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Nismo240SX

01-14-2003, 09:18 AM

AHH! don't listen to them. Konigs are great rims. All the other guys have insecurities about themselves and FWD rims. My rims are flawless, and feel great. I've seen a set of 5zigen corpses that were **** brand new. the color looked like it had orange peel on the inside of the rim. and plus the konigs feel like than he corpses. on the other hand, i've seen 5zigens that are awesome. so basicly... don't accept something until you check it out completely. plus another reason i bought my rims, were they look f'ing awesome. like like skyline rims. :D but as for the MP3's i don't really like em'. Konigs are alot nice quality than other big brand names. unless you have like JDM nismo rims, i won't beleive that konigs are poor quality. and how many of you actually have had experience with konigs on your cars??? not many. so dude, if you like them, get them... screw the other guys(not to be a bitch). feel free to do whatever you want to, to your car.

S13Grl

01-14-2003, 10:08 AM

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Firelance

01-14-2003, 12:03 PM

Originally posted by Nismo240SX
AHH! don't listen to them. Konigs are great rims. All the other guys have insecurities about themselves and FWD rims. My rims are flawless, and feel great. I've seen a set of 5zigen corpses that were **** brand new. the color looked like it had orange peel on the inside of the rim. and plus the konigs feel like than he corpses. on the other hand, i've seen 5zigens that are awesome. so basicly... don't accept something until you check it out completely. plus another reason i bought my rims, were they look f'ing awesome. like like skyline rims. :D but as for the MP3's i don't really like em'. Konigs are alot nice quality than other big brand names. unless you have like JDM nismo rims, i won't beleive that konigs are poor quality. and how many of you actually have had experience with konigs on your cars??? not many. so dude, if you like them, get them... screw the other guys(not to be a bitch). feel free to do whatever you want to, to your car.

It's not that the konigs don't look good. They don't look quite as good as the originals but they still look decent. It's that they are heavy and are made of poorer materials than the originals. Advans, Volks etc are muti-piece forged wheels which make them light and strong. Konigs, as cheap knockoffs are cast, singlepiece wheels; so they tend to be much heavier and can slow down performance. But I'll admit they are pretty good looking, so if the extra weight doesn't bother you go ahead and get them.

boosteds14

01-14-2003, 01:03 PM

get the volk 57gram light pros.

i love those rims

Nismo240SX

01-14-2003, 01:26 PM

well, when i get my Ca or Sr, i guess i'm going to jack out my doughnut, passenger seat, hell, i might even not eat a couple of days... all to run at the track haha... nah i wont need all that. another thing, weight is good... it keeps you from lifting into the air... gravity... its a great thing. haha.

SlowEXd

01-14-2003, 01:55 PM

Konig has 2 new lightweight wheels this year. The Helium and Traffik. Neither look bad and the $$ to weight of the rim is one of the best on the market. Though the width choices suck.
remember prices are suggested retail

Helium
http://sr20det.no-ip.com/helium.jpg
Helium Silver 15 x 6.5 Silver 10.8 lbs. $148.15
Helium Silver 17 x 7.0 Silver 16.2 lbs NA
Helium Silver 19 x 7.5 Silver NA NA

Traffik
http://sr20det.no-ip.com/traffik.jpg
Traffik Carbon 15 x 6.5 Carbon 12.42 lbs. $164.03
Traffik Carbon 17 x 7.0 Carbon 15.9 lbs. $220.84

As far as quality, well only time will tell.

240Stilo

01-14-2003, 10:21 PM

Word of advice, make sure you like the offset of the rim or you'll be disappointed like I was. (impulse buy) Maybe I'll get some spacers sometime soon...maybe:(

hookedup240

01-14-2003, 11:22 PM

Originally posted by Nismo240SX
AHH! don't listen to them. Konigs are great rims. All the other guys have insecurities about themselves and FWD rims. My rims are flawless, and feel great. I've seen a set of 5zigen corpses that were **** brand new. the color looked like it had orange peel on the inside of the rim. and plus the konigs feel like than he corpses. on the other hand, i've seen 5zigens that are awesome. so basicly... don't accept something until you check it out completely. plus another reason i bought my rims, were they look f'ing awesome. like like skyline rims. :D but as for the MP3's i don't really like em'. Konigs are alot nice quality than other big brand names. unless you have like JDM nismo rims, i won't beleive that konigs are poor quality. and how many of you actually have had experience with konigs on your cars??? not many. so dude, if you like them, get them... screw the other guys(not to be a bitch). feel free to do whatever you want to, to your car.

Yea i have konigs too and they really aren't poor quality, they maybe compared to rims double their price but i have had no problems with them at all, never dented one yet. I agree there are alot of better rims but i really can't afford them. And for the weight issue, i checked their weight on a scale with tires on and they were less weight than my stock alloys with tires, they are bigger rims and rotational mass and **** is more but overall weight is not.

BRB240

01-15-2003, 12:24 AM

The ADVAN Sienna Gen II's are the best looking rims ever. I can't wait to do a five lug conversion so I can get them in the size I want. I still have to work out the spacer(if I need one) and clearance in the back though. Even though they are $2400 for a set I don't care.

AKADriver

01-15-2003, 12:39 AM

Originally posted by Nismo240SX
AHH! don't listen to them. Konigs are great rims. All the other guys have insecurities about themselves and FWD rims.

Insecurity? No. But I see no point in buying a wheel that doesn't outperform stock. Can it support a tire wider than 205mm? Is it lighter or stronger? Will it clear 4-piston calipers? In most cases for the FWD offset/width, knockoff-brand wheels, the answer to all of those questions is NO.

If I was insecure I sure as hell wouldn't run plain black steelies on my car, I'd be running out to get cheesy cheap rImZ y0!

DSC

01-15-2003, 12:44 AM

Originally posted by Nismo240SX
another thing, weight is good... it keeps you from lifting into the air... gravity... its a great thing. haha.

That "haha" means your just joking right?

adey

01-15-2003, 12:49 AM

Originally posted by SlowEXd
Konig has 2 new lightweight wheels this year. The Helium and Traffik. Neither look bad and the $$ to weight of the rim is one of the best on the market.

Helium
http://sr20det.no-ip.com/helium.jpg
<snip>

Traffik
http://sr20det.no-ip.com/traffik.jpg
<snip>

Unfortunately, these are knockoffs still. The "Helium" is a knockoff of the Volk Racing CE-28N (the lightest wheel they make-- yes, lighter than TE-37s in respective sizes!) and the "Traffik" is a knockoff of Blacks Racing N1 wheels.

I don't mean to say there's something inherently wrong, bad or poor-quality about knockoffs, but I lose almost all respect for a person or companies who blatantly forge (pun!) designs from other companies.
There's something to be respected in originality.
Personally, I can not imagine myself ever buying cheapo knockoffs until the quality is at least up to par of the original... which I simply do not see konig attaining even in the distant future. For the time being, I will stick by my original Volk Racing and SSR forged (or at least quality cast, if you get gram lights 57C) wheels.

fairladyz

01-15-2003, 01:31 AM

Originally posted by BRB240
The ADVAN Sienna Gen II's are the best looking rims ever.
I second that. :) Actually I was torn between Sienna Gen II, Advan model 5 and Racing Super Advan SA3R but decided to get Super Advan instead- I'm thinking of buying 19 inch Advan model 5 just for shows.;)

Nismo240SX

01-15-2003, 10:35 AM

yeah, i'm joking. but its weird... And for the weight issue, i checked their weight on a scale with tires on and they were less weight than my stock alloys with tires that is the same for me too. i've got 17's and they're lighter than my stock. they handle twice as good... and i know its not the tires... both stock and my 17s, i have falkens. so, some of you guys are being judgemental. but, it doesn't matter. If I was insecure I sure as hell wouldn't run plain black steelies on my car, I'd be running out to get cheesy cheap rImZ y0! sounds to me that you are either cheap, or can't afford rims at all... so, we shouldn't even hear your opinon... haha. ;) ya'll be good.

Yoshi

01-15-2003, 11:39 AM

Originally posted by adey
[B]Unfortunately, these are knockoffs still. The "Helium" is a knockoff of the Volk Racing CE-28N (the lightest wheel they make-- yes, lighter than TE-37s in respective sizes!) and the "Traffik" is a knockoff of Blacks Racing N1 wheels.

Actually the Traffik's are direct ripoffs of Advan RG (racing gymkhana)... They've been around a long long time now... but you're right adey, a knockoff is a knockoff...

to the guy that posted these 2 konigs up, neither of these is "new", they've both been around for at least a year now. the traffik at least 2-3

AKADriver

01-15-2003, 12:32 PM

Originally posted by Nismo240SX
sounds to me that you are either cheap, or can't afford rims at all... so, we shouldn't even hear your opinon... haha. ;) ya'll be good.

Cheap? Oh hell yes... but a firm believer in function over form.

It's one thing to be cheap and stay stock.. it's another to be cheap and buy an "upgrade" that isn't an upgrade at all.

tnord

01-15-2003, 01:34 PM

that is the same for me too. i've got 17's and they're lighter than my stock. they handle twice as good... and i know its not the tires... both stock and my 17s, i have falkens. so, some of you guys are being judgemental. but, it doesn't matter.

what size wheels did you have before? did you have the exact same model and width tire? how many miles did you have on the old tires? how many winters did you drive with them?

most likely, you're improvement in handling is a result of a shorter sidewall, not a lighter wheel. and no, they don't handle twice as good. you don't take the same turn at 90 now that you used to do 45 around.

moose

01-15-2003, 03:34 PM

All this comotion!
Frig people the main question was about the MP3's right? So let's say that live2drift2live buys them, so what. Konig infact makes great rims.
NOT ALL OF US HAVE $2000+ TO SPEND ON RIMS.
With konig you can buy reliable rims at great prices that look amazing. And another thing, if your worried about weight you should be. You should be only worried if your drag racing, and for you drag racing people its o.k. But for us normal daily drivers we look for style and affordability. Maybe some of us don't want to work for 3 months just for rims and tires.
Personally I'm probably going to get the KONIG BLATANTS, CAFFIENES, APPEALS OR TRAFFIK.
KNOCKOFFS? Bull, you guys go pay your expensive prices and us guys'll look good in our Konig's!

tnord

01-15-2003, 04:49 PM

isn't this the same guy that posted something else of rediculous nature?? somebody wanna clue me in?

knives

01-15-2003, 05:24 PM

something along the line of s14's are awesome and s13's are ****.

edit: didn't know this board censored "bad" words.

Nismo240SX

01-15-2003, 07:55 PM

Maybe some of us don't want to work for 3 months just for rims and tires. haha, bro, i worked 2 for mine. i got mine for a grand, just because i good great rubber. FALKEN that is. could of had kuhmos, but i've seen alot of problems with kuhmos. back to the topic though... screw the other guys. konigs outperform stock by a long shot. people w/ no experience= bad.
people that has konigs and experience, but could of had more expensive rims, but realized that there was not a huge difference= good. go with konigs, just don't get the mp3s unless you have a s15 conversion in mind... s15 with 3 spokers, mmmMMMM.... ;) (^ don't get pissed, just observe the facts)

SlowEXd

01-15-2003, 08:37 PM

Originally posted by Yoshi
to the guy that posted these 2 konigs up, neither of these is "new", they've both been around for at least a year now. the traffik at least 2-3 [/B]

You're right Yoshi, Konig's site says new for 2002. I misread it.

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As far as knock offs, they are but that's all preference, why buy a "knock off" type-X wing, or shifter (OBX from C's), when you can have the real deal for more $$ . Not everyone cares about the JDM Craze. just my $.02 tho

But the more I think about it and look at available rims, Konigs +40 offsets could be a fitment issue. But like someone said above it depends on what direction the car's life is going, daily dirver, road course, drag strip, or show. Do what you want! and enjoy it.

tnord

01-15-2003, 11:35 PM

Originally posted by Nismo240SX
haha, bro, i worked 2 for mine. i got mine for a grand, just because i good great rubber. FALKEN that is. could of had kuhmos, but i've seen alot of problems with kuhmos. back to the topic though... screw the other guys. konigs outperform stock by a long shot. people w/ no experience= bad.
people that has konigs and experience, but could of had more expensive rims, but realized that there was not a huge difference= good. go with konigs, just don't get the mp3s unless you have a s15 conversion in mind... s15 with 3 spokers, mmmMMMM.... ;) (^ don't get pissed, just observe the facts)

before i attempt to rip this statement apart, does anybody have the weight of an OEM S14se wheel, and also the weight of various konig 16x7.5 wheels (yes i know they have lightweight models, but i want weights of the other wheels).

AKADriver

01-15-2003, 11:58 PM

Originally posted by SlowEXd
As far as knock offs, they are but that's all preference, why buy a "knock off" type-X wing, or shifter (OBX from C's), when you can have the real deal for more $$ . Not everyone cares about the JDM Craze. just my $.02 tho

Full agreement - it's not the fact that they're copies that bothers me. It's the fact that they don't fit the car. They're just not an improvement. I get just as much tire width, brake clearance, and strength from steel wheels.

It irks me to see "performance" products that look better than they perform.

Grant

01-16-2003, 04:56 AM

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Originally posted by Nismo240SX
haha, bro, i worked 2 for mine. i got mine for a grand, just because i good great rubber. FALKEN that is. could of had kuhmos, but i've seen alot of problems with kuhmos. back to the topic though... screw the other guys. konigs outperform stock by a long shot. people w/ no experience= bad.
people that has konigs and experience, but could of had more expensive rims, but realized that there was not a huge difference= good. go with konigs, just don't get the mp3s unless you have a s15 conversion in mind... s15 with 3 spokers, mmmMMMM.... (^ don't get pissed, just observe the facts)
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Konig are ok rims. Nothing great. Nothing to rant about.
Konig/ ADR/ Tenzo etc.. pretty much the same..
I've owned ADR's and I had a few friends buy konigs.. they get you by..
They all weighed in at over 19-20lbs a piece w/o tires.

I had a set of ADR - RS limited heaviest 17" rims I've ever owners (22lbs a piece).
and my friend had a set of konig (toxxins I believe). the finish started peeling within a few months.

rims like volks, work, nismo etc.. are usually crafted much better. if you seen the actual rims, you would know. If you think the typical rims are nice now, those are just THAT much better.

Same with falken tires. nothing to rant about..
I own a set of GR-Betas right now, decent tires, not the greatest. I could not say the Kumho Ecsta 712's are any worse, and kumho's are well acclaimed as well, and did the job just fine. In fact the NEW Ecsta MX series have received very good reviews and much cheaper than other tires. saying kumhos are inferior to falken tires pretty much defeats your whole arguement of konig vs the brands it copied.

Just the fact their designs are not original and knockoff's of the actual rims bother people..

How can it be proven that konigs are better than stock? I consider my r32 rims stock, they are lighter than most konigs and forged. Yet, durable as well. But nonetheless nothing to rant about, they are just 16x8's.

offset is very important, esp on s14.. when you guys start doing your 300zx brake swaps and install coilovers. +/- 30 is ideal.

moose

01-16-2003, 07:04 AM

READING THIS JUST BRINGS ME TO ONE CONCLUSION.
IF YOU DRAG, YOU SHOULDN'T CARE ABOUT WHAT RIMS YOU HAVE BECAUSE YOU SHOULD BE WORRIED ABOUT THE BIG MONEY -- TIRES!
Tires is what makes it in a drag race. You already have a 200+ hp engine, now put on some slicks. Forget the stupid rims deal, you want weight reduction, take your seats out and run 15" stock rims.

Moose

KONIG'S ARE GREAT, BUT NOT FOR SOME

Nismo240SX

01-16-2003, 09:21 AM

rims like volks, work, nismo etc.. are usually crafted much better. if you seen the actual rims, you would know. If you think the typical rims are nice now, those are just THAT much better. thats where i disagree with you. the crafting other rims, they're the same, but as for the more expensive rims, i admit they use way better materials. but think... for me, still in highschool... konigs are great. if i go curb humping, screw up a rim... i can afford to replace it. and the weight issue. my konigs are only like 19 pounds with tires. my stoke 12 spokers, are like 22 pounds with tires. do the math thats 12 pounds i'm loosing and i'm gaining tones of more handleing performance. so... konigs aren't bad at all. its just your opinons about them thats bad.

tnord

01-16-2003, 11:38 AM

my konigs are only like 19 pounds with tires. my stoke 12 spokers, are like 22 pounds with tires.

no they aren't.

KoukiS14

01-16-2003, 05:03 PM

Originally posted by fairladyz
I second that. :) Actually I was torn between Sienna Gen II, Advan model 5 and Racing Super Advan SA3R but decided to get Super Advan instead- I'm thinking of buying 19 inch Advan model 5 just for shows.;)

Yer rollin' on my favorite wheel.

fairladyz

01-16-2003, 05:12 PM

Originally posted by KoukiS14
Yer rollin' on my favorite wheel.
Hehe thanks.:)

Nismo240SX

01-16-2003, 06:47 PM

no they aren't. um... i smell something... BULL ****, ASSHOLE. i weighed them both... same scale. wtf do you know??? i hate being called a liar... facts are facts, just get over it. konigs aren't as bad as you say they are. WEST, or any moderator... i request this thread to be locked, because of simple stupid remarks, just to get another post in. its ANNOYING... and so are those caps.

tnord

01-16-2003, 06:49 PM

with tires 19lbs..........no fuggin way. you're lying or your scale is a POS.

KoukiS14

01-16-2003, 07:14 PM

Originally posted by fairladyz
Hehe thanks.:)

Yer welcome. Can I have them? I'll be your friend. =)

Sixbanger

01-16-2003, 11:21 PM

Bull**** your Konigs are 19 lbs with tires... What'd you do, fill the tires with helium? Even a good lightweight wheel with a good sized tire are in the 35-40lb range. Tires are HEAVY, usually over 20 lbs each.

adey

01-17-2003, 05:43 AM

I'd have to agree with the majority in saying that your konigs more likely than not do NOT weight 19 lb with tires... unless they're something along the lines of 13" x 4" with bald 105/20/13 tires... even then, 19lb is probably considered light.

maybe you meant that your konig rims (without tires) weight 19lb a piece? That I would believe.

Nismo240SX

01-17-2003, 11:16 AM

haha, i meant without tires!... but my scale is a peice.... but thats what it read for each... maybe i'm just delirious. or under the influence when i weighed them. ;) but the stockers weigh 36 with tires... i'll have to take off my konigs when the snow melts.

tnord

01-17-2003, 06:43 PM

what kinda scale did you use? i stil think that's an optimistic number.

Nismo240SX

01-17-2003, 10:48 PM

well, the scales right. a 25 pound dumb-bell weighs 25 pounds on the scale ;). so the stockers weigh 36 lbs. with tires! and the s14 oem b/s crap. hello dude, i've got a s13... with the >12< spoke oem rims. all i'm saying is i can feel MAJOR PERFORMANCE GAINS with my KONIGS. btw, i hate using caps... but you made me mister. haha. ya'll be good.

tnord

01-18-2003, 10:04 AM

your "MAJOR PERFORMANCE GAINS" are from the tires, not the wheels.

live2drift2live

01-18-2003, 10:46 AM

Wow this thing has exploded. But I have been looking and if I am going to make my 240 like "drift style" I want to get mesh BBS rims or like multispoke low weight rims. But, Im stuck because I have a feeling that if I try to drift Ill crash my car. I drift in my friends turbo miata all the time (even though its sort of gay throw on a greddy turbo at 9 PSI and intercooler and you got yourself 250+). But yeah I dont like 2K to spend on rims than 800 bucks to spend on tires. I mean rims are for look more that function, well thats my .02 cents. and not a lot of girls will come up and try to hump my rims like those damn advertisements show. (Dear Konig I am not getting pussy because of your rims. I am sueing you for misrepresentation of your product thank you.) But weight does come down to interia on the axel which does help your wheels turn quicker which means you go faster. But yeah keep talking on this thread and I might find some formula to prove it all. JBM

Nismo240SX

01-18-2003, 11:07 PM

your "MAJOR PERFORMANCE GAINS" are from the tires, not the wheels. dude, you're pretty ignorant. i have the same DAMN TIRES ON MY STOCK AND ON MY KONIGS! falken ziexs to be exact i hate to use caps but you f'ing stupid. do everybody a favor... don't be stupid. in case you don't understand this time... i'll make it real easy. falken ziexs on both = my stock 12 spoke rims have falken ziexs on them, and my konigs are wrapped in falken ziexs as well. who hoo! now was that hard tnord? so, don't act like konigs are bad. am i like "you rims are **** because they're ****." "and um, they look like **** and perform like ****, because they look like ****' yummm... ****" ??? NO! i'm not. so, i think somebodys in denial because hes hasn't a clue on experience with konigs.

kingcobra

01-18-2003, 11:43 PM

I like the rays GTC....but pricey...there are a few copies already but they don't have the size options like the rays wheel...I want 18x8 all around...anyone know what backspacing I need to get them looking right? right inside the fender lips...not tucked in or hangin out...

tnord

01-19-2003, 11:24 AM

Originally posted by Nismo240SX
dude, you're pretty ignorant. i have the same DAMN TIRES ON MY STOCK AND ON MY KONIGS! falken ziexs to be exact i hate to use caps but you f'ing stupid. do everybody a favor... don't be stupid. in case you don't understand this time... i'll make it real easy. falken ziexs on both = my stock 12 spoke rims have falken ziexs on them, and my konigs are wrapped in falken ziexs as well. who hoo! now was that hard tnord? so, don't act like konigs are bad. am i like "you rims are **** because they're ****." "and um, they look like **** and perform like ****, because they look like ****' yummm... ****" ??? NO! i'm not. so, i think somebodys in denial because hes hasn't a clue on experience with konigs.

they might be the same model tire, but they are not the same size. the 12 lb weight savings is an improvement, but doubtfully enough that you would notice. most likely you have a wider tire, with a shorter, and effectively stiffer sideway. that's where your performance gains are coming from, not from your wheels.

do us a favor and don't try and be sweet by seeing how many four letter words you can fit in one sentence.

S14 Kouki

01-21-2003, 05:49 PM

MIne are 18' Volk Racing Challenge. BEST rims on a S14;)

tnord

01-21-2003, 06:31 PM

here's the deal. Nismo240SX, as far as i'm concerned, you have no credibility. i don't see why anybody should believe you over the general concensus of the board that those things probably don't weigh what you think they do........nor do they provide the "huge performance gains" you claim.

on the topic of the scale thing.........you still haven't told me what kind of scale you used, so i'm guessing it's the one in the bathroom :rolleyes: . this method is flawed. when you say you put a 25lb weight on the scale and it said 25lbs, that worked because the entire "surface" of the weight is in contact with the scale, whereas a big wheel/tire undoubtedly hangs over the edge, effectively not completely weighing the entire unit. for reference, we just measured my friends 17'' wheel setup on a proper scale, came in at just over 50lbs, i doubt yours could be much lighter than this.

frankly.......i think you're a sucker. you really need to reevaluate your perception of performance, and how to acquire data and evaluate "facts" in an effective manner. you believe these things because you want to........you want to believe that you didn't "waste" your money, that you're car is just as fast as the next, and you're just as smart as the next guy. well my sTuNnA friend.......there is always somebody smarter, especially when that somebody is you.

Grant

01-21-2003, 07:15 PM

Nismo240sx, this is not a swearing contest.

Did I ever say Konigs are BAD? I just said they were nothing to rant about. Nothing GREAT.

It's like saying Driving a Mazda MX-6 is like driving a S14 240sx. They look about the same, good enough right? mx-6 can be had for cheaper, does that make it a 240sx?

Falken ziex is a better tire then which kumho line? maybe those HR rated passenger tires, but not the Kumho 712 or the Ecsta MX. either tires has had better reviews than the ziex. Falken Azenis is a good tire, Falken Ziex is a decent tire, nothing to brag about. In fact, my GR-Betas perform better (by experience) and get better ratings (yes other feedbacks) than your "really good tires" (courtesy of nitekids)

Disregarding the arguement of konig vs. Name brand rims. I'll discuss on the characteristics of a rim alone. I said width and offset are very important factors when it comes to wheels, when you start doing serious upgrades and go to the track often you will know. Maybe you don't go to the track, maybe you'll never install Z brakes and coilovers maybe you're fine with 7-7.5" wide rims and high offsets that sit recessed way into your fenderwell. But I would rather have mustang cobra rims (yes, made by FORD. good because they are cheap and have are made in a good size and offset. 17x8+ 30) over what you have. But then again thats just my opinion, big deal..

In fact fellow member on this forums does have konig villans on his car., First off they weigh 20-21lbs a piece, and second, aside from the fact that they are konigs, they are a good offset and size (17x8 +30 front, 17x9 +45 rear). In fact he can explain it.

Maybe there was a reason Jspec didn't want to do business with you. Would you like Sam to explain about rims to you as well?

By the way, bathroom scales arent the most accurate way of weighing something. TNord knows what he is talking about. Tires do make a difference, you're improvement could be just due to a thinner sideway and maybe more contact patch from a wider tire. Same tire in different sizes still perform differently

You accuse other people of being ignorant, but I think you are being rather ignorant yourself. You are the one in denial.

tnord

01-21-2003, 07:23 PM

one more thing on the bathroom scales.......25lb weights don't actually weigh 25lbs. they are close, but only to within maybe a pound or two. so the very fact that you said a 25lb weight weighed EXACTLY 25lbs makes me skeptical. either you have really nice weights (the main difference in price for dumbbells is their accuracy), or you're lying, i dunno.

C-Kwik

01-21-2003, 07:28 PM

I have Konigs on my car. Villians. 17x8 and 17x9. I paid about $750 for the wheels alone. They work great. I've run them on several track events and one autocross. They are fairly light, 20 and 21 lbs for just the wheels. Based on a spec sheet I saw a few years ago when I bought them, these were the lightest wheels in their line-up. The construction is good enough to take some serious abuse, but the finish could be a bit better. But I do get a lot of compliments on the road. I would never say they are the best wheels, and if money weren't an issue, I'd have some nice lightweight forged wheels. But my priorities are that I make my car fast first. If I got some fancy wheels, I wouldn't have my turbo in yet.

For all the Konig Haters, Konigs are copies of other wheels, but the quality is no less than that of most other cast wheels. In fact most wheels out there aren't forged. If you want to spend $2K on a set of wheels, more power to ya. I have taken these on the track with no problems. I actually read of a low budget race team that ran on Villians as well.

NISMO240sx,
As far as your posts, as much pride as you may have in your car and wheels, you still have to face the fact. They are not the best wheels out there and will not match a quality of pretty much most forged wheels. If you were to compare my Villians up close to an SSR Integral, you'ld see a huge difference in the finish. The Integrals appear much smoother with little to no blemishes. Not the mention they are some 5 lbs lighter. So don't take so much offense to other people's opinions. There will always be people that like what you do and don't like what you do. Take it all with a grain of salt. You just can't please everyone.

Your tires are not what I would consider the best out there. But lie everything it is a series of compromises. Each person has to decide which compromises best suit him/her. Your Ziex's may feel fine on the street. But get ona road course. You'll be humbled by how much a small little car can destroy cheap tires quicky. When I get to the pits, even after a cool down lap, I can put my hand on the tire and it will feel like I am putting my hand on the sticky side of some scotch tape. The tires get that soft. And as well as my tires held up at the track, my rear tires got cooked pretty good as they are now hard as rock.

As for your choice of words, four letter words don't help your argument. In fact they probably do more harm then good. If you feel they are ignorant, educate them. Using 4 letter word is a way to try to put them on the defensive. But it is much more effective to do it by proving your point. 4 letter words add no value to your argument.

Moose,
Lighter wheels are in fact quite helpful in all types of racing. Not only do the reduce the overall mass to accelerate, they reduce rotating mass which is about 4 times (IIRC) as effective as reducing weight from the chassis. It also reducues unsprung weight which us useful in keeping a wheel planted.