350 sbc V8 powered S13

[s13 k3nrock]

this is a build up of my friend lee's s13.
he is puttin a small block chevy V8 350 motor into his s13
basically the project has just begun, KA has been pulled, wiring, lines everything, engine bay repainted, interior ripped out, sound deadener scraped and waiting on paint. fuel tank removed and everything is now waiting on gettin the motor into the car.
i got loads of pics so brace urselves for the exitement
right now we're at fittin the mock up so we know where to out mounts and how the motor will be when its in the car, also gettin the tranny to line up and fit through the tunnel and the shifter up and through the hole.
enjoy

pics up in a min.

[sxe]

waiting patiently.

[s13 k3nrock]

http://i19.photobucket.com/albums/b196/K-RicK/zilvia/k3nrock003.jpghttp://i19.photobucket.com/albums/b196/K-RicK/zilvia/k3nrock009.jpghttp://i19.photobucket.com/albums/b196/K-RicK/zilvia/k3nrock010.jpghttp://i19.photobucket.com/albums/b196/K-RicK/zilvia/SSPX0210.jpghttp://i19.photobucket.com/albums/b196/K-RicK/zilvia/SSPX0209.jpghttp://i19.photobucket.com/albums/b196/K-RicK/zilvia/SSPX0211.jpg
http://i19.photobucket.com/albums/b196/K-RicK/zilvia/k3nrock007.jpg
interior all gutted out
http://i19.photobucket.com/albums/b196/K-RicK/zilvia/SSPX0213.jpglol custom 2tone, u know u like it
http://i19.photobucket.com/albums/b196/K-RicK/zilvia/SSPX0215.jpgfirewall's been cut now drillin for the shifter
http://i19.photobucket.com/albums/b196/K-RicK/zilvia/SSPX0216.jpghttp://i19.photobucket.com/albums/b196/K-RicK/zilvia/SSPX0206.jpghttp://i19.photobucket.com/albums/b196/K-RicK/zilvia/SSPX0205.jpg
http://i19.photobucket.com/albums/b196/K-RicK/zilvia/SSPX0226.jpg
tranny didnt exactly fit right so we cut right down the middle of the tranny tunnel to spread it apart and give us more room to work with. will be welded back together later on
http://i19.photobucket.com/albums/b196/K-RicK/zilvia/SSPX0220.jpgperfect fit
http://i19.photobucket.com/albums/b196/K-RicK/zilvia/SSPX0221.jpg
http://i19.photobucket.com/albums/b196/K-RicK/zilvia/SSPX0227.jpghttp://i19.photobucket.com/albums/b196/K-RicK/zilvia/SSPX0225.jpgthats it for now. more updates some time this week and next

[s13 k3nrock]

heres some pics of the motor itself
http://i19.photobucket.com/albums/b196/K-RicK/zilvia/SSPX0204.jpghttp://i19.photobucket.com/albums/b196/K-RicK/zilvia/SSPX0203.jpghttp://i19.photobucket.com/albums/b196/K-RicK/zilvia/SSPX0202.jpg

[SR2Zero]

The motor is sick... Awesome project... Really feelin the purple.. haha.

[burnsauto]

guy in my town has a pretty built 350 s13.. not really my cup of tea...but maybe its just the way he treats the whole situation. (a big time chest beater.)

[TUnity2]

why an iron block?

[Andrew Bohan]

yeah why gen 1 instead of LS1 or something?

[jrocslider]

money


$$$$$$$$$$$$

[96Turbo]

iron block....me hungry for boooooost

use that cash u saved from not getting an LSx and get a big blower or somethin. that should make up for the weight difference

[Andrew Bohan]

might make up for the power to weight ratio, but not the weight balance

[GSXRJJordan]

might make up for the power to weight ratio, but not the weight balance

Troof. But yeah, Gen1 motors are cheapppppp. Cheapest way to 400hp, for sure.

Oh, since no one said it yet... Sportmax wheels?!? EWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWW.

[koroshiya87]

fucking sick shit

[Jonnyblaze]

nice.. i love sbc's.. so simple, an autistic 5 year old can build one

[reckless13]

not really my thing but I respect the work being put in for sure. any plans on strengthening up that chassis? i.e. weld in cage? Really feeling the purple block!

[bkg775]

I have an Sr20 but I know what your thinking I'm actually not thrashing you. I think it's sweet man 11 second car for like what 4000 bux total? Gotta love it man.

[WISH ONE]

Oh, since no one said it yet... Sportmax wheels?!? EWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWW.

Hater... pshhh what wheels do you have mr.????

[victorw210]

what cars do sbc 350s come in .could you get one at a junk yard. what type of fuel system does this use

[Andrew Bohan]

i think half of all cars ever made have gen 1 sbc's in em...

[Jonnyblaze]

what cars do sbc 350s come in .could you get one at a junk yard. what type of fuel system does this use
LOL.. if you even have to actually search through a junkyard then theres something wrong.. theres 3 of them sitting in my dads shed right now

[s13 @ fullboost]

Purple is kinda cool keep up the good work and i might even subscribe to this thread. =]

[gregfarz78]

I like the LSx as much as the next guy but you can't go wrong with a sbc either plus they are a lot cheaper than a LSx and have just as much aftermarket support.

Is he fabbing his own mounts?

[WangonwWarrior]

I got a shit ton of sbc parts from my Z28's. Holla if you need somthing and good luck with this build

[Pank]

haha, can you get me a damn t56 for under a grand? I know i'm going to blow this t5, maybe before or after i blow the diff or axles.

[WangonwWarrior]

haha, can you get me a damn t56 for under a grand? I know i'm going to blow this t5, maybe before or after i blow the diff or axles.


I got a t-5 thats in my z and its about to take a dump. T-56's get snatched up faster than a drunk teenage girl around here but ill let you know if i find one. BTW is that T-5 any good? maybe i just got a bad trans

[projectRDM]

what cars do sbc 350s come in .could you get one at a junk yard. what type of fuel system does this use

Holy fuck. I think even my 9yr old niece can answer that question. You must live in a vacuum somewhere under a rock.

[dynamicck]

i assume this car is gonna used mainly for drag?

what else is he adding? s/c? turbo? nitrous?
cast iron blocks are awesome for forced induction.

[TanaMU]

It seems somehow wrong to go to all that trouble and then just stick a gen 1 in there.. Especially considering how an LS1 with tranny, ecu, harness, etc. is only like $2500....

[Pank]

I got a t-5 thats in my z and its about to take a dump. T-56's get snatched up faster than a drunk teenage girl around here but ill let you know if i find one. BTW is that T-5 any good? maybe i just got a bad trans

We'll see, i need to fix the clutch. Its got (i think) a turbo II diff, so the axles or tranny are going to be the first to go.

What power are you pushing in your Z? i *SHOULD* be at 400/400 or so. I've heard people blowing them with mild sbc's so I dont think you got a bad one, they're just that weak.

(this is in an FC RX7, btw)

[corriganjoshua]

http://i302.photobucket.com/albums/nn83/corriganjoshua/shit.jpg
Little side project ive been working on.

[WangonwWarrior]

I think im pushing around 330hp, i ran a 9.5 in the 1/8mile with it.

[corriganjoshua]

I think im pushing around 330hp, i ran a 9.5 in the 1/8mile with it.
Little pokey dont ya think?

[WangonwWarrior]

It seems somehow wrong to go to all that trouble and then just stick a gen 1 in there.. Especially considering how an LS1 with tranny, ecu, harness, etc. is only like $2500....


A cast iron SBC is the way to go in my opinion. Parts are easy to find (all made in the U.S.) for example i got my 5 speed t5 trans for free with B&M shifter/hurst knob and all kinds of other free stuff. They are clean, simple, and easy to work on in my opinion. the guy is doing something different so i give him props for that:bow: , i never had the patience to try it myself

[WangonwWarrior]

Little pokey dont ya think?


It weighs as much as a damn truck, i ran that in this car btwhttp://img241.imageshack.us/img241/3408/img0024my5.jpg

[VQMaxFan]

I hope that isnt a zoom timing chain you are running on there, I've heard bad things about them. Should be a quick car esp if you are going to run a big stall and a trans brake. (edit i see you arn't running the normal th350 and whatnot)

I think im pushing around 330hp, i ran a 9.5 in the 1/8mile with it.

A bigger cam and more compression is where its at. A friend of mine runs 9.1-9.3's in a 5,000lb monte carlo with a mild 350 in it.

[WangonwWarrior]

I hope that isnt a zoom timing chain you are running on there, I've heard bad things about them. Should be a quick car esp if you are going to run a big stall and a trans brake. (edit i see you arn't running the normal th350 and whatnot)



A bigger cam and more compression is where its at. A friend of mine runs 9.1-9.3's in a 5,000lb monte carlo with a mild 350 in it.


Yes a cam would definantly help BUT this has been my reliable DD for the past few years and i have not touched the heads/cam. Its a GM performance crate engine and so far so good:yum:


ME WANT MORE PICS OF THIS BUILD

[VQMaxFan]

Yes a cam would definantly help BUT this has been my reliable DD for the past few years and i have not touched the heads/cam. Its a GM performance crate engine and so far so good:yum:

I hear ya, The monte is actually his daily, but ever since we put those 58cc combustion chamber heads and that big cam in there shit keeps breaking lol. Broke the flexplate last weekend at the track! But the car does run on pump gas even though its at like 11:1 comp, the cam offsets it.

[g6civcx]

the guy is doing something different so i give him props for that

Er, he's not that different :drool:

[luisgonz]

Hater... pshhh what wheels do you have mr.????

Yeah, I dont think he will post his spec's. But if I can remember from all that drug abuse brain of mine. They are Rota's.

[gsxr141]

that's cool stuff. i was just thinking about putting a small block chevy in my coupe. after i see what you have to go through, i may do it myself.
on another note...........why is everybody hating on the sportmax wheels? they 're cheap, fit perfectly, and look damn good on there. at least i think so.

[240_hawaii]

what are you doing for mounts?
great cheap idea i like it!

[s13 k3nrock]

lol yea the reason we're doin it is cuz of price. LSx is cool and all and was considered at one point but this was just way cheaper. got the motor for 100 bucks 100 bucks for a brand new voodoo cam like 300 for crank pistons, rings and all bearings
basically he's spent less than a grand so far in parts including tranny and rebuilding the motor
um yes we're fabbing mounts, their called moroso solid mounts with a 1/4 inch steel plate.
plans are not to drag but actually strictly DRIFT. the firewall has been cut and the motor has been pushed deep into it (opinions on how u feel this will effect slidin)
also after all is done and we're confident the motor will run and all that a full welded roll cage will be installed

heres some pics of the mounts and the progress from yesterday
we had to heat up the headers so to bend them enough so they clear the steering
http://i19.photobucket.com/albums/b196/K-RicK/zilvia/SSPX0235.jpg
http://i19.photobucket.com/albums/b196/K-RicK/zilvia/SSPX0237.jpg
http://i19.photobucket.com/albums/b196/K-RicK/zilvia/SSPX0238.jpg

http://i19.photobucket.com/albums/b196/K-RicK/zilvia/SSPX0239.jpg

[honeybadger]

Wow you guys did a great job with the engine bay... looks way cleaner than stock!

[phi_ho1]

is da a stick or auto?

[fbiphil]

The farther back you get that engine, the better it's going to feel! Can't wait to see it all put together- and especially HEAR it! Nice, lopey cam on a SBC under the hood of a S-chassis- THAT will set you apart from the crowd!!

[g6civcx]

the firewall has been cut and the motor has been pushed deep into it (opinions on how u feel this will effect slidin)

Look in the V8 FAQ in the Tech-Engine subforum.

I think I am the only one on this forum with a GenI csb shoved back that far. Everyone else makes their engine sits really far forward and up high.

[RUTH'LESSDET]

lol yea the reason we're doin it is cuz of price. LSx is cool and all and was considered at one point but this was just way cheaper. got the motor for 100 bucks 100 bucks for a brand new voodoo cam like 300 for crank pistons, rings and all bearings
basically he's spent less than a grand so far in parts including tranny and rebuilding the motor
um yes we're fabbing mounts, their called moroso solid mounts with a 1/4 inch steel plate.
plans are not to drag but actually strictly DRIFT. the firewall has been cut and the motor has been pushed deep into it (opinions on how u feel this will effect slidin)
also after all is done and we're confident the motor will run and all that a full welded roll cage will be installed

heres some pics of the mounts and the progress from yesterday
we had to heat up the headers so to bend them enough so they clear the steering
http://i19.photobucket.com/albums/b196/K-RicK/zilvia/SSPX0235.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v481/ruthlessdet/GTO%20SWAP/IMG_5978.jpg
the motor mounts remind of my mounts but I used sbc universal poly mounts
Nice build so far cant wait to see the finished product.

[s13 k3nrock]

thanks alot everyone
the tranny is a 5 speed from a 95 s10

[tracks13]

so awesome, looking forward to videos.

[KA-T_240]

We are in the process of doing finishing touches on my buddys 6.3L SBC that put down 557whp and 530tq through an auto in a FC. Sounds mean, can hear the rumble from like 2 miles away.


Someday, when/if my KA-T goes boom. I am going to sell it all and put a modded LSx in my car.

[g6civcx]

the tranny is a 5 speed from a 95 s10

Why don't you use a World Class T5 from a 3rd gen 305 Camaro? It has the stronger 2.95 first gear.

[SexPanda]

This thread is full of win. Any SBC s chassis is made of solid win as a matter of fact.

Nothing beats an S-Chassis as far as bang for your buck, and not many things sound better than a small block v8. Add those two together, and you get something that will make small children cry........ in a good way.

[s13 k3nrock]

Why don't you use a World Class T5 from a 3rd gen 305 Camaro? It has the stronger 2.95 first gear.
couldnt find one in my price range and gettin one woulda of prolonged the build way longer than we're willin to wait for this to get done
honestly we're just as anxious as everyone to finish this and actually drive it around
? tho, how do u think a tuner muffler would sound on this if we go 2 to 1 then muffler on the end instead of straight pipe

[gregfarz78]

shit $100 for the motor I wish I could find one that cheap I would probably look into this swap

[g6civcx]

couldnt find one in my price range and gettin one woulda of prolonged the build way longer than we're willin to wait for this to get done
honestly we're just as anxious as everyone to finish this and actually drive it around

It was difficult to get mine. A lot of junkyards don't know the difference between v6 and v8 camaro T5s.

I'm just not sure if the higher first gear T5s can take the torque.

? tho, how do u think a tuner muffler would sound on this if we go 2 to 1 then muffler on the end instead of straight pipe

On mine, I have block hugger headers, 3" downpipe into Y pipe. Then exhaust and cutout on one side. Cat and 2.5" custom exhaust with resonator and Magnaflow exhaust on the other side.

On exhaust it's not noticeable at all. There's is a slightly deeper tone due to the Magnaflow, but not much different from stock.

On cutout it's a madhouse :)

Most aftermarket exhaust will be somewhere in between.

[g6civcx]

shit $100 for the motor I wish I could find one that cheap I would probably look into this swap

Look in the V8 FAQ. The motor is not expensive. It's the fabrication and other parts needed to make the swap work that's expensive.

[KansaiDrifter]

hey nice build, if you want, do post it up on www.silviav8.com
you'll find helpful info there too. I did my ls1 setup there, I used the t56 also, but didn't have to recut any shifter hole.

[Flicktitty]

nice build can't wait to see more.

[Slammed Assassin]

hey nice build man..cant wait to see it finished..

[pr0tus]

thanks alot everyone
the tranny is a 5 speed from a 95 s10

NV3500?

Mine has been a pain in the ass. Watch the slave cylinder if you have the external one that hangs low as hell, mine was about ripped off, bellhousing and all. S10s have a bolt on skid plate that covers the slave cylinder, you might want to make one.

[g6civcx]

post it up on www.silviav8.com
you'll find helpful info there too.

That forum sucks ass. There are maybe 2-3 people there who have complete running cars, and even then their stuff isn't reliable enough to be daily.

Everyone else on there is just wishful thinking at best. Seems like nobody wants to put down money for fabrication and always trying to cut corner.

If you want help on your setup just PM me. I have your exact swap.

All you'll get there is putdowns because you don't have an LS-series.

[WangonwWarrior]

I got my tranny out of a friend 1985 camaro z28 305 and it still cant handle my mild 350:keke: It was cheap though... cheap as in free

[Oo_Skyline_oO]

Sick build man, can't wait for videos!!!

[96Turbo]

i don't know much about v8s....but how does the LSx compare to the SBC in terms of mounting points and size?

I'm wondering how hard it would be for this guy to upgrade to LSx in the future and not hafta refabricate mounts and such.

[TheRandyPanda]

what cars do sbc 350s come in .could you get one at a junk yard. what type of fuel system does this use
dude sbc 350's come in everything from trucks to cars to station wagons just look for and old gm product and youll most likely find a 350 under the hood ,and as for the fuel system they are all carbureted up until 86 or so then they got tbi ,and some where about 95-96 they started making the vortec 350's :jerkit:

[EDacIouSX]

looks like that car will handle very nicely with that small block pushed back. well at least fro pics, looks like its pushed a little bit back into the fire wal. i'd like to se how it handles when its done.] too bad i cant drive it :/

[Import_Prophetz]

I love how this car is done correctly, I wanna see updates in the future.

[gregfarz78]

i don't know much about v8s....but how does the LSx compare to the SBC in terms of mounting points and size?

I'm wondering how hard it would be for this guy to upgrade to LSx in the future and not hafta refabricate mounts and such.

LSx wouldnt be a drop in you'd have to fab mounts again

[thejapino]

what cars do sbc 350s come in .could you get one at a junk yard. what type of fuel system does this use

You can take a rock and throw it into any junkyard and I'm pretty sure it'll land on a car with a sbc 350.

[Pank]

what cars do sbc 350s come in .could you get one at a junk yard. what type of fuel system does this use

this is still the most killer post in this thread.

just to help, SBC= Small Block Chevy, 350 = 350 cubic inch. 5.7 liters.
Small blocks came in trucks, vans, camaros, vettes, caprices, novas, caddies, everything

(p.s. LSx's are technically SBC's. )

Gen 1 small blocks were made from 1955-2003.
During its run, over 90,000,000 small blocks were built

[GSXRJJordan]

i don't know much about v8s....but how does the LSx compare to the SBC in terms of mounting points and size?

I'm wondering how hard it would be for this guy to upgrade to LSx in the future and not hafta refabricate mounts and such.

Mounts are different, however there are SBC-mount kits for LSx motors that would let him re-use his mounts.

LSx wouldnt be a drop in you'd have to fab mounts again

Not exactly, see above.

just to help, SBC= Small Block Chevy, 350 = 350 cubic inch. 5.7 liters.
Small blocks came in trucks, vans, camaros, vettes, caprices, novas, caddies, everything

(p.s. LSx's are technically SBC's. )

Gen 1 small blocks were made from 1955-2003.
During its run, over 90,000,000 small blocks were built

SBC = small block chevy, yes, but this just means everything smaller than a "big block", aka "mouse motors" vs "rat motors". Not being limited to 350ci. Includes the 327 (seen as the "perfect" bore/stroke ratio, also found in the 383), 350, 383, 396, 402, 418, etc.

[WangonwWarrior]

The goodmark camaro has a 454 SMALL BLOCK! i know :gives:but you can do anything with a smallblock nowadays.

Momma said 2 heads is better than one, thats why i run a V8... this should be in your sig lol:duh:

[Dustxking]

Looking good man, keep it up. MoAR pictures.

[blu808]

Good build but seriously. A sbc. that would be like letting al lagura compete in a understeering competition.

[s13 k3nrock]

Good build but seriously. A sbc. that would be like letting al lagura compete in a understeering competition.

yea, wtf is a lagura

[sldbyuramg]

383 FTW. my first vehicle was a 73 chevy truck with a 383. it was a beast

[Pank]

383 FTW. my first vehicle was a 73 chevy truck with a 383. it was a beast


SBC = small block chevy, yes, but this just means everything smaller than a "big block", aka "mouse motors" vs "rat motors". Not being limited to 350ci. Includes the 327 (seen as the "perfect" bore/stroke ratio, also found in the 383), 350, 383, 396, 402, 418, etc.

I wasn't saying it was limited to the 350

Also, the 383 IS the same block as the 350, since its a 350 block with a 400 crank. Not something GM ever made, although chrysler did

[KansaiDrifter]

****Not to thread jack, but sorry.....

That forum sucks ass. There are maybe 2-3 people there who have complete running cars, and even then their stuff isn't reliable enough to be daily.

Everyone else on there is just wishful thinking at best. Seems like nobody wants to put down money for fabrication and always trying to cut corner.

If you want help on your setup just PM me. I have your exact swap.

All you'll get there is putdowns because you don't have an LS-series.

Oh, no I just figured that others might like to see it there too, if you actually do research, you'll find a few on there are done up nicely. Mine's on there too.

haha trust me, I don't need you help, just offering mine....


http://i63.photobucket.com/albums/h153/rh4motorsports/Vivid%20Drifter/2665923051_1edf5de819_b.jpg
http://i63.photobucket.com/albums/h153/rh4motorsports/Vivid%20Drifter/l_7754c2e0a319a9b9654b66817169ec61.jpg

[codyace]

Troof. But yeah, Gen1 motors are cheapppppp. Cheapest way to 400hp, for sure.

Cheapest way to 400 hp? That's a toss up. If you're going N/A, that LS1 may actually be cheaper, depending on what all you do. I guess I'm looking at one car making 400 whp and being driveable, nice, and mild (the LS1) and the other being peaky, finnicky, and strung.

Now if you're going straight nitrous, obviously the SBC will make 400whp cheaper haha.

We'll see, i need to fix the clutch. Its got (i think) a turbo II diff, so the axles or tranny are going to be the first to go.

I've got a friend with a mild LT1 in an FC, and he's yet to break the Turbo II diff.

What power are you pushing in your Z? i *SHOULD* be at 400/400 or so. I've heard people blowing them with mild sbc's so I dont think you got a bad one, they're just that weak.

T5's from either Ford applications or GM, all fuckin suck if you're beating on them.

Luckily for you, there are plenty of nice upgrades (TKO TKO TKO haha)


You can take a rock and throw it into any junkyard and I'm pretty sure it'll land on a car with a sbc 350.

LOL




Awesome build. I love v8 power....my next engine (if the SR breaks) will be LSx powered.

[sldbyuramg]

I wasn't saying it was limited to the 350

Also, the 383 IS the same block as the 350, since its a 350 block with a 400 crank. Not something GM ever made, although chrysler did

thanks...umm for the info... i know that GM never made a 383...thats why its called a 383 stroker. i knew that because i helped build it

[WangonwWarrior]

Thanks to the fanboy who negetive repped me cause i ran a 9.4 in the 1/8th. I did not build my car for drag racing i built it for road course and burning as much fucking gas as possible, so fuck your couch



and the bukkake thing LOLZ

[b18civicdrift]

does anyone know were i can buy a light up shift knob at?

[Pank]

thanks...umm for the info... i know that GM never made a 383...thats why its called a 383 stroker. i knew that because i helped build it

wow i am totally super happy for you. That info wasn't aimed at you, but thanks for flexing v8 knowledge nuts i guess?

[sldbyuramg]

actually i was assuming you were flexing them at me...no worries took your post wrong. but whatever.

[Pank]

naw, its all good. I wonder how long this 2 bolt block will last. I want to build a high comp 4 bolt drag-type engine after. all day at 7k, whooooo

[codyace]

naw, its all good. I wonder how long this 2 bolt block will last. I want to build a high comp 4 bolt drag-type engine after. all day at 7k, whooooo

If it was a Ford 2 bolt, you'd make all kinda nice power ;)

Just bustin your balls a little of course ;) Ever hang out at LS1tech in the hybrid area? Tons of v8 s chassis there....I love seeing these cars get more popular in the v8 world :D

[Pank]

If you live in the south, you're used to seeing cars with gen1 sbc's in them all day, then LT1's, then LSx's being the most rare. cheap(er) gas and the huge supply of them in mulletmobiles makes it easy.

they get SHIT mpg for the same hp that an LS1 gets.

eh well.

[blu808]

I want a ls1 powered ewwiwop.

That would be awesome.

[codyace]

I want a ls1 powered ewwiwop.

That would be awesome.

LS1 in everything >

[sldbyuramg]

LS1 is much better and a must in SD, if your gonna go V8. it is alot closer to being legal than an SB 350 and gas prices are STUPID!

[s13 k3nrock]

does anyone know were i can buy a light up shift knob at?

autozone =]

[Pank]

LS1 is much better and a must in SD, if your gonna go V8. it is alot closer to being legal than an SB 350 and gas prices are STUPID!

LS1 is also more expensive, parts are more expensive, harder to wire up, less plentiful.

Plus, there are 49 other states, swaps arent super illegal in NC

[codyace]

LS1 is much better and a must in SD, if your gonna go V8. it is alot closer to being legal than an SB 350 and gas prices are STUPID!

You realize with the proper gearing a v8 gets equal MPG if not better than some SR's get right?

Little ass car, torquey ass motor, and if using a T56, a .5 double OD? Say hellow to 25 to 30mpg cruising.

[finalimport]

Nice, whats done to the 350?

[blu808]

My 600 hp Turbo charged ls1 FC3s gets 29 mpg on the freeway :-)

[axiomatik]

Troof. But yeah, Gen1 motors are cheapppppp. Cheapest way to 400hp, for sure.

Oh, since no one said it yet... Sportmax wheels?!? EWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWW.

says the guy with rotas.......

[g6civcx]

Oh, no I just figured that others might like to see it there too, if you actually do research, you'll find a few on there are done up nicely. Mine's on there too.

haha trust me, I don't need you help, just offering mine....

Your car would be the exception rather than the rule. You're one of the few who have running swaps. There are a couple of people I would take advice from. The rest of them is like the blind leading the blind. Do you agree?

Is yours daily driveable btw?

As for help, I was talking to the OP and his friend. I would not go to that forum asking for help because no one has his exact setup on there. All you'll get are putdowns because they like LS-series more than carb.



I don't care about power. I want 400 ft-lbs of torque at the wheels. What's cheaper?

[codyace]

I don't care about power. I want 400 ft-lbs of torque at the wheels. What's cheaper?

Nothing. American muscle takes that crown forever.

[g6civcx]

Nothing. American muscle takes that crown forever.

I mean between GenI and LS-series. What's cheaper to get 400 ft-lbs?

[g6civcx]

My 600 hp Turbo charged ls1 FC3s gets 29 mpg on the freeway :-)

I have .63 5th and 3.133 rear end. Nowhere close to 29 mpg though :( Damn carb :)

[codyace]

I mean between GenI and LS-series. What's cheaper to get 400 ft-lbs?

Yea know, it's hard to say...all things considreed of course. I bet both would be surprizingly close in costs in the grand scheme of things, assuming neither team started with a good, free bottom end or engine.

[g6civcx]

Yea know, it's hard to say...all things considreed of course. I bet both would be surprizingly close in costs in the grand scheme of things, assuming neither team started with a good, free bottom end or engine.

Engine alone, I spent $2,200 for a new crate motor from Jegs and I'm getting 325 at the wheels.

I don't think you can even buy a used LS for that much, can you?

[Pank]

yeah, you can.

[g6civcx]

yeah, you can.

How much can you buy a longblock for?

[Pank]

that varies wildly, but you can buy totaled TA's or Camaros with LS1's for 2k-2.5k, pull the engine and part out the interior/rear etc, and basically have like a 200 dollar ls1.

[g6civcx]

that varies wildly, but you can buy totaled TA's or Camaros with LS1's for 2k-2.5k, pull the engine and part out the interior/rear etc, and basically have like a 200 dollar ls1.

That's a lot of work and assuming the parts are good and you get good prices.

[codyace]

Engine alone, I spent $2,200 for a new crate motor from Jegs and I'm getting 325 at the wheels.

I don't think you can even buy a used LS for that much, can you?

325 whp or 325 to the crank? I hate how thoes crate engines rate their power....so tricky!

But yes, you can find LS1's real cheap sometimes. I've seen some on ebay get scooped up for 1500 bucks in odd locations in the Northeast.

So for the same price, you're making the same poewr give or take dyno and driveline.


that varies wildly, but you can buy totaled TA's or Camaros with LS1's for 2k-2.5k, pull the engine and part out the interior/rear etc, and basically have like a 200 dollar ls1.

That seems to be the popular way too, but you certainly need the time room and motivation to pull it off.


That's a lot of work and assuming the parts are good and you get good prices.

True, but no more work than getting a backyard 350, taking it to the machine shop, etc etc (if you go that route).



Either way you go, you're geting kick ass power...I just think I'd personally prefer LS1 power if it was my car. That's not to say a 350 couldn't get it done, I just like the nice-ness of the EFI (and their awesome ECU's and tuners) as well as their ease of maintanence (spin the cam backwards, slap th cam in kinda stuff lol)

-CA

[Pank]

That's a lot of work and assuming the parts are good and you get good prices.

yeah true, but thats seats, suspension stuff from whatever side wasnt hit, 2 wheels from whatever side, doors, door panel, carpet, steering wheels, stereos, hvac stuff, dash if it isnt messed up, seatbelts, interior plastic panels, spoilers, bumpers, lights etc.

The good part about the cars being fairly common, is theres usually a buyer for what you have.

I was kicking around the idea of buying a z28 or an SS camaro a while back, and theres always someone wanting some interior part on their forums.

If you have the time and space, its def the way to go

[s13 k3nrock]

hey sorry for the slow updates but we've been havin problems finding headers
that will clear the steering and not sit lower than the stub frame.
what kinda headers would u guys suggest using or what kinda car can i get headers off of that would fit the motor and clear the steering

[VQMaxFan]

A set of hooker shorty headers for a 3rd gen camaro might fit in there. Not sure on that though but i remember the 3rd gen camaro i had didn't have much room for headers.

Also what about just a nice set of manifolds? Not the gay ram horn style ones either. They are some decent factory manifold designs out there that didnt have smog crap on them. Like these eBay Motors: 1975 75 Chevy Monte Carlo 350ci 5.7L Exhaust Manifold R (item 310066417578 end time Aug-10-08 14:36:16 PDT) (http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/1975-75-Chevy-Monte-Carlo-350ci-5-7L-Exhaust-Manifold-R_W0QQcmdZViewItemQQ_trksidZp3286Q2em20Q2el1116QQi temZ310066417578)

[g6civcx]

what kinda headers would u guys suggest using or what kinda car can i get headers off of that would fit the motor and clear the steering

I have block hugger headers. They clear the steering with plenty of room.

You can try Hedman or Hooker.

[g6civcx]

325 whp or 325 to the crank? I hate how thoes crate engines rate their power....so tricky!

325 ft-lbs at the wheel. HP is really meaningless.

[codyace]

325 ft-lbs at the wheel. HP is really meaningless.

Not disagreeing, just simply stating that those crate engines typically have some 'high' claims ya know. I always got a kick outof the muscle guys at our dyno days that claim 400 hp and then walk out with 285 whp hehe.

[SHIFT_*grind*]

SBC = small block chevy, yes, but this just means everything smaller than a "big block", aka "mouse motors" vs "rat motors". Not being limited to 350ci. Includes the 327 (seen as the "perfect" bore/stroke ratio, also found in the 383), 350, 383, 396, 402, 418, etc.

I thought the 396 was a big block?

Also would include the 283 and 302 (327 w/ 283 crank).

Although if you managed to find a factory GM 302 in a junkyard, you should probably run out and buy a lottery ticket before your streak runs out.

[Pank]

325 ft-lbs at the wheel. HP is really meaningless.

Then why aren't you driving a diesel around?

[g6civcx]

Then why aren't you driving a diesel around?

Not as much aftermarket support. You can "tune" any motor to deliver any torque curve. The question is how much money and reliability it will cost.

[SexPanda]

Not as much aftermarket support.

WHAT?! I dont think thats true...

And also, with the LS1 talk, its alot easier/cheaper to find the 6.0 truck engine, and just slap on the LS1 intake, accessories, etc. Half the cost, only 90 lbs heavier, and more displacement lol.

Displacement ftw.

[Pank]

Not as much aftermarket support. You can "tune" any motor to deliver any torque curve. The question is how much money and reliability it will cost.

if all you care about is torque, then why aren't you driving a stock diesel with a 4k redline and 500 ft/lb's? OEM = reliable

[g6civcx]

WHAT?! I dont think thats true...


There is no engine that has more aftermarket support in the US than a chevy v8.

The problem I'm having with my engine is that there are actually too many vendors. I don't know which one to choose.

Can the same be said about diesel?

[SexPanda]

ok i see what your saying now bra... Go with what you know, do some research, et cetera. Alot of people make stuff for the sr20, and even though its all the same product, quality differs. You just gotta do your homework.

[g6civcx]

if all you care about is torque

The premise of your statement is not true. Therefore, the remainder of your statement cannot be true.

I said I value torque more than HP. I did not say that I value torque and nothing else.

Please explain how diesel vs. gas is relevant to what I said.

[g6civcx]

ok i see what your saying now bra... Go with what you know, do some research, et cetera. Alot of people make stuff for the sr20, and even though its all the same product, quality differs. You just gotta do your homework.

If I lived in Japan, then I would probably pick an SR or a B block, but the US is different. They like their American muscle.

[Pank]

I mean between GenI and LS-series. What's cheaper to get 400 ft-lbs?

325 ft-lbs at the wheel. HP is really meaningless.


If HP is meaningless, LIKE YOU SAID, you'd be driving a diesel.


I'm just tired of people acting like torque is the only thing that matters (The Anti-HP race people) then get pissy when their car runs out of breath at 5k

[SexPanda]

No thats now what I was saying. It was an analogy. Go with the v8, I'm all for american muscle.

[g6civcx]

If HP is meaningless, LIKE YOU SAID, you'd be driving a diesel.

This conclusion is fallacious for the following reasons:

1) You did not respond to my inquiry above. I said "I value A more than B". How does what I said amount to "I value A > *"?

2) I've already responded by saying that a gas engine, and Chevy V8 in particular, has more aftemarket support (i.e. service, parts, "tuners", racing series, etc.) than any diesel. If you dispute my assertion, please say why.

3) For reasons above, I choose gas over diesel. How can "I value torque more than HP" be reasonably concluded that I would be driving a diesel? Please explain your reasoning.

I'm just tired of people acting like torque is the only thing that matters (The Anti-HP race people) then get pissy when their car runs out of breath at 5k

I am not one of those people, i.e. I don't care how high the engine revs. Therefore, I do not tire you, at least not for getting pissy when my car runs out of breath at 5k.

Reasonable enough?

[g6civcx]

No thats now what I was saying. It was an analogy. Go with the v8, I'm all for american muscle.

As you know, when in Rome...


Please direct this thread back to the vehicle. If you don't like the engine, please don't post.

I'm sorry for my part in bringing the thread off topic.

[Pank]

This conclusion is fallacious for the following reasons:

1) You did not respond to my inquiry above. I said "I value A more than B". How does what I said amount to "I value A > *"?
You said that HP was "meaningless"

2) I've already responded by saying that a gas engine, and Chevy V8 in particular, has more aftemarket support (i.e. service, parts, "tuners", racing series, etc.) than any diesel. If you dispute my assertion, please say why.

If you actually think that diesel service parts are hard to find, I don't know what to tell you.

3) For reasons above, I choose gas over diesel. How can "I value torque more than HP" be reasonably concluded that I would be driving a diesel? Please explain your reasoning.
Again, you didnt say you valued it more, you said HP was "meaningless"
A stock diesel is going to make way more tq than a slightly modded carbed gas engine. If HP was meaningless, you'd be driving a High TQ low HP diesel around.



I am not one of those people, i.e. I don't care how high the engine revs. Therefore, I do not tire you, at least not for getting pissy when my car runs out of breath at 5k.

Reasonable enough?

I'm not attacking you, I have a carbed v8 too, but i'm not kidding myself saying that HP doesn't matter

[g6civcx]

You said that HP was "meaningless"

If you actually think that diesel service parts are hard to find, I don't know what to tell you.

Again, you didnt say you valued it more, you said HP was "meaningless"
A stock diesel is going to make way more tq than a slightly modded carbed gas engine. If HP was meaningless, you'd be driving a High TQ low HP diesel around.




I'm not attacking you, I have a carbed v8 too, but i'm not kidding myself saying that HP doesn't matter

If you want to discuss please create another thread. Otherwise take it to PM.

[Pank]

So you ask me to explain my comments, then whine about creating another thread?

I'd say this is pretty germane to a Carbed V8 thread, since we're talking about carbed v8's vs. another engine.

[g6civcx]

As a courtesy to the OP, I do not want to take the thread off topic. We were just playing around but it seems like you have a pet peeve.

If you want to eradicate ignorance, then more power to you. Get a PhD and teach.

Just explain one thing to me: how do you generate a power curve for a car engine? What is power and how do you measure it? How do you convert flywheel power to calculate rear wheel thrust?

[Pank]

I don't have a pet peeve, and I don't really care if other people are ignorant. Since you're so worried about the OP's thread getting off track, don't you think trying to trap me with physics problems is a little hypocritical?

Also, everyone knows the answers to those questions. Chillax

[youngmoney]

what happened to this build? should i delete the bookmark?

[bloodangels13]

more build less dick measuring contest.. if you guys wanna rabbel on about gen1 vs Ls_ efi then start a new thread

[PoorMans180SX]

This thread is 2 years old.

Your comments are extremely relevant.

[picsbypenny]

did this ever get finished

[kushlivin]

x2 did u finish the project??

[ixfxi]

http://i19.photobucket.com/albums/b196/K-RicK/zilvia/SSPX0226.jpg

did this ever get finished

x2 did u finish the project??

gentlemen

take a long hard look at the above photo. does it bring up any memories? it should... because it should remind you of SLAVERY. This thread goes back to 1812 for chrissake

does this guy LOOK like he has the skills to actually make something work? would you pay this backwoods tuner/self-claimed engineer to build you a car?

i know one thing for sure, i wouldnt. :)

[2slow4oz.]

hahahahaha:werd:

[GSXRJJordan]

gentlemen

take a long hard look at the above photo. does it bring up any memories? it should... because it should remind you of SLAVERY. This thread goes back to 1812 for chrissake

does this guy LOOK like he has the skills to actually make something work? would you pay this backwoods tuner/self-claimed engineer to build you a car?

i know one thing for sure, i wouldnt. :)

Hahahahaha, that shit is hilarious Mike. I'm very curious what happened to this car, if only because of the LSX vs SBC debate going on (from 3 years ago).

What's funny is that now, in 2011, GenIII LS motors are seen as 'old'/'not worth starting with'/etc because the GenIV stuff is so awesome. It's actually easier/better/same price for me to buy a new LS3 shortblock with built internals than to build my LS1/LS6 block (if I go that route).