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Antihero983
07-31-2008, 02:45 PM
PLEASE LET THIS GO NATIONWIDE!!

I really hope it gets outlawed everywhere!

In one of the most significant legal rulings in the tech industry this year, a Superior Court judge in California has ruled that the practice of charging consumers a fee for ending their cell phone contract early is illegal and violates state law.

The preliminary, tentative judgment orders Sprint Nextel to pay customers $18.2 million in reimbursements and, more importantly, orders Sprint to stop trying to collect another $54.7 million from California customers (some 2 million customers total) who have canceled their contracts but refused or failed to pay the termination fee.

While an appeal is inevitable, the ruling could have massive fallout throughout the industry. Without the threat of levying early termination fees, the cellular carriers lose the power that's enabled them to lock customers into contracts for multiple years at a time. And while those contracts can be heinously long, they also let the carriers offer cell phone hardware at reduced (subsidized) prices. AT&T's two-year contract is the only reason the iPhone 3G costs $199. If subsidies vanish, what happens to hardware lock-in? Could an era of expensive, but unlocked, hardware be just around the corner? It's highly probable.

Of course, the carriers aren't going to take this lying down. Early termination fees are seen as critical to business, so carriers are expected to look for ways to reclassify the fees (such as by calling them "rates," part of the arcane set of laws that covers the telecommunications industry). The industry is also pushing for the federal government to step in and claim oversight over the early termination fee issue, which would invalidate any state ruling. The FCC is generally more tolerant of such fees, though Chairman Kevin Martin has proposed a plan whereby the fees are decreased the closer you are to the end of your contract.

The FCC may also buy the argument that, since carriers are nationally based (and consumers can use their phones anywhere in the country), that a single policy should apply across the nation, rather than creating a patchwork of legislation that could lead to confusion and chaos caused by having 50 different policies.

Is the early termination fee dead? Not yet, but it's looking a little haggard.

S13_Nightkid
07-31-2008, 02:54 PM
seems ok on paper but i wanna see how this really comes into play.

DreamN
07-31-2008, 02:59 PM
OMG YES!!! Hopefully this actually works out.

stiizy
07-31-2008, 03:04 PM
awh i hope we get this in NY too i want out of my contract so bad!!

k's_silvia2.0
07-31-2008, 03:08 PM
Im on hold with T-mobile right now as im typing.Telling their ass that I quick F'ers!!!

mrmephistopheles
07-31-2008, 03:19 PM
this would be an AWESOME thing for consumers.

Dutchmalmiss
07-31-2008, 03:28 PM
this would be an AWESOME thing for consumers.

Especially with T-mobile peeps and the iPhone.

mrmephistopheles
07-31-2008, 04:04 PM
I should add a caveat - great for consumers in the long run, but the carriers will definitely jack up the cost of their plans to offset the loss of cash from these 'penalties'.

Pank
07-31-2008, 04:20 PM
I dont see how they're illegal if you sign a CONTRACT agreeing to them. Sure, they suck a shit ton, but they're not illegal, imho

usdm180sx
07-31-2008, 04:22 PM
I should add a caveat - great for consumers in the long run, but the carriers will definitely jack up the cost of their plans to offset the loss of cash from these 'penalties'.

Agreed. Carriers are gonna make their money somehow.

cgtdream
07-31-2008, 04:26 PM
WOW so good things do come out of CALI every once in a blue moon...must be the tides or somn...

YoungGun
07-31-2008, 04:39 PM
Yeah just saw this on yahoo as well. Hopefully it goes through.

Icy13
07-31-2008, 06:09 PM
I dont see how they're illegal if you sign a CONTRACT agreeing to them. Sure, they suck a shit ton, but they're not illegal, imho

They are illegal the same way a coerced confession is. Not saying that cell phone contracts are on the same level or anything, just providing a precedent that has some similarity.

Same way the ACLU has gotten a ton of laws that are unconstitutional repealed and the people who suffered under these laws get reparations because even though they may have submitted to the law, the fact that the law was invalid makes their submission null/void.

BustedS13
07-31-2008, 06:10 PM
WOW so good things do come out of CALI every once in a blue moon...must be the tides or somn...
just what i was thinking, but...

in other news, they're set to prohibit building fast food restaurants in a 30 square mile block of low-income LA. they're outlawing selling food to adults.

worangejuice
07-31-2008, 06:16 PM
Sweet, now I can get away frrom these sonsabitches!!!!!!!!!!!!!

cc4usmc
07-31-2008, 06:17 PM
sweet... now refund the money i paid to have my sprint contract ended early lol

DRavenS13
08-02-2008, 12:39 AM
So does that mean that everyone that sues the cell phone companies for paying termination fees can go back and get refunded?

luisgonz
08-02-2008, 12:42 AM
That means I will get money.LOL

unwed_transient
08-02-2008, 12:45 AM
lol.

this idiot judge is going to be laughed at by the cell carrier lobby and industry when this is reversed on appeal in about 3-4 weeks.


land of fruits and nuts.

Matej
08-02-2008, 01:03 AM
This is a nice idea, but I don't know if it'll go through. Service providers have a monopoly on you and they're out to make as much money off you as possible, they don't want anyone changing that.

chitownguy
08-02-2008, 01:12 AM
If it ends up working sweet, if not then could they please at least have a way to choose how long you want your contract (and not rape you). Like 1 month, 6 month, 1 year, and 2 year contracts that are all affordable because to me that seems like it would solve this pesky little problem.

LeftNutOfGowd
08-02-2008, 01:24 AM
SWEET i don't care if this does go nation wide i live in Cali so i hope this does happen. I mean its bad enough we have smog regulation and everyone else doesn't so i hope this one passes lol

WERDdabuilder
08-02-2008, 01:28 AM
please let this happen. i want to get out of my verizon contract and they are bitches.

98s14inaz
08-02-2008, 09:19 AM
I'd much rather pay more for an unlocked phone than be locked into a contract. Verizon is starting to have it's early termination fees reduced by the amount time you are with the company. I think it goes down $5-10 bucks a month or something like that. I don't know all the details.

DOOK
08-02-2008, 09:43 AM
US cellular better not raise my rates or I'll tell them to fuck off

HyperTek
08-02-2008, 10:01 AM
Hey guys you know the price of cell phones will go up from this right? No more free or cheap phones

Future240
08-02-2008, 11:00 AM
Hey guys you know the price of cell phones will go up from this right? No more free or cheap phones

Plans will probably increase as well

slow_sr20
08-02-2008, 11:11 AM
if this happens hopefully they will work on their customer service, i HATE going to verizons store! employees don't give a shit if your phones' screwed. if theres no such thing as a contract they might have to play nice and kiss a little ass:naughty:

adictd2b00st
08-02-2008, 11:19 AM
this actually screws the people who don't try to get out of contracts early (like myself) because its just going to be tacked onto other things like mentioned above..... plans/phones etc will just rise in price..... ugh

g6civcx
08-02-2008, 12:38 PM
I dont see how they're illegal if you sign a CONTRACT agreeing to them. Sure, they suck a shit ton, but they're not illegal, imho

Does someone have access to the written opinion so we can read the court's rationale?

I don't like reading reporters' perspective of legal proceedings.

blasting_speed
08-02-2008, 02:07 PM
if this happens hopefully they will work on their customer service, i HATE going to verizons store! employees don't give a shit if your phones' screwed. if theres no such thing as a contract they might have to play nice and kiss a little ass:naughty:

Oh fuck if what you say is true this is going to be freakin' awesome. I can't wait to walk in to Sprint PieceOfShit (PCS) and have them serve me a frozen latte. ahahahahahahahaha