Lil Wayne vs. Nas

[EckSyleSX]

Alright once again i had another music debate with my cousin. He says that Nas isn't good and that Lil Wayne is better and that he has better club music and he's all over the tv and radio. As everyone knows Nas is all about getting his voice out, he isn't the type of rapper to make club music or change he's style to fit in with the new generation of hip hop. So my question is what do you all think about it. Who do you think is overall a better hip hop artist? From lyrics, single, beats, remixes, albums, concerts down to who will continue to make great music who takes it?

[lflkajfj12123]

nobody cares.

[grips13]

lmao........

[EDacIouSX]

nas actually has lyrics

lil wayne fucking sucks hairy ball sacks. have you heardh is new song? wtf is he doing just mumbling and has some synth? Wtf u even debating rap. all the new stuff is fucking homo sexual music.

[lflkajfj12123]

i love balls

[allntrlundrgrnd]

This is like david vs. goliath, except Nas is goliath and just steps on lil wayne


and this thread sucks

[MikeisNissan]

N a s t y Nas

[DUFFM4N]

Nas is like a terminator

dont say my car's topless...say the titties is out


seriously though, all these lil wayne fanboys....never heard SO much hype about someone so whack EVER (other than soljah boy)...95% of the people who think lil wayne is the "BEST RAPPER ALIVE" (been hearing that a lot) barely picked up his music when Carter 3 came out....

Nas has been there since i can remember, he's a lyrical story teller...fresh beats, dope lyrics to compliment...rather than talkin about "im a vanarial disease"...who would wanna claim that shit!? :goyou:

with that being said....i leave you with a few of my most favorite Nas tracks

YouTube - Nas - Made You Look (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5gWD4g63RNI)

YouTube - NAS - One mic (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nrlZUlcV_Fg)

YouTube - Nas-Nas Is Like (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BQHHdrzU4P0)

and this last one, i must hear AT LEAST once a week on the radio...its hard to believe it came out 12 almost 13 years ago

YouTube - Nas - If I Ruled The World ft. Lauryn Hill (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pzY6OUo6zn8)


and to top it all off...Nas is half man half amazing :keke:

[allntrlundrgrnd]

Straight out the fuckin' dungeons of Rap

YouTube - NAS - New York state of Mind (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zvdagfwaRzA)

[MikeisNissan]

YouTube - Nas-Thief's Theme (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_4m2HDuoReM)

[MikeisNissan]

YouTube - Nas - Got U'r Self A Gun (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z-kV7ko_Xl0&feature=related)

[WERDdabuilder]

nas and lil wayne shouldn't even be compared. nas is leaps and bounds ahead of wayne in every aspect of music.

illmatic alone kills all of waynes albums put together.

to me he is nowhere near nas/jay/big/pac.

eddie you forgot.....
YouTube - Nas - Represent (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QKYkDwzi-FI)

[demonspeed]

Lil Wayne is garbage....EVERY one of his verses is about the same thing...money, hoes, weed, and "i got this and you cant get it" stuff.

IMHO, Nas is a LYRICIST and Lil Wayne is a RAPPER....and yes, there is a difference

[DUFFM4N]

and for some reason Nas always reminds me of a toned down version of Slick Rick

http://www.boston.com/ae/music/blog/Nas.jpg http://www.highergroundmusic.com/u/shows/3/slick_rick_21.jpg

[ms!3]

I don't like rap, so i hate them both equally.

[rainier]

i like both but you can't compare both. Nas has some deep lyrics and wayne.. well he just raps to make the new hype song. two different styles.

i wont say wayne's shit is garbage though, i do enjoy listening to both of their recent albums.

who can you compare The Game with though?

[projekt_s13]

Nas > lil wayne

[berz]

if i ruled the world id rock a q45 infinite....... nas all the wayy!!! nuff said

[downshift_sideways]

Nas fucking shits on lil wayne.

Who would compare weezie to NAS??

Nas been in the game for centuries.

[kyoru]

Can't even compare, Nas actually sits down and delivers a message, Wanye just raps crap to sell.

[Mi Beardo es Loco]

nas would take lil wayne to the back of the bus, saw off his head, then show his decapatated head to the other bus riders. But Nas would escape with the head so he could ritually pee in it.

[downshift_sideways]

Oh by the way..

I just left you neg rep..for asking us...a question that is clearly answered within itself.

[d*star180]

Alright once again i had another music debate with my cousin. He says that Nas isn't good and that Lil Wayne is better and that he has better club music and he's all over the tv and radio. As everyone knows Nas is all about getting his voice out, he isn't the type of rapper to make club music or change he's style to fit in with the new generation of hip hop. So my question is what do you all think about it. Who do you think is overall a better hip hop artist? From lyrics, single, beats, remixes, albums, concerts down to who will continue to make great music who takes it?


If this is a valid debate to you, you have no fucking clue what real rap is.
I want to vomit over and over.

[Mi Beardo es Loco]

If this is a valid debate to you, you have no fucking clue what real rap is.
I want to vomit over and over.

there is a reason why the youth of america is descending so quickly

[MikeisNissan]

crank that soulja shit

[demonspeed]

i like both but you can't compare both. Nas has some deep lyrics and wayne.. well he just raps to make the new hype song. two different styles.

i wont say wayne's shit is garbage though, i do enjoy listening to both of their recent albums.

who can you compare The Game with though?

people that can mess with Game: Glasses Malone, Bishop Lamont, Ya Boy, Eastwood...

[MikeisNissan]

too bad he's a fairy with the memory of a butterfly on his mug.

[demonspeed]

crank that soulja shit

LMAO the best dumbest song/dance EVER...and no i'm not included in that lol! I hate Soulja Boi but i respect him for producing a ENTIRE cd from Fruity Loops (which BTW is a complicated program...well to me anyway, lol)

[s14jesse]

lil wayne is is gay period hes just a folower..lol

[origin_s135]

nas will murder wayne on the mic. lil wayne drinks too much codeine, that crap will get him so slow he wouldn't even know what to say.

[ericcastro]

Lil wayne is dope.

But him and NAS arent anywhere near the same catagory.
NAS would own Wayne. I actually bet NAS is into Wayne. Waynes attitude about society has changed for the positive,a dn he is trying to do positive things as well as take hip hop serious.
NAS prolly respects that.


NAS just isn't a club music guy. But that makes it that much more dope that he does get spun, and even bitches are singing along.

And Slick Rick the ruler is dope in concert too ;)

[murda-c]

nas is a much better rapper than lil wayne.

I still listen to both though.

[EDacIouSX]

i remember when lil wayne came out with the block is hot.

YouTube - Lil Wayne - "Tha Block Is Hot" (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=54iNNQ2pJpA)

and i still dont like him... lol.

[revat619]

Nas is hands down better ALL AROUND.

I will say though that Lil wayne has improved DRAMATICALLY from his days with that cash money bullshit.

Wayne is a better mixtape/free style kinda rapper. I use better sparingly though. I say this because Nas' BEST stuff is written and not off the top. Thats not to say that his freestyle stuff is wack though.

Nas is better lyrically. His music is better.

My only "complaint" is that i wish Nas wasnt so damn serious all the time. I mean you dont have to act stupid and dumb yourself down to look your having a good time. I can only listen to him for so long.

Same goes with Wayne. He's the hot commodity right now, but it will pass.

In all seriousness though, this is a dumb comparison. Look at Nas' album history. Look at his stats. This shouldnt even been a discussion.

[HyperTek]

i like niether but i respect nas and his style... i think weezy aint even tryin anymore. hes at a point where he can gibber jabber and people love it or drop appearances on others tracks..

i jus cant stand weezys look.. lil ass dude needa keep his shirt on and cut his hair lol

i think jayz workin on a new album blueprint 3.

people who dont like hiphop stay out of a hiphop thread. i can understand some people dont like it. i cant stand rock myself. im not gonna go blast in a rock thread etc

[EckSyleSX]

If this is a valid debate to you, you have no fucking clue what real rap is.
I want to vomit over and over.

a debate can be about anything so 1st explain to me how it is not a valid debate and 2nd explain to me what real rap is to you since obviously you don't believe Nas is real rap.

[HyperTek]

This is a thread about commercial rappers.. we can go all day about who is the best rapper in general *probably some underground shit*.. but this is between whos hot right now in the media.. so i think this is a valid debate.

anyways here u go for a comic skit
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dKCTdOO3qGA

[downshift_sideways]

Everytime I hear lil wayne's voice..

I feel like punching a baby.

[CrashQueen]

how DARE you even compare the two. are you freaking kidding me?





whatta FAIL.... :hammer:

[grnappletree14]

NAS is grimey in his own way and style his lyrics shows it. lil wayne on the other side well his old shit was tight, the thing i like about him he changes it up some time how he raps and the moment, the beats are grimey. just lately in the past 2 years, the drugs caught up to him and now he is it for the money. he just want more to buy more drugs. thats y he start making club music. he got caught for with some. on the drug/money part he got to into them both. his new shit is still foul though.

Lil wayne busted smuggling weed and cocaine into Mexico! | Rap Rumors (http://rap-rumors.com/lil-wayne-busted-smuggling-weed-and-cocaine-into-mexico/)

LIL WAYNE CHECKS INTO REHAB? WEEZY SAYS COCAINE RUINED HIS LOOKS
2008-06-04 20:35:00
Rapper Lil Wayne says the reason why he quit doing coke is because it was giving him zits and messing up his complexion. WTF? We didn't know Lil Wayne was a pretty boy. Weezy really needs some help and an intervention. He was arrested on drugs and weapons charges. Remember Wayne also has a problem kicking that pesky syrup addiction? Bossip claims a source told them the rapper may have checked into rehab. Weezy's new album Tha Carter III drops on June 10th. Tha Carter III album has already been leaked by pissed off mixtape DJ's after Lil Wayne told them off. We expect the album to sell alot of units and we really like the Lollipop Remix with Kanye West and Young Jeezy. Get better Weezy! Rapper Lil Wayne has given up taking cocaine, because the drug ruins his complexion. The Lollipop hit-maker insists he now sticks to marijuana, after experiments with the white powder threatened to ruin his good lyrics. Wayne tells Blender magazin...


check out this video if him on a radio station flowing. he like in his own world has slow reactions u can tell he on drugs. his flow sick though. theres a part that says something about money then how he sit back to tell his bus driver where to go. then he smiles and he stop flowing cuz he didnt want to flow about the drugs on the bus. just like what is said before money and drugs. starts at 2:28

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JCSw3Y4E1OI

[Vision Garage]

I gotta respect for lil Wayne kissing another man. I mean damn much love for the gay rights movement and Thank you lil wayne for supporting gay rights! What has NAS DONE? haha.

NAS FTMFW!

[Phlip]

I don't like rap, so i hate them both equally.
The irony, in the face of this statement, of your responding in this thread is staggering.


To the topic at hand:
Nas and Wayne are not to be in the same discussion, unless the conversation is a broad sweeping generalized discussion on hip hop.

For those blindly hating on Lil Wayne, I am not even going to bother trying to discuss the FACT that he has grown more than ANY artist over the course of 6 full length solo albums in 9 years and even more compilations in like 15. Seriously. To claim that he can't rhyme simply goes to show that you've not bothered listening and are making claims based on preconceived notions based on where he is from. Good luck seeing the forest for the fucking trees.

Nas has been on the whole guns/drugs/bitches/clothes/jewels shit for his entire career, and has actually taken steps BACKWARDS in the name of such. Yes, he is one of the best lyricists of our time, I know this. Yes, his wife is fucking STEAMING hot, I would kill him for a one-nighter with her. Yes, he has a classic album under his belt, and ONLY one.

At the end of it all, given styles of music and presentation, Nas and Wayne are on 2 different planets, and to compare them is unfair to either. Furthermore, those selling up Nas as a "underground" artist in comparison are selling themselves WAY short, given the fact that he has been signed to Columbia/Sony and now on Def Jam... In both places, it has been his job to be famous and sell fucking records. Otherwise, he is broke, poor and unemployable otherwise, as a high school dropout. Trust and believe, he WANTS to be on BET, MTV and VH1, the radio and in your CD player. "Underground artist" does not this make.

[stiizy]

i love balls

Mad Random Soap

Everytime I hear lil wayne's voice..

I feel like punching a baby.

Hahahahahaahaha

how DARE you even compare the two. are you freaking kidding me?





whatta FAIL.... :hammer:

That's what i'm saying....


Yo it feels like every two weeks in here there is a debate about Weezy

I personally think he's wack, but he's on his own shit..

Phlip and Ecastro can put you up on his good qualities...

As for comparing him to NAS someone has to be outta they monkey ass fuckin mind...

I've seen NAS pick up the Koran(spelling?)

And start ripping it while reading it,
that shit was crazy

[shmiddy]

nas would take lil wayne to the back of the bus, saw off his head, then show his decapatated head to the other bus riders. But Nas would escape with the head so he could ritually pee in it.


LMFAO you said it best

lil wayne's music is catchy at most but after listening to that song lolly pop i taught to myself .... "yet i can do this" lol i dont know why that song blew up so huge.... the lyrics are WEAK

nas on the other hand is at the top 5 of my list

big
2pac
nas
big pun
jay z

[Antihero983]

I'm sorry what's that? KRSONE is better than both of them? I thought so.

[stiizy]

^^ Agreed...................

[demonspeed]

I'm sorry what's that? KRSONE is better than both of them? I thought so.

word...:bowdown:

[LeftNutOfGowd]

I cant really cast a vote in this I'm not much of a Hip Hop/Rap fan anymore since all the shit out now is garbage. But if i had to pick i would say NAS i would listen more to Wayne must but if they were to battle Nas would kill him.

Did anyone else see this advertisement lol

http://i250.photobucket.com/albums/gg246/rborroel21/wayne.jpg

[shmiddy]

lol

found this



http://i39.photobucket.com/albums/e172/kekoa_503/my%20photos/LIL_WAYNE_LOLLIPOP.jpg

[stiizy]

I cant really cast a vote in this I'm not much of a Hip Hop/Rap fan anymore since all the shit out now is garbage. But if i had to pick i would say NAS i would listen more to Wayne must but if they were to battle Nas would kill him.

Did anyone else see this advertisement lol

http://i250.photobucket.com/albums/gg246/rborroel21/wayne.jpg

Thank god i'm a premie so i dont see gay shit like that

[Vision Garage]

Fucking lil wayne is the teeny boppers rap star now. and WTF are you wearing?

[ravinaziankid]

Like everyone said already, Nas can't be compared to lil wayne. I still listen to all the old Nas albums and I can still listen to it all the time. I do have some of lil wayne's albums but it gets so damn annoying listening to him go on and on about random crap..gives me a headache, it's like going up and down a million times. Definitely not as smooth as Nas. I think a better comparison would be either jay-z or the game or something.

[k's_silvia2.0]

WTF! Lil wayne....are you serious he can bearly talk.

[PF ALL DAY]

Lil Wayne is just clever with lyrics. But most people don't take the time to understand him, like any book with a shitty cover.

Nas is still Nas.

I listen to both.

[Dutchmalmiss]

The irony, in the face of this statement, of your responding in this thread is staggering.


To the topic at hand:
Nas and Wayne are not to be in the same discussion, unless the conversation is a broad sweeping generalized discussion on hip hop.

For those blindly hating on Lil Wayne, I am not even going to bother trying to discuss the FACT that he has grown more than ANY artist over the course of 6 full length solo albums in 9 years and even more compilations in like 15. Seriously. To claim that he can't rhyme simply goes to show that you've not bothered listening and are making claims based on preconceived notions based on where he is from. Good luck seeing the forest for the fucking trees.

Nas has been on the whole guns/drugs/bitches/clothes/jewels shit for his entire career, and has actually taken steps BACKWARDS in the name of such. Yes, he is one of the best lyricists of our time, I know this. Yes, his wife is fucking STEAMING hot, I would kill him for a one-nighter with her. Yes, he has a classic album under his belt, and ONLY one.

At the end of it all, given styles of music and presentation, Nas and Wayne are on 2 different planets, and to compare them is unfair to either. Furthermore, those selling up Nas as a "underground" artist in comparison are selling themselves WAY short, given the fact that he has been signed to Columbia/Sony and now on Def Jam... In both places, it has been his job to be famous and sell fucking records. Otherwise, he is broke, poor and unemployable otherwise, as a high school dropout. Trust and believe, he WANTS to be on BET, MTV and VH1, the radio and in your CD player. "Underground artist" does not this make.

+1. Listening to Lil Wayne progress throughout his albums is pretty cool. And his creativity with metaphors and nonsense is so damn fun to listen to. He's one of those artists that just grow on you. Some people don't like him for the reason that his raspy voice makes his lyrics hard to understand, but once you get past that, it's just ear candy.

Nas on the other hand is a legend, a jedi. He's REALLY good at painting pictures of vivid imagery with his lyrics. He doesn't just have it down to a science, he has it down to a passion/obsession, hence the "serious" face we all get from him lately.

[DohcKA]

nas will murder wayne on the mic. lil wayne drinks too much codeine, that crap will get him so slow he wouldn't even know what to say.

he be off that lean... shit really be makin you lean haha... robin where the fuck you been

[Mikey213]

Since i'm half black and have Egyptian roots I look at it as who knows how to exercise their pineal gland aka 3rd eye/chakra/FLOW* more. So i would say Nas because not only can he use his 3rd eye to a 1st person point of view but also a 3rd and also towards edification. Not to many can do that nowadays. This is from a scientific comparison.

[sb253]

Kool Keith & Motion Man>both

[Phlip]

Kool Keith & Motion Man>both
Bullshit!
Kool Keith ADMITS to rapping about bullshit that makes no sense and has no context, and that he does so without rhyming most times... It is best only in spurts. Notice as well, that his verses are often way off because he does not count his bars or even rhyme to the beat.

Motion man is okay, nothing to call home about.

Tell me, make me understand what makes them so much better, and if such is true, why have they not had any success as a result?

[stiizy]

^^ They done fucked up now


hahahaha

[HyperTek]

ok i actually had to look up "the block is hot" as mentioned in this thread for i forgot how that sounded *they dont play that shit on westcoast radio*

I kinda like old weezy when he was cash money the songs where fun to listen to... now to me its gibberish lol.

Jus wait til Andre 3000 drops his solo album... gonna be fire probably throw him up there as a solo artist *even tho outkast isnt broken up they still together, just doing solo projects right now but they still plan to do albums together*

[s13poop]

i don't even wanna get started on this...

i'll post when i have time

[sb253]

Bullshit!
Kool Keith ADMITS to rapping about bullshit that makes no sense and has no context, and that he does so without rhyming most times... It is best only in spurts. Notice as well, that his verses are often way off because he does not count his bars or even rhyme to the beat.

Motion man is okay, nothing to call home about.

Tell me, make me understand what makes them so much better, and if such is true, why have they not had any success as a result?


i dont even like hip hop or rap or whatever you want to call it. I DO like me some Keith or Motion when i need it though. Personally, is mostly because of Kutmaster's beats. Im very beat/bass oriented and I usually give 2 shits about what a "lyricist" is saying, but I say away from that genre 99% of the time anyway so... From reading your prior posts about the subject you seem pretty passionate about this style of music. Thats cool. I am passionate about other forms of music, thats cool too. I was just playing around and giving my opinion, which was probably swayed because at the time I WAS listening to Masters of Illusion. Straight focused :)

EDIT: I got neg repped for posting in an OT weezie vs. NAS thread. hahaha
you guys take your hip-hop WAY too seriously

[ericcastro]

^you prolly got negged because we are having a discusion about 2 artist and you come in and just throw some random shit in here.

BTW, your from WA state, of course you love Keith, and some octogon, and some dr doom. thats typical WA state. (im from there, i know).

So that being said, if you want to get into a little more hip hop, try Del The Funky Homosapien. The album is 3030. Its got some beats you would dig, and its an album that just tells a story. Really, check it out, you'll love it. The album takes place in space in the year 3030 while Del and Automater travel through space rap battling on thier way back to earth.

yes really, wierd huh?? lol
Its so good!
And theres even an instermental album for 3030, i used to have that too.


Sorry, a little OT guys, just trying to stop this and keep the discussion up.
I enjoy the RAP/HIPHOP discusions we have on Zilvia.

[ESmorz]

Just compare portfolios.

Done

(and Lil Wayne's hook in that new David Banner song is fucking terrible and makes the song un-listenable lol)

[Phlip]

Just compare portfolios.

Done

(and Lil Wayne's hook in that new David Banner song is fucking terrible and makes the song un-listenable lol)
Compare portfolios how?

[ESmorz]

Compare portfolios how?

Their musical portfolios. Aka their body of work.

It's pretty easy, just click play.

:kiss:

[Phlip]

Their musical portfolios. Aka their body of work.

It's pretty easy, just click play.

:kiss:
No, I was saying that one has been no more commercially successful than the other, unless you want to count the fact that Nas was getting FUCKED on his initial deal.
Also, one is no less popular or reaching as many people with what they want to hear. At the end of it all, if you don't like something, will you:

Turn off the radio.
Preach to the fucking hills about how whatever it is you dislike is beneath you.
Blindly hate on someone/something that you've made no attempts to listen to objectively.

... or will you take things for what they are and leave people to do/consume what they like?
Me? I "live and let die," I exercise my right to not give a damn. It so happens that I like Nas AND Wayne, both a whole lot to be totally honest. I also recognize that they fill 2 completely different spots in my rather vast musical tastes. I can appreciate it from both sides.

[ESmorz]

I'm not a huge fan of either.

I can just give Nas the nod because he has been in the game for a long time and has a few really great tracks and is STILL putting out relevant and evolving stuff.

[Phlip]

I'm not a huge fan of either.

I can just give Nas the nod because he has been in the game for a long time and has a few really great tracks and is STILL putting out relevant and evolving stuff.
And when you make statements like that, you're assuming that Wayne is not. I will take it that you did not try to take in the last album if you can ignore what was said, because honestly, between the way black people have been shit on in the media, hurricane Katrina and Al Sharpton ALL were addressed in a very clear and well-spoken manner on each of their albums, if only in their own individual languages.

[satal95]

Nas hands down. Only idiots who have no taste for actual hip hop or rap music likes lil wayne. Even Nelly has more mic skills then lil wayne and it's because of this that i stopped listening to anything that they play on the radio because everything has gone pop.

[Phlip]

^^^ I rest my case, I am done with this fucking thread because of stupid shit like that.

[ESmorz]

And when you make statements like that, you're assuming that Wayne is not. I will take it that you did not try to take in the last album if you can ignore what was said, because honestly, between the way black people have been shit on in the media, hurricane Katrina and Al Sharpton ALL were addressed in a very clear and well-spoken manner on each of their albums, if only in their own individual languages.

I'm purely saying it in a manner of age even though Nas has only been cutting like 3 years more than Wayne if I recall correctly. I can find more joy if you will when listening to Nas. It just has more of a sense of maturity to it. I hope you can understand what I mean I've been up for 46 hours. It's making sense in my head.

:keke:


Nas hands down. Only idiots who have no taste for actual hip hop or rap music likes lil wayne.

Only people who have no taste period, would say that.

He could whip any one of our asses with a mic I guarantee.

*edit* You beat me to it Phlip ha

[Andrew Bohan]

nas > lil wayne

even lil wayne admits that's he's okay but his watch is sick

[((sr)) kelly]

kanye west....

[ericcastro]

^Talking about NAS and LIL WAYNE in this thread. please do not name drop other artist. Keep it on topic.


....... Even Nelly has more mic skills then lil wayne ..........

O man..............I, cant,.....even fathom this post.......:eek:

[blackcoupe]

Nas, hands down.
YouTube - Nas - It Ain't Hard To Tell (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_-_IFAt8ka0&feature=related)

Nas- It Ain't Hard To Tell

[((sr)) kelly]

i actually like lil wayne haha..

3peat is G stat

[sb253]

^you prolly got negged because we are having a discusion about 2 artist and you come in and just throw some random shit in here.

BTW, your from WA state, of course you love Keith, and some octogon, and some dr doom. thats typical WA state. (im from there, i know).

So that being said, if you want to get into a little more hip hop, try Del The Funky Homosapien. The album is 3030. Its got some beats you would dig, and its an album that just tells a story. Really, check it out, you'll love it. The album takes place in space in the year 3030 while Del and Automater travel through space rap battling on thier way back to earth.

yes really, wierd huh?? lol
Its so good!
And theres even an instermental album for 3030, i used to have that too.


Sorry, a little OT guys, just trying to stop this and keep the discussion up.
I enjoy the RAP/HIPHOP discusions we have on Zilvia.

Thanks. Ive tried to listen to the Deltorn but no luck. I just dont care enough about hip hop to appreciate it. Maybe Ill give it another another try..

back to our regularly scheduled program

[Leetheslacker]

fuck. i personally cant stand wayne. his voice just bugs me.

and seriously. if i can just loop two words with some shitty beats and talk about how cool i am to make money, sign me up.

A MILLI A MILLI A MILLI A MILLI A MILLI A MILLI A MILLI A MILLI A MILLI A MILLI A MILLI A MILLI A MILLI A MILLI A MILLI A MILLI A MILLI A MILLI A MILLI A MILLI A MILLI A MILLI A MILLI

on a side note. flobots makes me want to die.
i <3 horrible political based rap.

[Bubbles]

nobody cares.


I wish you were right.

[ericcastro]

.......and talk about how cool i am

I thought thats what it all about.
Talk about the place to be,
who you are,
what you got,
or about a sucker MC
:keke:

[fromxtor]

Nas, if tip does a live chorus in one of your songs. Your pretty much the man, that and being so BA you sample yourself in your songs(along w/ Jay-z etc).

[JVDSKYRINE]

Dear mister toilet. I'm the shit! how is that not golden?? hahaa liil waynes shit makes me laugh his raps are funny and up beat thats what I like.

But nas is crazy deep shit and way more artistic...like that one song he has that plays in reverse that shits dope


and not even timbo could save chris brown if he wanted to rap lol
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s2hJxNP1iCc&feature=related

hahaa sorry just anyone thinks they can rap on a cool beat

[PF ALL DAY]

I concur. This could go on forever because their styles of hiphop are completely different.

It's like comparing apples to pears. They both taste good in different ways, but are bred the same way.

[joefresh]

i make it a point to not listen to wayne. ever.
his lyrics are lame. "the coupe blue like the do on marge".....get serious.

anyways illmatic is one of the best hiphop albums ever.

[supercleans13]

WOW!!! :loco:

No freakin comparison, NAS would MURDER LIL gayne. <<:keke:. Nas is a genius when it comes to RAP.

[SimpleS14]

NAS, but what kind of comparison is this? Both artist cater to a different crowd of people (and timeframe).

[Markdawg20]

Nas < Lil Wayne < Kanye West < Jay-z is the greatest.

[shmiddy]

I'm sorry what's that? KRSONE is better than both of them? I thought so.

reppin my boro queens!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[HyperTek]

i couldnt compare kanye to the likes of jay z...

granted hes got his own talents, i think he sounded like crap trying to sing the hook on love lockdown

[stiizy]

reppin my boro queens!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Dude KRS is from my Boro

Bronx Bomber Kid!!

[Antihero983]

KRS ONE!!! tha Teacha's Back!!!!

I love KRS.

[ALTRNTV]

I like how this is a comparison of two people, yet others
are added into the mix.

:snoop::snoop:

Nas= lyricist/talks about life's struggles, streets, hardships, power, respect
Wayne= rapper/ talks about cash money, hoes, cars, baaaaallin'

Like Wayne said, "I bleed through the pencil and leak on the
sheet of the tablet in my mind, Cuz I dont write shit cuz I aint
got time."

Nas wins.

[luckvx]

lil wayne is wack, he always rapping on other peoples beats, and his own shit is wack other than radio played songs, and the carter 3 was a disapoitment

nas ftw

[racepar1]

Wow I'm late to this one. Your cousin is completely retarded, he needs "special attention". Lil Wayne's music has never been worth the plastic you buy it on.

[Future240]

Werd on being late to this

Personally I think both rappers are good. I like wayne better but that's IMO.

Different strokes for different folks

[HyperTek]

...waits for some bandwagoner to say kanye is the best

[vodka2]

WOWWWW......... Nas or LILwayne ??? thats not even a question nas hands down , just look at the history man .. even back in the days 504 boys wasnt shit compared to when illmatic hit ..

[Ghost240]

Alright once again i had another music debate with my cousin. He says that Nas isn't good and that Lil Wayne is better and that he has better club music and he's all over the tv and radio. As everyone knows Nas is all about getting his voice out, he isn't the type of rapper to make club music or change he's style to fit in with the new generation of hip hop. So my question is what do you all think about it. Who do you think is overall a better hip hop artist? From lyrics, single, beats, remixes, albums, concerts down to who will continue to make great music who takes it?

Well you are comparing oranges and apples. Nas is Hip hop, Lil wayne is rap. Nas has a history of killin' niggas on the mic, hell he made HOV change his sound. Lil Wayne hasn't done anything besides bite lines (swagger jacker on Youtube), Kiss baby (thats mad gay my nigga), make people believe he's the best when he isn't. Lyrically from time to time he's witty, but he doesn't realize he isn't THAT witty.

If you wanna compare Nas to someone, I say Lupe Fiasco. They are more on the same plane than lil wayne and Nas. Nas is College, lil wayne is for preschool.

[stiizy]

I like wayne better but that's IMO.



Awh Future we cant be cool no more after that statement

[Future240]

Awh Future we cant be cool no more after that statement

Cuz, I am from the south what did you really expect?

[stiizy]

^^ True i guess but there are so many hot Rappers in the south well maybe 2 but still...

I rather listen to Sean Paul from the YoungBloodz than Wayne and Sean got skills IMO......

[Future240]

^ i dont particularly care for the young bloodz. To me nas battling wayne is like an r35 battling a stock civic. Nas would crush wayne

however i just dont care for his norhtern beats.

[KA24DESOneThree]

Since I enjoy lyrical skill, I'd have to choose Nas.

Lil' Wayne is decent, if you're a 12-year-old suburban white kid.

[exitspeed]

I don't think I agress with any post in this whole thread.

[Future240]

I don't think I agress with any post in this whole thread.

why dont you agree with anythin?

[stiizy]

^ :werd: .....................

[exitspeed]

why dont you agree with anythin?

Cause I don't have to...jk.

I dunno.

I think Nas>Wayne, but I think Wanye is a nice MC. But he's going the 'whoring' himself out route and I think lately his lyrics have been suffering because of it.

But there are some of his songs that the lyrics are so ill. Especially the short tracks he has on Mind of Manny Fresh.

[Dutchmalmiss]

I can't believe this thread is lasting this long. I'm a huge fan of both, therefore I respect both. Of course, when you compare him to the likes of Nas, Lil Wayne will be shitted on. Weezy isn't bad at all. Heck he's twisted vocabulary around pretty creatively I must say. But like mentioned before, he's been getting repetitive lately since he's on every damn remix out there right now.

Nas: highly respected storyteller, deep within the roots
Weezy: lyrical earcandy

[racepar1]

I can't believe this thread is lasting this long. I'm a huge fan of both, therefore I respect both. Of course, when you compare him to the likes of Nas, Lil Wayne will be shitted on. Weezy isn't bad at all. Heck he's twisted vocabulary around pretty creatively I must say. But like mentioned before, he's been getting repetitive lately since he's on every damn remix out there right now.

Nas: highly respected storyteller, deep within the roots
Weezy: lyrical earcandy

Nas writes all his own shit, lil wayne has at least one (if not more) ghostwriter. Nas owns the living hell out of lil wayne any day of the week and twice on sunday. Lil wayne is the typical un-talented (relatively speaking) southern style "rapper". I strongly dis-like any "rapper" that has come from the south as far back as I can remember. When I listen to a rap/hip-hop song I look for some kind of message in the lyrics, "I am dope and have more money than you" does not count as a message. That is what all the southern guys seem to be saying. A good rap/hip-hop song is a story, a GREAT rap/hip-hop song has a deep, meaningful one. Now there is a difference between rap and hip-hop by the way. Lyrical talent can be exibited without a story in the lyrics though as that is all about how the words are strung together. Like it or not eminem has immense lyrical talent, but he has only put it all together into a GREAT song once or twice (rock bottom happens to be my favorite). Jay-z, nas, tupac, and biggie are the ones who stick-out in my mind as having been able to put it all together regualrly. Unfortuanetly the general listening public does not seem to recognize a great song most of the time. People want a catchy hook and a "beat" that you can move to. Although I also think 99.9999% of the beats that have come out in recent years sound cheap and generic. Unfortuanetly though that is what the general idiot wants.

[exitspeed]

. Jay-z, nas, tupac, and biggie are the ones who stick-out in my mind as having been able to put it all together regualrly. Unfortuanetly the general listening public does not seem to recognize a great song most of the time. People want a catchy hook and a "beat" that you can move to. Although I also think 99.9999% of the beats that have come out in recent years sound cheap and generic. Unfortuanetly though that is what the general idiot wants.

I can agree with this. Sucks huh.

But I wouldn't go as far as saying Wayne is un-talented.

[Future240]

Although I also think 99.9999% of the beats that have come out in recent years sound cheap and generic. Unfortuanetly though that is what the general idiot wants.

see this I cannot agree with fully. See I dont believe that I am an idiot for liking alot of those beats. I think that hip-hop/rap is just evolving just like rock did.

If you go to wiki and look there are over 10 differnet categories of rock. Some of those categories have sub categories. Such as metal, which has speed metal and death metal as sub classes

I think it's raps turn to make that transition. Nas is a good artist with great lyrics and good beats for those who like those types of beats. However if you have a party with music I dont think nas really fits the bill for the music there.

However thats where other artists can fill in. If i want deep lyrical rap that means something I listen to Lupe, if I feel like jumpin round like an idiot I bump three 6 mafia, if I am cruisin round in the max then I might have, yo gotti, boosie, lupe, troy, wayne, comin out the trunk.

Different people like diff music. Rap has so many fans now that it was bound to start evolving sooner or later. I think instead of hatin on the music of others, appreciate the fact that rap has enough fans to make it start to evolve.

[HyperTek]

great post racepar1, i think we are just stuck/grew up during the era when hiphop music was meaningful... its changed in ways we just dont prefer.

Its all personal preference from here on. Some people enjoy it, some prefer yesteryear.

[ALTRNTV]

I think it's raps turn to make that transition. Nas is a good artist with great lyrics and good beats for those who like those types of beats. However if you have a party with music I dont think nas really fits the bill for the music there.

However thats where other artists can fill in. If i want deep lyrical rap that means something I listen to Lupe, if I feel like jumpin round like an idiot I bump three 6 mafia, if I am cruisin round in the max then I might have, yo gotti, boosie, lupe, troy, wayne, comin out the trunk.
Great post. I agree in that if I want to just relax and lounge, I'd
like to listen to some Nas, Common, Rza, etc. If I was at the club,
I'd want some bangin' beats from Wayne, Jeezy, etc.

Different rap styles cater to different moods.

[ESmorz]

Nas - Deep shit, well thought out and organized, fun to chill to and appreciate when you're blazing or drinking with homies.

Lil Wayne - Mindless shit to fuck high school girls to.

[Matej]

Don't care for Nas or Wayne.
Don't care for Game either, but his latest single with Wayne is actually pretty decent.

YouTube - My Life by The Game & Lil Wayne official music video [HQ Dirty Version] (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yyb6dkLxE58)

[Antihero983]

^wayne using that stupid vocal distorter is fucking HORRIBLE.

[exitspeed]

^wayne using that stupid vocal distorter is fucking HORRIBLE.

Yep. Kanye using it sucks too. Actually I'm pretty against anyone using it.

[Antihero983]

except T Pain lol

i wanna talk about yooooooooooooooooooooooooooooouuuuuuuuuu and meeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee

bahahahahahahaha

[ESmorz]

Yep. Kanye using it sucks too. Actually I'm pretty against anyone using it.


http://www.superiorpics.com/wenn_album/Joe_Walsh/joe_walsh_001_052608.jpg

:bowrofl:

[racepar1]

see this I cannot agree with fully. See I dont believe that I am an idiot for liking alot of those beats. I think that hip-hop/rap is just evolving just like rock did.

If you go to wiki and look there are over 10 differnet categories of rock. Some of those categories have sub categories. Such as metal, which has speed metal and death metal as sub classes

I think it's raps turn to make that transition. Nas is a good artist with great lyrics and good beats for those who like those types of beats. However if you have a party with music I dont think nas really fits the bill for the music there.

However thats where other artists can fill in. If i want deep lyrical rap that means something I listen to Lupe, if I feel like jumpin round like an idiot I bump three 6 mafia, if I am cruisin round in the max then I might have, yo gotti, boosie, lupe, troy, wayne, comin out the trunk.

Different people like diff music. Rap has so many fans now that it was bound to start evolving sooner or later. I think instead of hatin on the music of others, appreciate the fact that rap has enough fans to make it start to evolve.

To evolve it must move in a forward direction. I see very little forward progress in today's music (including rock). I do agree that nas is not party music, but I HATE almost all party music anyways so I am going to be naturally biased against anything that caters to that crowd. Good music is supposed to be artistic, party music is NOT artistic, It all sounds way too similar. The problem is that the record companies (and the general public) wants music that can be easily categorized, numbered, labeled, and organized and does not step too far from the "norm". A LOT of great artists out ther will never get record deals simply because their stuff isn't "poppy" enough. Rap music is now becoming "pop" music and that is sad. It was never supposed to be like that. I have never liked anything that was "pop" music because it was too trendy and similar to everyone else's music. You are not an idiot necessarily for liking the popular style of cheap ass sounding beats, you are just part of the crowd that is encouraging pathetic music. You are a "pop" music fan and I will never really have respect for your musical opinions because of it. Maybe that is narrow minded of me, but I expect more from my music. I expect my music to not only entertain me (with a catchy beat and hook) but also to move me with any combination of lyrical talent, a deep routed message/story, and a truly original and well thought out beat (or rhythm).

[Antihero983]

see this I cannot agree with fully. See I dont believe that I am an idiot for liking alot of those beats. I think that hip-hop/rap is just evolving just like rock did.

If you go to wiki and look there are over 10 differnet categories of rock. Some of those categories have sub categories. Such as metal, which has speed metal and death metal as sub classes

I think it's raps turn to make that transition. Nas is a good artist with great lyrics and good beats for those who like those types of beats. However if you have a party with music I dont think nas really fits the bill for the music there.

However thats where other artists can fill in. If i want deep lyrical rap that means something I listen to Lupe, if I feel like jumpin round like an idiot I bump three 6 mafia, if I am cruisin round in the max then I might have, yo gotti, boosie, lupe, troy, wayne, comin out the trunk.

Different people like diff music. Rap has so many fans now that it was bound to start evolving sooner or later. I think instead of hatin on the music of others, appreciate the fact that rap has enough fans to make it start to evolve.

please god tell me you know there's more sub genres to metal that speed and death metal....

[exitspeed]

please god tell me you know there's more sub genres to metal that speed and death metal....

There isn't. lol. :lfault:

[Dutchmalmiss]

I expect my music to not only entertain me (with a catchy beat and hook) but also to move me with any combination of lyrical talent, a deep routed message/story, and a truly original and well thought out beat (or rhythm).

I wholeheartedly agree with this. Lately it's been hard to find an actual COMPLETELY GOOD song. It's either good lyrics + lame beat or good beat + lame lyrics.

One thing I'd like to complain about with today's music is the producer intros
"KONVICT MUUUSIC"
"THIS IS A JAZZY FIZZLE PRODUCTSHIZZLE"
"WE THE BESSSSTT"

I've been fuckin sick of that since yesterday. I know a lot of today's hip-hop has been a majority of shit, but I dance to a lot of new shit because of the beats. Afterall, that's a thing I'm used to doing: listening to the beat first, lyrics second.

[Future240]

To evolve it must move in a forward direction. I see very little forward progress in today's music (including rock). I do agree that nas is not party music, but I HATE almost all party music anyways so I am going to be naturally biased against anything that caters to that crowd. Good music is supposed to be artistic, party music is NOT artistic, It all sounds way too similar. The problem is that the record companies (and the general public) wants music that can be easily categorized, numbered, labeled, and organized and does not step too far from the "norm". A LOT of great artists out ther will never get record deals simply because their stuff isn't "poppy" enough. Rap music is now becoming "pop" music and that is sad. It was never supposed to be like that. I have never liked anything that was "pop" music because it was too trendy and similar to everyone else's music. You are not an idiot necessarily for liking the popular style of cheap ass sounding beats, you are just part of the crowd that is encouraging pathetic music. You are a "pop" music fan and I will never really have respect for your musical opinions because of it. Maybe that is narrow minded of me, but I expect more from my music. I expect my music to not only entertain me (with a catchy beat and hook) but also to move me with any combination of lyrical talent, a deep routed message/story, and a truly original and well thought out beat (or rhythm).

I do agree with a few things in that post, you are being biased and narrow minded. Not respecting the opinons of someone because they like or dislike something is narrow minded indeed. Your opinon of good music is just that, an opinon, you speak as if what you say is fact. While some may agree, others, like myself, disagree with you. I listen to all types of music. while I have been typing this, shabba ranks, lupe fiacso,and guns & roses has come across my itunes. Having said that, I have no musical bias. Each likes what they like

Also pop music and rap music are nothing alike in the least bit. Pop music is that of the backstreet boys, N snyc, brittany spears, and other artists that a 10 year old girl would go crazy for. There is no way in hell, rappers like TI, Yo Gotti and Gucci could be pop music. Your classification of the music as "pathetic" is once again bias. Truly pathetic music doesnt sell. In this instance someone might throw in "artists" like soulja boy. Even though I am not a fan of his music, even his stuff is not pathetic. Its just another type of rap, music for a new generation of people.

Also I dont encourage bad music. Then again who I am to decided what is good or bad? America is filled with millions of people with billions of tastes. What one considers bad, another considers good, another considers bad, and so on. Your attitude sounds like that of a purist. If indeed you are one, that sir, in my eyes, makes my opinion of your opinon go down. Not because of the music you like, its because purists are narrow minded and biased people who cant see points other than their own. Whether you are actually a purist I don't know, but you sound like one.



please god tell me you know there's more sub genres to metal that speed and death metal....

yea i do, I just named a few

[exitspeed]

I wholeheartedly agree with this. Lately it's been hard to find an actual COMPLETELY GOOD song. It's either good lyrics + lame beat or good beat + lame lyrics.

One thing I'd like to complain about with today's music is the producer intros
"KONVICT MUUUSIC"
"THIS IS A JAZZY FIZZLE PRODUCTSHIZZLE"
"WE THE BESSSSTT"

I've been fuckin sick of that since yesterday. I know a lot of today's hip-hop has been a majority of shit, but I dance to a lot of new shit because of the beats. Afterall, that's a thing I'm used to doing: listening to the beat first, lyrics second.

I've been sick of that shit since DJ Clue started yelling out random shit in every song.

DESERT STORM
CLUE CLUE CLUE
HA HAaaaa

[Future240]

^Ditto on that. It was bearable when drama, yelled it out a few times, but now Dj's put their names in random parts of the song.

Also the length of some mixtape songs piss me off. Why the hell do you even put a 47 second song on a mixtape

[Jeremiel]

NAS for sure! You can't compare a living REAL hip hop legend and an MC over just a rapper that doesn't really know what hip hop is. Lil wayne doesn't even know the five elements of hip hop and I bet a bunch of people posting here doesn't even know the five elements of hip hop, but google and urban dictionary does :) Also, I rap better than Lil Wayne and I can name plenty of hip hop artist that are better than Lil Wayne...

let's start with many underground hip hop artists:
RZA
GZA
Aesop Rock
Masta Ace
Boogie Man
anyone from Blackalicious
anyone from Black Starr
Brother Ali
Cannibal Ox
Immortal Techniques
anyone from Jedi Mind Tricks
anyone from Dead Prez
anyone from Company Flow
anyone from DemiGodz
Floetry
J-Live
anyone from Jurassic 5
Non-phixon
MadLion
Grand Puba 2000
Pharcyde
Pharoahe Monch
anyone from Roots
KRS-ONE
7l and esoteric
Zion I
Self-Scientific (local LA hip hop artist)
Planet Asia
anyone from The Next Movement (local Inland Empire hip hop artists)
Murs
Edgar Allen Floe
The Suprem NTM (french hip hop artists)
Sabac
Heltah Skeltah
Termanology
Outerspace
Jeremiel aka GEO (God's Executive Officer) lol :)

and much more

[racepar1]

I do agree with a few things in that post, you are being biased and narrow minded. Not respecting the opinons of someone because they like or dislike something is narrow minded indeed. Your opinon of good music is just that, an opinon, you speak as if what you say is fact. While some may agree, others, like myself, disagree with you. I listen to all types of music. while I have been typing this, shabba ranks, lupe fiacso,and guns & roses has come across my itunes. Having said that, I have no musical bias. Each likes what they like

Also pop music and rap music are nothing alike in the least bit. Pop music is that of the backstreet boys, N snyc, brittany spears, and other artists that a 10 year old girl would go crazy for. There is no way in hell, rappers like TI, Yo Gotti and Gucci could be pop music. Your classification of the music as "pathetic" is once again bias. Truly pathetic music doesnt sell. In this instance someone might throw in "artists" like soulja boy. Even though I am not a fan of his music, even his stuff is not pathetic. Its just another type of rap, music for a new generation of people.

Also I dont encourage bad music. Then again who I am to decided what is good or bad? America is filled with millions of people with billions of tastes. What one considers bad, another considers good, another considers bad, and so on. Your attitude sounds like that of a purist. If indeed you are one, that sir, in my eyes, makes my opinion of your opinon go down. Not because of the music you like, its because purists are narrow minded and biased people who cant see points other than their own. Whether you are actually a purist I don't know, but you sound like one.

Let me better explain why I would not respect your musical opinion. You are describing music that is not good music as good music simply because you enjoy it. Just because you enjoy something does not make it good. Hell I enjoy some of lil wayne's music, but I would never describe it as good music. And don't even try to tell me that rap music cannot be pop music. That is just in-correct as pop music changes as what is popular changes. Look at the "pop" music from 10 years ago, it is nothing like the pop music from 2 years ago.

[Jeremiel]

:snoop:You a paper chaser, you got your block on fire
Remaining a G until the moment you expire
You know what it is yo make nothing out of something
You handle your biz and don't be cryin and suffering:snoop:

[HyperTek]

wasnt that juvenile? lol

Theres nothing wrong with club music, it would just be a hell of alot better if those rappers could deliver some lyrical content to go with the beat. I wouldnt buy an album because its popular at a club or because 5million girls wanna get freaky to it... Just means i would doubt thier tastes.

[Future240]

Let me better explain why I would not respect your musical opinion. You are describing music that is not good music as good music simply because you enjoy it. Just because you enjoy something does not make it good. Hell I enjoy some of lil wayne's music, but I would never describe it as good music. And don't even try to tell me that rap music cannot be pop music. That is just in-correct as pop music changes as what is popular changes. Look at the "pop" music from 10 years ago, it is nothing like the pop music from 2 years ago.

I didnt say the music was good, I said it was good to me. What is good or what is not good is purely a matter of opinion.

To me thats like saying you wouldnt respect someone's opinion about cars because they liked civics

[racepar1]

I didnt say the music was good, I said it was good to me. What is good or what is not good is purely a matter of opinion.

To me thats like saying you wouldnt respect someone's opinion about cars because they liked civics

It is not good to anybody, you just enjoy it. Go ahead and enjoy it, but don't describe it as good. What is enjoyable to listen to is somebody's opinion entirely, what is actually good music is only a matter of perspective to a point. There are actually things that are required to be in the music to describe it as good music. Actually it is more like me saying that I wouldn't respect somebody's opinions on cars because they like underglow and 20" wheels on civics. I have a widespread appreciation of music, I am only narrow minded within specific genre's.

[Jeremiel]

wasnt that juvenile? lol

Theres nothing wrong with club music, it would just be a hell of alot better if those rappers could deliver some lyrical content to go with the beat. I wouldnt buy an album because its popular at a club or because 5million girls wanna get freaky to it... Just means i would doubt thier tastes.

lol, yeah, that was juvenile's "Ha", classic material, lol


+1 on club music. I'm a musician, so I listen to all types of music especially my music and I enjoy listening to the band I originally started, but I left the band due to personal reasons years back, MySpace.com - SOULUTIONARIES - The Valley / L.A. / Lake Hughes, California - Reggae / Dub / Reggae - www.myspace.com/soulutionaries (http://myspace.com/soulutionaries) ... I usually listen to music that helps my brain grow and not make me stupid, but I do enjoy stoooopid music for entertainment purposes only and it's usually because I'm making fun of the artist (if they are one) lol. Also, just like what Chris Rock said which I can relate to, it's really hard to defend rap music now-a-days, so I don't listen to as much rap as I did back then, but I listen to a lot of hip hop and underground hip hop.




Does anyone know the difference between hip hop and rap? (this should be a thread)

[silviaguy240]

I've been sick of that shit since DJ Clue started yelling out random shit in every song.

DESERT STORM
CLUE CLUE CLUE
HA HAaaaa

SELLIN BRICK!!

i think its leo G

but i think NAS said something like this. "real hip hop is carhartt jackets, blue jeans and tim boots"

[C. Senor]

how do you guys even define what good music is. wouldnt there have to be a truth to music being good. and that would have to change from different musical genres. what you most likely base what a "good song" will not be interchangeable with other genres, such as opera, classical, rap, rock, jazz.

now if a "good song" is done mathematically to the beats then there would be a basis. or if you did rhyme scheme. perhaps. but one can not come up with a clear set of rules to define a "good" song.

for you may not think one song is good but some one else will. like i like nas. good flow, good lyrics. lil wayne has pretty good delivery and sick word play. so what makes one better than the other. one's more "hip hop" than the other. wouldn't hip hop and rap be under the same genre?

i'm trying to understand how you guys are classifying things.

[HyperTek]

^^ a good song will last for years... 10+ years

Example - Notorious BIG - Juicy
i had to load that on my zune, its aged prettty good that it sounds classic.

compared to Ludacris - Get Back
*hes a great artist btw*, but what are the chances your going to dig thru your collection to hear this song?

[Future240]

It is not good to anybody, you just enjoy it. Go ahead and enjoy it, but don't describe it as good. What is enjoyable to listen to is somebody's opinion entirely, what is actually good music is only a matter of perspective to a point. There are actually things that are required to be in the music to describe it as good music. Actually it is more like me saying that I wouldn't respect somebody's opinions on cars because they like underglow and 20" wheels on civics. I have a widespread appreciation of music, I am only narrow minded within specific genre's.

You know....I can completly agree with that last statement. I still however disagree with your opinon on what is "good" music. I say that only because I dont believe there is a universal standard to compare too. In his genre wayne is one of the best, same goes for nas in his, but in rap, they are in two diff categories. Which goes back to the rock vs metal-death metal etc.

BTW i do respect your opinion, you have been able to have an intelligent debate with me without resorting to name calling or any other childish manner, for that i say kudos:bow:

[playthe_part]

I think the rock analogy was good. I do think there is pop rap stuff though. I think pop finds it's way into everything. It is catchy and it sells.

Take punk like Peligro Social, versus pop punk Blink 182. I think both are marketed to different people, but pop punk evolved from punk for sure.

Or Metal like, I don't know, Kalmah, versus Avenged Sevenfold. Same thing. Just one is more catchy.

I think the same thing is happening in hip hop/rap. Aesop Fables vs. Soulja Boy... etc etc.

As for the Hip Hop vs Rap thing.. I think there is a difference. Hip Hop as more passion and dedication, to me at least. Where as rap is something fairly easy to create and get on the radio. But arguing about music is like arguing about art, there is no real definition and everyone has an opinion.

it's like comparing these.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v199/playthe_part/Who20it20is.jpg
VS.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v199/playthe_part/monalisa.jpg

One is more detailed, took more time and effort, as well as passion, and ultimately paints a more vivid picture, but they are both art right? Both have an audience that likes what they see.

Hope that makes sense.

[racepar1]

You know....I can completly agree with that last statement. I still however disagree with your opinon on what is "good" music. I say that only because I dont believe there is a universal standard to compare too. In his genre wayne is one of the best, same goes for nas in his, but in rap, they are in two diff categories. Which goes back to the rock vs metal-death metal etc.

BTW i do respect your opinion, you have been able to have an intelligent debate with me without resorting to name calling or any other childish manner, for that i say kudos:bow:

I enjoy debates! In the end neither one of us can be proven right, but it is still fun to talk about.

[murda-c]

I think the difference we are seeing here is mainstream hip hop vs alternative hip hop.

[Future240]

I enjoy debates! In the end neither one of us can be proven right, but it is still fun to talk about.

Likewise

I think the difference we are seeing here is mainstream hip hop vs alternative hip hop.

Hm I dont think nas or wayne would be alternative, I think alternative would be something like McChris or Insane Clown Posse,

[murda-c]

nas was alternative compared to the other hip hop acts that were mainstream when he first dropped.

He just had mainstream success with his alternative act.

Mainstream an alternative are the two most vague categories anyway, there are subcategories within those two, but i'm not really one for categorizing music, i just listen to songs i like that i think are good.

[exitspeed]

You know what's even worse. In all the mixtapes there's that damn horn or alarm noise or whatever the fuck it is. You would know what I'm talking about if you heard it. ANNOYING.

[Antihero983]

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v633/redevilrps13/robbase.jpg

I win.

shut up, you know rob bass was ill as fuck.