cheap crap people buy

[uiuc240]

I've got a bone to pick.

There are certain times that I see people skimping (on this board and all over the US) on parts for their cars and it makes no sense to me.

I decided to write this post when someone was trying to defend $15 headlights for an S13 saying that it was no different than anything else. I'll tell you right now that the beam pattern and luminance of those lights are NOTHING compared to my $75 H4 conversion with 65w/90w PIAAs. I admit, I won't buy the PIAAs again (waiting for them to burn out...it's been 2 years), but the housings (glass Hella ones) are worth every penny. They'd be even better with HID. And they really are your only protection in the night/bad weather.

Second thing that pisses me off is when people cheap-out on tires (unless of course it's for drifting...). I see sooooo many people driving on no-name rock-hard $100-for-4 pieces of chit on their Oldsmobuick Taur-ables at 95 mph. It scares the crap out of me. I can just see one blowing out and sending the car across the center divide right into my 240 with W-rated (186 mph) Dunlops. I'm good to go...are they? Can they stop/steer adequately? It's not that their car was very good to begin with, but they just made it even crappier. And let me tell you, a 240 with cheap tires is *not* cool either. The ass will come around when you least expect it. Don't be that guy/girl.

Third is cheap brake pads. I think this is self-explanatory. If you get Lifetime-warranted Raybestos pads, don't come crying to me when you rear end some Suburban because they cooked up in 3 seconds. That goes for the fluid too.

Speaking of fluid...that's number 4. Cheap oil and filters is so ghey. You spend TONS on just insurance and gas, but you feel compelled to save $35 a year on oil. You deserve burned up valve guide seals and rings at 110k.

Fifth is cheap exhausts. If you can't afford mandrel bent pipes, a resonator, and quality welding, do NOT get a new exhaust system for your 240. Please, people. The rice must stop.

Sixth is cheap tint. Either get the good stuff or get none.

Anyone else care to add?

I just had to get that off my chest.

Eric

[Foxcolt]

LOL:D

I have cheap brake pads + Cheap tires. Plus my car's cheaply painted flat black with a cheap wing and cheap sideskirts.

Damn women and booze:p

I do understand what your saying though. But you must realize that this market is built on the average young adult with little or no money. Things like you just decribed are inevitable.

[uiuc240]

Originally posted by Foxcolt
LOL:D
Plus my car's cheaply painted flat black with a cheap wing and cheap sideskirts.



Jed, those aren't problems. I don't have a problem with budget-savvy mods/purchases. I guess the main point is that SOME stuff is really dumb to skimp on....like headlights (driving at night *used* to be scary for me) and tires/brakes.

But you have a point...cheap tires/brakes need to happen for some people. I guess the most important thing there is that they have to recognize the limitations. I'm tired of seeing Joe Average fly by on his bald General skinnies in the rain. Aren't you? If you have crap tires/brakes, drive appropriately. I drive hard because I know I can stop/turn/go with authority. Ricers in Civic HX's with 185/65-14's should NOT be weaving through traffic at 100+ like they always do.

OK, yeah.

Eric

[240 2NR]

Cheap turbo kits.

This isn't to say they can't be done, but coming on a list and asking how cheaply you can build a turbo sytem with junkyard parts, and then asking how to do it is nothing more than trouble waiting to happen. Especially when you have to ask how to change your oil in another post.

In my opnion, cheap turbo setups are for the experienced. If you have to ask, you're not ready for it. From now on I'm recomending books. 5 days reading Corky Bell's maximum boost will pay for itself by not leaving you stranded for 5 months when you do it wrong.

Ferrari's annoy me too. It's like everyone has one now-adays. Can't we go back to the days when they were still sought after status symbols....oh sorry wrong list.

[Yoshi]

as someone who was on both sides of the fence recently, I can understand the desire to modify your car, but not have the funds to do so... still, it's not an excuse. People are always saying they want this and that and haven't got the funds... well u know what? Save your damn $.

The problem is patience.
Like so often now days, people want things not soon, NOW. My opinion is, "Do it right the first time around". It's cheaper in the long run, and you don't run yourself the embarassment and dissapointment in whatever cheap thing you've bought/done.

I don't understand why people can't just suck it up and wait to do things right. :mad:

[Foxcolt]

Originally posted by uiuc240
Jed, those aren't problems. I don't have a problem with budget-savvy mods/purchases. I guess the main point is that SOME stuff is really dumb to skimp on....like headlights (driving at night *used* to be scary for me) and tires/brakes.

But you have a point...cheap tires/brakes need to happen for some people. I guess the most important thing there is that they have to recognize the limitations. I'm tired of seeing Joe Average fly by on his bald General skinnies in the rain. Aren't you? If you have crap tires/brakes, drive appropriately. I drive hard because I know I can stop/turn/go with authority. Ricers in Civic HX's with 185/65-14's should NOT be weaving through traffic at 100+ like they always do.

OK, yeah.

Eric

Yeah you do have a point. I do drive like a grandma for the moment.

I guess to put it in my words I'm sick of the uneducated car enthusiast who swears his muffler tip makes his car act/sound like a mustang. It's that kinda crap that bothers me. Or the peeps that come up to me and are like "Man did you do a silvia conversion?" that Sh*t pisses me off.

it's the people that fail to research their hobby that tend to be the most unsafe on the road. Those are the people that I don't even give the time of day to.

:D Since I put the wing in the back every ricer and their mother's are trying to race me. I love it! The best is when I give em a little taste then back off and they'll fly off into the sunset at like a buck ten! Classic.

[uiuc240]

That's what I'm saying. Intelligence is key. Car owners in the U.S. are 95% oblivious. "Why should I check my tire pressure?" "Where does the oil go?" Wow.

But you guys get what I'm saying. Cool. And Steve, you're right about turbo kits. Only a handful of us on this list could piece together a setup without blowing up our car. I didn't trust myself a year ago...hence the SR.

Eric

[AKADriver]

bro! y u h8n on my Kirkland tires yo?!?!

People would just rather flash cheesy bling than have a safe and fast car. But, I guess that's just the way things are. People set goals unrealistically high then cheap out to fudge their way there.

I'd rather have a near-stock 240SX than one with 8 billion low-quality "mods".

I always feel left out from the "wish list" threads because my wish list reads basically: tires, brakes, safety/driver comfort equipment, body repairs. But after driving my car to my personal limits, that's what I feel it needs...

[Foxcolt]

Originally posted by 240 2NR
Cheap turbo kits.

This isn't to say they can't be done, but coming on a list and asking how cheaply you can build a turbo sytem with junkyard parts, and then asking how to do it is nothing more than trouble waiting to happen. Especially when you have to ask how to change your oil in another post.

In my opnion, cheap turbo setups are for the experienced. If you have to ask, you're not ready for it. From now on I'm recomending books. 5 days reading Corky Bell's maximum boost will pay for itself by not leaving you stranded for 5 months when you do it wrong.

Ferrari's annoy me too. It's like everyone has one now-adays. Can't we go back to the days when they were still sought after status symbols....oh sorry wrong list.

You get what you pay for. (to a cetain extent)
I've seen junkyard turbo kits that would blow you away and I've seen kits that would make you cry.

I think it's great when someone wants to peice something like that together. It's an awsome learning experience. However a lot of people will skimp on the important stuff like fuel.

The greatest is when some guy came on here asking about BOV"s he said he didn't care about having a turbo he just wanted the cool sound:D I guess those NA BOV speakers really do sell. I've wanted to see one in real life since I saw it on takakira but I've never had the chace.
Nevertheless I digress.

[blaqsilvia]

:) I hate cheap people-- me and my $400 set of kumho's and nice brakes and expensive lights keep my car and passengers happy! :D You get what you pay for.. I pay for good stuff ;)

[sykikchimp]

I've always considered myself a connoisseur of fine things.. I believe this is especially important in cars. The amount of abuse alone that my car takes is well worth the extra dollar or two spent on something with a little better welds, or better design. Makes a world of difference. I'm not saying these better quality things have to be expensive, and not all things HAVE to be perfect to perform their function (STB's for example) but it usually ends up that way b/c of the extra R&D, and additional work to manufacturer parts to higher tolerances.

The ElCheapO turbo kit questions annoy the chit out of me too. Not b/c they want to do it cheaply, but b/c they usually have done NO research, and barely even know what a turbo is.

[Steeles]

lol yeah I hate seeing cheap stuff people start talking about how they ar gonna custom do this and that for a low budget mod I just tune them out.. and start thinking about all the money i've spent on my car and what all I still want to do. everywhere I've ever skimmped on the car I've regretted so I've adapted a pretty strict do it once policy. that policy is why I've had my sr for 6 months and it still running 7psi and no boost controller in sight :)

[240GURL]

My opinion is, "Do it right the first time around".

I couldn't agree with you more. I see so many cars with such potential, and I find myself telling the driver "if you had saved the $50 you spent on valve stem and wiper lights, you could be have 1/8 of a good exhaust paid for". Some people just don't understand how a stock car can look much better than a riced out/sticker laden one.

[Mark & Irena]

#1. OBX shifters
#2. Mufflers, period. (already mentioned)
#3. Rims (HATE CHEAP HEAVY NASTY RIMS with caps-big waste of money IMO. Save your pennies, get a quality product)
#4. Basic things for your car, as you guys mentioned: oil filters, maintenance items, steering/braking components (most important thing on a car).

That's me.

Irena

[uiuc240]

Originally posted by Mark & Irena
#1. OBX shifters


HAHAH! Irena, you rock. You'd get so flamed for that if you weren't a Mod. But yeah, I had that for a year and a half until going to the B&M...I didn't know what I was missing. So worth the $250. You really do get what you pay for 95% of the time with car parts. Dumb **** for lots of money just doesn't usually sell. Except for maybe bodykit parts. Those are SO expensive for what you get. But that's not safety-related, so to each their own.

It's good to see that lots of you agree with my P.O.V. I'm not trying to say that we're "l33t" here...just that we care about our cars, safety on the road, and respect the fact that stupidity breeds indifference.

Don't get me wrong (about safety), I'm not always on my best behavior when cruising around town, but I'm satisfied in knowing that my brakes are far beyond adequate, as is my suspension. I *am* taking it easy at the moment, though...damn Blizzaks! HA!

ciao,
Eric

[HippoSleek]

I'm not half as nervous about the sh!tboxes that populate the roads of our fair nation as I am the dumbfvcks that drive them. My gripe is people who build "race cars", then confine their racing to stoplights and freeways. Or, more embarassing, those that fail to realize that a stock Ford Exploder will dust them - despite their CAI/H/E and +2 wheels. The world is not a race. You are not constantly in competition with everyone who uses the same roads. There will be no trophy, no trophy girls, and no cash prize. All you get is a fat sack of depreciation and the sense of pride that comes from smoking a Navigator that wasn't racing.

As much as I detest cheap parts, I hate $$bling$$ parts even more. I'm really excided about your Ti exhaust that has a shorter life than stainless, costs twice as much, reduces weight (at the most insignificant point of your car) a whole 2 lbs., but burns to a cool orange color. Same performance, 1/2 the price, 30% longer lasting is better - even if it isn't what everyone in Japan uses.

Don't get me started on the people who justify mods b/c "people in Japan do it that way."

I'm leaning toward a wagon for my street car. Maybe then I can drive in peace again. I'm sure no one would want to race a wagon... even if it does will walk both an Exploder and a 240 w/ I/H/E and funny colored spark plug wires.

Mark - who can count his mods on one hand.

[Foxcolt]

:( :(

My cut and jbwelded OBX shifter has done just fine in the past year.

Stop making fun of it:mad:

[uiuc240]

Originally posted by Foxcolt
Stop making fun of it:mad:

Aww...don't be sad, Jed. You're still :cool:

Eric

[boosteds14]

ya i cant stand cheap turbo kits too,

you dont see a supra owner putting junkyard stuff on their car.

to turbocharge a car, you cant be cheap. do it like it supposed to be.

i also cant stand hondas, getting nissan headlights put on their car. or nissans putting honda lights on. (ive seen that)/ i just want to punch the ppl for that.

[sykikchimp]

Originally posted by boosteds14
you dont see a supra owner putting junkyard stuff on their car.

Of course, as is always said... "Supra owners can afford Supras!" :)

I have an OBX.. :( can't wait for someone to buy me a B&M for my B-day or something. (unless I drive a car with one, and realize the Superb Differences.

[240 2NR]

James, I see your point but I think you're a bit off the focus of this thread.

It's not so much ricing a car is dumb, or saving money is bad. It's rather saving or better yet, cheaping out on important parts. Getting $100 sets of tires is dangerous because the only part of your car in contact with the ground is your tire. If even this essential criterea of a car can't be met, you need to find a mode of transport other than a car or reevaluate your priorities. Driving is a privelege, not a right.

The same goes for turbo setups. Yes it's good to do it inexpensively if you understand them, but to blindly try and save money by going cheap is asking for trouble in the same way rock hard tires and the cheapest brakes is sacrificing saftey at the expense of a few dollars. There's a difference between saving money and pure crap that doesn't cost much.

[DuffMan]

My sealed beam headlight went out, so I aimed them down and always drive with the brights on.


So I guess I can't really talk much about others being cheap.

[SilviaDriver]

Originally posted by AKADriver
bro! y u h8n on my Kirkland tires yo?!?!


HAHHAHAHAHHA

[SimpleS14]

People buy cheap crap.....because......well they can't afford the good shit. But some people that start of ghetto do end up investing thier money wising and make a crappy car into a badass ride.

Hey I can get really good tires at $100 each....TIRERACK.COM. :)


Originally posted by boosteds14
or nissans putting honda lights on. (ive seen that)/ i just want to punch the ppl for that.

Do you have a pic or example? :confused:

[Jeff240sx]

Originally posted by uiuc240
Only a handful of us on this list could piece together a setup without blowing up our car. I didn't trust myself a year ago...hence the SR.

Eric

Umm... I blew up my car. Am I an idiot? Although I did skimp on fuel management... but I don't think that any management on earth would have kept my car in 1 piece after that boost spike. GODDAMN ****ING PIECE OF **** VACUUM LINE!
On the other hand... my setup ran for 10k miles before the line blew off.

Oh... I should add my list:
1) people with their hoods painted black to "look" like CF hoods.
2) red tape for taillights. It's cool for a night or two while you wait for real tail lenses to come in... but some people think it is a direct replacement.
3) heh. Cars with bodykits, bondo, and primer. No paint. Don't you think you'd have a budget, and included somewhere in it an item called "paintjob" along with a number next to it, like "600." The list should read Paintjob ........ $600.

Also... while venting about people thinking their **** is better... realize. If someone spends lots of money on something, they have to believe that it is awesome, or they wasted money. And most people can't deal with the thought that they wasted money.
-Jeff

[AKADriver]

On the hood thing, I know a few racers (not ricers) that painted their hoods flat black as an anti-glare thing, or just because it's a fiberglass hood and a real paint job cost too much... all function, damn what it looks like.

But ricers that paint their hoods gloss black to get the 'CF look' definitely need a smack upside the head.

[revat619]

i totally agree with you guys. Save your money and do it right the first time. One question though, i bought Kuhmo Ecsta tires right after i got the car cuz the ones that were on there were low on tread, well just a few days ago, i was talking to someone who used to drive a highly modified S13, when he saw my tires, he was laughing and saying they were cheap. Are they?

I didnt say anything, but i was kinda pissed. I mean what did he expect, im in high school working a part time job for $7.20 an hour. Its not like i can afford Parada's or Toyo Proxes.

[AceInHole]

Originally posted by Mark & Irena
#1. OBX shifters
#2. Mufflers, period. (already mentioned)
#3. Rims (HATE CHEAP HEAVY NASTY RIMS with caps-big waste of money IMO. Save your pennies, get a quality product)
#4. Basic things for your car, as you guys mentioned: oil filters, maintenance items, steering/braking components (most important thing on a car).

That's me.

Irena

#1. I have one. I like it.
#2. I have one. It's a stock replacement. I can't imagine having no muffler. You must like loud annoying cars :p
#3. Bought my cheap Racing Seneka look-a-likes for $400 including tires. A great aesthetic enhancement that also happened to allow me to use a wider tire. Much better than the stock steelies (unless you've got 205/60/R15 M+S tires on em :D) any day of the week.
#5. Won't complain there.

As for cheap crap... I think if people weren't cheap, we'd have nothing new. The whole idea of technology and developement is to make something else out of what's available to you. If I wasn't "cheap" I wouldn't have thought of a $75 fuel system that can handle up to 10psi of boost. If I didn't take the time to think about it I'd be using a more expensive and less reliable way of handling fuel in something like a rising rate fuel pressure regulator (which i originally had in mind for the turbo project).
When I was a newbie I did ask about what's involved in a turbo project. I went straight into FA, looked at all the bits and peices of people and their turbo'ed 240's, and compiled it all into a question "Is this all that's needed to build a turbo KA?" From there, a few pretty good discussions came out about handling the oil system, cheaply creating a manifold, welding in general, and of course, the fuel system. Sometimes those cheap "punks" bring a question to you that you never really thought of... so what starts out with a somewhat "repeated" issue can sometimes lead to something new.

Point being: Sometimes being cheap is very good. In some cases it leads to innovation. The only time when it's annoying is when it seems like the person isn't going to follow through with what they're saying, but that's not a problem of being cheap, that's a problem of being annoying.

[starfireS14]

Hey I got a cheap amp got my spec v rims for cheap heck i got my car cheap

[AKADriver]

see, James, AceInHole, you're missing the point of the thread...

DIY is awesome if you know what you're doing. Definitely the way to go. My car is all DIY stuff so far, using the materials on hand.

The peeve is people that buy substandard crap because it's "just as good!", or people that try to DIY something with no knowledge of the subject matter whatsoever, because they can't afford to do it the right way either way and don't want to take the time to learn how to do things right. Instant gratification.

[kandyflip445]

One thing I REALLY hate has to be CUT FACTORY SPRINGS. Add that to the bad tires, bad brakes, etc...:mad: Don't get me wrong if you have the things to cut them right and balance and test it and stuff then I guess it could still be safe. But c'mon...who would actually take the time to do that if they are cutting their springs in the first place.

Oh, and on lights...if you decide to get leds on your car fine. It just gets the cops' attention on you and not me. But please PLEASE get all the same color. I've seen one Honda here with 4 DIFFERENT colors!!!!!!:eek:

[SR240DET]

these cut springs ride great!! work wounders.... and this glowie apc tip makes things ever better... i slaped a semi truck turbo on my car... i get mad lag..... it smokes like a biatch.... and i have to use 200 oct. but it was well worth the $20 and 0.0 hp... sheeit.... things were never better for racing when i got these 30 inch blades.... sits a lil high.. but well worth the bling.... my sub and component speakers cost $10 but the quality is great!!!.... i use oil from my friend after he gets done with it.. and custom fab a oil filter from his honda to fit my ka semi T.... damn.. :D ;) :p :cool:

[tnord]

1) body kits..........
2) hood pins on OEM hoods.........that's the worst.

[uiuc240]

I am now thinking of using 2 1/4 exhaust tubing (perfect size) cut at an angle to make a double/triple gauge pillar pod

Go for it. I have no problems with DIY. A friend of mine used a section of an EG Civic bumper to make a 3 gauge dash pod. It works great. I have no qualms about that.

Concerning the ORIGINAL post by UIUC240:
What's so bad with regular halogen headlights?
Especially since 99% of the cars on the road have been doing fine with them...for what...decades?

Nothing. The thread I was referring to had someone there trying to say that the $15 Sylvania rice-lights are just as good as a $65 H4 conversion....and that's WRONG.

Second you mention tires.
You're associating price with quality. You can find a decent tire pretty cheap if you shop around- and if it's being sold in a store that's still in business I'd think they or their lawyers would try to sell a decent tire just to cover their asses from lawsuits.
Also, do you think a $$$ wide tire with grippy tread is better than an inexpensive all-season radial used in rain/snow? We live in Illinois, remember!

I know this. I have summer tires on 17s and Blizzaks on stock alloys. Point is, the 80,000 mile-warranted crap tires from the store are NOT going to have the same capabilities. They'll probably be even *worse* than OEM. I saw a $50k Bimmer rolling on General tires. Couldn't believe it. I couldn't help but wonder how they could afford such an expensive car, but bought $50 tires? That's another thing...this thread is *not* just about 240s. But I didn't want to put it in Off-Topic.

Third-----brake pads- the tire store/lawyer/lawsuit theory coming into play. For the regular driver out there- they don't need anything more than generic brake pads. Even if you streetrace/race at the strip- normal everyday pads are fine. Now if you autocross- well duh.

Raybestos is *worse* than OEM. Their "Lifetime" pads are hard as bricks. They glaze, they dust, they squeal, and they don't even stop well. Garbage. Trust me. But yes, they are cheap and lots of people buy them. I don't think they should. That's all.

Speaking of brake fluid- the tire/brakepad/lawyer/lawsuit/staying in business theory applies. Just about any oil filter will "do the job" for a daily driver. And oil these days are up to pretty stringent standards. If you look at your owners manual the oil "standard" recommended is already out of date- and better higher-quality oil is available across the board. After a couple oil changes with expensive oil filters and $$$ synthetic is in my very first "performance" car.....I decided that it was a big waste of money. Nothing wrong with buying a high quality inexpensive oil filter and dino oil.


You're right. But a LOT of people buy the cheapest oil and the cheapest filter they can find (FRAM and Coastal, for example). I'm not saying these can't be used (since they *do* have to meet ASTM/API/UL/etc. testing standards), but your car is something important...why buy the cheapest **** for it? If you're driving a Yugo, by all means, go for it.

I'll agree with you on the exhausts- a nicely welded cheap custom exhaust system from a race shop is a thing to behold. Now if we can just get the ricers to stop paying $500 for the N1 Dual {ducks for cover}

Ummm, yeah. That's obviously personal preference. And you're right, it's loud and it's shiny. But that's really just about the only thing ricey on my car. That and the BOV. Oh well, I admit to a bit of vanity now and then. But I *do* prefer the duals over the single for ground clearance...the single can is WAY too big and it hits everything.

Well good stuff must be installed by a professional = $200 at least. I installed tint myself on one of my cars like 10 years ago with $20 using Trak Auto tint. It came out/held up great- no bubbles etc. It depends on the person doing it and the care they take to prep the window etc.

Well, you're a rare case, bro. Most are purple with bubbles. I hate that. More power to ya, though!

For those who don't know UIUC240 and I will someday meet in real life- and I don't know how big he is- so I wasn't trying to be harsh at all. Even though I disagree with just about EVERYTHING he said!

I'm 6'2", 220, and one mean ****er! Hahhaa. No. And you're entitled to disagree. I think we're just seeing two sides of the same coin, really. I'm not saying it can't be done. I think it just doesn't make sense to me to cheap out on *certain* things. Even when I was 16, in high school, driving a busted-ass Jetta, I filled that shiz with Mobil 1. It just felt right. The car was good to me, so I was good to the car...see? That car, and my 'teg after it had cheap tires. I left on the ones that the previous owner had put on. Mistake. I learned my lesson...and that's why I'm trying to disseminate this opinion to others. Maybe you won't have to find out that your tires SUCK by sliding into a Sentra on I-57 just south of Chicago on your way back to school in January!! It blows. Then you get to drive a rental Neon. But then you end up with a 240, so life is good again!

Peace.

Eric

[AKADriver]

Just for clarification, the rice-lights were APC. Sylvania is great quality.

[240 2NR]

Originally posted by uiuc240 Maybe you won't have to find out that your tires SUCK by sliding into a Sentra on I-57 just south of Chicago on your way back to school in January!! It blows. Then you get to drive a rental Neon. But then you end up with a 240, so life is good again!

Peace.

Eric [/B]

I was thereand it sucked. What a f**ked up day. If only you had an SUV that day. Those things are amazing. With that four wheel drive you totally would have stopped in time:D Oh wait, that's another pet peeve of mine, but we won't go there......

Just to give Eric some credit, that accident was in no way his fault, unless you consider a guy who lost control and came across three lanes into our car backwards his fault.

[Mark & Irena]

did anyone mention cut springs yet? 'cause that needs to be mentioned... badly...

[DarkRaptor42]

I agree with alot of whats been said. Especially the part about the hondas with silvia heads. If you need a pic pick up the newest import tuner. As far as the Namgafs (say it backwards) ragging on the junkyard turbos, F you. Mine works fine. When I first came here I didnt know anything about my 240. One voice of reason told me to pick up Max Boost and now I know a ton having read that book a few times front to back.
Body kits too, I have one and Im not stupid, I molded mine in and the reason I dont drive my car around often is because Im waiting to get it painted.
Cheap parts are what you pay for I have to grip agianst that. Basically if you buy your parts at walmart or pepboys you need to be draged into the street in shot.
Cheap things people buy: Hondas and new VWs, also my girlfriends V6 mustang. I hate that car.
As far as tires go, if you drive a camery you dont need W rated tires. Im just ranting at this point because I took my escort (another cheap thing) to the shop to get the timing belt replaced (didnt want to do it) and I left the key for my 240 on the key ring and now Im stuck cause my dad locks up the 350z when he leave.... punk...

[uiuc240]

DarkRaptor42, I think you're missing some of the point on that turbo argument, too. You're one of the few on here who ASKED the questions, DID the research, and BUILT the turbokit. Most just want the most power for the least bucks and don't understand any of the issues with that.

Anyway, no one is dogging on DIY (at least I'm not). I'm just surprised to see people KNOWINGLY put crap on their car that they drive EVERYDAY.

Oh, and about the Camry not needing W-rated tires...you're right. Neither does my Mom's Accord. But we got her some Michelin XGT H4s and they kick ASS. All season, great traction, low noise, long enough lifespan...and they were about $80 each. You get what you pay for.

Eric

[240 2NR]

Originally posted by DarkRaptor42
As far as the Namgafs (say it backwards) ragging on the junkyard turbos, F you. Mine works fine. When I first came here I didnt know anything about my 240. One voice of reason told me to pick up Max Boost and now I know a ton having read that book a few times front to back.

I was the first to pick on junkyard turbos. Did you even read my post? Here's the highlight..


In my opnion, cheap turbo setups are for the experienced. If you have to ask, you're not ready for it. From now on I'm recomending books. 5 days reading Corky Bell's maximum boost will pay for itself by not leaving you stranded for 5 months when you do it wrong.

See, I'm not ragging on inexpensive setups, I'm ragging on doing them wrong or without doing the legwork before hand to learn how to do it right. You obviously took the advice I would have given you and said yourself it was worth it. So what was wrong with my post?

[HippoSleek]

Originally posted by uiuc240
Oh, and about the Camry not needing W-rated tires...you're right. Neither does my Mom's Accord. But we got her some Michelin XGT H4s and they kick ASS. All season, great traction, low noise, long enough lifespan...and they were about $80 each. You get what you pay for.

Eric
And the other side of this is that some jackwad in Mom's Camry doesn't need to be zipping down the freeway at 85 mph, cutting through traffic like Sam chasing Diedre and Seamus. I think there's a big difference between what's acceptable for Suzy Housecoat to put on her Family Truckster and what Johnny Ricerace should have before racing his motor swapped Civic down the freeway.

[uiuc240]

Mark gets a gold star for his insightful participation today! Goooo0000OOOO, Mark!

:p BTW, isn't it amazing what that Citroën XM can manage in Ronin when trying to keep up with the S8...and then in the scene you mention...the Peugeot with the M5?? They must have been using good oil and good tires and good brakes ;) :D :p

Eric

[DarkRaptor42]

Originally posted by HippoSleek
And the other side of this is that some jackwad in Mom's Camry doesn't need to be zipping down the freeway at 85 mph, cutting through traffic like Sam chasing Diedre and Seamus. I think there's a big difference between what's acceptable for Suzy Housecoat to put on her Family Truckster and what Johnny Ricerace should have before racing his motor swapped Civic down the freeway.

good stuff :):cool:

I apoligize for not being to clear minded in my last few posts. Im just really upset recently and havnt been thinking before I say or do somthing.

[uiuc240]

no worries, Dark...I had my flamesuit on http://www.nevac.nl/flensjes/images/smilies/flame.gif

Eric

[AceInHole]

Originally posted by AKADriver
The peeve is people... ...that try to DIY something with no knowledge of the subject matter whatsoever, because they can't afford to do it the right way either way and don't want to take the time to learn how to do things right. Instant gratification.
That pretty much describes me. I couldn't afford a turbo kit. I'm still not doing my kit the "right" way. When I started out, I was swarmed by the little things with the project that I had no idea about. At first, I even had myself on a deadline.
The point is, I eventually learned and brought something to the table after what seemed like a lot of time where I actually was one of the people who talked but didn't do. (even though i'm still not done.... crap).

[240 2NR]

Originally posted by uiuc240


:p BTW, isn't it amazing what that Citroën XM can manage in Ronin when trying to keep up with the S8...and then in the scene you mention...the Peugeot with the M5?? They must have been using good oil and good tires and good brakes ;) :D :p

Eric

What? Huh? Where was the Ronin reference? How did I miss it? Help me out here please...

[uiuc240]

Originally posted by HippoSleek
cutting through traffic like Sam chasing Diedre and Seamus

That would be the Ronin reference, Steve-o :)

Eric

[240 2NR]

Thank you.

[AAA240SX]

People are always saying they want this and that and haven't got the funds... well u know what? Save your damn $.

The problem is patience.
Like so often now days, people want things not soon, NOW.

I think this is the REAL problem. People want their cars modded any way they can do it...
So they get the cheapest parts available at the time.

I think this is also the problem with Americans in general. DESIRE! This is why you have so many Chapter 13's filed, so many debt consolidation companies, etc, etc...
JUST FAWKIN SAVE THE MONEY! People are ghey.

eBay reeks of cheap taiwanese rebranded parts too...eek...

[S14DB]

Why did you bump a 2yr old thread dude? You were around when it was a new topic...