% of them got the zenki S14 VVT SR, while the 180sx continued to get the S13 motor.

But to let people know of some newer parts going into the S13 black top motor, like the new oil pick up and 54C internals, they went with the black valve cover.

It's the same frigging turbo, cams, and boost solenoid, how do they magically make more power than the S13 red top?

And S13 black tops cost more because they're generally newer and in better shape than your run of the mill red top.

Geez dude, you've been here since 2003 and you don't know these things already? Where've you been?


Edit -

Just so you know, I dynoed my SR, and it put down like 205hp and like 215 ft-lbs of tq at 14psi, dropping to 8psi towards the top end and running way rich. It's not the best condition type dyno, since I've discovered an exhaust leak at the head/manifold when I took my T25 off couple of weeks ago (which could have been present at the time of the dyno, causing the car to run rich), and I didn't change out the spark plugs.

Edit #2 -

Can we drop this SR/KA bullshit and get back to the ITB RB26 please?

[Oo_Skyline_oO]

really? then the predominately PRO SR super street is wrong in all their dyno run builds and info. Every time they have dyno'd a health redtop sr they talk about its 170 something crank hp and they show the dyno's of the stock SR at ~140 something but at the end of the build they spend around $1400 and end at 215+ whp on the same dyno. The black tops do have more power other wise whats the point for joe blow in america to buy a black top s13 sr over a redtop sr which is usualy a good $700 to $1000 cheaper

Dude your info is just WRONG lol yes, SR's are pretty weak stock, but they're not 140whp. I think you read the article about the CA18 making 140WHP, that's ture but 160-170WHP is average for a stock redtop or blacktop SR, a blacktop S14 SR won't even make 200WHP, now an S15 SR will make 215WHP. As for the guy who said a stock SR will beat a stock VQ in an S13 chasis???? thats some pretty big BS unless the driver of the vq is on crack. And 10k on a vq swap?? sure, its somewhat reasonable but only if you pay a shop to do it professionally.

Back on the subject, RB26 ITB??? its already been done..............FACTORY BY NISSAN, it would be unique but it would be more along the lines of "WTF?????? WHY????" Now an RB30 with 26 heads hi comp, NOW we're talking, I can't find the video of it but its been done many times in australia, and it sounds nothing short of amazing.

[JVDSKYRINE]

Since when was it always about street racing?




Who said anything about street racing fool!!! I probably know because I have a 350z with a 75 shot, skyline gts-t, 180sx, and a stock ka 24 in my garage. Also building an RB30det with an Rb25 head. And I know which is faster so don't be a bitch. He is thinking of building an engine do you think he plans on finishing and parking it in his garage and staring at it? Usually you build an engine for power am I correct?

Anyways as to your build if you really feel its what your heart desires and you have the cash for a 400whp all motor RB26 then I am sure we would all love to see it. make sure to post pics and vids for us. Try to find a sponsor haha cuz engine builds are expensive.

[trsilvias13]

wow for a long time member with many post, i thought your knowledge would be better than what you just wrote.

factory rating is 205 regardless red or black s13 wise. black top is better because it is newer and probably have fairly lower mileage.

And do not bring up the sil80 thing, that thing gets me mad. IT was never a nissan oem car. Next I will hear is that they came with all the cool stuff like non projector, hardtop with no sunroof, kouki tail lights, full aero from factory, etc... - that is how everyone who wants to build a sil80 to be (accumulating all the cool parts that just a jdm fan boy thing)

[racepar1]

And do not bring up the sil80 thing, that thing gets me mad. IT was never a nissan oem car. Next I will hear is that they came with all the cool stuff like non projector, hardtop with no sunroof, kouki tail lights, full aero from factory, etc... - that is how everyone who wants to build a sil80 to be (accumulating all the cool parts that just a jdm fan boy thing)

That is like saying that the s-13 convertibles are not OE nissan products, nissan didn't actually build them in-house either. It is an official nissan LISCENCED product, that makes it OE.

As far as the OEM hp rating for s-13 SR's I think irax is right. Remember the specs are from japan and the japanese do not measure "hp" they measure "ps". It is rated from the factory at 205ps NOT 205hp.

EDIT: I found a conversion calculator to convert ps to hp and it only brought it down to 202hp, my bad.

[rb25_s13*CHUKI]

really? then the predominately PRO SR super street is wrong in all their dyno run builds and info. Every time they have dyno'd a health redtop sr they talk about its 170 something crank hp and they show the dyno's of the stock SR at ~140 something but at the end of the build they spend around $1400 and end at 215+ whp on the same dyno. The black tops do have more power other wise whats the point for joe blow in america to buy a black top s13 sr over a redtop sr which is usualy a good $700 to $1000 cheaper

You do not know much do you? s13 red top and s13 black top make same exact power..

JDM Nissan motor S13 S14 S15 RB25 RB26 KA24 (http://www.extremejdm.com/nissan_engine1.htm)

JDM Motor for Nissan - CA18DET SKYLINE RB20DET R32 RB25DET R33 RB25DET R34 RB26DETT SR20DET S13 Black Top S13 RED TOP S14 Black Top S15 Black Top Blue Bird GTIR VG30DE (http://www.jazzproparts.com/category_s/17.htm)

jdm source // inventory (http://www.jdmsource.ca/v2/product.asp?ID=28)

jdm source // inventory (http://www.jdmsource.ca/v2/product.asp?ID=53)

S14 and s15 black tops make more power yes but s13 red and s13 black are the same exact thing..

I've seen nothing but problems with black tops excluding s15 black top.. I would much rather build a red top then any black top..

what you read probably said they made 175-180 at the wheels... You sound just like a SR hater.. Oh they are turbo and only make 15 more Hp then our awesome ka's that throw rods every chance they get.. I've seen so many ka's blow In my red tops life.. friends blew atleast 13 Ka's all together.. Single cams are A-Ok but dual cams Can't take abuse..


If you think It takes $1400 to build a 220whp Sr then you are on drugs.. Give me $1400 and I'll get you a 300+Rwhp SR

[Nis240]

Anthony, the person that originally posted the VQ comment about the SR beating it was talking about a VQ in a S13 not in a Z33. Which is why both racepar1 and irax responded how they did.
Its true a VQ in a S13 should whip ass on a stock Sr in a S13 even stock ones boosted up to 9-10lbs.

Irax was also comparing a Stock NA SR which is rated at 140hp to a stock DOHC KA which is rated at 155. a 15 HP difference!
Not a SR20DET a SR20DE !

On the the topic of a S13 with a boosted SR vs a 350z shit of course its going to beat it your talking about a possible 250 hp in a 2600-2750 car vs a 300 HP in a 3100-3200 lb car thats basically 500 lbs more for 50 HP more.

Oh and on the Subject of VQ swaps anyone spending 10k to do the swap itself is smoking some serious crack. The swap at this time is around a 5k adventure at the most and the earlier engines are coming down in price.
10k to build a complete car with suspension, paint & body plus parts and swap? Sure. 10k for the swap itself. He fucked up.

Actually i know the guy JVD is talking about so ill let you know a few things.

Stock SR's up here at 2000ft dyno about 210-240 WHP with a front mount and the boost turned up. VQ's in G35's dyno 195-210 WHP and some of even have Short Ram intakes. So you can how it could get beat by some random punk with a SR and a boost controller.


The engine alone cost $4500 shipped up from the states (I should know i went to pick it up from the warehouse) and that doesnt include driveshaft, clutch/Flywheel, mounts, exhaust and all the other things that nickel and dime you when you are doing a not so common swap.

Shit is expensive when your buying all new parts and dont live in the US where the population is about 10X that of Canada and there are about 100X more part in stock or good condition used stuff.

[racepar1]

Stock SR's dyno about 210-240 WHP with a front mount and the boost turned up. VQ's in G35's dyno 195-210 WHP and some of even have Short Ram intakes. So you can how it could get beat by some random punk with a SR and a boost controller.

That is one strong SR and one weak VQ. Even the fwd vq is rated at about 260bhp which would be about 230whp or so. Now if he did a shitty swap and didn't get the vvt working with a fwd vq then MAYBE your power estimations are close to correct.

[chibo]

Stock SR's up here at 2000ft dyno about 210-240 WHP with a front mount and the boost turned up. VQ's in G35's dyno 195-210 WHP and some of even have Short Ram intakes. So you can how it could get beat by some random punk with a SR and a boost controller.
Let's see the difference of power under the curve.

[McRussellPants]

Come on guys. on c16 gas and a proper na build we could see 350-400 whp on a usable road race car rb26 na engine.


Rb26 block
bored out to 93 mm with sleeves.
cp pistons 13.6-1 cr
manly forged aluminum rods with arp rod bolts
cnc girdle with arp main stud bolts
moly ring set
knife edge crank
remove crank weights
cryo treat crank
ported oil passegess
n1 oil pump
regrind cam. (overlap change, something na friendly)
Full ferrera titanium valve train.
ti valves intake and exh
ti valve springs (change every 5k miles lol)
ti retainers
ti locks
cometic custom bore head gasket
solid lifter conversion

Also...
hack up the stock rb26dett intake manifold for velocity stacks.


top all that with some torco oil.
rpsport haltech ecu
oil coolers, iridium plugs.


and $24k later. You have an engine that is Illigal for every racing class for anything that is NA but started out FI.

You also have an engine that wont run on anything but c16.

and its all worth it because I can just imagine how awesome this thing would sound.
Pure sex.


Yum

lol, how it'd sound shitting a rod out at 11k since the oil pump gave up at 8k?

cool mods list duddeeeeeee

[McRussellPants]

Let's see the difference of power under the curve.

Turbo SR20 vs NA RB26?

and you're talking about power under the curve.

"look at that power under the curve" on a car that comes up at 4500rpm and redlines at 8k.

sick

[CursedGTR]

lol, how it'd sound shitting a rod out at 11k since the oil pump gave up at 8k?

cool mods list duddeeeeeee

I would agree that the N1 pump is not able to be used in an application like this with any kind of reliability, however, most pump failure was linked to the inadequate key on the crank snout in R32 editions of the RB26. This was later fixed on R33 cranks.

Anyways, the Exvitermini GTR spins the GTR-700 RB26 at about 13.5K without a dry sump so I would imagine that it is very much possible to get a reliable pump that will perform in those conditions. You might want to specify under what conditions you are referring to the pump giving out.

The only thing I would say to fix it would be the oil restirctor will need to be installed, the HKS pump or Greddy Pump would be good, use an R33 Crank and do the oil drain back mod and you would probably be more than good for oil shit and it might even prove to be overkill.

The mines tuned GTR spins to 10K with turbo's and does not have any crazy oil mods and is not losing oil pumps at the cyclics rate. I wonder how??

My RB26 is built to spin to 10K and pump failure is the last thing on my mind. I wonder why??

[aNskY]

bunch of geniuses in this thread..

blu808 - thats what i was thinking. LOL

[spiderlone]

I've seen nothing but problems with black tops excluding s15 black top.. I would much rather build a red top then any black top..

what you read probably said they made 175-180 at the wheels... You sound just like a SR hater.. Oh they are turbo and only make 15 more Hp then our awesome ka's that throw rods every chance they get.. I've seen so many ka's blow In my red tops life.. friends blew atleast 13 Ka's all together.. Single cams are A-Ok but dual cams Can't take abuse..




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yup...thats tru.. i have gone tru somany KA's in till i when SR.
Anthony seen my back yard full of blown KA's................alot

[Future240]

I've seen nothing but problems with black tops excluding s15 black top.. I would much rather build a red top then any black top..

what you read probably said they made 175-180 at the wheels... You sound just like a SR hater.. Oh they are turbo and only make 15 more Hp then our awesome ka's that throw rods every chance they get.. I've seen so many ka's blow In my red tops life.. friends blew atleast 13 Ka's all together.. Single cams are A-Ok but dual cams Can't take abuse..



yup...thats tru.. i have gone tru somany KA's in till i when SR.
Anthony seen my back yard full of blown KA's................alot

I'm sure the folks at KA-T.org would disagree. If you build the KA up it can be just as much of a beast as an SR. I am not for one more than another, I think they both have thier weaknesses and their strenghts imo

[1985zcar]

I turbo'd my KA and it did fine, I just ended up taking it off because I was sick of all the little problems I kept having because I did a cheap turbo set up.

[racepar1]

I've seen nothing but problems with black tops excluding s15 black top.. I would much rather build a red top then any black top..

what you read probably said they made 175-180 at the wheels... You sound just like a SR hater.. Oh they are turbo and only make 15 more Hp then our awesome ka's that throw rods every chance they get.. I've seen so many ka's blow In my red tops life.. friends blew atleast 13 Ka's all together.. Single cams are A-Ok but dual cams Can't take abuse..




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yup...thats tru.. i have gone tru somany KA's in till i when SR.
Anthony seen my back yard full of blown KA's................alot


What the hell are you doing to kill all those KA's? KA's are absolutely NOT prone to blowing up without some SERIOUS provocation.

[racer98]

oh well here, this wasn't posted in regular chat but premie chat, but anyways. Here is a real nismo n1 sr20de silvia with 7km on the dial... Which i should mention is for sale.... Ima drooling if i had the money.

N1 race base silvias only came in white stock
http://i28.photobucket.com/albums/c242/gaert/img_6606.jpg

hmm seats still in factory plastic?
http://i28.photobucket.com/albums/c242/gaert/img_6607.jpg

nice interior mint as can be, but too bad he left the windows down and lost the new car smell..... That is worth its weight in gold
http://i28.photobucket.com/albums/c242/gaert/img_6608.jpg

odometer check anyone?
http://i28.photobucket.com/albums/c242/gaert/img_6609.jpg

for your viewing pleasure, this is a n1 race base r32 from the factory..
http://i28.photobucket.com/albums/c242/gaert/img_6612.jpg

this was some of the pictures i took while visiting a vendor of ours in suzuka.

y.a.j

ftw.

[racer98]

I would like to add to this thread

1) Rocky Auto - Japan
2) R32 AUTEC RB26DE - N1 motor w/o turbos but Auto only.
3) SR20DET with a P12 SSS head swaped on or SR16VE Head swaped onto a RWD head.


as for the ITB set up trick set up is to use the AE111 20V 44mm ITB's swap the pistons out for some higer compression ones , use an JUN/HKS or Tomei Oil pump. take the motor to the next level. Oh ya it wont be smog legal ,cuz its going into a 72 XXX XXXXX.

[spiderlone]

What the hell are you doing to kill all those KA's? KA's are absolutely NOT prone to blowing up without some SERIOUS provocation.

KAs can't take my heavy foot.. they would probly last me a month
and then,,,,RODDDDdddd KNOCKKKKK..........

[spiderlone]

I'm sure the folks at KA-T.org would disagree. If you build the KA up it can be just as much of a beast as an SR. I am not for one more than another, I think they both have thier weaknesses and their strenghts imo

I have done a KA-T , n all that money and time put in it..
i could of had a faster SR.. Dont get me wrong KA-Ts have
ther power but it comes with a cost,,,....$$$$$$$

[slider2828]

What does y.a.j. mean?

y.a.j

ftw.

[racepar1]

KAs can't take my heavy foot.. they would probly last me a month
and then,,,,RODDDDdddd KNOCKKKKK..........

If you are getting rod knock after only a month then you need tuning and are probably running too much boost for the stock compression. 9 times out of 10 the reason that ka-t's don't last is because the person building them is cheap and/or stupid.

[Antihero983]

KAs can't take my heavy foot.. they would probly last me a month
and then,,,,RODDDDdddd KNOCKKKKK..........

Sounds to me like you're driving like an idiot. I've had the same KA for 3.5 years now, and its even been through drifting AND AutoX.

Did you not get your engine tuned?

Oh and dude, feel free to use some actual english and grammar skills and any point and time.

[SoSideways]

I think he keeps forgetting to put oil in his KA.

That or run the KA at redline with 87 octane on 100 degree days.

[racepar1]

Sounds to me like you're driving like an idiot. I've had the same KA for 3.5 years now, and its even been through drifting AND AutoX.

Did you not get your engine tuned?

Oh and dude, feel free to use some actual english and grammar skills and any point and time.

Seriously man! I beat the living shit out of my ka and have had it for about the same amount of time as yours. I even let the oil change go to 10,000 a couple times and 5000-7500 mi regularly. When I used to run canyons there is one road where I was between 6k and 7k rpm for like 7 of the 10 miles of the road, I ran that road 2-4 times per week for about a year! I even missed a water pump leak untill I blew the damn head gasket, and it STILL doesn't die.

EDIT: Oh ya I have a dual cam, which according to catastrophic failure ka boy "can't take the abuse"!

[rb25_s13*CHUKI]

I think he keeps forgetting to put oil in his KA.

That or run the KA at redline with 87 octane on 100 degree days.

No he keeps oil In his ka... Nothing but 91 goes into his cars and If the Engine can't handle redline then Its a piece.

With that said. Ka's aren't reliable unless you take the time to rebuild It. every now and then you find your lucky Ka

[racepar1]

No he keeps oil In his ka... Nothing but 91 goes into his cars and If the Engine can't handle redline then Its a piece.

With that said. Ka's aren't reliable unless you take the time to rebuild It. every now and then you find your lucky Ka

I'm sorry dude, but you are smoking crack! I have seen people trying very hard to blow up ka's multiple times un-successfully. Short of draining all the oil and running it at redline for like 10 mins the only way to kill one is to slap a cheezy turbo "kit" on it and absolutely ignore anything resembling tuning. It sounds to me like your buddy is cheaping out on tuning and overboosting the motors. Apparently he is too dim to use common sense to figure out WHY he keeps blowing up reliable motors.

[spiderlone]

Sounds to me like you're driving like an idiot. I've had the same KA for 3.5 years now, and its even been through drifting AND AutoX.

Did you not get your engine tuned?

Oh and dude, feel free to use some actual english and grammar skills and any point and time.

This guy...hhahahhahah .. you know what ,,, Bete a la CHINGADA ..
find that out.. and bring me ur KA ill show u what it can relly do..

[spiderlone]

I'm sorry dude, but you are smoking crack! I have seen people trying very hard to blow up ka's multiple times un-successfully. Short of draining all the oil and running it at redline for like 10 mins the only way to kill one is to slap a cheezy turbo "kit" on it and absolutely ignore anything resembling tuning. It sounds to me like your buddy is cheaping out on tuning and overboosting the motors. Apparently he is too dim to use common sense to figure out WHY he keeps blowing up reliable motors.
Yo,,, Anthony tell him^^^ what kind of turbo i go..
and how much work went in to that KA-T ...

[SoSideways]

Yo,,, Anthony tell him^^^ what kind of turbo i go..
and how much work went in to that KA-T ...

You can't do it yourself?

And you resort to typing in (I'm assuming here) Spanish when people ask you to type in proper English?

Wow... you sir, are starting to sound like a real tool.

"Hey henchmen, type my reply for me."

[spiderlone]

You can't do it yourself?

And you resort to typing in (I'm assuming here) Spanish when people ask you to type in proper English?

Wow... you sir, are starting to sound like a real tool.

"Hey henchmen, type my reply for me."


Its a long list. How about i just show u a pic
then u can see......N yeah... somuch for that....


I got swaps to do... latezzzz

[racer98]

This guy...hhahahhahah .. you know what ,,, Bete a la CHINGADA ..
find that out.. and bring me ur KA ill show u what it can relly do..



Honestly man can you guys cut the crap with the CHINGADA bs, better yet can you be kind enough to tell us about the good things about mexico,central and latin america has to offer instead of ignorance that seems to follow everyone around. I would like one day to visit mexico and see all of the sweet palces it has to offer !.


can we get back on topic ?

[rb25_s13*CHUKI]

Honestly man can you guys cut the crap with the CHINGADA bs, better yet can you be kind enough to tell us about the good things about mexico,central and latin america has to offer instead of ignorance that seems to follow everyone around. I would like one day to visit mexico and see all of the sweet palces it has to offer !.


can we get back on topic ?

Look racist fuck, Why don't you get your ass back on topic and stop bringing race Into this. What does race have to do with this? I dunno what mexico,central and latin america has to offer but I know What I can offer you..

[racer98]

Look racist fuck, Why don't you get your ass back on topic and stop bringing race Into this. What does race have to do with this? I dunno what mexico,central and latin america has to offer but I know What I can offer you..

um , yah like it was directed at you. read it how you want. ok go and get your gun and smoke me. plz was not intreted at you either. chiped on shoulder I BET naw got no beef with you just a thread that started about a nice project and all i asked was you guys keep it on topic an all of this bollas inflada bs crap yo guys start bsing about


racicst , that wasnt racist. did you like read my post ?

chill out. btw if this is the mental capacity you have while yoiur riding your bike might want to put your self up on a organ donor list since ___________.

[JVDSKYRINE]

how come theres a 2 bump nazi in the for sale threads?

but shit like this can go on for 3 pages off topic?

[racer98]

how come theres a 2 bump nazi in the for sale threads?

but shit like this can go on for 3 pages off topic?

Idk but + 1 what you said.


Certain demographic of people just found the Internets and just take every comment in vain so much

as for the OP topic

yes ITB set up can be set up a couple of different ways on a NA RB26


it really just comes down to what engine management you want to run. Any one with this set up wants to spend least amount of $

You can do a home made set up with the Toyota AE111 ITB.
TWM set up just is in another price range still excellent set up but cost is the factor

You can still use the stock ITB on the GT-R but you will need to get an aftermarket MAP set up to run with. I have seen other set up ran but I don’t want to get involved in talking about another motor that is completely unrelated to the topic.

[ThatGuy]

how come theres a 2 bump nazi in the for sale threads?

but shit like this can go on for 3 pages off topic?

If you wish to remain a member of Zilvia.net, I will ask you not to refer to any member of the staff as a "nazi" again.

Now to answer your question.

There is a set rule in the For Sale section, that lazy people seem not to be able to read, that states you may not bump your thread or have it bumped more then twice. There is not, however, a set rule on much stupidity can exist in a thread before we close it.

Instead of whining about it, report the thread and then stay out of it.

This is now over.