Obama... citizen... not a citizen... WTF?

[DOOK]

http://www.americasright.com/2008/08...a-federal.html (http://www.americasright.com/2008/08/obama-sued-in-philadelphia-federal.html)

Interesting...

A prominent Philadelphia attorney and Hillary Clinton supporter filed suit this afternoon in the U.S. District Court for the Eastern District of Pennsylvania against Illinois Sen. Barack Obama, the Democratic National Committee and the Federal Election Commission. The action seeks an injunction preventing the senator from continuing his candidacy and a court order enjoining the DNC from nominating him next week, all on grounds that Sen. Obama is constitutionally ineligible to run for and hold the office of President of the United States.

Philip Berg, the filing attorney, is a former gubernatorial and senatorial candidate, former chair of the Democratic Party in Montgomery (PA) County, former member of the Democratic State Committee, and former Deputy Attorney General of Pennsylvania. According to Berg, he filed the suit--just days before the DNC is to hold its nominating convention in Denver--for the health of the Democratic Party.

"I filed this action at this time," Berg stated, "to avoid the obvious problems that will occur when the Republican Party raises these issues after Obama is nominated.".

Berg cited a number of unanswered questions regarding the Illinois senator's background, and in today's lawsuit maintained that Sen. Obama is not a natural born U.S. citizen or that, if he ever was, he lost his citizenship when he was adopted in Indonesia. Berg also cites what he calls "dual loyalties" due to his citizenship and ties with Kenya and Indonesia.

Even if Sen. Obama can prove his U.S. citizenship, Berg stated, citing the senator's use of a birth certificate from the state of Hawaii verified as a forgery by three independent document forensic experts, the issue of "multi-citizenship with responsibilities owed to and allegiance to other countries" remains on the table.

In the lawsuit, Berg states that Sen. Obama was born in Kenya, and not in Hawaii as the senator maintains. Before giving birth, according to the lawsuit, Obama's mother traveled to Kenya with his father but was prevented from flying back to Hawaii because of the late stage of her pregnancy, "apparently a normal restriction to avoid births during a flight." As Sen. Obama's own paternal grandmother, half-brother and half-sister have also claimed, Berg maintains that Stanley Ann Dunham--Obama's mother--gave birth to little Barack in Kenya and subsequently flew to Hawaii to register the birth.

Berg cites inconsistent accounts of Sen. Obama's birth, including reports that he was born at two separate hospitals--Kapiolani Hospital and Queens Hospital--in Honolulu, as well a profound lack of birthing records for Stanley Ann Dunham, though simple "registry of birth" records for Barack Obama are available in a Hawaiian public records office.

Should Sen. Obama truly have been born in Kenya, Berg writes, the laws on the books at the time of his birth hold that U.S. citizenship may only pass to a child born overseas to a U.S. citizen parent and non-citizen parent if the former was at least 19 years of age. Sen. Obama's mother was only 18 at the time. Therefore, because U.S. citizenship could not legally be passed on to him, Obama could not be registered as a "natural born" citizen and would therefore be ineligible to seek the presidency pursuant to Article II, Section 1 of the United States Constitution.

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_R-l1iejogZw/SK7ZGOcOblI/AAAAAAAAAxs/hkDPpTMo6Xc/s400/Berg+v+Obama+Page+1.jpg (http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_R-l1iejogZw/SK7ZGOcOblI/AAAAAAAAAxs/hkDPpTMo6Xc/s1600-h/Berg+v+Obama+Page+1.jpg)

Moreover, even if Sen. Obama could have somehow been deemed "natural born," that citizenship was lost in or around 1967 when he and his mother took up residency in Indonesia, where Stanley Ann Dunham married Lolo Soetoro, an Indonesian citizen. Berg also states that he possesses copies of Sen. Obama's registration to Fransiskus Assisi School In Jakarta, Indonesia which clearly show that he was registered under the name "Barry Soetoro" and his citizenship listed as Indonesian.

The Hawaiian birth certificate, Berg says, is a forgery. In the suit, the attorney states that the birth certificate on record is a forgery, has been identified as such by three independent document forensic experts, and actually belonged to Maya Kasandra Soetoro, Sen. Obama's half-sister.

"Voters donated money, goods and services to elect a nominee and were defrauded by Sen. Obama's lies and obfuscations," Berg stated. "If the DNC officers ... had performed one ounce of due diligence we would not find ourselves in this emergency predicament, one week away from making a person the nominee who has lost their citizenship as a child and failed to even perform the basic steps of regaining citizenship as prescribed by constitutional laws."

"It is unfair to the country," he continued, "for candidates of either party to become the nominee when there is any question of the ability to serve if elected."

JUST TO BE CLEAR, I PERSONALLY HOLD NO POLITICAL AFFILIATIONS AND COULDN"T CARE LESS, BUT THOUGHT IT WAS INTERESTING THIS WAS ALL BROUGHT ABOUT BY A FELLOW PARTY MEMBER.

[240trainee]

JUST TO BE CLEAR, I PERSONALLY HOLD NO POLITICAL AFFILIATIONS AND COULDN"T CARE LESS, BUT THOUGHT IT WAS INTERESTING THIS WAS ALL BROUGHT ABOUT BY A FELLOW PARTY MEMBER.

Very much so, I will as well.

Odd we hadn't heard about this earlier.

[stiizy]

Good i hope he can't run i dont want him in office anyway...

I know i'm gonna get shit for this so fucking save it i don't wanna hear it...

[DOOK]

as I said, I hold no affiliation, but with the recent swing in female votes because of sarah palin, this only spells trouble for the democrats even further...

[ryguy]

Good i hope he can't run i dont want him in office anyway...

I know i'm gonna get shit for this so fucking save it i don't wanna hear it...

You won't get shit from me. I enjoy living in a non-socialist country.

[yudalicious]

isn't there also controversy about mccain? he was born in the panama canal zone in 1938, and it wasn't until 1953 that Congress passed a law specifying that children born with an American parent in the zone are considered citizens.

seems kinda lame, why file a suit now and make up an excuse like he's doing the democrats a favor? kinda tacky in that aspect.

[stiizy]

^^ Closer to Election day and it's supposed to fuck up his votes..

People will look at him differently and Sway voter towards McCain

[240trainee]

the recent swing in female votes because of sarah palin


God, this annoys the everliving shit out of me.

The two women couldn't be any more different politically.

Fucking stupid people.

p.s. not you DOOK, the situation.

[BustedS13]

there is absolutely no way in hell the democratic party wouldn't have caught this beforehand.

snopes.com: Is Barack Obama a natural-born citizen of the U.S.? (http://www.snopes.com/politics/obama/citizen.asp)

Obama was born in Hawaii. Hawaii was a state when Obama was born. Obama is a U.S. born, U.S. citizen.

[DOOK]

Obama was born in Hawaii. Hawaii was a state when Obama was born. Obama is a U.S. born, U.S. citizen.

if you read the article, the guy claims to have 3 seperate forensic experts saying his Hawaiian paperwork are forgeries... and then it goes on to talk about him forfeiting his citizenship if he had it when he was adopted into Indonesia or something...

[stiizy]

Obama aint a Citizen....................


Oh well........

[Matej]

Sweet, another irrelevant thing for people to moan and whine about, and pointlessly argue to no end.

[Phlip]

I heard that Obama was secretly a Muslim too

[Mi Beardo es Loco]

Sounds like someone doesn't like black people. lol.

It's just another case of people to paint him to be unamerican when he's very much so american and more in touch with average Americans than McCain ever will be.
It just baffles me how less than 27% of Americans approve of GW Bush but McCain actually has a LEGIT shot at the presidency. McCain is turning this race into a personality contest.
Plus, he's banking on his voters being ignorant in his stint in Congress. His past in Congress includes agreeing with Bush 89% of the time, voting against EVERY (12) energy bills that would take the power away from lobbyists and having a HUGE history of voting against bills that would give veterans better healthcare, living, and education after the military. Not only that but he's made it very public priar to the RNC that he was going to nominate Joe Leiberman as his Vice but crumbled in the conservative wave. Just baffling.

[LB.Motoring]

hahah BARRY OBAMA, DUNHAM _______________________________DOT COM!

[BustedS13]

I heard that Obama was secretly a Muslim too

did you know his middle name is "Hussein?" that's like that one guy.

wait... wait a minute....

John McCain...
John Wilkes Booth...

holy shit.

[Bobafreak]

here we goooo lol

[lucky7]

ive taken a break from listening to the political noise. my aching finger has taken my mind off alot of things lately.

[rubelcon]

God, this annoys the everliving shit out of me.

The two women couldn't be any more different politically.

Fucking stupid people.

p.s. not you DOOK, the situation.

Totally concur. Like it's been stated before, voting should require IQ testing.

[SexPanda]

did you know his middle name is "Hussein?" that's like that one guy.

wait... wait a minute....

John McCain...
John Wilkes Booth...

holy shit.

So John McCain is going to kill the president... Wait. John McCain is going to become the president, and he's going to kill... HIMSELF?!

You my good sir have just stumbled upon the entire secret plan the Illuminati have made for our country to do... whatever it is they want to do. Maybe have Friday changed from Casual Friday to Pizza Friday...

THE BASTARDS!

:ddog: lol my avatar's been made into a smiley. AWESOME!

[Mi Beardo es Loco]

So John McCain is going to kill the president... Wait. John McCain is going to become the president, and he's going to kill... HIMSELF?!

You my good sir have just stumbled upon the entire secret plan the Illuminati have made for our country to do... whatever it is they want to do. Maybe have Friday changed from Casual Friday to Pizza Friday...

THE BASTARDS!

:ddog: lol my avatar's been made into a smiley. AWESOME!
NOOOOOOO! That would mean a unqualified Journalism major would become president.

[drift freaq]

Sounds like someone doesn't like black people. lol.

It's just another case of people to paint him to be unamerican when he's very much so american and more in touch with average Americans than McCain ever will be.
It just baffles me how less than 27% of Americans approve of GW Bush but McCain actually has a LEGIT shot at the presidency. McCain is turning this race into a personality contest.
Plus, he's banking on his voters being ignorant in his stint in Congress. His past in Congress includes agreeing with Bush 89% of the time, voting against EVERY (12) energy bills that would take the power away from lobbyists and having a HUGE history of voting against bills that would give veterans better healthcare, living, and education after the military. Not only that but he's made it very public priar to the RNC that he was going to nominate Joe Leiberman as his Vice but crumbled in the conservative wave. Just baffling.

I do not know where you get your facts from but McCain routinely voted against Bush and did not 89% of the time vote the Bush line. Obama is starting to talk about very Socialist economic policies.

Hmmm Welcome to The United Socialist States of America . Thank you NO.

If you think McCain is a Bush hack and following the Bush line you really need to go back and study his tenure in Congress. While has agreed on some things it is far from what you are claiming and he is a Maverick compared to Bush. I may not like McCain completely but I am not blinded by the Democratic white wash attempts they are throwing at McCain to promote the Socialist agenda. Ya I am a Democrat and yes I feel the party is leaning towards extreme Socialism.

Oh and you think that McCain picking Palin was pushed by the conservative wave? Man you seriously are uniformed. He changed his mind and picked Palin as a shrewd choice and decision to bring a women into the picture and blunt the statements the Democrats were trying to pin on him. Guess what not only did it work but though I may not agree with all of her Politics she is fucking pretty damn good and is pretty damn qualified.
It cracks me up how the Obama campaign is attacking Palin directly. A Presidential Candidate is attacking a vice presidential candidate. LOL Fail!! hahhahahhahaha
Once again the Democrats are going to destroy themselves in the course of the race which they have managed to do for the last few races.

I am a registered Democrat but I vote for who I feel is right. I do not tow a party line when I do not agree with it. That said, whoever I vote for is my business and I am just debating here for the shear enjoyment of it.

[Mi Beardo es Loco]

I do not know where you get your facts from but McCain routinely voted against Bush and did not 89% of the time vote the Bush line. Obama is starting to talk about very Socialist economic policies.

Hmmm Welcome to The United Socialist States of America . Thank you NO.

If you think McCain is a Bush hack and following the Bush line you really need to go back and study his tenure in Congress. While has agreed on some things it is far from what you are claiming and he is a Maverick compared to Bush. I may not like McCain completely but I am not blinded by the Democratic white wash attempts they are throwing at McCain to promote the Socialist agenda. Ya I am a Democrat and yes I feel the party is leaning towards extreme Socialism.
I'm not disagreeing with you but do you have link?
I've heard as low as 89% and as high as 95%
FactCheck.org: Is it true John McCain voted with George Bush 95 percent of the time? (http://www.factcheck.org/askfactcheck/is_it_true_john_mccain_voted_with.html)
not sure how credible

It is FACT that 100% in 2008 and all but 1 in 2007. I listen to the BBC A LOT and most of my facts come from there since they're non biased.

I'm also a constitutionalist and have always voted Republican before Bush, even before I could vote. I just don't like the direction this country is going and McCain just doesn't offer enough (hate to beat a dead horse) change

[Antihero983]

as I said, I hold no affiliation, but with the recent swing in female votes because of sarah palin, this only spells trouble for the democrats even further...

lol at sarah palin. what a cunt.

fuck em all, theyre all liars anyway.

vote for me! i'll make rice mods illegal!

[SexPanda]

lol at sarah palin. what a cunt.

fuck em all, theyre all liars anyway.

vote for me! i'll make rice mods illegal!

Done. You've got my vote.

Define "rice mods"

[stiizy]

sarah palin. I want her cunt.

fuck em all, theyre all liars anyway.

vote for me! i'll make rice mods illegal!



Stop Frontin RED you know you feeling her:keke::keke::snoop:

fixed hahaha

[Mi Beardo es Loco]

Oh and you think that McCain picking Palin was pushed by the conservative wave? Man you seriously are uniformed. He changed his mind and picked Palin as a shrewd choice and decision to bring a women into the picture and blunt the statements the Democrats were trying to pin on him. Guess what not only did it work but though I may not agree with all of her Politics she is fucking pretty damn good and is pretty damn qualified.
It cracks me up how the Obama campaign is attacking Palin directly. A Presidential Candidate is attacking a vice presidential candidate. LOL Fail!!
Honestly, what qualified her to become Governer? What qualified her to be Mayor? She received a little over 500 votes her first term and being a small town mayor qualifies her to lead a state? THEN, she leads the 47th most populous state during a time when the previous regime was ALREADY IN PROCESS of indictment and she takes credit and become super popular. Not to mention that she has zero knowledge of foreign policies and very minimum amount of schooling to lead any type of office, let alone Vice President.
But I do have to give the Republican party credit, they're painting her in the perfect way. I'm sure there's tons of "hockey moms" that identify with her and will probably get their vote, based only on her small town values.

[Mi Beardo es Loco]

lol at sarah palin. what a cunt.

fuck em all, theyre all liars anyway.

vote for me! i'll make rice mods illegal!
lol. I said it before I will say it again....I'd rather mouth pump her. That snatch must be ripped to shreds after 5 fucking children.

[Matej]

Haha Jon Stewart always makes me laugh, this is so good.

YouTube - Jon Stewart - Sarah Palin and how the Republicans see her (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NYNfJ9SabFU)
YouTube - Jon Stewart- RNC- Day 4 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HafijVKr1zA)

Yeah yeah, Youtube, I know.

[Phlip]

If Barack wins, he will have an affair with Sarah Palin.

July 28th, Sarah Palin said in an interview that she didn't even know what the Vice President does from day to day, yet 6 weeks later she is qualified to do the job? Fuck, entry level call center jobs offer more training than that.

[Mi Beardo es Loco]

If Barack wins, he will have an affair with Sarah Palin.

If Barack becomes president he'll have an affair with every white woman in the states! He's one smooth brotha :snoop:

[Matej]

No, I read a few days ago that the majority of white women voters shifted to McCain because of Palin. Wow, that's just sad.

[Mi Beardo es Loco]

No, I just read that majority of white women shifted to McCain because of Palin. If that's all it takes, it's almost insulting.
not to be insulting towards women but most women under 50 don't know how to register anyways, so I don't care.

[Phlip]

if barack becomes president he'll have an affair with every white woman in the states! He's one smooth brotha :snoop:

"YES WE CAN!!!"
:ssex:

[Altered_Image]

You won't get shit from me. I enjoy living in a non-socialist country.
here here!

[sillyvia13]

in a nut shell.
NOT MATTER WHICH ONE WINS!
WE LOSE!

simple.
we need to flush the ENTIRE SYSTEM CLEAN and start fresh and with MONEY NOT BEING A FACTOR IN GOVT!

[Phlip]

simple.
we need to flush the ENTIRE SYSTEM CLEAN and start fresh and with MONEY NOT BEING A FACTOR IN GOVT!
If you REALLY think that the people with the money would sit by and let that shit happen, you're higher than a space station.

[Mi Beardo es Loco]

If you REALLY think that the people with the money would sit by and let that shit happen, you're higher than a space station.
The worst thing about this country is that the top 1% of people in this country has more money that the lower 99% combined. That's just shitty.

[Phlip]

The worst thing about this country is that the top 1% of people in this country has more money that the lower 99% combined. That's just shitty.
And that 1% makes 500% of the decisions, 3500% of those decisions in the interest of keeping themselves in the position they're in.

-PHLIP: World-class mathematician

[murda-c]

I was in the top 99th percentile of SAT scores once, can i run the governments?

[Mi Beardo es Loco]

And that 1% makes 500% of the decisions, 3500% of those decisions in the interest of keeping themselves in the position they're in.

-PHLIP: World-class mathematician
"the Patriots" on Metal Gear Solid....that's all I have to say.



For those who don't know it's the elite (has the most money) people in this country that run the country behind the curtain. Families like the Rockefellers seriously have an infinite amount of money and these people want more and more power.

[Mi Beardo es Loco]

I was in the top 99th percentile of SAT scores once, can i run the governments?
you know what they say though.....higher the iq, smaller the penis :snoop:













































jk

[Matej]

I was in the top 99th percentile of SAT scores once, can i run the governments?
No, you're an elitist, too overqualified, we only want good old down to earth veterans.

[Mi Beardo es Loco]

No, you're an elitist, too overqualified, we only want good old down to earth veterans.
I fucked a girl from the mid west once

vote for me!

[TheWolf]

The worst thing about this country is that the top 1% of people in this country has more money that the lower 99% combined. That's just shitty.

As of 2001, the top 1% of households (the upper class) owned 33.4% of all privately held wealth, and the next 19% (the managerial, professional, and small business stratum) had 51%, which means that just 20% of the people owned a remarkable 84%,leaving only 16% of the wealth for the bottom 80% (wage and salary workers).


That certainly doesn't look the same as 1 and 99 but hey. It still doesn't change the fact that they've got alot of money and pay alot of taxes on it. The rich fund about 85% of our government. If you make less than 30k a year. The gov't actually pays you to live and takes a net loss on your existance. Now while you're bitching about only getting a $600 stimulus check. They're trying to figure out how the gov't thinks their entitled to 15 million in taxes. So cry foul. Act like the rich guy has got it easy. 15 million to you is huge. 15million to him is just as big. It's not like he's got a money tree in the backyard. So as for hating on the rich, just keep in mind that you'll never in your full life of paying taxes be able to equal 6 months of the rich guys tax bill. So when you pan out and see how much cash you actually don't contribute into the pot. Quit bitching about the people that actually do pitch in and make a difference.

It's the whole 5 guys go through a drive through. They pass around the cup to get money for their $2 cheeseburgers. One dude just passes the cup without putting in anything. One dude tosses in 2 quarters and whines about it how much he has to contribute. One dude puts in 2 dollars. One dude in the back always gripes about how expensive it is and how much no one else contributes and puts in a dime but takes out a quarter. Then the final guy gets stuck footing the 8 dollars for the bill. The life of the rich man. Footing the bill for everyone else who then gripe about how easy he's got it.

[mRclARK1]

No, I read a few days ago that the majority of white women voters shifted to McCain because of Palin. Wow, that's just sad.

And the majority of the black vote shifted to Obama because he's black, but you get in trouble if you say that. It's not new that most people don't vote for sound political reasons, but for irrational and bias views and prejudices, and polarization around a single issue often, just like those who won't vote for Obama because he is black, or for McCain because Palin is a woman.

I've always felt anyone who holds dual or more citizenship should not be eligible to be president. Not unless they forfeit them publicly or something. Would you want a president with possibly conflicting personal or social or political loyalties?

Not EVERY US citizen can run for president, even if you're a born citizen. You must be physically born within the United States IIRC.

Three experts claiming forgeries (although political affiliations of theirs would be of interest. Find they're all McCain supporters and I'd call BS as well), many of his own relatives even claiming his place of birth was Kenya, and his established foreign citizenships make things just to sketchy I think. I didn't support Obama before, I just do even less now.

there is absolutely no way in hell the democratic party wouldn't have caught this beforehand.

snopes.com: Is Barack Obama a natural-born citizen of the U.S.? (http://www.snopes.com/politics/obama/citizen.asp)

Obama was born in Hawaii. Hawaii was a state when Obama was born. Obama is a U.S. born, U.S. citizen.

It's on Snopes.com...

I guess it must be true. :rolleyes:

Nothing will come of this however if it is proved to be true. Why? Same reason many other things are overlooked. Someone in power allows it to happen, not to mention the irrationaly outcry that would come from every side of how it MUST be a fabrication to keep him out of office for racial reasons. Whether that would be a fact or not, that would be the belief.

[SimpleS14]

It's the whole 5 guys go through a drive through. They pass around the cup to get money for their $2 cheeseburgers. One dude just passes the cup without putting in anything. One dude tosses in 2 quarters and whines about it how much he has to contribute. One dude puts in 2 dollars. One dude in the back always gripes about how expensive it is and how much no one else contributes and puts in a dime but takes out a quarter. Then the final guy gets stuck footing the 8 dollars for the bill. The life of the rich man. Footing the bill for everyone else who then gripe about how easy he's got it.

Where did you hear this? :confused:

[axiomatik]

Who are the "experts"? Did the examine the document itself, or just look at the photos Obama's campaign originally posted? There was an article just the other day from some news organization, maybe Newsweek, that examined the document in person. The conspiracy theorists were saying claiming that the pictures were fake because there was no raised Seal, and that the number was redacted to prevent officials determining that it was fake. However, the reporter of this article was able to see the original, and took photos that showed the raised seal, that was not visible in the earlier scanned copy. Hawaiian officials also confirmed that the birth certificate was real.

edit: it was factcheck.org.

http://www.factcheck.org/elections-2008/born_in_the_usa.html

[Phlip]

Fuck, I went downtown and got a copy of my own birth certificate February of 06, and WATCHED them stamp it for the raised seal after printing it... That seal is barely noticeable now, lol.

[mRclARK1]

Everything else aside, I just find it very interesting that even his own family claims he was born in Kenya.

[axiomatik]

do they really? or is someone with an agenda claiming that his family has said that?

[Mi Beardo es Loco]

Everything else aside, I just find it very interesting that even his own family claims he was born in Kenya.
honestly, this will never be proven, even if true. The fake (if it really is fake) document is already in place and the finger will always be pointing at this. My guess is that the Republicans wouldn't even touch this issue unless there's hard evidence, which there will probably never be.

[mRclARK1]

I agree, even if it is proven to be a fact. It'll never be acted on. Whether it's right or wrong is not what we're discussing here so I'll shut up on that. lol

Obviously there was enough evidence to file the lawsuit.

To me it just seems very odd that even his own family will back up something like this, knowing what it would mean. Either they hate him personally and/or politically, are being persuaded or coerced, or... It's true.

[aNskY]

Al-Qaeda praying for Obama win, says PM | NEWS.com.au (http://www.news.com.au/story/0,23599,21207082-1702,00.html)

[Rayne]

As of 2001, the top 1% of households (the upper class) owned 33.4% of all privately held wealth, and the next 19% (the managerial, professional, and small business stratum) had 51%, which means that just 20% of the people owned a remarkable 84%,leaving only 16% of the wealth for the bottom 80% (wage and salary workers).


That certainly doesn't look the same as 1 and 99 but hey. It still doesn't change the fact that they've got alot of money and pay alot of taxes on it. The rich fund about 85% of our government. If you make less than 30k a year. The gov't actually pays you to live and takes a net loss on your existance. Now while you're bitching about only getting a $600 stimulus check. They're trying to figure out how the gov't thinks their entitled to 15 million in taxes. So cry foul. Act like the rich guy has got it easy. 15 million to you is huge. 15million to him is just as big. It's not like he's got a money tree in the backyard. So as for hating on the rich, just keep in mind that you'll never in your full life of paying taxes be able to equal 6 months of the rich guys tax bill. So when you pan out and see how much cash you actually don't contribute into the pot. Quit bitching about the people that actually do pitch in and make a difference.

It's the whole 5 guys go through a drive through. They pass around the cup to get money for their $2 cheeseburgers. One dude just passes the cup without putting in anything. One dude tosses in 2 quarters and whines about it how much he has to contribute. One dude puts in 2 dollars. One dude in the back always gripes about how expensive it is and how much no one else contributes and puts in a dime but takes out a quarter. Then the final guy gets stuck footing the 8 dollars for the bill. The life of the rich man. Footing the bill for everyone else who then gripe about how easy he's got it.

You know the last paragraph is a better analogy of the middle class/working poor having to pay more than the upper class/rich 1% of the population.

If things are done right, personal tax liabilities can be lowered to zero. The rich 1% of the population know how to set things up to create such a situation. (IE: Multiple trusts or corporate "Persons" owning everything on paper. While the human being has rights, by contract, to use the things the trusts and/or corporate "Persons" own.)

*Side note: I do not expect everyone to understand much less be able to grasp what I have stated. There is a lot of things I have studied since January which has helped me understand how things really work within a soceity based on the illusion called "Money". If anyone is willing to study the subject of "Money" he or she will come to understand the fact that the thing we call "Money" is nothing more than a piece of paper that represents a given amount of financial debt.*

Anyway back to the subject of the thread.

[Mi Beardo es Loco]

Al-Qaeda praying for Obama win, says PM | NEWS.com.au (http://www.news.com.au/story/0,23599,21207082-1702,00.html)
this is one rich persons opinion. Less than 15% of Americans agree that we should still be in Iraq so why should any of us really care? Plus, the PM has a personal vendetta against future president Barack Obama. he's blasted him in the past.

[Phlip]

You know how they could make Barack Obama prove he is not a Muslim?
It is Ramadan, someone should just invite him to lunch at a time where he CLEARLY has an hour or so to kill.

... DEMAND that he eat the pork chops

[aNskY]

this is one rich persons opinion. Less than 15% of Americans agree that we should still be in Iraq so why should any of us really care? Plus, the PM has a personal vendetta against future president Barack Obama. he's blasted him in the past.


Al Jazeera English - Americas - Al-Qaeda 'will celebrate' Obama win (http://english.aljazeera.net/news/americas/2008/03/2008525125628662845.html)

[axiomatik]

^^^^^
That's certainly a misleading title for the article. No where in the article does any representative of al qaeda say they would celebrate an obama victory. The quote mentioned in the article is actually from a republican congressman (Rep. Steve King).

[Matej]

Al Jazeera English - Americas - Al-Qaeda 'will celebrate' Obama win (http://english.aljazeera.net/news/americas/2008/03/2008525125628662845.html)
So if Obama wins, Americans won't have to worry about terrorist attacks anymore?
I can deal with that.

[WERDdabuilder]

No, I read a few days ago that the majority of white women voters shifted to McCain because of Palin. Wow, that's just sad.

i stated this in the other election thread. This is why we need to take the woman's right to vote away.

[Matej]

And the majority of the black vote shifted to Obama because he's black, but you get in trouble if you say that. It's not new that most people don't vote for sound political reasons, but for irrational and bias views and prejudices, and polarization around a single issue often, just like those who won't vote for Obama because he is black, or for McCain because Palin is a woman.
The majority black vote hasn't blatantly shifted after the vice presidents were chosen. You can't really say they're voting for Obama only because he's black, the majority black vote has been democrat for as long as I can remember, no matter who the candidate is.

I'd like to see how people would vote if the republican candidate was black and the democratic candidate was white.

[atom]

You know how they could make Barack Obama prove he is not a Muslim?
It is Ramadan, someone should just invite him to lunch at a time where he CLEARLY has an hour or so to kill.

... DEMAND that he eat the pork chops

That would just make things worse, now the crazies will say he's just a bad Muslim. :rolleyes:

[Ace Callaway]

SO the allegation is that Obama's fucking head didn't come out of his Mom vagina, but was probably conceived and nurtured for the the most part most of the 9 months, all of a sudden he's not a citizen? People really need to stop this bullshit. This is probably won't be taken to serious.

McCain, technically, isn't eligible for running for President either, since he was born in US territories. I think the Gulf? Not sure, to lazy to do research. But since all you are brainwashed about this idiot being a "Maverick" or a "Hero", nobody seems to point it out. If you ask me, McCain is the true terrorist. Yes, extreme. Palin? hahaha I don't even want to get started with that bitch.

[Rayne]

McCain, technically, isn't eligible for running for President either, since he was born in US territories. I think the Gulf? Not sure, to lazy to do research. But since all you are brainwashed about this idiot being a "Maverick" or a "Hero", nobody seems to point it out. If you ask me, McCain is the true terrorist. Yes, extreme. Palin? hahaha I don't even want to get started with that bitch.

Songbird McCain was born in the Panama Canal Zone and sadly he is, technically, eligible for the office of Presidency.

Panama Canal Zone Title 8 U.S.C. chapter 12 Subsection 3 Part 1 § 1403 (http://www.plol.org/Pages/ExternalSite.aspx?rs=U.S.%20Code&rt=Statutes)

[Antihero983]

Obama should play McCain 1 on 1 in a game of half court hoops for the presidency.

Palin should play Biden 1 on 1 in a game of hockey for the vice presidency.

And then I'll play the winners on Xbox live on Armored Core 4. and if i win, i rule.

[Phlip]

As of 2006, US life expectancy for white male: 75.7 years... Sarah Palin would be president in less than 3 years if John McCain was elected. Should we not be approaching this as if we were voting HER for president?

[shade]

Yup, he was born to Admiral McCain and his wife at Coco Solo Naval Air Station in the Panama Canal Zone. Any land a U.S. military base is on is technically U.S. soil therefore he is a natural born citizen of the United States.

Songbird McCain was born in the Panama Canal Zone and sadly he is, technically, eligible for the office of Presidency.

Panama Canal Zone Title 8 U.S.C. chapter 12 Subsection 3 Part 1 § 1403 (http://www.plol.org/Pages/ExternalSite.aspx?rs=U.S.%20Code&rt=Statutes)

[boro otaku]

There is a TON of ignorance floating around on this thread. Y'all need to do some research on Obama before you blindly support him.

/thread

[stiizy]

^ Thank you!!!.......

[Future240]

As of 2006, US life expectancy for white male: 75.7 years... Sarah Palin would be president in less than 3 years if John McCain was elected. Should we not be approaching this as if we were voting HER for president?

Add the stress of being the president who has to fix the economy, plus having to deal with "did obama lose because he is black" questions, mixed in with the war, and you have a dead mcain in 2 years. 2.5 if he eats right

[Mi Beardo es Loco]

Add the stress of being the president who has to fix the economy, plus having to deal with "did obama lose because he is black" questions, mixed in with the war, and you have a dead mcain in 2 years. 2.5 if he eats right
I wouldn't be surprised if he has a grabber in the first 6 months. We have to elect a president and EXPECT him to stay for 2 terms. In 8 years he'll be 80!!! One of the biggest reasons why I don't like McCain is sort of not his fault. He grew up in a HUGE military family. Dad and Gramps was a 4 star Admiral. He grew up his whole life with the mindset that confrontation through war is the best way to resolve conflicts. Not to mention that he's freaking 72 years old! His foreign policies are very aggressive and that's not what the US needs at this time. Read Ron Paul's "Revolution". It is like common sense hitting you in the face with a baseball bat.

[Future240]

I wouldn't be surprised if he has a grabber in the first 6 months. We have to elect a president and EXPECT him to stay for 2 terms. In 8 years he'll be 80!!! One of the biggest reasons why I don't like McCain is sort of not his fault. He grew up in a HUGE military family. Dad and Gramps was a 4 star Admiral. He grew up his whole life with the mindset that confrontation through war is the best way to resolve conflicts. Not to mention that he's freaking 72 years old! His foreign policies are very aggressive and that's not what the US needs at this time. Read Ron Paul's "Revolution". It is like common sense hitting you in the face with a baseball bat.

My Gf's father was listening to some republic talk radio station(pure fuckin torture) while we were riding with him. The commentator made a comment somethin like "at the age McCain is do you think he will want to listen to anyone? Everyone knows a man of that age will be so ingrained to his on opinion that he will feel he is most of the time right"

The GF's father who is 72 I think, heartily agreed to this statement. If that is true and he is elected that worries me. I don't want a president whose head is too far up his own ass to see when other people might be right.

[Mi Beardo es Loco]

My Gf's father was listening to some republic talk radio station(pure fuckin torture) while we were riding with him. The commentator made a comment somethin like "at the age McCain is do you think he will want to listen to anyone? Everyone knows a man of that age will be so ingrained to his on opinion that he will feel he is most of the time right"

The GF's father who is 72 I think, heartily agreed to this statement. If that is true and he is elected that worries me. I don't want a president whose head is too far up his own ass to see when other people might be right.
that is exactly right. And don't get me wrong, because I'm a McCain HATER doesn't mean I'm a Obama lover. I like some of his ideas but he really is inexperienced. I just believe that McCain is another step in the absolute wrong direction. When you surround yourself with people like Scheunemann (advisor) and William Kristol (foreign policy advisor), this country is NOT making change from the Bush regime, they're repeating themselves due to both served under Bush. Kristol is still an advocate of staying in Iraq for a LONG time and has made it very public. When you have people like these in the ear of ol' man McCain he's going to believe anything they tell him. There will be NO foreign policy change and we will continue to pay 3 billion dollars a week liberating another country, while our own countries borders are weak and our economy is going to shits. 3 billion dollars that was SUPPOSED to be paid for by oil, remember that? The oil was there to pay for the war but instead of paying for the war it was sold for profit. Fuckin blind people, wake up.

[Future240]

^Agreed McCain=bush III. Unlike alot of other people I know I dont go hop on obama's dick just because he is black. I hear all the time, "how can you not vote for obama?" Personally neither candidate does it for me. I will tell anyone, I am no democrat, and I am no republican, no offense to any of each group but I believe those names are associations to garner votes.

so to me this election boils down to this. Do I want to vote for experience, that comes with more of the same bullshit we've been handed for 8 years?

Or

Do i want to vote for something new that might just turn into a new kind of bullshit due to inexperience?

[Mi Beardo es Loco]

^Agreed McCain=bush III. Unlike alot of other people I know I dont go hop on obama's dick just because he is black. I hear all the time, "how can you not vote for obama?" Personally neither candidate does it for me. I will tell anyone, I am no democrat, and I am no republican, no offense to any of each group but I believe those names are associations to garner votes.

so to me this election boils down to this. Do I want to vote for experience, that comes with more of the same bullshit we've been handed for 8 years?

Or

Do i want to vote for something new that might just turn into a new kind of bullshit due to inexperience?
Well, don't get me wrong, because I don't exactly like the way Obama might run the country, voting for him is by far the better of the two evils. This country will be so much better with him under helm, I just wish that there were a Constitutionalist running for office. I LOVED Ron Paul but he has no shot at winning the presidency. I'll probably just write him in anyways. And no, I'm not some stupid college student that is voting for Ron Paul because I think there was a conspiracy on 9/11 or because voting for Ron Paul would get me pussy or something. Cali is going to Obama no matter what so I could vote whoever I want. If I were in N. Carolina or something I'd def vote Obama just so McCain doesn't get in but I'll probably write in Ron Paul to show my support!
Ron Paul is a very smart man, there's just so many hippie groups that support him it takes away all of his credibility

[Future240]

Well, don't get me wrong, because I don't exactly like the way Obama might run the country, voting for him is by far the better of the two evils. This country will be so much better with him under helm, I just wish that there were a Constitutionalist running for office. I LOVED Ron Paul but he has no shot at winning the presidency. I'll probably just write him in anyways. And no, I'm not some stupid college student that is voting for Ron Paul because I think there was a conspiracy on 9/11 or because voting for Ron Paul would get me pussy or something. Cali is going to Obama no matter what so I could vote whoever I want. If I were in N. Carolina or something I'd def vote Obama just so McCain doesn't get in but I'll probably write in Ron Paul to show my support!
Ron Paul is a very smart man, there's just so many hippie groups that support him it takes away all of his credibility

I would vote for obama for this reason. The definition of insanity is doing the same thing and expecting different results. So therefore voting for mccain is not an option.

There was a huge ron paul movement on campus. Every where I looked his name was written on buildings in chalk. On people's cars he was everywhere.

[boro otaku]

He grew up his whole life with the mindset that confrontation through war is the best way to resolve conflicts. Not to mention that he's freaking 72 years old!
1) Has he spoken, campgained or demonstrated this mindset? I haven't heard of any wars in Arizona :) Sorry, but that seems like a stretch to me.

2) Prejudice against age is as bad as race. I don't think anyone would applaud you if you called Obama the N word. McCain is in good health, and so is his Mom who is 96.

I wouldn't worry about McCain at all. Even if he died, Palin has proven to be a good leader. We're set!

Now Obama is another story... Wow, what a two-faced evil man.

[murda-c]

As of 2006, US life expectancy for white male: 75.7 years... Sarah Palin would be president in less than 3 years if John McCain was elected. Should we not be approaching this as if we were voting HER for president?


What about RICH AS FUCK white males?

remember what ricky bobby said:

"with advances in modern science, and my high level of income, I mean, it's not crazy to think I can't live to be 245, maybe 300."

[boro otaku]

I would vote for obama for this reason. The definition of insanity is doing the same thing and expecting different results. So therefore voting for mccain is not an option.

There was a huge ron paul movement on campus. Every where I looked his name was written on buildings in chalk. On people's cars he was everywhere.
1) McCain is not Bush. Might as well kill all Germans because Hitler was German... if you think every white Republican over 50 is Bush. I fail to see the logic here.

2) Supporting a candidate because he is popular is called the "bandwagon". Take a class in government or politics to find out how silly this logic is! Don't do things simply because they are popular... this is called being a sheep.

P.S. - Ron Paul is a wasted vote. He has no chance of winning.

[Mi Beardo es Loco]

1) Has he spoken, campgained or demonstrated this mindset? I haven't heard of any wars in Arizona :) Sorry, but that seems like a stretch to me.

2) Prejudice against age is as bad as race. I don't think anyone would applaud you if you called Obama the N word. McCain is in good health, and so is his Mom who is 96.

I wouldn't worry about McCain at all. Even if he died, Palin has proven to be a good leader. We're set!

Now Obama is another story... Wow, what a two-faced evil man.
you sir are completely wrong. His campaign is the exact opposite from how he is campaigning. His campaign is very similar to Obama's campaign but he is nowhere near Obama. Look at his history in congress with bills that would benefit military personel. Look at his refusal to hear any energy bills! He beliefs are very similar to George Bush voting with Bush 95% of the time over the Bush regime. It's insane how you're blindly following the guy and do 0 research on his past. You're the exact person the republican party loves, easy to lie to. And trust me with that, I use to be a Republican.

[Phlip]

2) Prejudice against age is as bad as race. I don't think anyone would applaud you if you called Obama the N word.
See, now this is where one comes with a valid concern.
I am honestly of the mind to be VERY worried of what may happen of a man who passed while in office of natural causes.
One rap on Obama is his lack of experience, but exactly would we have if Sarah Palin was left? The shit we DO know about her scares me, like paying herself a Per Diem to be given for travel while she was actually at home. What about Wasila charging rape victims for their exams under her watch? Her religious zeal scares the FUCK out of me. The fact that she has before (very much like a woman) thrown around her weight to get what she wants, allowing personal shit to get in the face of common sense and due process, think of her ex brother in law and the director of public safety and that situation. Shooting down measures for funding for special needs children? Doesn't she have a child with Down's syndrome? Abstinence-only sex education? Wait, did that somehow magically miss HER house?


At the end of it all, the election, on the whole, should take into consideration the merits/demerits of the VICE Presidential candidates. Previously stated reasoning of McCain's age have been stated. Let us also be honest, extreme racism still exists, type your racial slur du jour into Google right now if you need confirmation. In such, Barack should be VERY worried about his safety. We're all 1 heartbeat, one slick bomber, one inside man, one psychopath's trigger pull from the VP becoming president.

[Mi Beardo es Loco]

1) McCain is not Bush. Might as well kill all Germans because Hitler was German... if you think every white Republican over 50 is Bush. I fail to see the logic here.

2) Supporting a candidate because he is popular is called the "bandwagon". Take a class in government or politics to find out how silly this logic is! Don't do things simply because they are popular... this is called being a sheep.

P.S. - Ron Paul is a wasted vote. He has no chance of winning.
Hitler was polish

And by voting for the man who you think would be the best president is American. By narrowing the race down to a two man race and blindly following a candidate because he's apart of your party is being THE sheep.

Just a question: are you one of the 27% that continue to support Bush? If so then I don't blame you for voting for McCain. But if not then you have a LOT to learn about politics.

[boro otaku]

*Fellow Zilvians,

Apologies if I come across as mean-spirited. That is not my intention. This just happens to be a rousing subject, and sometimes my anger taints my posts. I ask that we all remain level-headed.*



Hitler was polish
He was Austrian born, which is commonly referred to as Germany. Adolf Hitler - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adolf_Hilter) Where did you hear he was Polish?


The shit we DO know about her scares me
Such as? Keep in mind that most of what you're hearing is mud slinging & not entirely true.

[Antihero983]

Fuck All That Mess....

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v633/redevilrps13/csbruticus.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v633/redevilrps13/Devastator-1.jpg


Bruticus/Devastator 2008

[Mi Beardo es Loco]

See, now this is where one comes with a valid concern.
I am honestly of the mind to be VERY worried of what may happen of a man who passed while in office of natural causes.
One rap on Obama is his lack of experience, but exactly would we have if Sarah Palin was left? The shit we DO know about her scares me, like paying herself a Per Diem to be given for travel while she was actually at home. What about Wasila charging rape victims for their exams under her watch? Her religious zeal scares the FUCK out of me. The fact that she has before (very much like a woman) thrown around her weight to get what she wants, allowing personal shit to get in the face of common sense and due process, think of her ex brother in law and the director of public safety and that situation. Shooting down measures for funding for special needs children? Doesn't she have a child with Down's syndrome? Abstinence-only sex education? Wait, did that somehow magically miss HER house?


At the end of it all, the election, on the whole, should take into consideration the merits/demerits of the VICE Presidential candidates. Previously stated reasoning of McCain's age have been stated. Let us also be honest, extreme racism still exists, type your racial slur du jour into Google right now if you need confirmation. In such, Barack should be VERY worried about his safety. We're all 1 heartbeat, one slick bomber, one inside man, one psychopath's trigger pull from the VP becoming president.
Exactly. Age is a valid concern. We're not discriminating because he's old, we're worried that if he takes office he won't be leading for very long. We're worried that a person that was not voted in would take regime. We're worried that another religious nutcase will take the lead in our country. We're worried that someone who requested 14 earmarks totaling 27 million dollars from Washington for the 47th most populous state will take charge. We're worried that a very unqualified person who majored in journalism and is not very bright to begin with who preaches family values and abstinence yet cannot preach this in her own house will lead this country. Not only that but how will Palin, if McCain were to pass as president, mother 5 children and be president, let alone vice president? If McCain were to be president and then pass away, Palin becoming President would be absolutely awful for this country!

[Mi Beardo es Loco]

He was Austrian born, which is commonly referred to as Germany. Adolf Hitler - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adolf_Hilter) Where did you hear he was Polish?

my mistake. You're right. He was Austrian. But we still wouldn't invade Germany :D

[murda-c]

Lol, you can always have someone else take care of your kids.

Rich white folk do it all the time.

[Phlip]

*Fellow Zilvians,

Such as? Keep in mind that most of what you're hearing is mud slinging & not entirely true.

Mud slinging is not a competitive sport?
More like finding the skeletons in her closet that apparently the vetting process did not.
Let us not forget that ON JULY TWENTY-EIGHTH she said in an interview THAT SHE DID NOT KNOW WHAT THE VICE PRESIDENT DOES!!!
How does one become qualified to be president (yes, as vice, you SHOULD be president-qualified for the aforementioned reasons) just 6 weeks after not knowing what the VP does? I mean, I don't know either, but damn if I will EVER run.

[boro otaku]

she said in an interview THAT SHE DID NOT KNOW WHAT THE VICE PRESIDENT DOES!!!
Okay, good example.

You've been brainwashed by Obama & the sheep at MoveOn.org.

She was actually dissing the job, and rightly so. The VP does not do much. Her statement was more thought-provoking & rhetorical. Something to get your mind working...

Here is the real story:
Sarah Palin: What Exactly Does The VP Do Everyday? (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/08/29/sarah-palin-what-exactly_n_122514.html)

In an interview just a month ago, she dissed the job, saying it didn't seem "productive."
In fact, she said she didn't know what the vice president does.
Larry Kudlow of CNBC's "Kudlow & Co." asked her about the possibility of becoming McCain's ticket mate.
Palin replied: "As for that VP talk all the time, I'll tell you, I still can't answer that question until somebody answers for me what is it exactly that the VP does every day? I'm used to being very productive and working real hard in an administration. We want to make sure that that VP slot would be a fruitful type of position, especially for Alaskans and for the things that we're trying to accomplish up here for the rest of the U.S., before I can even start addressing that question."



Do you see the rhetorical aspects of her statement?

Do Americans REALLY you know what a vice president does on a daily basis? Hell, we can't even find out what Obama has done that's accomplished anything for anybody but himself.

[Mi Beardo es Loco]

Mud slinging is not a competitive sport?
More like finding the skeletons in her closet that apparently the vetting process did not.
Let us not forget that ON JULY TWENTY-EIGHTH she said in an interview THAT SHE DID NOT KNOW WHAT THE VICE PRESIDENT DOES!!!
How does one become qualified to be president (yes, as vice, you SHOULD be president-qualified for the aforementioned reasons) just 6 weeks after not knowing what the VP does? I mean, I don't know either, but damn if I will EVER run.
going from the mayor of Wissilla, Alaska to possibly being Vice president in a little over 2 years is as silly as going from a burger flipper at McDonalds to the CEO in 2 years. This is just silly. Accepting the job she should be fully qualified to be president if McCain were to die day 1! There is NO learning on the job! Watch when Joe Biden tears her apart

[Mi Beardo es Loco]

Okay, good example.

You've been brainwashed by Obama & the sheep at MoveOn.org.

She was actually dissing the job, and rightly so. The VP does not do much. Her statement was more thought-provoking & rhetorical. Something to get your mind working...

Here is the real story:
Sarah Palin: What Exactly Does The VP Do Everyday? (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/08/29/sarah-palin-what-exactly_n_122514.html)


Do you see the rhetorical aspects of her statement?
I see the Vice as being the relief pitcher in baseball. If the starter cannot finish the game the relief pitcher BETTER come in and save the day. Too bad Palin only played softball.

[Antihero983]

lol you're gonna call Phlip brainwashed? hahahahaha dumbass....

oh and here's who i'm voting for...

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v633/redevilrps13/VoteHotRod.jpg

[boro otaku]

going from the mayor of Wissilla, Alaska to possibly being Vice president in a little over 2 years is as silly as going from a burger flipper at McDonalds to the CEO in 2 years.
That makes no sense at all. Please explain (if you really feel this way).

Palin has YEARS of government experience (with an 80% approval rating by the way).

Contrast this to Obama, who has served only 144 work days in the senate.

P.S. - McCain has served just under 2,000 work days:bowdown:


The amount of misinformation of the board is nuts, guys!!!

[Phlip]

Okay, good example.

You've been brainwashed by Obama & the sheep at MoveOn.org.

She was actually dissing the job, and rightly so. The VP does not do much. Her statement was more thought-provoking & rhetorical. Something to get your mind working...

Here is the real story:
Sarah Palin: What Exactly Does The VP Do Everyday? (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/08/29/sarah-palin-what-exactly_n_122514.html)



Do you see the rhetorical aspects of her statement?

Do Americans REALLY you know what a vice president does on a daily basis? Hell, we can't even find out what Obama has done that's accomplished anything for anybody but himself.
No, I do not see the rhetorical aspects of her statements, seeing/reading many other things from/about her.
I specifically said that I do not know what the VP does.
Good job assuming that I am brainwashed or into moveon, I will say you're brainwashed by foxnews in response.

Also, did you miss these:
We're worried that someone who requested 14 earmarks totaling 27 million dollars from Washington for the 47th most populous state will take charge. We're worried that a very unqualified person who majored in journalism and is not very bright to begin with who preaches family values and abstinence yet cannot preach this in her own house will lead this country.

like paying herself a Per Diem to be given for travel while she was actually at home. What about Wasila charging rape victims for their exams under her watch? Her religious zeal scares the FUCK out of me. The fact that she has before (very much like a woman) thrown around her weight to get what she wants, allowing personal shit to get in the face of common sense and due process, think of her ex brother in law and the director of public safety and that situation. Shooting down measures for funding for special needs children? Doesn't she have a child with Down's syndrome? Abstinence-only sex education? Wait, did that somehow magically miss HER house?

... because you did not respond to them

[Mi Beardo es Loco]

That makes no sense at all. Please explain (if you really feel this way).

Palin has YEARS of government experience (with an 80% approval rating by the way).

Contrast this to Obama, who has served only 144 work days in the senate.

P.S. - McCain has served just under 2,000 work days:bowdown:


The amount of misinformation of the board is nuts, guys!!!
Years in government? #1 she is from a very small town, and small towns is where women get into government. If I were to run for mayor in a town with the population of 9000 I could probably win the race too.
Oh and here's her EXTENSIVE (hahahah) political career:
92-95 city councilwoman
96-02 mayor of Wasilla, Alaska (population 9000)
02-04 on the Alaskan Oil and Gas Conservation Commission
06-08 Governor of Alaska

What exactly makes her qualified to run this country? Her 80% approval rating was mostly due to circumstances in the previous Republican regime, who is most likely going to be spending time in jail. So, just because she's not as corrupt as Ted Stevens means that she is qualified to be vice president? President? Not only that but she transferred to 4 different schools to major in JOURNALISM!!! Not the best and brightest.

Not only that but I would consider being an Illinois State Legislator more impressive than being the mayor of Wasilla or on the Alaskan and Gas Conservation Commission. Plus a senator in Illinois is more highly contested than being Governor of Alaska. So, yes, Barack Obama IS much more qualified, and smarter I may add, than Palin.

But McCain has TONS of experience in congress, I just don't believe a word the man says. His campaign is opposite everything he's done in congress and actions speak louder than words my friend. Americans just chose to hear the words and not look at actions.

[boro otaku]

... because you did not respond to them
Dude, chill out :wan: It takes time to type all this stuff in :) Plus, I'm not certain that it's worth my time. Seems most people have given their hearts to Obama already, without really knowing why.


A)

14 earmarks, huh? Lets look at the truth instead of the lies:

McCain and Palin castigate the earmarks she seeks (http://www.wtop.com/?nid=213&sid=1242881)
Palin has sought $197 million worth of earmarks for 2009, down about 25 percent from the $256 million she sought in the 2008 budget year.

She has consistently REDUCED the earmarks for her state. Also, she has made it known that she (and McCain) plan to continue this reduction of waste during their leadership. Sounds good to me!


B)
There is too much misinformation here for me to tackle without losing my cool. So I will only touch on that post.

Sharon Leighow said the expenses are not unusual, noting that each of Palin's five children could have claimed a per diem expense and that Palin often did not seek out reimbursement for meals.

Palin has spent far less on travel than her predecessor, former Gov. Frank Murkowski, who spent $463,000 on travel in 2006. Palin spent $93,000 last year, records show.

Do I also need to mention that she got rid of the jet? That was a huge money bleeder. And that she drives herself? And that she got rid of the cook? The former Governors made no such attempts ast frugality.

Almost a $400,000 reduction in perks compared to the good ol' boy. Sounds GOOD to me!!!!!

[boro otaku]

92-95 city councilwoman
96-02 mayor of Wasilla, Alaska (population 9000)
02-04 on the Alaskan Oil and Gas Conservation Commission
06-08 Governor of Alaska

That is a lot more experience than Obama has... and Palin is going for VP, not President unlike Obama.

Have you sat on the City Council? Been Mayor? Governor? These are tough jobs that you try to downplay. Much tougher than "community organizer":D

[boro otaku]

Not to mention that Obama isn't even a natural born citizen (what started this thread)!!! Or at least there is question of that exactly (whether natural born, or just lost his citizenship & never reapplied for it). This is a Constitutional requirement. He makes a mockery of the law... What a jerk.

[Antihero983]

Bah Optimus Prime has way more experience leading The Autobots. Let's vote for him!!!

[BOROSUN]

i would so vote for optimus.

[Phlip]

I would vote for Lion-O, a decorated war hero for the cause of the Robear Burbles on 3rd Earth
http://www.scenicreflections.com/files/thundercats_liono_wallpaper_1024.jpg
... he would have an affair with Cheetara

[HalveBlue]

I can't believe some of the shit in this thread.

I'm glad that many people here firmly believe that our political system needs to be one in which only "professional" politicians are allowed to participate. Whatever happened to government of the people, by the people, and for the people?

Obama not a citizen? Jesus Christ...get the fuck outta here.

[boro otaku]

Akio Asakura! If he can control the Devil Z, surely he can lead us! ;)

[boro otaku]

Obama not a citizen? Jesus Christ...get the fuck outta here.
Care to explain why you feel this way?

This is a basic requirement for office. He seems to have spit in the face of the Constitution... and should be punished if it is true.

If you're saying that citizenship is non-issue, then you need to research this further.

If you're saying that Obama needs to get the fuck out, then you are correct. We don't need slime.

[Antihero983]

^we also dont need cunts like sarah palin either, or old liars like mcain either.

they're all politicians. they all suck.

Again, Bruticus/Devastator 2008.

and vote metroplex for senate! http://i238.photobucket.com/albums/ff94/Zaraxion1021/Transformers%20GIF/Metroplex.gif

[Antihero983]

Also, if you want to get all on that experience bullshit then we might as well elect Primus, the eldest of all the Autobots and creator of Optimus Prime!

http://i238.photobucket.com/albums/ff94/Zaraxion1021/Transformers%20GIF/Primus.gif

[inertiaticism]

I am voting for any ticket that does not include Palin as veep because her voice cuts through me like piano wire through warm butter. It's like what an air horn must sound like to dogs.
Apparently her stance on abstinance based sex ed isn't based on personal fact, seeing how she can't keep her own daughter from getting knocked up.
I'm a pretty liberal leaning guy, but as far as Republicans go, I agree with McCain's policies more than many and could tolerate him as president.
I am pretty frightened at the prospect of Palin being VP however.
If that inexperienced hooker gets put in office and fucks everything up, it will negatively impact the careers of other female politicians for ages (not Hillary, can't stand her either).

The only possible positive thing that could come from her is a much needed focus on the proper care of mentally disabled people and those with disabilities in general.
Then again, 'tards don't vote, and she is a politician.

[Future240]

1) McCain is not Bush. Might as well kill all Germans because Hitler was German... if you think every white Republican over 50 is Bush. I fail to see the logic here.

2) Supporting a candidate because he is popular is called the "bandwagon". Take a class in government or politics to find out how silly this logic is! Don't do things simply because they are popular... this is called being a sheep.

P.S. - Ron Paul is a wasted vote. He has no chance of winning.

personally I dont care for either. My views of how things should be lead are far too different for anyone to have. I was just stating my belief about mccain, who you must admit is continuing more than a few of bush's polieces. and I am not for ron paul, i dont do bandwagon, I was just commenting about how alot of people went ron paul crazy here

[boro otaku]

I am voting for any ticket that does not include Palin as veep because her voice cuts through me like piano wire through warm butter.
She won't be speaking to you every day, so don't let that sway your vote. When was the last time you heard Cheney speak? Like once a year LOL...

Apparently her stance on abstinance based sex ed isn't based on personal fact, seeing how she can't keep her own daughter from getting knocked up.
Doesn't phase me. She is close enough to 18 to be making that choice. Also remember that in some states, 16 is still kosher.


If that inexperienced hooker gets put in office and fucks everything up, it will negatively impact the careers of other female politicians for ages (not Hillary, can't stand her either).
She is VERY experienced (please look past the obvious distractions of Transformer pics to see what I wrote).

She is not a hooker. Don't know where you dug that one up...

[Antihero983]

Not a hooker, but still a cunt.

She comes off like shes the greatest thing since sliced bread.

Again, I dont see the big deal with the experience thing. but i also dont agree with any of the canidates on anything.

[drftmark]

This is a small piece of this thing I found called "Obama's not exactlys" It mentions his birth etc...

6.) My Name is African Swahili - NOT EXACTLY, your name is Arabic and 'Baraka' (from which Barack came) means 'blessed' in that language. Hussein is also Arabic and so is Obama. Barack Hussein Obama is not half black. If elected, he would be the first Arab-American President, not the first black President.Barack Hussein Obama is 50% Caucasian from his mother's side and 43.75% Arabic and 6.25% African Negro from his father's side. While Barack Hussein Obama's father was from Kenya, his father's family was mainly Arabs.. Barack Hussein Obama's father was only 12.5% African Negro and 87.5% Arab (his father's birth certificate even states he's Arab, not African Negro). From....and for more....go to..... [email protected](tm) - NewsBoy Breaking News: Barack Hussein Obama - Arab-American, only 6.25% African (http://www.arcadeathome.com/newsboy.phtml?Barack_Hussein_Obama_-_Arab-American,_only_6.25%25_African)




7.) I Never Practiced Islam - NOT EXACTLY, you practiced it daily at school, where you were registered as a Muslim and kept that faith for 31 years, until your wife made you change, so you could run for office. 4-3-08 Article 'Obama was 'quite religious in islam'' Obama was 'quite religious in Islam' (http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=60559)

[boro otaku]

She comes off like shes the greatest thing since sliced bread.
Something that she & Obama have in common ;) But at least she has reason to feel proud... she has accomplished something.

[Antihero983]

HAHAHAHAHA what the fuck has she accomplished?

are you female by chance?

[boro otaku]

HAHAHAHAHA what the fuck has she accomplished?
In case you missed my posts above, I have copied them here for your convenience:


Quote:
Originally Posted by Mi Beardo es Loco http://zilvia.net/f/images/zilvia/buttons/viewpost.gif (http://zilvia.net/f/off-topic-chat/212730-obama-citizen-not-citizen-wtf-4.html#post2308946)
going from the mayor of Wissilla, Alaska to possibly being Vice president in a little over 2 years is as silly as going from a burger flipper at McDonalds to the CEO in 2 years.

That makes no sense at all. Please explain (if you really feel this way).

Palin has YEARS of government experience (with an 80% approval rating by the way).

Contrast this to Obama, who has served only 144 work days in the senate.

P.S. - McCain has served just under 2,000 work days:bowdown:




Quote:
Originally Posted by Mi Beardo es Loco http://zilvia.net/f/images/zilvia/buttons/viewpost.gif (http://zilvia.net/f/off-topic-chat/212730-obama-citizen-not-citizen-wtf-post2309008.html#post2309008)
92-95 city councilwoman
96-02 mayor of Wasilla, Alaska (population 9000)
02-04 on the Alaskan Oil and Gas Conservation Commission
06-08 Governor of Alaska

That is a lot more experience than Obama has... and Palin is going for VP, not President unlike Obama.

Have you sat on the City Council? Been Mayor? Governor? These are tough jobs that you try to downplay. Much tougher than "community organizer":D









Today 03:16 PMboro otakuQuote:
Originally Posted by PHLIP http://zilvia.net/f/images/zilvia/buttons/viewpost.gif (http://zilvia.net/f/off-topic-chat/212730-obama-citizen-not-citizen-wtf-post2308968.html#post2308968)
... because you did not respond to them

Dude, chill out :wan: It takes time to type all this stuff in :) Plus, I'm not certain that it's worth my time. Seems most people have given their hearts to Obama already, without really knowing why.


A)

14 earmarks, huh? Lets look at the truth instead of the lies:

McCain and Palin castigate the earmarks she seeks (http://www.wtop.com/?nid=213&sid=1242881)
Quote:
Palin has sought $197 million worth of earmarks for 2009, down about 25 percent from the $256 million she sought in the 2008 budget year.
She has consistently REDUCED the earmarks for her state. Also, she has made it known that she (and McCain) plan to continue this reduction of waste during their leadership. Sounds good to me!


B)
There is too much misinformation here for me to tackle without losing my cool. So I will only touch on that post.
Quote:
Sharon Leighow said the expenses are not unusual, noting that each of Palin's five children could have claimed a per diem expense and that Palin often did not seek out reimbursement for meals.

Palin has spent far less on travel than her predecessor, former Gov. Frank Murkowski, who spent $463,000 on travel in 2006. Palin spent $93,000 last year, records show.
Do I also need to mention that she got rid of the jet? That was a huge money bleeder. And that she drives herself? And that she got rid of the cook? The former Governors made no such attempts ast frugality.

Almost a $400,000 reduction in perks compared to the good ol' boy. Sounds GOOD to me!!!!!

[stiizy]

^we also dont need cunts like sarah palin either, or old liars like mcain either.

they're all politicians. they all suck.

Again, Bruticus/Devastator 2008.

and vote metroplex for senate! http://i238.photobucket.com/albums/ff94/Zaraxion1021/Transformers%20GIF/Metroplex.gif

I agree Devastator in office with Bruticus!!!!

Who care Palin Obama...

Who gives a fuck i love how seriously everyone takes this, Cause the fact of the matter is our voices will never be heard...

But as you guys Continue to argue if you noticed Obama is still doing the same shit he was last week so???

He is still running for office ( not that i give a shit)

[Phlip]

B.A. Baracus for president!
http://shop.medeco.com/images/LT-922060.jpg

[boro otaku]

Who gives a fuck i love how seriously everyone takes this, Cause the fact of the matter is our voices will never be heard
Every one should take this seriously. Who we choose every four years affects each of us personally.

For example, with Obama's "tax the rich" approach, companies will make cut backs in your wages... or delete your job altogether.

But if you don't care about your future, then by all means do not vote.

Personally, I want big things for my future, and more freedom. No McDonalds at age 50 for me :)

[ESmorz]

2) Prejudice against age is as bad as race. I don't think anyone would applaud you if you called Obama the N word. McCain is in good health, and so is his Mom who is 96.

That's not true a person physical and mental capacities are not effected by race. Getting older does both of those things quite effectively.

[boro otaku]

That's not true a person physical and mental capacities are not effected by race. Getting older does both of those things quite effectively.
I can see your point, but it is still "prejudice" to just assume it without knowing the person. There was a 65 year old guy on Wipeout last night. He beat lots of 20-somethings in physical competition. By the way, McCain's mom is 96 and functioning well... it runs in the family!

[stiizy]

Every one should take this seriously. Who we choose every four years affects each of us personally.

For example, with Obama's "tax the rich" approach, companies will make cut backs in your wages... or delete your job altogether.

But if you don't care about your future, then by all means do not vote.

Personally, I want big things for my future, and more freedom. No McDonalds at age 50 for me :)

I guess you haven't read what i said before...

I am in no way shape or form voting Obama...

I like my Job and Salary so his tax shit can kiss my ass...

McCain has struck me as a person i want in office..

I am not a Republican but i will be this term..

It seems to me that McCain is a Republican with a lot of Democrat Traits
and in MY personal opinion he's fit to run this country in MY eyes

[Mi Beardo es Loco]

Care to explain why you feel this way?

This is a basic requirement for office. He seems to have spit in the face of the Constitution... and should be punished if it is true.

If you're saying that citizenship is non-issue, then you need to research this further.

If you're saying that Obama needs to get the fuck out, then you are correct. We don't need slime.
If you think that our Constitutional rights has been upheld over the past 8 years then you're in denial. Benjamin Franklin said it better than I ever could "Those who would sacrifice essential liberties for a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety." Bush has sold us the war in Iraq through the fear of citizens. Whether you believe we should continue to be there or not, you cannot deny this. Case in point "better over there than over here" -George W Bush. My beliefs are that we need to unfuck our fuck ups and get the fuck out of there. McCain obviously continues to believe that Iraq needs to be "liberated" and says "the end is in sights". He is ploying on the fact that most of Americans are fucking retarded and will not research for themselves. Instead, McCain, against his better judgement (Joe Leibermann), picks a woman to appeal to the women voters even though he's only met her once....even though he PROMISED Americans he was going to put people he could trust around him.
I respect him as a man, as a hero, but NOT as a politician.

[Mi Beardo es Loco]

Every one should take this seriously. Who we choose every four years affects each of us personally.

For example, with Obama's "tax the rich" approach, companies will make cut backs in your wages... or delete your job altogether.

But if you don't care about your future, then by all means do not vote.

Personally, I want big things for my future, and more freedom. No McDonalds at age 50 for me :)
No, I agree. But there's more at stake than taxes. I know that the increase in par $250,000 businesses will result in the loss of some jobs but it will stabilize the taxes for the middle class. But again, there's huge reasons why I'm not a Democrat. I'm a constitutionalist first, Republican second. I'm one of hundreds of thousands of Republican types that have lost complete faith in the Republican party and the bullshit that they have been spewing. Honestly, if Barack DOESN'T win the presidency it will be the biggest upset in American history. Americans have had ENOUGH of this regime and just the fact that McCain is being considered in the polls is remarkable. If Barack doesn't win then the Dem's need to rethink their entire position.

[Matej]

Saw McCain on tv today, had to change the channel. I don't even know why, but I seriously can't stand that guy.

[mRclARK1]

The majority black vote hasn't blatantly shifted after the vice presidents were chosen. You can't really say they're voting for Obama only because he's black, the majority black vote has been democrat for as long as I can remember, no matter who the candidate is.

I'd like to see how people would vote if the republican candidate was black and the democratic candidate was white.

All I know is this: I personally know 3 people who are black, and have stated they will vote for Obama (or would, one is not a citizen) simply on that fact given the choice between him and McCain. One went so far as to say even if he would be an inferior president to McCain. I wouldn't argue it's a large shift in the vote, but it's there. Small, but there.

I've just always been perplexed by any racial motives for anything. People are people. Some are dumb some are smart. Color of skin means fuck all.

[Antihero983]

I love how boro otaku is on palin's shit like she's actually awesome or something.

Palin=liar

McCain=Old and no better than bush

Obama=The lesser of a shitload of evils

Biden=seriously?

oh and palin can STFU on all that im a mom type person, she doesnt even cook her own food she has a private chef for that.

[Rayne]

There is a TON of ignorance floating around on this thread. Y'all need to do some research on Obama before you blindly support him.

/thread

You know your statement should read,

There is a TON of ignorance floating around on this thread. Y'all need to do some research on both candidates before you blindly support either of them.

*Personal note: I am not a registered voter, any more, and do not plan on ever being on again. With a great deal of the studies I have done since January I no longer have confidence in neither the Republicans or the Democrats. Thus making my vote a vote of "No Confidence." Yes, I have done my research and both candidates are equally corrupt in some form or fashion.*

[flip3d]

I want to punch Pfotenhauer in the side of the head.

[Future240]

You know your statement should read,

There is a TON of ignorance floating around on this thread. Y'all need to do some research on both candidates before you blindly support either of them.

*Personal note: I am not a registered voter, any more, and do not plan on ever being on again. With a great deal of the studies I have done since January I no longer have confidence in neither the Republicans or the Democrats. Thus making my vote a vote of "No Confidence." Yes, I have done my research and both candidates are equally corrupt in some form or fashion.*

If only rep still lived. This pretty much sums up my feelings. If I did vote i would vote to keep someone else out of office not to put the person I voted for in

[Mi Beardo es Loco]

I love how boro otaku is on palin's shit like she's actually awesome or something.

Palin=liar

McCain=Old and no better than bush

Obama=The lesser of a shitload of evils

Biden=seriously?

oh and palin can STFU on all that im a mom type person, she doesnt even cook her own food she has a private chef for that.
my mom is a smart, Harvard graduate who was a single mom for 9 years while my dad got his shit strait. In that time she drive me and my brother to baseball practice, karate, football practice and had to pay for 2 houses, day care, standard expenses, and many other things. She is a smart, strong, Independent woman. But as a American I would lead the picket line if she was nominated for vice president.

[stiizy]

^^ What???

Palin is ya moms???

J/p

Alot of single mothers do what they gotta....

[Dirty Habit]

Damn beardo. Your moms is hot!!

Seriously, there is no one to vote for. I may choose not to vote again this year. Shit is retarded.

[boro otaku]

Obama=The lesser of a shitload of evils
You are welcome to your opinion, but an unsubstantiated opinion would be something like "I like him because he's black."

If you feel he is the "lesser of evils", back this claim up with factual information :naughty: Until then...

[Antihero983]

^lol oh, like you've been doing? you've been doing nothing more than regurgitating what that cunt palin and the geriatric patient mccain have been saying.

trust me, I despise politicians in general.

[stiizy]

Boro i don't think Red likes him cause he's black...

I don't even think he is black???

[boro otaku]

^lol oh, like you've been doing? you've been doing nothing more than regurgitating what that cunt palin and the geriatric patient mccain have been saying.

trust me, I despise politicians in general.
If you look at my posts, you will see that I provide links to my sources.

I don't consider myself a "Republican" and in fact researched Obama quite heavily in the beginning. I also HATE politics, but I realized one day that it just must be done. So I do my research, since I vote.

These people will have power over your life, so if I made a poor choice in voting... it'd be like stealing the engine out of your car or kicking you in the balls. I respect people like I would want to be respected :bigok:

[stiizy]

Who fucking cares God.........

Vote for who you want and others will do the Same...

Nuff said...

I'm sure Phlip will agree...

Bickering amongst ourselves aint gonna solve shit....

Some like Obama i like McCain but who cares people have their own Views on shit..

So trying to sway votes one way or the other aint doing shit...

[boro otaku]

I don't even think he is black???

Obama is only about 8% African descent. I only included that statement above because so many people think he IS black... and many people pull the race card if you don't support him. It's silly.

[Antihero983]

lol stiizy, I'm white.

race has NOTHING to do with my decisions, ever. that would be retarded.

and boro, I've done my research too, and frankly NONE OF THEM on either side seem worthy of the presidency. but again anyone would be better than bush. I just can't be botherwed to get all technical and post links and shit.

however, yahoo did a breakdown of all the speeches after the DNC and the RNC.....and guess who lied the least? Obama.

[boro otaku]

Who fucking cares
If you don't care, then don't vote.

Personally I don't want a shitty future.

[Antihero983]

^then move to another country. The government here...well isn't the greatest right now lol

I mean, I love living here, but the people who run shit are all just too concerned with their own wealth.

[boro otaku]

and guess who lied the least?
Not Obama.

See how easy it is to make stuff up :naughty:

[stiizy]

Obama is only about 8% African descent. I only included that statement above because so many people think he IS black... and many people pull the race card if you don't support him. It's silly.

Dude i was saying RED aint black....

lol stiizy, I'm white.

race has NOTHING to do with my decisions, ever. that would be retarded.

and boro, I've done my research too, and frankly NONE OF THEM on either side seem worthy of the presidency. but again anyone would be better than bush. I just can't be botherwed to get all technical and post links and shit.

however, yahoo did a breakdown of all the speeches after the DNC and the RNC.....and guess who lied the least? Obama.

Haha i knew you were white i was just pointing it out that race don't matter to you..

If you don't care, then don't vote.

Personally I don't want a shitty future.

Once again you aint read shit i've been saying...

I am voting and it's for McCain scroll up the page and read what i said...

[boro otaku]

^then move to another country. The government here...well isn't the greatest right now lol

I mean, I love living here, but the people who run shit are all just too concerned with their own wealth.
We have the best country on Earth, even with our problems. If this weren't the case, people would be evacuating in groves, instead of trying to sneak in illegally night & day.

I somewhat agree that leaders do get too concerned with their own wealth. But that is the majority of political leaders. What we're left with is finding the least corrupt leader.

[boro otaku]

Once again you aint read shit i've been saying
I am reading what you post. Sorry for the miscommunications. A more correct statement would have been "If one doesn't care, then one shouldn't vote" but who talks like that?

[stiizy]

haha no i aint mad nor am i trying to urk you but you know how people are 92% of people believe what they want to...

So it makes no sense trying to talk some into them..

Ya Feel what i'm saying..

[boro otaku]

92% of people believe what they want to
Totally hear you on that, homie:snoop: I just can't go along with it:-/ gotta do what's right.

[stiizy]

oh of course but you can only say so much till you end up hitting ya monitor in frustration...

[DOOK]

can we say "DOOK IS LOCKING THIS SHIT?"

[stiizy]

Please................