Irritated, my rant.

[burnsauto]

Ok...so for the last year or so they have been building a 4.5 mile track about 4-5 miles away from my house. Now most of you would be thrilled...tons of sweeping, banked turns.. long straights, etc etc.

But heres the kicker. Its a members only track.

This means:
•no open track days, EVER.
•never even seeing the thing in person
•no WATCHING races
•nothing. no fun....ever.

To become a member, its $100,000...plus another $7,000 every year after that. Its much more than just the track, they have an on site hotel, spa, etc etc. Jeff Gordan, Jerry Seinfield, and others are all members (they already have quite a few hundred members already and they JUST had the opening ceremony for it.) They drive their $500,000 benz through some of the poorest areas in the state (particularly Monticello - where the track is located), while everyone else is just struggling to get by.

Its upsetting that here's something that could be really beneficial to the area (its a very poor area - highest AIDS and teen preg. rate outside of nyc) and they're doing nothing but catering to the over indulgent playboys who want to drive upstate to abuse their 4 million dollar ferrari. I have no problem with someone who works hard for their money enjoying it, but that all inclusive attitude just gets under my skin. Even if they had open track days once a month, I'd be happy as hell. The warehouse I work at drops of tons of material to the track, and the construction workers were even saying "yeah...we're building a track we'll never see, or ever be able to drive on"..its like an ongoing joke with everyone.

Its not jealousy thats fueling this rant..I'm thinking more about the community that could prosper from it. With a track like this, It would bring in tons of people. New hotels would open, shopping, etc would open up...and hell...maybe the unemployment level would decrease a little..

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[MrFairlady]

I hear that.Theres one being built Here in N.C near Moorseville (30-50mins outside charlotte) and its the Same Shit.

Hotel/Condominiums w/ Garage Paddocks next to the track.its like $200k to join and $10k a year or some crazy Shit.

[Future240]

Richies and there selfish ways. I cant stand when good things benefit so few just because a few people with tons of cash want to feel special

[clark]

fuck that's BS. i'd totally drive out there once a month for a track day.

total bs.

[Adam496]

Noo need to rant. You'll have an opportunity to drive it.

From what i have heard the North Track is private. The southern track has open to the public hpde events scheduled for it.

http://www.pdadrivingschool.com/article.php

Track opening in SNJ
http://www.njmotorsportspark.com/

[SW20Racer]

its clear to me you only real option is
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[racepar1]

Just charge it! Wait till the rich assholes get all comfy and feel safe and just charge out onto the track and don't stop till you need gas!

[murda-c]

Well, zilvia is going to have to incorporate so we can all get rich and use that track.

[Adam496]

From the link

"PDA has two fall dates at the new Monticello Motor Club track- September 26 and October 24".

[burnsauto]

yeah its an awesome place...i mean...look...helipad anyone? lol

i was thinking about breaking in during the night and tearing it up....i'd be worth the night in jail.

[Full-Lock]

yea theres one near me like that.
ive been out there a few times becasue i have a friend thats a member.
similar price to join..like 80k i think.

its a super nice track.
they have land you can buy to build your own garage and living area, etc.
a few shops trackside too mainly catering to the bmw/porsche owners.

[WangonwWarrior]

Thats sounds like the barbers reactrack here in birmingham except he is a cool buy. They havee track days every now and then and it cost about $350.00 to run out their. His track is just as nice as all of these too. I cant wait till my car is ready. LONG LIVE THE SOUTH

[TheTimanator]

there was actually something about that track in new york on tv a couple days ago. Like a lifestyles of the rich and famous type thing.

[flip3d]

$100,000?

Go to school and start a better career.

I'll hit up that shi 10 years from now :P

[DreamN]

damn, talk about a swift kick to the balls. that track layout looks freakin' sweet too.

[Matej]

Yeah that place is definitely fun, had my 240 airlifted there last week.

[burnsauto]

damn, talk about a swift kick to the balls. that track layout looks freakin' sweet too.

the real kicker is the changes in elevation...


but, im leaving for school in sept. ...after that I'm just moving to a warmer area with more tracks open to the general public..

[YoungGun]

the real kicker is the changes in elevation...


but, im leaving for school in sept. ...after that I'm just moving to a warmer area with more tracks open to the general public..
Good move.

Really sucks, I bet those guys dont even drive hard haha.

[JRas]

maybe employs get to drive the track?

[Akiros]

maybe employs get to drive the track?

talk about benefits. WHO needs healthcare? not I.

[shmiddy]

what do u expect, were in new york... new york isnt the most "race track" friendly state in the united states...

on another note 100k?!?!?!?!? WHAT THE FUCK!!!!!! lol i like the sabotage idea.. anarcy baby

[Firestorm]

why not break in and spray "Open this track to the public" in big fat letters on the track? that would at least give it some Nuerburgring flavor ;)

[SHIFT_*grind*]

Good God, that's bullshit. I don't understand the attitude of catering entirely to the small stupidly wealthy community while the other 99.99% are completely ignored.

I live in a military town; you can throw a rock in any direction and hit a naval base. You'd think that with the way the economy is, and the number of low- to middle-income military families around, they'd be putting up more affordable housing. Nope. "Prince Edward Estates," a complex of monstrous cookie-cutter houses that all look exactly alike and probably cost $800,000.

[burnsauto]

what do u expect, were in new york... new york isnt the most "race track" friendly state in the united states...

on another note 100k?!?!?!?!? WHAT THE FUCK!!!!!! lol i like the sabotage idea.. anarcy baby

Track is in monticello, about 90 miles north of nyc (around 2-2.5 hours by car if you factor in hitting traffic.) Its on the site of the old monticello airport.


Guys, check out the site www.monticellomotorclub.com

[ChristopherL]

I think that is very unfair. I live in Ottawa Ontario and recently (Within the last few years) There was a track built about 45minutes away from my house located in Calabogie. It's the longest and one of the nicest tracks in Canada and even THEY have open track days. Mind you to participate your car can not be over 92Db on a flyby and it cost's 400$ for the day, but at least they allow it to be open for anyone who can afford it.

[240trainee]

Thats kinda what VIR is, but it's not exclusive to the rich, they are very good about combining both worlds, the rich and the average.

It amuses me you all act like it's a crime against humanity. A race track isn't a public service, it's an investment. Just like private golf courses and the like.

It is kinda fucked that it's in a super poor area, and they don't contribute anything, but such is life I guess.

[azndoc]

So much better than a golf country club.

Sounds really nice.

maybe in the future they'll open it for the public, but I'm sure for the time being they want to make their money back and cater to those who can afford it for the inclusive lifestyle.

Can't hate.

To each's own.

[UfoZ8myCow]

Its not really a big travesty... Its just like any country club where all they do is play golf except in this one, they have a race track.

Think about it... If you went through the trouble of somehow making a shitload of money, wouldnt you want to do things with a little exclusivity? I don't want some kid in a shitbox Civic running on the same track as me if I'm driving a 911 GT2 or something. That'd be like Tiger Woods going to a public golf course. It makes no sense.

I'm sure they'll open it to the public every now and again, but I dont think anyone should feel entitled to using this track. It's a private investment, they can do whatever they want with it.

[burnsauto]

Its not really a big travesty... Its just like any country club where all they do is play golf except in this one, they have a race track.

Think about it... If you went through the trouble of somehow making a shitload of money, wouldnt you want to do things with a little exclusivity? I don't want some kid in a shitbox Civic running on the same track as me if I'm driving a 911 GT2 or something. That'd be like Tiger Woods going to a public golf course. It makes no sense.

I'm sure they'll open it to the public every now and again, but I dont think anyone should feel entitled to using this track. It's a private investment, they can do whatever they want with it.

you don't know the type of area this track is built in. And hey guess what...you can RENT a track...so you don't have to drive your gt3 along with an EK9...

there is no justifying arrogance.

[honeybadger]

If they have enough money to build their own track they should be allowed to have some say in the member list...

[luftrofl]

Its not really a big travesty... Its just like any country club where all they do is play golf except in this one, they have a race track.

Think about it... If you went through the trouble of somehow making a shitload of money, wouldnt you want to do things with a little exclusivity? I don't want some kid in a shitbox Civic running on the same track as me if I'm driving a 911 GT2 or something. That'd be like Tiger Woods going to a public golf course. It makes no sense.

I'm sure they'll open it to the public every now and again, but I dont think anyone should feel entitled to using this track. It's a private investment, they can do whatever they want with it.

My thoughts exactly.

While I think that this is somewhat of a dick move, given the circumstances, it's also not my money so why should I get a say in the matter?

[McRussellPants]

Guys heres the deal and yeah, its mostly a rant and probably off on a tangent but whatever.

Every time I see a thread about a track that just opened up its some sob story about how its too expensive or how they won't bend over backwards to hold a drift event there for half price or something. THEY DON'T NEED TO CATER TO YOU.

Tracks don't want to cater to you because you're the poorest fuckers on the planet besides corrola owners.

Look at the grid at your next drift event, it will be soaked in oil from leaky peice of shit 240SXs. They don't want that on their track they just paid 1.2 million to pave.

To them, you're car is an eyesore, they don't care what hookup you got on your shitty second hand equips with the plating falling off, or why zipties are good for holding body kits on. It looks dumpy to them.

The way drift events teach people to learn is totally different than the way you learn to track a car, and yeah, it kinda needs to be but to them, watching you spin/off 500 times before you get the corner right makes you look like an asshat.

Yeah, that tracks 100k membership, it might be FIA certified so it can get away with it or something.but there are 1000 other tracks where member ship is 3000$ first time and like 1000$ annual.

Its a good value, you'll learn so much more lapping a track for 4hrs by yourself than sitting in grid at some shitbox event in a parking lot for 5 runs on a set of easy corners that don't teach you a skill set.

I'm about to join a members only track named Harris Hill Road, Stews already a member at MSR. its a good idea, once you're a member and paying them they care alot less about you making demands. if you make friends with one of the managers they'll generally let you do whatever the fuck you want as long as it doesn't bother other members. most of them have clauses to bring friends out, have your friend pay your track fees for the day and bring him with you.

Oh, Also, Tracks need to be members only for insurance reasons, theres not a track on the planet that will just let joe shmo show up with 100$ to run for 4hrs, if you rent a track you're basically paying the insurance for the day.

And apparently the track your complaining about has already invited a PCA club out for a couple days, all you need to register for a PCA event is a Porsche VIN, just go write one down from a mall parking lot and sign up for that PCA event and run the track.

[UfoZ8myCow]

you don't know the type of area this track is built in. And hey guess what...you can RENT a track...so you don't have to drive your gt3 along with an EK9...

there is no justifying arrogance.

That's the problem with being better than everyone else. People tend to assume you're pretentious.

Ok, I kid. Sort of.

Try to look at it from their perspective. I think the people who built the place had this in mind:

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Plenty of racetracks are built in shitty areas and/or out in the middle of nowhere. Why? Because the huge amount of land needed is way cheaper and its not like they are going to have the space to do something like this in New York City.

[burnsauto]

EDIT.

I had a large arguement, but that wasnt really the point of this thread..

it was me more of just ..venting, my rant. which it served its purpose.

I don't really want to turn this into an arguement with people, so im closing the thread...because it could turn into something very childish, very easy.

Everyone had good points on both sides, and I appreciate them all. :bow: