Cheapest Place to Get Ground Control Coilovers?

[wpayne]

Where is the cheapest place to get Ground Control Coilovers for the S13? I know you can get them through Ground Control for $399 but I was wondering if anyone knew of any cheaper place? Thanks

[Bbandit]

try checking www.groupbuycenter.com
they have some pretty good deals sometimes

[Drifted off road]

what is the url for ground control? 399 is pretty damn cheap.

[AKADriver]

http://www.ground-control.com/

Keep in mind that Ground Controls are a sleeve-type coilover. $399 buys what you see in this picture:

http://www.ground-control.com/co_gen.jpg

times four.

Ground Control suspension products, as inexpensive and simple as they are, are hard-core racing stuff. Excellent quality, and set up properly with good performance struts they will greatly improve performance. They're not a style coilover... the 240SX application only gives 2" of height adjustment from stock ride height to 2 inches lower.

[wpayne]

Yeah, I know I can get them there. I dunno though, I was just thinking about getting a pair of used TEIN HR's, I know they won't be as good but they come with an adjustable pillow-upper mounts and will be a bit cheaper.

[AKADriver]

Honestly the spring rates you'll find from the HR are stiffer than what you could safely get from ground control, since they depend on off the shelf dampers, and the pieces from Koni and KYB are being pushed to the limit at spring rates like 6 & 5 kg/mm.

If you can live without damping adjustability then used HRs will be a fine choice.

[wpayne]

Thanks man, you just confirmed my intentions to buy :).

[rps13sh]

i just bought ground controls and koni yellows. they're going in this saturday. ill take pics step by step and try to post them on zilvia. it looks complicated but fun.

[meme]

here is a pic of mine; agx/G-C. i had them mod the shocks for me. came ready to install.

you still need to use the original top mount or get new ones.

if you get new ones you are in the price range of Tein HE.

i like my coil-overs but haven taken it out to a track or anything. so i can say if it is good or bad.

[meme]

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[rps13sh]

whats your spring rate meme?

[DudeYourSoOOJDM]

When I was going to Upgrade my suspension, i thought about AGX/GC, thinking I would never even use that much adjustment.....

Cheapest i found GC was $370 on a group buy
and for th AGX was $370

So for about $740 I could have had that....

Got a deal on some Tein HA's and jumped on it, 16 way dampening and a streetable ride.

I went to a few pretty hard-core Roadrace events put on by CalClub (SCCA), and it's funny......all the miatas, CRX's, 240s, and Z's all had at least AGX, and many had GC.

These guys swear by this combo....and it's proven.

[rps13sh]

ground control + koni sport < thats what its all about :p ;) :)

[CleanS14]

Why would you buy sleves??? Anyway you might want to check out www.thepartstrader.com under Nissan (other)> Suspension some guy in debt is selling his Tein HE's for $700 shipped anywhere in the US. You should just save your money and get the real deal IMO

[rps13sh]

no thanks.

[CoasTek240]

wheres the cheapest plce to find those koni's

also does any one knthe spring rates on many of the poular spings..i.e.
whitline, tananbe, tein stech, etc.
i want a good spring an struts combo to mate with cusco camber plates

[Yoshi]

Originally posted by iEATrice
Why would you buy sleves??? Anyway you might want to check out www.thepartstrader.com under Nissan (other)> Suspension some guy in debt is selling his Tein HE's for $700 shipped anywhere in the US. You should just save your money and get the real deal IMO

I think maybe you're likening them to OBX/Drop Zone/Toucan, etc crappy sleeve-type coils. GC's are quality alternatives to full coilovers. I know lots of successful autoXers that swear by GC's.

[CleanS14]

Originally posted by rps13sh
ground control + koni sport < thats what its all about :p ;) :)

Actually Cusco Zero2R, Comp2R and Apexi N1 is what it's all about :bigok:

[CleanS14]

Originally posted by Yoshi
I think maybe you're likening them to OBX/Drop Zone/Toucan, etc crappy sleeve-type coils. GC's are quality alternatives to full coilovers. I know lots of successful autoXers that swear by GC's.

Just my opinion... I realized that some like them... I guess it's just a matter of funds/usage/taste... not flamin' just giving my 2 cents :p

[rps13sh]

Originally posted by iEATrice
Actually Cusco Zero2R, Comp2R and Apexi N1 is what it's all about :bigok:

if you like spending more and not getting much more out of it. fine.

[CleanS14]

Originally posted by rps13sh
if you like spending more and not getting much more out of it. fine.

Like I said... I guess it's about funds/usage/taste... not trying to flame... just my opinion! Don't get butt-hurt man... :cool:

[DudeYourSoOOJDM]

Is it me or are too many people throwing the word Slideways around......

[rps13sh]

whats too many? ive seen the word around. i dont know whats considred too many.

[Yoshi]

Originally posted by Hypersh1ft240
Is it me or are too many people throwing the word Slideways around......

Well y'all are copyin me :P hahahaha
seriously tho, I've had this same sig for several years now, and I've seen LOTS more people use "Slideways" :( For a while there I thought I'd come up with my own word :/
(sig created around 1999)

[CleanS14]

Been using slideways since 1996 when I got my first S14... there weren't many people sayin' that other than a couple of ae86 folks I knew back then.

[drift freaq]

ok folks, you guys need to get off your JDM is the best kick!!
Number one Ground Control sells customs short stroke Koni's made for them by Koni. Koni is one of the best shock manufacturers in the world.
Two , if you could consider eibach ers springs off the shelf, you really do not know much about them. ERS springs are availible in 25lb increments so you could go as stiff as you want.
also the setup that Ground Control sells for our cars is a 8kg 6kg front rear setup . So its quite comparable to Tein HE's you could then get stiffer springs if need be. you can also have Ground Control custom valve the KYB's for you.
question how many of you really know how to tune your suspension to the point that having rebound and compression adjustment is going to help you? Are you willing to spend the money at a Pro suspension tuning place to corner balance your car as well as set the adjustments on fully adjustables?
There are a few of you out there that do . I know that. But a lot of you are just listening to everyone else and going out and buying suspensions that are possibly way over your head in the tuning department.
Ground Controls are winning races all over the world. They are no less a coilover than Teins are . Cusco uses KYB as does Nismo , GAB and several other Japanese suspension companies. A lot of the Japanese coilovers are collar overs as well. Its time some of you guys realized. Just because its not made in Japan does not mean its not a killer setup for our cars!!
I have friends running Ground Control S14's that are coming up first in their class.
Ground Control makes a great product especially for the dollars. I happen to like some Japanese coilovers as well . I also have respect for DMS ( a Austrailian brand)
but please stop dissing the company because its not JDM and they and quote are not so called true coilovers. If you believe the last half of that last statement you do not know anything about suspension anyways.
:mad:

[SiL1480]

My folks said my first word was "slideways":rolleyes:

I use to drift my tricycle.

[DudeYourSoOOJDM]

drifting big wheels and power wheels took a lot more technique.....

tricycles had wrong offset too......

[Yoshi]

Originally posted by drift freaq
ok folks, you guys need to get off your JDM is the best kick!!
Number one Ground Control sells customs short stroke Koni's made for them by Koni. Koni is one of the best shock manufacturers in the world.
Two , if you could consider eibach ers springs off the shelf, you really do not know much about them. ERS springs are availible in 25lb increments so you could go as stiff as you want.
also the setup that Ground Control sells for our cars is a 8kg 6kg front rear setup . So its quite comparable to Tein HE's you could then get stiffer springs if need be. you can also have Ground Control custom valve the KYB's for you.
question how many of you really know how to tune your suspension to the point that having rebound and compression adjustment is going to help you? Are you willing to spend the money at a Pro suspension tuning place to corner balance your car as well as set the adjustments on fully adjustables?
There are a few of you out there that do . I know that. But a lot of you are just listening to everyone else and going out and buying suspensions that are possibly way over your head in the tuning department.
Ground Controls are winning races all over the world. They are no less a coilover than Teins are . Cusco uses KYB as does Nismo , GAB and several other Japanese suspension companies. A lot of the Japanese coilovers are collar overs as well. Its time some of you guys realized. Just because its not made in Japan does not mean its not a killer setup for our cars!!
I have friends running Ground Control S14's that are coming up first in their class.
Ground Control makes a great product especially for the dollars. I happen to like some Japanese coilovers as well . I also have respect for DMS ( a Austrailian brand)
but please stop dissing the company because its not JDM and they and quote are not so called true coilovers. If you believe the last half of that last statement you do not know anything about suspension anyways.
:mad:

A-friggin-men brother. :bow:

[CleanS14]

Why do people get sooo butt hurt over other's opinions? Damn nobody asked for a disertation on custom coilover options or spring shock combos... BTW I've had custom coilovers and I did go with Eibach ERS, but used Bilstein custom valved shocks. I have also had sleeves, been through tokico blues, koni yellows, kyb agx... just decided to move on to full coilovers so I tried the apexi WS dampers, apexi n1's, cusco zero2's and cusco zero2R's. I currently have cusco comp2R's on my s14... like I said before... just a matter of funds/usage/taste :D

[drift freaq]

mister Ieatrice you need to get over your butt fixation. My butt ain't hurtin and me stating what I was stating has nothing to do with you lame butt hurtin statement to begin with.
nows you need to get yourself off this damn butt fixation our we's gonna wonder about you big time?


P.S. if you really think I was upset in that rant you got a big surprise coming. Me upset you don't want to see . I was just stating fact and you can claim you been through all kinds of suspension it does not prove to me by your statements that you really now that much about tuning suspension.
oh by the way the dissertion was well needed now why don't you go take your butt fixation down to castro street and get it satisfied.:eek: :doh:

[CleanS14]

First of all I do have booty fixation... but it's doesn't have anything to do with men... so I have no idea what you're trying to get at. Obiously someone is getting bothered by comments that I have made... and I do apologize for my assumption. I think we're all here for the same reason... to be apart of a car community that we are interested on. While I'm not one to try to prove myslef I just thought that I could possibly show you by what shock/spring and coil setups I have been through... but if that isn't enough, then we can talk sometime as I like to learn from other folks with other experience.

No need to make some of the comments that you did as I am not trying to attack you. I don't know where castro street is since I'm from San Diego but if you've been there before and they have hot Latin women with nice bootays... let me know... and you upset... I really do not want to see as my intensions are never to make anyone upset... I'm not a younger guy on a testosterone trip... trying to make like I can kick some ***... but words are simply words and if you knew me you'd know that you'd prolly only end up laughing at me... not being mad. My words here will come no more... didn't mean to stir up any frustration.

-Jay :doh:

[CoasTek240]

ok this is a little old. but its better than bringing up a new thread...
so if i go ahead and order the groundcontrols with the kybagx from advance design, the agx's are revalved.. b/c that aint a bad price for coilovers($879)
?

what are your opinions.. i want to be able to get them rebuilt as well, should i def go wtih koni in that case?. also i plan on buying upper pillow mounts later
thanx

[hurleyboi514]

dont get AGX's with springs that stiff. they wont be able to support them for long. my RS-R's wore them out after a full season of events. i need to get another set (should be free) and then sell them and the springs. im getting a race shop to build me a set of custom valved koni's with spring perches for the Eibach ERS springs. i havent decided on my rates yet. i talked to a rep from koni and he said the stock sport shocks were good for 500 lbs and more (10kg for you jspec coilover geeks). not to mention, if i need to swap out springs, i have a local race shop that will trade them in and be able to revalve them if i ever need it. race cars have been doing it for a long time. there havent been Tein and such in the US for long. think coilover's are a new thing? sorry...

[rps13sh]

thats the smartest thing ive heard in this thread. you rock dude. i need to customize my konis too. but even without it, its the best setup ever. its awesome. imma post up a how to install koni+ground controls soon. gotta get things together. i have so many pics taken during my install. gonna be long. hope it turns out good. i love my konis and gc's. i wouldnt go with anything else.

[drift freaq]

like I mentioned earlier and it seems it went right over peoples heads. Ground Control has custom valved Koni's for sale with their setups. They can also revalve your AGX's custom. They also now sell their own design Advanced Design shocks. Hurleyboi I would say get Ground Control to do that work for you as they have long time race winning experience with the Koni's and the ERS springs.
As for the comment from AKA driver about ERS springs not being stiff enough . The setup the sell for the 240 off the shelf is running 450lb's fronts 300 lb's rear and you can get ERS springs in increments of 25lb's which means you could get 600 lbs springs if you wanted which are like 12kg/mm.
Ieatrice , I am not ****ed off at you. Your comments were just comming off a little on the rude side with the whole thing about people getting their butts... whatever.
fact is you were being quite ignorant about Ground Controls just like most people who have never taken the time to check them out and are on the JDM bandwagon. Maybe your not but you sure sound like you are. Not everything needs to be JDM on our cars to be good.
I am getting so tired of this if its not JDM its junk routine.
They made race winning 510's 240z's,280z's 200sx's . B210's 280zx's etc here in the states with non JDM parts back in the day. There are still a lot of good non JDM parts manufacturers out there today making stuff for our cars . Ground Control and Whiteline happening to be two top notch companies.
I use JDM where its nesscary but I will not let the JDM bling blight, blind me to using what works, no matter where its from.

[CleanS14]

Ummm... well I'm not on the JDM bandwagon... sorry if my car looks like it LOL! You really can't talk unless you've actually seen all 4 of my s14 projects and all the different suspension setups I've ran... those that know can back me up when I say that I'm not JDM biased and I have had Ground Controls/different custom valved shock combo's. Wasn't trying to be rude... just explaining how people get sooo animated in a post and it's kinda funny... I just said what I did because from *my personal experience and opinion* I prefer the use of the that type of suspension. I have my stuff aligned quite often playing with different setups on the track... all work done at Custom Alignment... the best up here in NorCal. Didn't mean to sound so ignorant... actually had my autoxing nut roomie read this post... he too swears by his GC/Bilstien combo LOL! I know a lot of you guys swear by this setup and didn't mean to offend in any way.

JDM... USDM... don't care as long as it works on an s14 :D

-Jay

[sykikchimp]

I would like to note that the so called "True coilovers" or, coilovers with threaded shock bodies, are not allowed in almost any club race series. If you go out to an SCCA IT weekend, you will not see them ANYWHERE, b/c there are no SCCA classes that allow them.

Sleeves are the only option if you want to corner balance the car, and GC makes the best sleeves.

[AceInHole]

Originally posted by drift freaq
like I mentioned earlier and it seems it went right over peoples heads. Ground Control has custom valved Koni's for sale with their setups. They can also revalve your AGX's custom. They also now sell their own design Advanced Design shocks. Hurleyboi I would say get Ground Control to do that work for you as they have long time race winning experience with the Koni's and the ERS springs.
As for the comment from AKA driver about ERS springs not being stiff enough . The setup the sell for the 240 off the shelf is running 450lb's fronts 300 lb's rear and you can get ERS springs in increments of 25lb's which means you could get 600 lbs springs if you wanted which are like 12kg/mm.

Wow... I never knew GC could revalve AGX's. I knew about the Koni's... but not the AGX's. Revalving the AGX fronts would be nice, as they have larger valving due to fact that they don't need to slip into the stock strut bodies like the Koni's do.
What my plan was for suspension: go with GC springs and perches, combined with stock front Koni's, and revalved rear Koni's with two way independent adjustable dampening (allows the rears to be adjusted while they're on the car, in addition to having bound/ rebound adjustability). I'd LOVE to get advance design shocks.... but they're a whole lot of $$$. I'll have to look into the AGX revalving now, though.

[CoasTek240]

yeah i def either wanna get revalved konis or agx's with the GC's.. seems like a good setup.. prolly end up buying pillowball camber plates later too

[Var]

and you can get ERS springs in increments of 25lb's which means you could get 600 lbs springs if you wanted which are like 12kg/mm

You can get ridiculous spring rates from Ground Control.. i think the stiffest spring they listed on their catalog was 1450 lb/inch. Useless to me but just FYI.

[hurleyboi514]

i had no idea you could have AGX's revalved as well... its a gas shock and they generally arent rebuildable b/c you cant pressurize them. oh well, ill give them a call and find out...

[rps13sh]

yea i never heard about that either. must be something new. either way, ill never stray from koni's. best bang for the buck.

[drift freaq]

actually my bad guys . just got off the phone again with GC . you can't get the AGX's revalved. But you can get the revalved Koni's and the Advanced Designs.

[rps13sh]

AHAHA. HONEST MISTAKE. BUT YEA I WAS DOUBTING THAT. :doh:

[hurleyboi514]

ya, i didn't think you could... i dont care or anything, i just want to use this pic:

[CoasTek240]

rps13sh- hey did you order ur setup through ground controls site?... also how much was the total for the properly valved konis and the coilover(groud control)?

[drift freaq]

hey hurleyboi, I was not owned. I made a mistake that no one called me on and I corrected it . Thats not being owned thats being a man.
Grow up!!

[rps13sh]

i did not order my setup through ground control. just the coil overs from them. got konis seperate but they are not revalved. im not rich. ill do that when i got money to spare. ;)

im being real lazy. i told zilvia forums that i would post the install of my gc's and konis but i havent gotten to it. i went as far as shrinking the images for the forums. maybe ill work on it now. so long. so many pictures. gotta upload to my ftp. arghh.. ill get to it.

[hurleyboi514]

Originally posted by drift freaq
hey hurleyboi, I was not owned. I made a mistake that no one called me on and I corrected it . Thats not being owned thats being a man.
Grow up!!

no no no, you misunderstood me... i was saying that i didnt care that you were wrong or right, id actually like to be able to get my KYB's revalved. what i was saying was i wanted an excuse to use that pic, get it?? has anyone even looked at it?? its great...