For All CA Peeps no Ref Services or CAP

[Massimo Power]

State of California, Dept. of Consumer Affairs, Bureau of Automotive Repair (http://www.bar.ca.gov/)

I dont know if this is a repost but it caught my eye in our forums.

Discuss

[Massimo Power]

I just called the 1800 number to schedule and appointment for a ref ticket and all the ref stations are closed.

[!Zar!]

Mmm.

Interesting.

[DUFFM4N]

hmmmm interesting as well

[Sil-Abc]

........ i .......... am ......... speech........... less................ omfg i hope this is real. I'm starting to believe in God. I LOVE ARNOLD!!!!

[Erjay1]

omg are you serious??? Faucken sweet!

[Massimo Power]

This can only go two ways.

We either get shafted and have to get a ref ticket and pay the full amount..

or we dont get ref tickets anymore....

hrmmmmmm

[k's_silvia2.0]

Getting off work early to drive around all SR'ed!!!
hahaha:w00t:

[shade]

I'd rather have the economy back up than this. It's a good thing too besides the whole declining economy deal.

[karl wasabi]

This can only go two ways.

We either get shafted and have to get a ref ticket and pay the full amount..

or we dont get ref tickets anymore....

hrmmmmmm

That's exactly what I was thinking. What if you're pulled over with an illegal engine. I'm sure they just won't shrug it off. There might be a huge fine since it won't be correctable anymore...

Now I'm kinda scared. haha.

[!Zar!]

Yeah, playing the mean guy, but we raise econ at the cost of out overall health?

lol.

But I don't see how the state could send cars to a service that isn't avalible to the people.

But CHP officers could still write the ref tickets off, so that possibility isn't out the window just yet.

You guys still run the risk of having your car impounded.

[drift freaq]

If shit goes back to the chp we are fucked. They will be pretty hard on stuff because we will get thrown into street racer category. The only people this would be good for is exhaust tickets anything else and they are going to hassle.

[SimpleSexy180]

hmm..

as much as i would like to be happy...

we will either get screwed and have to pay the fines with no corrections OR certain tickets will be sent back to "chp".

[k's_silvia2.0]

If shit goes back to the chp we are fucked. They will be pretty hard on stuff because we will get thrown into street racer category. The only people this would be good for is exhaust tickets anything else and they are going to hassle.


^Explain Dave!

[JeremyR]

i was JUST about to pay off my ref ticket...i'm gonna call and find out more info, maybe my ticket will be voided? unlikely but we'll see!

[mehsilvia]

If shit goes back to the chp we are fucked.


No doubt. MOST are ref'd due to mods.

Mods= Street Racing to the CHP.

Simply put: U B Fucked.

[drift freaq]

No doubt. MOST are ref'd due to mods.

Mods= Street Racing to the CHP.

Simply put: U B Fucked.

I think Chris explained it pretty well here. It also puts Chris and I into total Limbo.

Plus if you got reffed for an exhaust ticket the CHP is just going to do a look and listen situation. Its not like the ref where they inspect under your hood, put your car on a dyno and do a sound test while on the dyno which I might add is totally stupid shit to begin with. A engine does not change its sound revving at 3k stationary or running on dyno under load at 3k. Sound is the same at 3k no load or load. Fucking idiots need to study sound engineering and learn a little about frequencies hahahhaha.

[SimpleSexy180]

i rather try my luck looking stock as fuck with chp than doing state referee ever again...


you can put in a totally shitty running ka and look stock and not have to worry about being put on the butt dyno with chp

unlike ref you better hope your shit is pristine and can pass smog.

[Massimo Power]

I got a ref ticket once but i just paid it.. it was only $300.. forget trying to put my car back to stock.. lol

[DUFFM4N]

like i said on another forum....the ref stations closing down might also be part of the new smog machines that i hear are supposed to come out at the end of the year...

possibly? anyone else hear that besides me?

[Massimo Power]

they have so called smog machines that were set up around california. But it was only a nation wide test. I really dont think they will have smog machines with picture taking capabilities and so on. They dont even have enough money to run a regular Ref... lol

[Mi Beardo es Loco]

so wait...I'm driving and skimming through this. What's going on? put it in dumb fuck terms.

[HyperTek]

jus means the super deathstar ref is in development? lol
cali can make major revenues from the auto enthusiasts y would they stop?


cops will still profile regardless...in the words of my boy 2pac shakur " fuk em all!!"

[midnightouge]

I just told some of my honda friends about this, I've never seen them so happy. lol

[dynamicck]

sounds like....The calm before the storm.

it's good now, but watch what kind of shit they will come out with

[drift freaq]

jus means the super deathstar ref is in development? lol
cali can make major revenues from the auto enthusiasts y would they stop?


cops will still profile regardless...in the words of my boy 2pac shakur " fuk em all!!"

No you guys fail to see why this is happening. It has nothing to do with new smog machines! It has nothing to do with random roadside machines, that sniff your car going by and take pictures, then telling you if its polluting or not.

ITS CALLED STATE BUDGET CUTS, THE FUCKING STATE IS BROKE AND IN DEBT! Sorry for the caps, but if any of you had bothered following the news or reading a newspaper in the last couple of weeks, you would have read about state employee job cuts.

Job cuts due to state being broke and not having the budget to pay these people.

This is Arnolds attempt to get nearer to balancing the state budget for the next year.
The downturn in the economy and the real estate market plus the rise in the cost of oil and other commodities is killing the the tax revenue base.

This is part of those cuts. This is why this is happening. plain and fucking simple.

Try reading the newspaper on a daily basis and you will know the reasons for things like this.

[HyperTek]

maybe chp will be givin the powers to be the judge jury and executioner?!

[drift freaq]

maybe chp will be givin the powers to be the judge jury and executioner?!

Sounds like a comment right off one of the conspiracy theory websites. Come on Austin, you know better. Your above comment is ludicrous at best.

[RiversideS13]

i agree that i think laws against illegal cars will be only stricter.... the fixing ticket was a big money maker fro the state

[HyperTek]

thanks for the clarification


im just curious about what would happen now? will it be the ambolishment of vehicle profiling?

[98s14inaz]

It's funny how Cali is so proud of all their laws/enforcement but when the check comes they run out on the bill...lol Maybe Arnold should make a few movies and have his wages garnished to cover the deficit.

[norcal_black240]

thanks for the clarification


im just curious about what would happen now? will it be the ambolishment of vehicle profiling?

No way. I bet they are just formulating a way to make it more efficient to profile car enthusiasts. I think if the cali state ref becomes no more they will just transfer the power to CHP which could end up being just as bad or worse. Car profiling generates a lot of revenue for the state so why stop? Its easy money.

[Massimo Power]

what will happen next?

easy...

your outstanding ref tickets will have pending notices maybe extra extensions will be given...

new ref tickets will have longer due dates...

in a few months everything will be back to normal....

[Jonnie Fraz]

I to am wondering about this. My buddy was ready to pay his fine after not being able to keep his KA from throwing codes. All this after swapping his KA back in. Cop only wrote him for exhaust though.
I am hopeing that he will not have to pay the fines and get a pass on this one.

[unwed_transient]

everything will be back to normal once the budget is signed.

it didn't happen until oct last year.

rest assured, you are not off the hook.

[blownmotor]

So far there is no clarifacation on the matter and the only way is to ask a chp officer/local PD.

[pr0ject TRUENO]

fuck that

i hope it stays this way

[HyperTek]

State of California, Dept. of Consumer Affairs, Bureau of Automotive Repair (http://www.bar.ca.gov/)

Per the Governor's Executive Order issued on July 31, 2008 concerning the state budget, Referee and Consumer Assistance Program (CAP) Repair Assistance, and Vehicle Retirement services have been suspended until further notice. We apologize for any inconvenience. Consumers may call the Department of Consumer Affairs, Consumer Information Center at (800) 952-5210. Also, please check our web site periodically to confirm when both Referee and CAP services will resume.

[Sil-Abc]

if u check the state website, they are cutting back on hella things. Students getting cal grants and all of that are getting shafted. Cal grants and UC transfers, states and community college students are taking a toll from these budget cuts. For non college students with modified cars this could be a god send but it could turn ugly. I feel lucky about the whole ref thing but bad about the whole CHP thing, which is a high possibility, and the college studnets that need the states help for education.

[iggy]

everything will be back to normal once the budget is signed.

it didn't happen until oct last year.

rest assured, you are not off the hook.

i agree with drift freaq and unwed_transient... arnie signed an executive order that layed off thousands of temp and part-time state employees at the end of july. but, most of the people will be getting their jobs back when the budget is signed and then referee services will be back in business. don't get your hopes up too high, they'll be back.. haha.. btw, fyi the budget was signed august 24th last year :).

[drift freaq]

everything will be back to normal once the budget is signed.

it didn't happen until oct last year.

rest assured, you are not off the hook.

Spoken for truth. Come October the refs will be back in action, in fact according to what I read today around 20 minutes ago while having coffee. The State controller says there is just enough money to last till October albeit while not completely broke the state is on pretty thin ice budget wise. They have to balance the budget by then. Arnold is making the cuts he is making to prod the legislature into taking action to come to terms on a budget.
California has a long history of Budget battles like this and this years is just worse due to factors I stated earlier.

[fliprayzin240sx]

No you guys fail to see why this is happening. It has nothing to do with new smog machines! It has nothing to do with random roadside machines, that sniff your car going by and take pictures, then telling you if its polluting or not.

ITS CALLED STATE BUDGET CUTS, THE FUCKING STATE IS BROKE AND IN DEBT! Sorry for the caps, but if any of you had bothered following the news or reading a newspaper in the last couple of weeks, you would have read about state employee job cuts.

Job cuts due to state being broke and not having the budget to pay these people.

This is Arnolds attempt to get nearer to balancing the state budget for the next year.
The downturn in the economy and the real estate market plus the rise in the cost of oil and other commodities is killing the the tax revenue base.

This is part of those cuts. This is why this is happening. plain and fucking simple.

Try reading the newspaper on a daily basis and you will know the reasons for things like this.

Maybe Arnold will finally figure shit out that he needs to cut all the pork off the government. Maybe with the state having less money, they will stop making all this big brother bullshit laws. Cali is so fucked right now, state needs to focus on a few things at a time instead of trying to get their hands into every fucking cookie jar out there. Pump the money into fixing the state economy first and foremost.

[MoReRyCe]

Nice topic

yea i do believe it is just temporary though. theres not going to be any riots or anything like that... lol

[drift freaq]

Maybe Arnold will finally figure shit out that he needs to cut all the pork off the government. Maybe with the state having less money, they will stop making all this big brother bullshit laws. Cali is so fucked right now, state needs to focus on a few things at a time instead of trying to get their hands into every fucking cookie jar out there. Pump the money into fixing the state economy first and foremost.

Ray I could not agree with you more. Fact is they spend to much time trying to appease every damn far left liberal that falls off the boat.

For Example: Someones bright idea as part of the newer Green laws was to force Automotive body shops to start using Water based paint and air drying because its more environmently friendly.

Now don't get me wrong here I am for protecting the Environment but this was just some senators idea of more of a overall Green law without even knowing how little impact automotive paint shops have on the overall air quality or environment.

Another one which was completely political was the Senator from Fresno that wants to start making people smog cars pre 1975 because it looks like he is pro environment.
All the while he is fighting CARB to keep them from putting smog equipment on Farm equipment i.e. trucks and tractors.
Even though the central valley which Fresno resides in has absolutely terrible air quality i.e. smog because of said farm equipment.
Which have no smog stuff on them at all. Asshole wants to make cars pay so he can look good. While the farm lobby is lining his pockets. Porkbarrel politics, Sacramento is Famous for it.

[FaLKoN240]

I to am wondering about this. My buddy was ready to pay his fine after not being able to keep his KA from throwing codes. All this after swapping his KA back in. Cop only wrote him for exhaust though.
I am hopeing that he will not have to pay the fines and get a pass on this one.

Exhaust ticket is way different than an illegal modifications to engine bay ref.

[!Zar!]

Yeah, they can't pop your hood at ref for an exhaust ticket.

[1989rps13]

this sounds great! so no more ref for a while woo!

[FaLKoN240]

this sounds great! so no more ref for a while woo!

My friend just said his buddy that's a cop said they can still issue the ref tickets :ugh:

[PF ALL DAY]

My friend just said his buddy that's a cop said they can still issue the ref tickets :ugh:
I know a few members on here that have gotten ref tickets recently that have gotten them signed off simply by going to a local smog shop.


So yeah, they still hand them out, but it's really pointless, unless it's an exhaust or broken window ticket.

[!Zar!]

Smog shops don't have the authority to sign off ref tickets.

[chibo]

It's funny how Cali is so proud of all their laws/enforcement but when the check comes they run out on the bill...lol Maybe Arnold should make a few movies and have his wages garnished to cover the deficit.Arnold hasn't been paid anything for serving in office.

[skylindrftr]

I guess this would explain why I haven't gotten my ticket for the ref in the mail? You are supposed to get your ticket w/ info in the mail 21 days after the said ticket, I still have not gotten mine yay! But now I have no idea what to expect...

[MegasquirtCA]

Arnold hasn't been paid anything for serving in office.


But im sure he's got a baller as expense account. I work for my local government and I make more than our Mayor. The twist is that the guy has a house paid for while on his term and a $250,000 Expense account. :loco:

[trsilvias13]

I guess this would explain why I haven't gotten my ticket for the ref in the mail? You are supposed to get your ticket w/ info in the mail 21 days after the said ticket, I still have not gotten mine yay! But now I have no idea what to expect...

go to the clerk/court office. I thought that too and I had a warrant for my arrest. Go and make an appt to see the judge . You are suppose to go in within 21 days and decide if you wanna pay up front or dispute the ticket. If you are in dispute you set a court appt to then enter your plea.

[CrimsonRockett]

Well, I got a ref ticket back in June.

Lagged because I was caught up with work and on going projects.

I go back to stock to get it reffed, but had no idea this had happened up until yesterday afternoon.

Today, I go out to get my fix-it exhaust ticket written off by a CHP.

They tell me to go to a ref since they can't sign off the exhaust ticket because I have a ref ticket on it as well.

My court date is on 8/11/08.

WTF do I do?

I mean, my car would easily pass the ref test.

Eh, I don't feel like paying the fines since I know I can pass it.

:-/

[illvialuver]

just my luck. when i go back to n/a the get rid of the ref service. well congrats to all you happy fucks with sr20s!!!

[CrimsonRockett]

They can still issue ref tickets.

Yeah, they're currently closed, but i'm almost positive they're going to be re-opened according to the CHP I spoke to today.

[skylindrftr]

Thanks for the advice... I guess I'll go down to the good ol pasadena super awesome courthouse and get this figured out...

[HyperTek]

talked to my friend who is going to smog tech school.. he said they announced this in class the other night, said there is no word when it will be brought back.. so its could be temporary. If it last for a few years ill be happy lol.. Id think it would take a few years for the budget to catch up

[Massimo Power]

everything will go back to normal around october...

[StaticX27]

Just because state refs are temporarily on hold doesn't mean its now legal to drive around with illegal motors, I'm not sure why you guys are happy about this. Refs gave us the option to have correctable tickets, which meant cheaper fines. Now that refs are temporarily out of the picture, that means non-correctable $1k+ fines.

That also means that people who were working on smog legal engine swaps and projects are now screwed over until the refs come back into the picture.

Ref's honestly were a great thing to have for the things they were able to do, and they were also a fountain of knowledge for smog laws and such, and you guys are happy they're gone? Makes no sense to me.

[skylindrftr]

I'd be happy if they were gone and never came back, temporarily I'm not so sure =/

[HyperTek]

i hope these guys are not on paid leave lol.. maybe they will get fed up with no work and go find a new job lol

as much as we dislike the BAR REF, it would be unfair if they got paid vacations right now lol

[womenbeshoppin]

Stop playing with my mind!!! ahhHHHH!!

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[Jonnie Fraz]

Well my buddies court date is Tuesday...all his stuff is done, but no one to sign it off. We will see what happens.

[DALAZ_68]

maybe chp will be givin the powers to be the judge jury and executioner?!ohh fucken aye....Judge Dredd is coming to get us :keke:


so what tdoes this all mean...for now?

[spacedog]

i feel like partying for now...!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Anto]

oh fuck that, watch, they catch you with an illegal engine and you get it impounded

then cut in half

[leveloneae86]

watch out the state being broke means chp raping commuters for every little thing to make more money. how do i know? the day after i heard the ref stations were closed down i got pulled over. the crazy thing is that i didnt get pulled over alone, 5-6 cars got pulled over one by one, the reason: not making a complete stop at the red light before turning right. yeah, this is the way they are going to rape us. me and 5 random cars were pulled over at midnight, noticed that more and more people get pulled over nowadays?

edit: oh yeah they way i got pulled over was by a cop flagging me down with his flashlight while writing a ticket for the other cars only 2 cops = 5-6 tickets and 1 ticket is fuckin over $300 heavy do the math

[mrmephistopheles]

Oceanside PD was pulling people for Failure to Stop right and left the other day.

[DataXUnknown]

Well guys you definetly can still get ref tickets!

I just fucking got one today...I didn't even get pulled over! My date is 10/22/08.

[norcal_black240]

Well guys you definetly can still get ref tickets!

I just fucking got one today...I didn't even get pulled over! My date is 10/22/08.

How did you get a ref ticket without even being pulled over?

[HyperTek]

edit: oh yeah they way i got pulled over was by a cop flagging me down with his flashlight while writing a ticket for the other cars only 2 cops = 5-6 tickets and 1 ticket is fuckin over $300 heavy do the math

whyd you stop? shoulda kept going "oh sorry officer i didnt know what was going on, didnt know you could use a flashlight to pull someone over"

[skylindrftr]

Yeah how did you get a ref ticket without getting pulled over lol? oh and hypertek where did you get your sig pic, it's pretty cool

[HyperTek]

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[DataXUnknown]

I tried asking a peace officer for directions when Lake Perris was closing at 10PM. I didn't know where the hell to go because the front gate was closed. Decided to ask them and they looked at my gauges and asked to pop my hood as he told his partner to go get the ticket book.

I guess thats what I get for driving 50 miles to go see my girlfriend for a day and then drive back another 50 miles. They wrote down on my ticket that I was going 16mph.

And what sucks balls is that I have to drive all the way to Moreno Valley Court...which is a pretty far drive from where I live.

[leveloneae86]

whyd you stop? shoulda kept going "oh sorry officer i didnt know what was going on, didnt know you could use a flashlight to pull someone over"



i thought about it too but he kinda ran up kinda infront of my car and shining in my face yelling stop pull over like some1 is gonna die.


and to ^ this is why i hate cops, trying to be friendly and they screw you over. well not all cops but alot of them are assholes.

[HyperTek]

man the fuck they can pull people over liek that?? what sucks if if you kept going they would bust u for evading police too.. man what is wrong with them.

and dataxunknown's situation sucks balls too they didnt have probable cause to check your shit out.

[DUFFM4N]

i talked to a buddy of mine (very reliable source) in regards to the REF stations being closed....he said:

that they will start directing REF tickets to "Gold Star" (rating given to smog stations) Smog Stations...but he didnt know when they were going to start giving out the list of which stations are able to sign off REF tickets....so if your court date comes up, and you have not been able to book an appointment because they are still closed....let the judge know the situation, and he/she will most likely drop the case seeing as how you've tried to get it fixed, but cant...

[skylindrftr]

wow that sucks for both of you, at least we are all in the same boat somewhat and can learn from each other, if I can get my ticket dismissed or payed off or whatever, I am going to sleeper the hell out of my car.

[17Green]

Well guys you definetly can still get ref tickets!

I just fucking got one today...I didn't even get pulled over! My date is 10/22/08.

I'm curious how you got the ticket without getting pulled over as well.

[skylindrftr]

he just said ^ =)

[mestizo]

Well my buddies court date is Tuesday...all his stuff is done, but no one to sign it off. We will see what happens.

Jonnie was talking about me... I still had to pay the fine which was $370 unless I felt like going to a trial court and fighting with the cop that there was nothing illegal with my car. Which I don't have time to take off work to do.

Neither the Judge or the D.A. were aware that the state ref was closed. In fact the the D.A. laughed at me when i told him the ref was no longer open, I had to say to him "if you don't believe me then go to the website and see for yourself". He literally couldn't believe it was closed and said "where are we going to refer all the ref tickets now".

I think that maybe the people who were issued the tickets after the date the ref closed will get dismissed because you have no way to schedule an appoinment. If not dismissed then you more than likely will have to pay the fine like i did or go to a trial court and fight the cop.

[skylindrftr]

how do you just pay the fine and not go to court?

[DataXUnknown]

You have the right to a speedy trial. Thats what I was told by some guys at a meet the other night.

I believe you are gunna HAVE to go to court if you wanna try and get out of the ref part. I was told to go to court and talk to the judge because the ref stations are closed and what are you supposed to do? I have a feeling it will just be paying the bail amount.

[skylindrftr]

Yeah, I haven't gotten the bail amount in the mail, so I am just gonna wait for the court date... 9/3/08/...

[CrimsonRockett]

You guys can just go to a test-only smog station.

They'll check your shit out, make sure its clean, and sign it off.

Im taking care of mine today.

Showing it to the judge, and he'll waive the fine.

[skylindrftr]

Really? How did you find that out? What smog station did you go to lulz?

[k's_silvia2.0]

My girl just got rolled in my coupe.
Popped the hood and everything cops just gave her a mod exhaust ticket.
Pretty lucky.

[CrimsonRockett]

I spoke to a CHP while I was out and about with my gf.
He was parked, so I asked him as I walked by.

Told me to go to a smog station and they can take care of it.

Went to my local smog station, they said to go to a test only station.(they made a phone call and said they can take care of it.)

The station im going to is at the corner of Firestone/Otis in South Gate, but you can go to any test only station.

Just tell them you need it written off.

[HyperTek]

You guys can just go to a test-only smog station.

They'll check your shit out, make sure its clean, and sign it off.

Im taking care of mine today.

Showing it to the judge, and he'll waive the fine.

i doubt that, unless you got a nice judge. Whered this info come from unless they change the law etc. Smog techs dont have the authority to write stuff off.. Ill ask my friend hes getting his smog tech cert.

[skylindrftr]

I spoke to a CHP while I was out and about with my gf.
He was parked, so I asked him as I walked by.

Told me to go to a smog station and they can take care of it.

Went to my local smog station, they said to go to a test only station.(they made a phone call and said they can take care of it.)

The station im going to is at the corner of Firestone/Otis in South Gate, but you can go to any test only station.

Just tell them you need it written off.

Did they actually check the car out or just write it off? How much did it cost?

[JeremyR]

jsut got back form the traffic court. dude at the counter says that the information for getting the car checked out is on the dmv website. so im like okay cool thanks. then i get home and go on the dmv website and there is nothing fucking there. what a fuckin joke, he wouldnt give me an extension. i dont want to set a court date i just want to either pay the fine or preferrably get the ref to check my shit. what a fucking waste.

[JohnJohn86]

I got a modified emisson ticekt last month and the court date is on Sept. I went to the traffic court in West Covina and they just give me an extention until Dec. I called CHP and they told me to wait until 1 week before court date and if the state ref still close, go to CHP and they will figure something out.

[skylindrftr]

uh oh that doesn't sound good....

[slow_sr20]

I would sooooo move to cali..........if i could bring my car:naughty:. what do you guys do? keep ALL stock parts and swap shit back if you get pulled over?

[JeremyR]

i aint swapping shit back. laws againt modified cars are i feel are bullshit and i will never have a stock car just becuase "the man" thinks it polutes more. picture this:

i drive my sr 240sx maybe once or twice a week. IF THAT.
someone else drives a hybrid everyday for there work commute.

which polutes more? obviously the fucking hybrid does.

i dont care if the hybrid is "greener" or "eco-friendly" there are way, WAY more things in the world that cause polution. the amount of polution that cars create is retardedly low.

dont give me that "well look at LA you can see the smog" why should i be punished becuase people love to just cram all together and create a stupidly large city. everywhere you go you see condos and apt. building being thrown up in HORDES. "lets cram as many people onto this spot of land as possible and then we'll build a fucking shopping center right next to it" the only reason car polution is even an issue is becuase people are being crammed into small spaces like this. do any of those states with more lax smog laws have a population problem like this? NO.

so to sum it up. FUCK retarded smog laws. FUCK over crowding/population.

[DataXUnknown]

i aint swapping shit back. laws againt modified cars are i feel are bullshit and i will never have a stock car just becuase "the man" thinks it polutes more. picture this:

i drive my sr 240sx maybe once or twice a week. IF THAT.
someone else drives a hybrid everyday for there work commute.

which polutes more? obviously the fucking hybrid does.

i dont care if the hybrid is "greener" or "eco-friendly" there are way, WAY more things in the world that cause polution. the amount of polution that cars create is retardedly low.

dont give me that "well look at LA you can see the smog" why should i be punished becuase people love to just cram all together and create a stupidly large city. everywhere you go you see condos and apt. building being thrown up in HORDES. "lets cram as many people onto this spot of land as possible and then we'll build a fucking shopping center right next to it" the only reason car polution is even an issue is becuase people are being crammed into small spaces like this. do any of those states with more lax smog laws have a population problem like this? NO.

so to sum it up. FUCK retarded smog laws. FUCK over crowding/population.

Amen.

I'm waiting to see others results because I don't wanna drive 100 miles just to be told I'm getting an extension until my birthday, then the CHP is gunna fuck me over.

[deadpirate]

angry but valid point written here


cows pollute more than cars do

[JeremyR]

cops should check if the cows still have their catalyc converters, not cars ;)

[Forge_55b]

i got a modified exhaust ticket at LAX last month and called CHP in Santa Fe Springs which of course said the budget cuts etc, etc. Last week though I called the CHP in Westminster and was told that yes, they can sign off tickets with just a walk in. Also my bail amount is over $900 and im not paying that cause a cop followed me after I rolled by him at idle, to the stoplight.

[!Zar!]

cows pollute more than cars do

Lets kill all cows.

Lets start with Rosie O`Donnell.

[Boostin on you]

i got a modified exhaust ticket at LAX last month and called CHP in Santa Fe Springs which of course said the budget cuts etc, etc. Last week though I called the CHP in Westminster and was told that yes, they can sign off tickets with just a walk in. Also my bail amount is over $900 and im not paying that cause a cop followed me after I rolled by him at idle, to the stoplight.


Was your exhaust different than stock exhaust? If so you can get a ticket, just fight the ticket talk to the judge tell him/her the bail is way too much just for a fix it ticket and ask to lower it.

[niSm095]

i aint swapping shit back. laws againt modified cars are i feel are bullshit and i will never have a stock car just becuase "the man" thinks it polutes more. picture this:

i drive my sr 240sx maybe once or twice a week. IF THAT.
someone else drives a hybrid everyday for there work commute.

which polutes more? obviously the fucking hybrid does.

i dont care if the hybrid is "greener" or "eco-friendly" there are way, WAY more things in the world that cause polution. the amount of polution that cars create is retardedly low.

dont give me that "well look at LA you can see the smog" why should i be punished becuase people love to just cram all together and create a stupidly large city. everywhere you go you see condos and apt. building being thrown up in HORDES. "lets cram as many people onto this spot of land as possible and then we'll build a fucking shopping center right next to it" the only reason car polution is even an issue is becuase people are being crammed into small spaces like this. do any of those states with more lax smog laws have a population problem like this? NO.

so to sum it up. FUCK retarded smog laws. FUCK over crowding/population.

goddamn...I agree with this guy. I don't envy you guys on the other coast one bit. I feel like shit that you guys get dragged through this BS so hard...CURRENTLY...SC doesn't have an emissions laws...hasnt in about 15 years thankfully. The way it is here I don't think something like smog and ref would go over well here...with all the rednecks and their camaros, WS6s and 'fox body' mustangs with straight pipes...regardless I agree. cows pollute more. cars don't pollute that much. the problem is the retards that decided it'd be a good idea to shove that many people in that small an area...and allow it to keep going

[JeremyR]

the more apts/condos they cram on a spot of land, the more money they will make.

the more mega-shopping centers they throw up next to the mega-apt they'll make even more money.

in the end it all boils down to what makes THEM (developers/land owners/business owners/etc) more rich. and you gonna try and tell me there arnt rich people who love cars like we do? of course there is. only difference is they have the $$$ to fight the laws or pay of stupid tickets while the rest of us get raped in the ass. its all politics and business and im fucking sicik of it. i need to move to a state that understands how retarded smog laws are. or move out of the country or something. everyone saws cali is so awesome but really its not. i've lived here my whole life and having also traveled to most of the continental us in my life, i can say there are definatly better places to live without the retarded laws, overpriced housing and hordes of people. i dont care if cali gots beaches sun and girls. you swear like cali's the only state that has these things. a good portion of our country boarders the ocean. and you can find girls just about everywhere. anyway pointless rant really but to all you guys out there that think cali is some great place, its really not. good for a vacation but i hate it here.

[HyperTek]

go ahead. have fun sourcing used parts or paying a shitload when you want parts shipped to you. Have fun looking for car meets with people who have simular car style/interests and end up being the only modified car at the meet lol

[cc4usmc]

I got a ref ticket last week. Cop pulled me over for my exhaust... popped my hood and wrote me up for my headers and intake. I asked him about the ref stations closed and he said that as long as you can prove you have an appointment you're good. then he mentioned he was writing out my tickets so that if I get pulled over and my car isn't fixed, regardless of it being inspected by the ref, that it would be impounded and I would be taken to jail. Soo.. i just swapped my stock manifold back over.. but.. my intake has a carb # and when I look it up it says its CARB legal.. only when I looked over the list according to the carb number.. the s14 isnt on it. wtf.

[HyperTek]

fucking aye

man fuck the law lol

[steve shadows]

........ i .......... am ......... speech........... less................ omfg i hope this is real. I'm starting to believe in God. I LOVE ARNOLD!!!!

That's right Arnold is God, everyone should write him thank you letters.

The madness has to stop.

Personal freedom should be allowed as long as you have smog equipment (ie cat).

That sounds fair to me.

[Tomkun-s13]

That's what I've been saying for a loooong time. If all emission equipment is hooked up and working properly. Why is it a big deal what anyone does to there car....

Because California, likes to scam people for money and this was an easy way to do it...

[DataXUnknown]

I finally got the ticket in the mail and it came out to $762.

but on the top it says "Non correctable fee: $762"

and under that it says "Correctable fee:" and it's just blank?

So to my understanding I just pay the $762 and be on my way. Although my ticket was for not obeying a posted order, and also missing smog devices.

[cc4usmc]

I don't know how swapping out an intake or a exhaust manifold constitutes removing a smog device. Ugh.

[skylindrftr]

I finally got the ticket in the mail and it came out to $762.

but on the top it says "Non correctable fee: $762"

and under that it says "Correctable fee:" and it's just blank?

So to my understanding I just pay the $762 and be on my way. Although my ticket was for not obeying a posted order, and also missing smog devices.

What posted order were you disobeying?

[cc4usmc]

I have a question. I just read over the entire searches and seizures thread and there was a post that got my attention. A police officer doesn't have the right to pop your hood unless your car has a visible illegal modification i.e. exhaust, fmic, too low, etc. Any one of those would give him probable cause. Lets say you have a modified exhaust but you are using a silencer which would reduce your db within the legal limit, and assuming there isn't anything else illegal... would that mean that he couldn't pop it?

[!Zar!]

There are two separate laws.

One is any exhaust over the legal limit is illegal.

The other is ANYTHING aside from what your car was equip from, from the factory is illegal. Yes even custom made stock exhaust.

So an aftermarket exhaust is still illegal in California. Doesn't mean they can pop it, but if you refuse, they have the right to tow your car to a yard. Then they will pop it there. So you would have to pay for whatever illegal modifications, but you'll have to pay for tow/yard fee's.

Also, driving a car around with a state ref ticket on it's head is illegal.

The chances of getting impounded/jailed isn't high... But is possible.

You will get a ticket for...fuck, I'm forgetting right now. I'll let you know later. But it isn't correctable and it is a point on your license.

Once a car is state reffed, it's deamed illegal for the streets until checked and verified as road legal.

So, in theory, you're supposed to tow your car to the state ref... but like nobody does that.

Just hope not to get pulled over again and owned by a dick cop.

[silviachik420]

the bottom line is if they wana pop it they will get you to let them or else they will use some legal mumbo jumbo and it will happen they are good at that shit


I have a question. I just read over the entire searches and seizures thread and there was a post that got my attention. A police officer doesn't have the right to pop your hood unless your car has a visible illegal modification i.e. exhaust, fmic, too low, etc. Any one of those would give him probable cause. Lets say you have a modified exhaust but you are using a silencer which would reduce your db within the legal limit, and assuming there isn't anything else illegal... would that mean that he couldn't pop it?

[!Zar!]

The bottom line is why even try to fight them?

Not to mention, a header and intake is pretty pointless in terms of stressing and hassling with cops.

Definitely not worth the hp benefits.

Same stress and hassle as owning a car with turbo?

psch. no thanks.

People SHOULD just buy dd's.

But that's too easy I guess.

[HyperTek]

What posted order were you disobeying?

not driving an american car probably :ssex:

i had a ref ticket in my s13 when i first went sr... a buddy was driving my car at the time while i was in his 240z, he happen to be the last one behind us in a line of a few 240s.. cop pops out of nieghborhood and pulls us over, my car is at teh end of the line so they target that one... funny because the car had a turbo timer and my friend didnt know how to turn it off, so the cops where yelling at him "turn it off!" and he was like "it is off!" and he threw the keys out.. ughhh

but i drove the car with teh ref *had no choice it was my only car*.. and paid it off, then got another ref ticket after that, and paid that off too... I would carry the paperwork from the prior time to show the cop that "i already got this ticket before and took care of it" but thier attitude is mostly "well you can take care of it again".

Thats wack because i mean that can be your only car, and the law just fucks you over.

[cc4usmc]

There are two separate laws.

One is any exhaust over the legal limit is illegal.

The other is ANYTHING aside from what your car was equip from, from the factory is illegal. Yes even custom made stock exhaust.

So an aftermarket exhaust is still illegal in California. Doesn't mean they can pop it, but if you refuse, they have the right to tow your car to a yard. Then they will pop it there. So you would have to pay for whatever illegal modifications, but you'll have to pay for tow/yard fee's.

Well the exhaust would be a "corrected?" exhaust. If they tell you to put the stock back on or use a silencer how would it still be illegal if you're using a silencer? So your saying they have the right to tow your vehicle in the case of aftermarket parts, but in any other situation when they want to search your vehicle they can't? Assuming they don't have probable cause. If i'm talking out of my ass, its because my brain shut down a few hours ago. :duh:

EDIT: Damn Zar you just added a bunch of new shit while i typed this post up lol

[cc4usmc]

The bottom line is why even try to fight them?

People SHOULD just buy dd's.

But that's too easy I guess.

1: I put my life on the line for my constitutional rights as a citizen, and I wouldn't appreciate it very much if someone tried to take advantage of their power and abuse my rights. Thats all its about for me. I'm not trying to get away with an sr or ka-t.

2: I don't have the money for a dd. That might be a lot of peoples problem. Another thing.. its not practical for at least me to own two cars. There's what.. one event, maybe two per month in my area. It wouldn't be worth having a dd if my "track" car is street legal save for some bolt ons



Thats wack because i mean that can be your only car, and the law just fucks you over.

Exactly. My s14 is my only ride. I already corrected what was wrong with my car, but I sure as hell am not gonna wait around till the ref stations open back up to drive my car.

[!Zar!]

The aftermarket exhaust is illegal because it isn't made by nissan for the 240sx.

That is reason enough for the ticket.

Noise is a WHOLE nother illegal exhaust ticket.

Yes, you put your life on the line... but to cops and most people, that means nothing. (not my views by any means)

Cops have the whole power thing and the second you speak back to them they take it personal or something and then they will just go out of their way to make everything hell.

Getting pencil whipped by a cop is no fun for you nor your wallet.

I've been reffed and hassled by cops in EVERY way.

Easiest way is to play cool and listen to what they say.

I'm sure you wouldn't want to end up paying over 1k in tickets.

That could buy you a cheap lil dd or go towards a nice dd. ~_~

[cc4usmc]

Well then what is the whole point of the db rating system thing if anything that isn't made for a car isn't legal anyways? Why not just write everyone up for an aftermarket exhaust? lol

If I could afford to fight the abuse of the system, I would. But I'm a broke and jobless vet, so i'll just back down for now lol

[blu808]

If I got a ref ticket in my sr20 s14. I would swap an ls1 in with all the smog equipment and watch the ref cry with compliance tears.

[!Zar!]

Well then what is the whole point of the db rating system thing if anything that isn't made for a car isn't legal anyways? Why not just write everyone up for an aftermarket exhaust? lol

Incase one makes their stock exhaust louder.

One is a noise ticket, the other is an emissions.

Though catbacks have no real effect on emissions.

[cc4usmc]

If I got a ref ticket in my sr20 s14. I would swap an ls1 in with all the smog equipment and watch the ref cry with compliance tears.

well shit. i wish i could afford that lol. even then VQ35DE... that one's legal too right?

VV I don't know if your pm was a response to the vq question lol

[blu808]

Well if thats true then why is the stock exhaust on a 240 made by calsonic?

[!Zar!]

Well if thats true then why is the stock exhaust on a 240 made by calsonic?

Touchè.

But it's the oem exhaust made for nissan by them.

And the cops can give out tickets for anything other than that.

[blu808]

Im starting a new company called Callsonicc

Full street legal Titanium straight pipes coming soon.

[bardabe]

last time i checked when you get a ticket for your exhaust you can go to a carb station or bar i think it is. not 100% sure the name of the palce. but they will check you got a cat. and do a DB test on the exhaust. if it passes they will sertify it and you can go back to the CHP and slap the ticket on their face with the certification. if they don't write it off just wait til court. the judge will.

[!Zar!]

That's what Falkon240 did.

[cc4usmc]

Well my point in inquiring about all of this is just because I don't want cops taking advantage of their power, at least with me. But at this point, I have to bend over and take it because I'm fucking broke. I just hope the fact that my CEL is on doesn't effect anything when it comes time to get my car inspected by the ref's.

[HyperTek]

now it would be interesting if your car has a sr swap with all stock sr equpiment, air box etc.. and you go to a ref check, be like "oh thats the motor that was in teh car when i bought it like that, i dont touch that stuff i thought it was original" ... wonder what htey would do

[skylindrftr]

now it would be interesting if your car has a sr swap with all stock sr equpiment, air box etc.. and you go to a ref check, be like "oh thats the motor that was in teh car when i bought it like that, i dont touch that stuff i thought it was original" ... wonder what htey would do

probably still rape you

[blu808]

In the butt.

[!Zar!]

Well my point in inquiring about all of this is just because I don't want cops taking advantage of their power, at least with me. But at this point, I have to bend over and take it because I'm fucking broke. I just hope the fact that my CEL is on doesn't effect anything when it comes time to get my car inspected by the ref's.

If your CEL is on, then you won't pass smog. Since you won't pass smog, you won't pass ref.
now it would be interesting if your car has a sr swap with all stock sr equpiment, air box etc.. and you go to a ref check, be like "oh thats the motor that was in teh car when i bought it like that, i dont touch that stuff i thought it was original" ... wonder what htey would do

Doesn't matter if nissan put the engine in there for you.

The smog setup isn't the same, nor does an sr even look like a ka.

They use alldata as well as other learnings to check your car with a fine tooth comb.

So that argument is pretty weak.

You WILL fail and it won't be pretty.

[cc4usmc]

If your CEL is on, then you won't pass smog. Since you won't pass smog, you won't pass ref.


So people that get ref'd have to go get their cars smogged too? :confused:

[norcal_black240]

I got a quick question. (prob already been covered but ill still ask anyways)

If you get your after market exhaust certified by the ref and a cop pulls you over. Can they still pop your hood? I know they can if you have anything besides stock but if the ref approved the after market exhaust could you possibly get out of poping your hood since its been approved by the ref?

(anyone interested in the process to have a certified aftermarket exhaust by the ref Exhaust/Intake ticket legalization process & FAQ (http://forums.apexnetwork.net/index.php?topic=403.0) here is the process that my friend had to go through to get it approved.

[!Zar!]

So people that get ref'd have to go get their cars smogged too? :confused:

Yes.

They smog your car at the ref.

Total fee's is like $35 or less iirc.

[cc4usmc]

Yes.

They smog your car at the ref.

Total fee's is like $35 or less iirc.

Well fuck me.

[SimpleSexy180]

they only smog it if its for modified emissions..

exhaust and noise level is just a db test.

[keistyle]

i never got hassedled by the cjops in my corolla!
it was silkroad headees straight to trust dd.. i have had cops RGIHT behind me numerious times and it was slllalll good! eally!dpends on the cop and his agenda.
i have a qustion though.. waht happends if a cop cathces you with an sr?
i knwo kat can be mad eto look as tstock .. sort of

[FaLKoN240]

i never got hassedled by the cjops in my corolla!
it was silkroad headees straight to trust dd.. i have had cops RGIHT behind me numerious times and it was slllalll good! eally!dpends on the cop and his agenda.
i have a qustion though.. waht happends if a cop cathces you with an sr?
i knwo kat can be mad eto look as tstock .. sort of

Did you read ANYTHING in this thread?

[!Zar!]

they only smog it if its for modified emissions..

exhaust and noise level is just a db test.

Yes. But he was cited for having a header and intake which would go under emissions.

But you are right for exh/db tickets.

[Om1kron]

pay your insurance and make sure your car is registered, and dont run boso pipes on the streets cops never pull over evo's and sti's unless they're driving like dummies or those things are in question.

[!Zar!]

Not always true.

It sure helps.

But doesn't mean that cops won't pull you over.

All depends on how he's feeling and where/what time you're driving.

I know all too well from experience.

[skylindrftr]

I got a quick question. (prob already been covered but ill still ask anyways)

If you get your after market exhaust certified by the ref and a cop pulls you over. Can they still pop your hood? I know they can if you have anything besides stock but if the ref approved the after market exhaust could you possibly get out of poping your hood since its been approved by the ref?

(anyone interested in the process to have a certified aftermarket exhaust by the ref Exhaust/Intake ticket legalization process & FAQ (http://forums.apexnetwork.net/index.php?topic=403.0) here is the process that my friend had to go through to get it approved.

I asked this question before and never got a straight answer, would be interested if anyone had this kind of experience....

[!Zar!]

In theory, they shouldn't.

But this is america.

So you'll end up with your hood open.

Either way, no point trying to hide stuff from the cops, more than likely they will find out one way or another.

Refusing to pop your hood just makes you more suspicious.

Also, fyi. If you have a weapon (knife of any sort) or drugs in your car, the cops can legaly search your car.

[Om1kron]

Not always true.

It sure helps.

But doesn't mean that cops won't pull you over.

All depends on how he's feeling and where/what time you're driving.

I know all too well from experience.

I cant tell you one time i've ever been pulled over that someone asked to pop my hood since 1999 when I was caught racing...

Stopped driving like a dumbshit and have been left alone since. Your driving record has a lot to do with it too when they look your name up. If you have recent infractions they will probably just dick with you just cause.

[!Zar!]

I've been pulled over in many different cars and for those times, non were caused due to my driving at these particular times.

I've been pulled over infront of my house in a stock car.

All depends on the cops mood.

They know all too well about cars and modifications.

You use to be able to drive around and not act like an ass.

But now a days it isn't the case.

I know too many people and have had too many experiences to see that just driving normal would fix getting pulled over. Not to mention why would anyone even be doing anything to bring attention to themselves in the first case.

All in all, just buy a DD and don't have to worry about the cops.

SO much easier to deal with in life.

Not to mention saves wear and tear on the car.

[UfoZ8myCow]

All I know is...

When I daily drove my S13 coupe, I got pulled over 4 times in 3 months.

-Once for doing 55 in a 45 on Angeles Crest, let me go with just a tint ticket.
-A week later for tint again in Hollywood (didnt have the previous ticket with me because Im dumb, so got another one)
-Unsafe turn... Apparently taking a left hander at 35 is unsafe even though the car was never in jeopardy of hitting anything and there was nobody else in the intersection and I had a green arrow.
-Pulled me over because he thought my exhaust looked illegal (I just had a 350Z tip on a stock muffler... dumbass).


Once I sold the S13, I got a Jaguar X Type AWD. Its faster, more comfortable, more reliable, and I could be doing 100mph on the freeway while snorting coke off a hooker's ass and cops still dont give a shit about pulling me over.

Long story short. Get a daily driver thats not an S chassis. Then you can build your S chassis any way you want and beat the shit out of it on the track whenever you want. Stay off their radar if you dont want to be fucked with.

[trsilvias13]

Or get a rotary powered car. When a cop pulls me over and I always get the, wait here, I'm going to call a specialist. Then when he comes, he goes rotary eh? Here is an exhaust ticket - no other ticket yet (*knock on wood). - Flames shooting out doesn't help with the, it an oem exhaust.

I do not think cat backs are illegal as they have nothing to do with emission, only noise reduction. The cat is what help with emission, anything after that would only affect noise level. Think of all the midas/magnaflow/flowmaster/aftermarket exhaust out there.

If they were truely illegal and I was a cop trying to make money. I'll just walk around n probably give like 2 out of 5 cars a ticket.

[skylindrftr]

All I know is...

When I daily drove my S13 coupe, I got pulled over 4 times in 3 months.

-Once for doing 55 in a 45 on Angeles Crest, let me go with just a tint ticket.
-A week later for tint again in Hollywood (didnt have the previous ticket with me because Im dumb, so got another one)
-Unsafe turn... Apparently taking a left hander at 35 is unsafe even though the car was never in jeopardy of hitting anything and there was nobody else in the intersection and I had a green arrow.
-Pulled me over because he thought my exhaust looked illegal (I just had a 350Z tip on a stock muffler... dumbass).


Once I sold the S13, I got a Jaguar X Type AWD. Its faster, more comfortable, more reliable, and I could be doing 100mph on the freeway while snorting coke off a hooker's ass and cops still dont give a shit about pulling me over.

Long story short. Get a daily driver thats not an S chassis. Then you can build your S chassis any way you want and beat the shit out of it on the track whenever you want. Stay off their radar if you dont want to be fucked with.

Yeah a friend got a 55 in a 45 on ac too, thi swas like right before it changes to 55, the friggin dumbest ticket... The guy was a ticket nazi too, made him pop the hood even though the car was all stock, save for a quiet catback (s13). Then was like "you're a good boy for not modifying this intake". ...........

[UfoZ8myCow]

Yeah at least the CHP guy that pulled me over didnt bother popping the hood. He cooled off when I showed him military ID and told him I was just killing time before heading to OCS in a month. Then he just gave me a pep talk and sent me on my way. As long as you are courteous and havent done something completely bananas, they are usually nice enough back.

[!Zar!]

All I know is...

When I daily drove my S13 coupe, I got pulled over 4 times in 3 months.

-Once for doing 55 in a 45 on Angeles Crest, let me go with just a tint ticket.
-A week later for tint again in Hollywood (didnt have the previous ticket with me because Im dumb, so got another one)
-Unsafe turn... Apparently taking a left hander at 35 is unsafe even though the car was never in jeopardy of hitting anything and there was nobody else in the intersection and I had a green arrow.
-Pulled me over because he thought my exhaust looked illegal (I just had a 350Z tip on a stock muffler... dumbass).


Once I sold the S13, I got a Jaguar X Type AWD. Its faster, more comfortable, more reliable, and I could be doing 100mph on the freeway while snorting coke off a hooker's ass and cops still dont give a shit about pulling me over.

Long story short. Get a daily driver thats not an S chassis. Then you can build your S chassis any way you want and beat the shit out of it on the track whenever you want. Stay off their radar if you dont want to be fucked with.
DD helps you not have to deal with cops. But when they do pull you over, they should have nothing on you. Unless you deserve a ticket for whatever.

I was pulled over infront of my house while driving home in my e500.

Cop couldn't do anything because I had/did nothing illegal.
Or get a rotary powered car. When a cop pulls me over and I always get the, wait here, I'm going to call a specialist. Then when he comes, he goes rotary eh? Here is an exhaust ticket - no other ticket yet (*knock on wood). - Flames shooting out doesn't help with the, it an oem exhaust.

I do not think cat backs are illegal as they have nothing to do with emission, only noise reduction. The cat is what help with emission, anything after that would only affect noise level. Think of all the midas/magnaflow/flowmaster/aftermarket exhaust out there.

If they were truely illegal and I was a cop trying to make money. I'll just walk around n probably give like 2 out of 5 cars a ticket.
I've had a fc and that isn't the case. They know their stuff also. Though you can run a better turbo and fly under their radar easily.

I only shot flames when I am on it. If you're driving normal, no flames should be coming out.

The way the law is written, a cop COULD ticket any car with an exhaust made by a muffler shop or performance shop. They just don't. They use it as a reason to pop your hood for the most part.
Yeah a friend got a 55 in a 45 on ac too, thi swas like right before it changes to 55, the friggin dumbest ticket... The guy was a ticket nazi too, made him pop the hood even though the car was all stock, save for a quiet catback (s13). Then was like "you're a good boy for not modifying this intake". ...........
I got a ticket for 4 over in my dd. Shit's gay.

Yeah at least the CHP guy that pulled me over didnt bother popping the hood. He cooled off when I showed him military ID and told him I was just killing time before heading to OCS in a month. Then he just gave me a pep talk and sent me on my way. As long as you are courteous and havent done something completely bananas, they are usually nice enough back.
Yeah, I've known a few people who got out of tickets due to being in the armed forces.