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[syndicateone]

ok i dont know much about the 240sx or the nissan engines but i hope someone can fill me in here , whats the most i can expect from a plain 240sx  , what type of engine swaps are reasonable and effective and what the hp to expect onthem ? im looking for 350-400 hp if possible turbo/supercharger in mind to  thanks

[crazycuban]

you can always swap in an rb20, rb25, or rb26 (skyline engines) or even a vg30dett (300zx engine), but if ur goal is 300-400 hp, its not worth it. either turbo the stock motor (assuming urs is 91-98...if not, ur pretty much s.o.l.) or swap in an sr20det, which is what the silvia has in japan. personally, i would go with the sr, but thats been debated here before. do a search.

edit:  to clarify, the reason its not worth it is u can easily and relatively cheaply get 350-400 off a ka24de or sr20det.  i'd go for a skyline motor if u want 500-1000.

(Edited by crazycuban at 11:42 am on Dec. 5, 2001)

[syndicateone]

how much do skyline motors usually run for? any idea where i can find some of these motors?

[mistert]

you can get an rb20det for under $3000 full swap or an rb25det for under $4500 or so (i think) full swap. i wouldnt bother with the rb26dett though, it'll cost alot more, and actually requires modification to go in, the rb20 and rb25 will bolt straight in without any cahssis modification or work on the mounts and subframe. might want to talk to joel from www.unstable-hybrids.com. he could probably help you out on some prices. or if you're looking for a cheaper swap, www.boostdynamics.com seems to have some pretty good prices.

(Edited by mistert at 7:48 am on Dec. 5, 2001)

[syndicateone]

will the VG30DE-TT 300 ZX TT engine fit into a 95 240sx?

[ca18guy]

You could fit anything in there with enough money. Quit listening to every one's pipe dreams, from what you desrcibed the best route would be a SR20DET.

[syndicateone]

im new so im taking advice but in the end the goal is one really fast car  around 300-400+ HP so thanks

[ca18guy]

Well here are the prices from unstable-hybrids... this shop has done the swap before and has considerable experience in doing swaps in 240's, if you goto a inexperienced shop it will probably end up being more, the RB motors are not direct swaps like mentioned above the do require some modification.... anyway i'll let the prices do the talking.....

RB26DETT - from $12,000 to $15,000 (estimated)
RB25DET   - $8000 (estimated)
RB20DET   - $6800 (estimated)
SR20DET   - $4080
CA18DET   - $3380

[HippoSleek]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Quote: from syndicateone on 11:42 am on Dec. 5, 2001
will the VG30DE-TT 300 ZX TT engine fit into a 95 240sx?
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oops... never mind... I swore that guy was building a VG not an RB... (note to self - always check links before throwing them into a conversation)

(Edited by HippoSleek at 12:42 pm on Dec. 5, 2001)

[mistert]

vg swap requires an installation kit, i have seen it for sale for up to $3500, im sure that oso would give you a better price though...from what i've spoken with victor he seems very friendly and willing to help with anything, and very reasonable on prices

[HippoSleek]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Quote: from mistert on 12:39 pm on Dec. 5, 2001
vg swap requires an installation kit, i have seen it for sale for up to $3500, im sure that oso would give you a better price though...from what i've spoken with victor he seems very friendly and willing to help with anything, and very reasonable on prices
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so was that link proper?
http://members.blackplanet.com/osofast/
I thought he had a VQ in there and was talking about going RB. &nbsp;

[ca18guy]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Quote: from mistert on 2:39 pm on Dec. 5, 2001
vg swap requires an installation kit, i have seen it for sale for up to $3500, im sure that oso would give you a better price though...from what i've spoken with victor he seems very friendly and willing to help with anything, and very reasonable on prices
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If you got that from the site i'm thinking of, then thats a VG30ET install from a first gen 300ZX not the twin turbo version. The VG30ET puts out the same/less HP as a SR and is harder/heavier to fit in.

[syndicateone]

hmm seems like a lot of options to go from , but i thought about it and i defiantely want a turbocharged engine ,300 -400 hp+ &nbsp;still &nbsp;hmmm i dont know

[mistert]

the one im referring to said specifically &quot;VG30DETT&quot;. however i agree when people say go with an SR. I'd say rb20 is reasonable too, and rb25 is pretty reasonable as well, but theres nothing wrong with the SR to achieve your goals. 400+ HP is ALOT of hp though, especially in a car weighing around 2700lb without driver (LESS after the swap). i want a very fast car, but a 400hp car at that weight is ALOT to handle man. i would probably kill myself without a roll cage and some big brakes, and a whole lot of caution. if its what you want though, more power to ya.

just remember: power is an equation of money, money=power

you can do whatever the #### you want, as long as you can shell out the dollars

[ca18guy]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Quote: from mistert on 3:19 pm on Dec. 5, 2001
the one im referring to said specifically &quot;VG30DETT&quot;. </td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'>

Can you show me where you have seen that price then? &nbsp;Thats closer to how much you would pay for the engine it's self let alone a installation. #### a n/a 300zx can't even have it installed for that cheap.

[ca18guy]

I found the site your talking about. when they say &quot;Nissan 240sx swap kit starting at $3500.00&quot; they mean thats the parts (motor mounts etc.) that you need to install it, not the engine and install.

[syndicateone]

ok well it seems the best bets are to go with the RB20 or RB 25 or SR ...which would be the best ineach of your opinions and why , im wondering what kinda monds are avail for these engines &nbsp;and what is the stock HP for em if you know

[mistert]

yeah when i said &quot;install kit&quot; i didnt mean w/ engine, that'd be a pretty good price for just the engine and tranny itself, let alone an install and the modifications neccessary.

as far as the RB engines...i'd really say go with the SR if you want it to be easy. RB will go in just as fine, but you will have to fabricate new piping for intercooler and such, because you cant just go out and buy an FMIC kit for it. its really not that much more of a hassle...but when it comes to getting new pistons and rods and what not, you're going to begin to run into trouble (but the SR engine will handle PLENTY of hp with these). machining work wouldnt neccessarily be much different, and as far as turbocharger and headwork, anything requiring machining, it should be pretty similar. however, even though the SR is rare enough here, parts like cams will just generally be more difficult to come by...you can always get parts for the RB from takaikara or whatever if you need to.

for simplicity's sake i'd say go for an SR, its the most viable option living here, and it'll be just as easy to extract power as from the rb20. the rb25 will afford some more power, but end up costing you alot more in the long run, because of the rareness. if you REALLY need the power and money is no object, get the rb26dett, it'll requir alot of modification to the engine and the car but its doable, if you have the cash. i would only consider VG30DETT for a full drag setup. SR is just by far the most practical, and unless you're wanting to make over 550hp or so without EXTENSIVE modification, its just really hard to justify an rb25, unless you're just wanting to be really different.

[crazycuban]

yeah, like mistert said, sr.
parts arent really a problem, ur gonna have to import most parts for the sr too, and the rb is big in japan. &nbsp;most peeps think its all about the gt-r, but lower skyline coupes get a lot of attention over there. &nbsp;actually, ive heard the fastest car in australia is a r33 gts-25t, not a gt-r. &nbsp;shows the potential of the rb25.
on the other hand, do u really need that much potential? &nbsp;with 350 or 400 hp, an rb is useless. &nbsp;yeah, its great to say &quot;i have a skyline engine&quot;, but u will have the same power output, and it will upset weight distribution somewhat. &nbsp;why not go for the sr and get 50/50 weight distribution, instead of the (ballpark) 53-47 that u get from the rb? &nbsp;especially if ur gonna get the same power output? &nbsp;and less money? &nbsp;
go for the sr.

[BlankFlip]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Quote: from syndicateone on 6:21 pm on Dec. 5, 2001
ok well it seems the best bets are to go with the RB20 or RB 25 or SR ...which would be the best ineach of your opinions and why , im wondering what kinda monds are avail for these engines and what is the stock HP for em if you know
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for 240's. the sr would be ideal b/c it's cheaper, u will have better weight distribution, cheaper and easier to find parts, it's a 4 so gas will be better (compared to the turboed 6's), n it won't crowd up ur engine bay as much as a rb25 or vg so u will have more space to work w/ it, n it's already a built performance engine that can give u all the power u'd need.

[syndicateone]

ok so everyones basically sayign SR bcuz its cheaper and easier to find parts for and not as hard ok well after so many months i want a street show car but also a street racer not like red light green light go type but a street car that for fun i can take to the track right off th street and go race it or something so with that in mind the ideal goal is 350-400 &nbsp;not really concerned about weight as far as this engines twice as heavy or whatever but the distribution has to be right. &nbsp;is there anyplace where i can get a turbo charger or super charger kit for the sr or say competition fuel rail and intake manifolds?

[mistert]

well the rb or sr engines would COME with a turbocharger on there, it sjust a matter of putting on a bigger one and a bigger intercooler. yes, you can get N/A rb engines, or N/A sr engines, but i doubt there are any supercharger kits avialable. IMO it'd be worth it to just get a turbocharged one, not to mention it'll be easier to find a turbocharged one, since nobody seems to want N/A RWD SR or RB engines.

and well, the RB engine will be just like 75lb added to the front or so, compared to the SR. it is a reasonable good idea for a show car though, because how many other people will be able to say their car has a skyline engine in there. if what you want is uniqueness then yeah get the RB. it wont give you too much of a negative handling effect. if you have the money to spend i say go for it, 400hp will be easy to achieve on an rb25det (i think the stock turbo and internals and everything are capable of this), and its really a better engine for all intent purposes.

as far as shit like competition intake manifolds and fuel rails, speak to sam from www.jspec.com he can fix you up with whatever you need, show or go

[wherezmytofu]

sr swap is the best overall, the vg swap...that in doing....drinks more gas is less streetable....thr rb swap i feel is just out of the question cuz of the $$$$

[AmericanBornSilvia]

lol i want a ca18det swap =)

[thewholefnshow]

Like mistert said, 300 horsepower is a TON is that car. 400 would be suicide and more than 400? Whooo, that's a straigh line monster, keeping that things ass planted in corners with that much power will take one helluva driver.

[Sway500]

I would go with the RB25DET if i were you. &nbsp;There was a guy in Florida with a S14 with one he put a T04 turbine and other mods(boost controller,intercooler,etc.) and he ran low 11's. His car was capable of 10's but he didnt have a cage so he couldnt run them. &nbsp;I think he ran those numbers on street tires. &nbsp;You will have to fabricate a custom manifold cause it wont clear the steering linkage. I dont recommend that for a daily driver either.

[ceramicus]

Listen to these guys they know what they are talkin about. KA or SR are both the way to go to get 300-400 easily, cheaply, and still able to work under the hood easily. The VG30DETT is goona be a &nbsp;nice engine though....smooth as silk, but will be more expensive and will involve alot of work and money. I talked with oso aka victor, and have finally decided to go with a 2jz-ge engine from a &nbsp;Supra (hint dont get the turbo version because you wind up swappin it anyway) I want Hybrid.
Nissan makes #### good engines, and i lknow many people here will disagree witha &nbsp;whole different manufacture's engine in the car....but im not a &nbsp;purebred and neither will be my car. &nbsp; &nbsp; #### i bought the car because of the smooth lines and not the engine. Who here bought the 240 becasue you read about the KA24de and wanted the car becasue of the engine, or the SR.
#### i ddint even care about the engine as long as it ran the thing home after i bought it.


Just imagine 2jz-gte engine modified with the body kit from

www.Jacquemond.com

[matic 240sx]

get an s13 sr20det motor, a front mount intercooler... a boost controller, run a straight pipe to the muffler, a bigger turbo (ball bearing turbo), 550cc injectors and run 21 psi :X 350hp easy <img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':D'>

(Edited by matic 240sx at 3:34 am on Dec. 7, 2001)