Drifting **Clutch Experiences**

[s14unimog]

I've been searching for a minute on the topic of clutch experiences. My hopes, were to find some credible insight on what's really a good clutch for the job. I should be getting my motor back from the machine shop on Saturday and will begin assembly next week. Before the knock occurred it was making around 330whp on an ACT street/strip. I never felt it slip but the car it was in wasn't used for drifting. Now that I've decided to put the motor in the other car (the one I've set up for drifting) I've started to think about upgrading; since its going to be so much easier to do out of the car. Right now I'm thinking Exedy stage 2. I don't plan to go much higher in HP at the moment but I guess I would like a little breathing room.

So basically my question goes out to all you mid 300whp guys that do more than the occasional 2 gear kick out.

What have you run before and how did you like it?

[Massimo Power]

I would have to suggest keeping the ACT.. or going with another ACT... Exedy doesnt have the holding power that ACT does.. Exedy is rated under 300tq and ACT is rated at almost 100tq more...

I have only had one problem with the ACT and it was after thousands of miles and 500whp... lol

but you being only near 350... i would suggest ACT :)

If you need anything let me know.. i sell both exedy and ACT...

good luck.. :)

[awesomenick]

Me and my friends use XTD stage 3's because they're cheap as shit and have lasted us for a while. We have had good luck with XTD's in a single cam running on natural gas @ 15psi, a stock dual cam, a CA18DET on 10psi, and a corolla with a 20v.

They're so cheap that it's hard for me to justify buying anything else, since it will just end up getting worn out. They grip really well, and they're only ~$150 shipped on ebay with the clutch/ pressure plate/ bearings. If you are worried about getting something that will last forever, etc, ignore my post. haha.

[clark]

I've been searching for a minute on the topic of clutch experiences. My hopes, were to find some credible insight on what's really a good clutch for the job. I should be getting my motor back from the machine shop on Saturday and will begin assembly next week. Before the knock occurred it was making around 330whp on an ACT street/strip. I never felt it slip but the car it was in wasn't used for drifting. Now that I've decided to put the motor in the other car (the one I've set up for drifting) I've started to think about upgrading; since its going to be so much easier to do out of the car. Right now I'm thinking Exedy stage 2. I don't plan to go much higher in HP at the moment but I guess I would like a little breathing room.

So basically my question goes out to all you mid 300whp guys that do more than the occasional 2 gear kick out.

What have you run before and how did you like it?


i don't drift much but i have an exedy stage 2 (3 puck) with a 10lb toda flywheel. i've recently discovered the 2nd gear clutch kick and it's effing awesome. i don't have 300 whp, i have more like 220 whp, but man is it fun. grabs every time, doesn't slip at all, and very tiny amount of chatter when taking off in 1st and 2nd gear, but only when going slow.

but i uhhh dd the car, so it's not very forgiving when slowing down for speed bumps and stop and go, and if you have shitty motor moutns and tranny mounts, ugh what a bish.

but if you're drifting, get it god damnit, you won't be upset.

get brand new high grade pressure plate bolts when changing it out, i snapped a bunch when doing mine.

[s14unimog]

Thanks for the replies so far!

I guess my own input is that an ACT street/strip will hold well at 330whp (with the occasional 275 tire size launch) and the pedal feel is almost like stock, very light and very streetable.

Now the other clutch that's in my "drift car" is unknown and chatter's like a b*tch and has a violent engage. I've been really hard on it for some time now and is doing fine (BPU SR 240whp). Once I swap motors over I'll look and see what it is. I'm currently DD this car b/c the motor is out of the other and being built for this one.

I'm not really one for doing a bunch of clutch jobs so I'll pay the extra $$$ to get a decent one. Appreciated experience input on the XTD though.

[born2boost]

im around 330 whp on a dynodynamics and i run an exedy stage 2 and love it. 3rd gear clutch kick at vir is insane.

[Sileighty_85]

OS Giken, more than you'll ever need

[born2boost]

will it eat transmissions though? Ive been scared to go with an exedy hyper single.

[s14unimog]

Sam from Tiger Racing (the shop that is building my bottom end) recommended a twin disk but has been complaining about tranny failures. I guess that's his reasoning for going to a Z32 tranny.

^ "more than I ever need"....wouldn't you call that too much?

[Massimo Power]

if you plan to really abuse it...

I have a 500hp evo thats running an ACT 6-puck with extreme preasure plate

its running super strong... have launched it about 3 times on some autox events

and currently has more than 10 track events...

ACT would be the way to go especially for around $350.. lol

[Sileighty_85]

^ "more than I ever need"....wouldn't you call that too much?

Better to have too much than not enough.

[Dousan_PG]

agreed
problems w/ many clutch is pedal feel

i use a ORC409 and it feels like stock
NOT heavy at all. so easy no extra pressure and bullshit most clutches ahve

flybert drove my car at an event.
bought a the same clutch the following week.


rhdjapan.com has them at a decent price
like any single plate it includes the TOB flywheel ctluch disc...grease..everything u need to isntall.
and its the jam.

[ni5mo240]

I need some suggestions with this issue also. I've had an Exedy stg.2 3 puck with Toda flywheel for a while, at first it was great but now it's slipping at stock boost. I always felt like the engagement point of this clutch is too high even after adjustment, like i barely place my foot over the clutch pedal wile driving and it slips bad. I want to get a clutch that will hold because I'm about to get the car tuned

[s14unimog]

yeah, I'm surprised that there hasn't been more comments on this.

[sillyvia13]

I need some suggestions with this issue also. I've had an Exedy stg.2 3 puck with Toda flywheel for a while, at first it was great but now it's slipping at stock boost. I always felt like the engagement point of this clutch is too high even after adjustment, like i barely place my foot over the clutch pedal wile driving and it slips bad. I want to get a clutch that will hold because I'm about to get the car tuned

you need to adjust the arm on clutch pedal...
lower it some and you good... I wanna say its a 14 wrench, and a set of pliers to spin it... 2-3 turns and your good.

I have a exedy hyper single... in my sr love it... caot alot but never once a problem, I have a rps in my na ka with lil unda 200 hp and love that too! but thats more street worthy...

I have done alot of xtd racing lately and I will probly run those from now on.... you cant beat $150 for complete kit $250 with frywheel

[DRFTWHORE]

OS Giken, more than you'll ever need

i gotta agree

[Def]

My ACT HD-SS is starting to slip at 18 psi. It all started when I ran E85 and it felt like I picked up maybe 10 rwtq. After that 18 psi and up in 4th gear and it would just rev up with the car accelerating about as hard as it does at 2k RPM in 5th. No idea on the power, but I'd say maybe 330-350rwhp(GT2876R at 18 psi, HKS cams, Freddy IM blah blah).

I'm probably going to keep the pressure plate and just toss in a sprung ACT 6 puck I got, as I like the pedal feel. Pucked clutches suck around town, but I don't drive the car except in anger much these days.

[Flybert]

After driving dousan's car, I decided to get an ORC409. I don't think I could settle for anything less than that nowadays. I used to love my RPS Max 6 puck but the pedal pressure is just too much. After you drive an ORC409, there's just no way to go back to heavy pedaled clutches. I love the way SR's rev with the ORC409 as well.

As a testament to RPS quality, I did about 30 or 40 events or so on it and it grabbed good all the way to the time I pulled my motor and noticed it was pretty much burnt.

[singlecamslam]

I use an Illegal garage clutch. Pedal feels pretty good not too soft and not too firm. Grabs really good, cant really complain about it.

[s13dan]

avoid SPEC... I have an exedy stage two and its great. Pretty light pedal and smooth engagment, never slipped.-260whp? SPEC sucks and i think my exedy is better than my old ACT.

[Sileighty_85]

avoid SPEC... I have an exedy stage two and its great. Pretty light pedal and smooth engagment, never slipped.-260whp? SPEC sucks and i think my exedy is better than my old ACT.

Yeah SPEC sucks Donkey Balls, This happend to my friends http://zilvia.net/f/tech-talk/209232-facking-pressure-plate.html

[Ninjabread]

My car came with a act street/strip, its fine for street, but doesn't hold 270-80hp at the track. You can tell it gets hot after a couple of runs, engagement point goes up higher.

Also, if you clutch kick in 3rd, say bye bye to the clutch, I know first hand.

Dunno what to do, I could sell the pressure plate and my fidanza and buy something nice, or i might just cheap out and buy a different clutch disk (6 puck unsprung) or something.

[yingiang]

i had an ACT clutch on my honda, it was a pos. after a week of breaking it in the day after 1000 miles i was just doing a spirited drive w/ friends and i bent the teeth on the pressure plate and grinded the hell out of my 3rd gear. i will never use ACT again after that experience.

it was an extreme pressure plate with a street disk.

[jskateborders]

Act 6 puck unsprung. The easy button for the clutch kick. Going around a turn you can sneeze and get sideways. Never had a slip once.

[s14unimog]

^ haha, unsprung; are you tracking only?

I'm thinking Exedy stage 2/3

[Z33dori]

I really wanna upgrade to a Super/Hyper Single clutch...

just not sure from who....

[Steveohoes]

RB performace clutches.
http://zilvia.net/f/advertiser-specials-sales/188116-rb-performance-clutchs-flywheels.html

stage 3 holds 320hp and its only 180 shipped.

[LongGrain]

I really wanna upgrade to a Super/Hyper Single clutch...

just not sure from who....

me too, my current clutch has let me down twice, only on launches though. drift days it performs beautifully, grabs every time, if i dont feather on launches it hates life though

ORC409 is looking pretty nice to me.

[SleepR 240sx]

I vote go exedy stage 2. My stage one is very nice, kicks great in second and third and grabs well. Pedal feel is noticably stiffer than stock, but not bad at all. On launches the exedy isn't the best IMO but for drifting I think it should get the job done.

[0100]

Need some recommendations and feedback on a really good road racing/autoX clutch. 300hp ish.

Been looking at these three...

BLITZ Active Clutch

Exedy Hyper Single

OGURA ORC409 Super Single

Not sure which one I should go with. I would really like some info on the BLITZ Active Clutch because that is the one I know the least about.

Also can someone comment on these clutches pedal feel. The ORC sounds like it feels nice.

Are these good choices for my application or would you guys suggest something different?

Thanks!

[Dousan_PG]

blitz is heavier pedal feel then stock
orc is about same as stock
i knwo enough people who blow transmissiions w/ exedy, which is why i didnt go wit them

advantage of exedy though IS USA customer support.

[Ninjabread]

Aaron would you recommend the bltz?

Price tag is rather attractive.

Debating just getting act 6 puck disk for 120 bones, or selling my act / fidanza and getting that blitz... for 350-380ps?

[s15specR]

ORC 409....great clutch and feels like stock...best of both worlds

[Dousan_PG]

blitz id say its easier to get
def is cheaper
my friend had one, no regrets.

[s15specR]

I originally thought about going with the blitz....however I took a trip back home and rove a car with the ORC and loved it...but Blitz seems to be a great buy for around 800 or 900.

[Ninjabread]

Sweet.

Do you know what the flywheel weighs on those kits?

Just wondering if its lighter than my fidanza, although it doesnt really matter.

[slideways2004]

Aaron would you recommend the bltz?

Price tag is rather attractive.

Debating just getting act 6 puck disk for 120 bones, or selling my act / fidanza and getting that blitz... for 350-380ps?

i have the blitz and I highly recommend it. the pedal feel is great too. just a little stiffer than stock which is perfect IMO b/c stock is pretty soft

[0100]

Thanks for the info guys.

[Z33dori]

hmmm

Bltiz and HKS seem to be priced the same...

are all of the Hypersingle/Super single clutchs pretty much the same?

[s14unimog]

i knwo enough people who blow transmissiions w/ exedy, which is why i didnt go wit them

I don't see why an Exedy clutch, specifically, has anything to do with transmission failure. Could you elaborate more on how they are related....?

[Ninjabread]

Clutch is super grabby and it "schocks" the drivetrain.

[Jordn]

I'm running about 350lb/ft torque and ran an ORC709 twin plate until a few months back, I hated it, it was too sudden to engage and I'm fairly sure what the cause of a couple of gearbox deaths. I could cut-out the engine doing 2nd gear clutch kicks sometimes!

Changed to a SPEC Stage 3+ Organic and its awesome, feels like a stock clutch but really nice for 3rd gear clutch kicks [we have fast tracks here in the UK so 3rd gear clutching happens more than 2nd!].

[s14unimog]

Clutch is super grabby and it "schocks" the drivetrain.

It was actually a rhetorical question. Once you get up into the HP levels for those single plate and multi disks you can say good bye to the SR tranny despite what clutch you have.

Jordn, thanks for the input.

[Ninjabread]

Jordn, I've never read a good review about those SPEC clutches, surprised to see you like yours.

[s14unimog]

^ http://zilvia.net/f/chat/190899-spec-stage-3-clutch.html

there is this link in the top corner of the screen that says "search", I dunno if you've seen it already but I ran across it a couple of years ago...

before you reply, laugh and untwist your panties

[Ninjabread]

Hah, I guess some people do like them.

Depends on who you ask though.

[Dousan_PG]

spec is trash
never never never

[Brian]

yeah jeez.
who the hell would even pay money for a SPEC.
I figured the only people that used them were those kids with the ugly cars that have crappy sponsors and do tryouts for s1 and formual d

[steve shadows]

I would have to suggest keeping the ACT.. or going with another ACT... Exedy doesnt have the holding power that ACT does.. Exedy is rated under 300tq and ACT is rated at almost 100tq more...

I have only had one problem with the ACT and it was after thousands of miles and 500whp... lol

but you being only near 350... i would suggest ACT :)

If you need anything let me know.. i sell both exedy and ACT...

good luck.. :)


Eh...

You arent talking about the exedy Hyper Single are you?

[s14unimog]

yeah jeez.
who the hell would even pay money for a SPEC.
I figured the only people that used them were those kids with the ugly cars that have crappy sponsors and do tryouts for s1 and formual d

:loco:

msglngth

[Jordn]

yeah jeez.
who the hell would even pay money for a SPEC.
I figured the only people that used them were those kids with the ugly cars that have crappy sponsors and do tryouts for s1 and formual d

Whatever, I'm actually trying one out and its pretty good. Not going on what someone else told me to say.

http://doristars.com/v-web/gallery/albums/EDC508/ESC_0060_copy.sized.jpg

560hp and the same SPEC 3+ all year says bang-for-buck, they are pretty good.

[Z33dori]

My mom is running a spec stage 2 in her Z.. i like it alot. grabs nice but not crazy or anything.

handles the beating i put it through when i drive it and goof around , clutches kicks and all.

2 of my other friends run them as well. They have held up to 2 years of clutch kicks and DD, WD events... never had a problem.

Actually i have never heard bad up Spec until this year....and all the bad has only been from 240 owners

[Ninjabread]

Being silly on the street cant compare to serious driving on the track.

I loved my ACT on the street, but on the track it gets hot real fast and start slipping likea bitch.

[Z33dori]

sorry i added more... i know its not the same.

both of my friends have ran same spec stage 3 since 06.... 0 problems..

[0100]

What kind of power is the ORC 409 rated for?

[s14unimog]

^more than most people need it for.

[0100]

i use a ORC409 and it feels like stock


it includes the TOB flywheel ctluch disc...grease..everything u need to isntall.
and its the jam.

Convinced me, I order one today!

So it comes with a TOB? Nice, so I just need to pickup a pilot bushing and rear main seal and I should be all set for the install.

Can't wait to try this fucker out!

[Dousan_PG]

yeah it does

[0100]

Cool thanks.

[McRussellPants]

Exedy Stage II.

380whp 360wtq

255/40 A032Rs for drifting is probably grippiest tire i've had in the back and it didn't slip

usually run 255+ Direzzas, so im really pleased.

[SilviaSR20DET]

i personally bought a exedy stage 2 because people who have them love it! Putting mine on this weekend but you can also look into RPS Max Street clutch which i heard is fantastic as well.

[s14unimog]

I went ahead an got a SPEC Stage III, I've had good experiences with them in the past so I'll let you know if she slips.

[Ninjabread]

orly.

i wonder how long itll last.

(in reference to mcrusspanties)

[bardabe]

i run an RPS Super Street. its holding very well on my Z at 14psi. love it.

[s14unimog]

Are all these clutch experiences from drifting use? Its not helping if you daily your turbo car like a girl....

Just letting any future commenter's know.

[Dousan_PG]

yes. it is
only drifting

[s14unimog]

^ Oh I'm not worried about you, lol!