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Tomkun-s13
07-16-2008, 08:07 PM
I'm posting this so Ihope it helps in some questions that people seem to ask alot. When you get to engine changes It says nothing about you can't put a FWD motor in a RWD car. I also called the State Ref and asked and was told there is no problem as long as it has everything for emissions. So no more mis-info like what I read earlier in another post.

The following list will help you determine if a part for your vehicle is a replacement part and legal for use on pollution. Check the manufacturer's catalogue to verify vehicle application and look for disclaimers, such as "Not legal for street use in California." Air Cleaner Most emission controlled vehicles will have an air cleaner that is a closed element type or thermostatically controlled. A replacement air cleaner must meet the same specifications as the original and connect to any emissions equipment that was attached to the original equipment air cleaner. Any replacement air cleaner elements may be used as long as they meet original factory specifications. Any air cleaner that does not meet the original factory specifications requires an Executive Order to be legal for street use. Cams The manufacturer of replacement cams determines which of their parts are considered replacements for original equipment. These replacement cams are then listed by vehicle year, make, model and engine size in the manufacturer's catalogue. A replacement cam must have exactly the same specifications (grind) as the original part. Cams that have different specifications than the original part require an Executive Order to be legal for street use. Carburetors The manufacturer of replacement carburetors determines which of their models are considered replacements for original equipment. These replacement carburetors are then listed by vehicle year, make, model and engine size in the manufacturer's catalogue. Carburetors not listed as replacement parts by their manufacturer must have an Executive Order to be legal for street use. Catalytic Converters A legal aftermarket catalyst is one that is listed in an ARB approved manufacturers catalogue for the year, make, model, and engine size of vehicle on which it is being installed. Manufacturers of aftermarket catalytic converters must obtain an Executive Order for their products from the Air Resources Board in order to be listed in an approved catalogue. Coils and Ignition Wires Any type of coil or ignition wires may be used as long as they meet original manufacturer specifications. Computer Chips Replacement computer chips must be an original equipment manufacturer part. Aftermarket computer chips must have an Executive Order to be legal for street use. Electronic Ignitions The manufacturer of replacement electronic ignitions determines which of their models are considered replacements for original equipment. These replacement electronic ignitions are then listed by vehicle year, make, model and engine size in the manufacturer's catalogue. Electronic ignitions or electronic point replacement units for vehicles not originally equipped with these items require an Executive Order to be legal for street use. Swapping electronic ignitions from different years, engines, or makes is illegal. Distributors The manufacturer of a replacement distributor determines which of their models are considered replacements for original equipment. These replacement distributors are then listed by vehicle year, make, model and engine size in the manufacturer's catalogue. Swapping distributors from different years, engines or makes is illegal. Aftermarket distributors that are not listed as replacements for the original part require an Executive Order number to be legal for street use. Fuel Injection The manufacturer of replacement fuel injection systems determines which of their systems are considered replacements for original equipment. These replacement fuel injection systems are then listed by vehicle year, make, model and engine size in the manufacturer's catalogue. Fuel injection systems not listed as replacement parts require an Executive Order to be legal. Modifications that change a vehicle from fuel injection to carburetion or from carburetion to fuel injection also require an Executive Order to be legal. Fuel Tanks Replacement fuel tanks must be identical to the original part. Add-on fuel tanks, or tanks with greater capacity than the original tank are legal for street use only if they have been issued an Executive Order. Heads Replacement heads must be identical to the original part. Head swaps from different years, engines or makes are illegal. Aftermarket heads or valve train components that are not made to the same specifications as the original parts require an Executive Order to be legal for street use. Headers Non-Catalytic Converter Equipped Vehicles

Headers for non-catalyst equipped vehicles are considered legal replacement parts as long the replacement header allows for the installation of all smog control equipment originally attached to the stock exhaust manifold. Depending on the vehicle, some of the equipment that would normally be attached to the exhaust manifold includes:

Air Injectors
Heat Shields for the Thermostatic Air Cleaner
Heat Risers
EGR System Hookups
Fuel Evaporation Systems Catalytic Converter Equipped Vehicles

Headers for use on catalytic converter equipped vehicles require an Executive Order to be legal for street use.
Intake Manifolds The manufacturer of replacement manifolds determines which of their models are considered replacements for original equipment. These replacement manifolds are then listed by vehicle year, make, model and engine size in the manufacturer's catalogue. Replacement manifolds may be made of a different material than the original part, for example polished aluminium instead of cast iron, but the design of the casting must be the same. Any manifold not listed as replacement part by its manufacturer must have an Executive Order to be legal for street use. Carburetor adapter plates are not legal unless they are an integral part of a replacement manifold. Other Internal Engine Parts Replacement internal engine parts, such as pistons, rods, or the crank, must be designed to factory specifications. Oversize parts can be used as long as they are within factory tolerances for replacement engine parts. Any part not built within factory specifications requires an Executive Order to be legal for street use. Transmission or Transaxle Transmissions and transaxles changes alone are not legal. Transmissions and transaxles can only be changed along with their matching engine. The total engine transmission package must conform to the engine change requirements above. Replacement Engines Entire engines can be replacement parts. As with any other replacement part, the engine must be identical to the original. If the replacement block or engine is obtained without emissions equipment, all the equipment from the original engine must be installed on the replacement block. If the engine is not identical to the original then it is not a replacement part, instead it is considered an engine change. Engine changes are a modification that must meet certain requirements to be legal (please see "Engine Changes"). Japanese Replacement Engines Used engines imported from Japan can be used as replacement engines as long as the engine being used has been identified as functionally identical to the original engine. Please refer to the engine importers catalogue to determine if a replacement engine is legal for installation in your vehicle. Engine Changes Engine changes are legal as long as the following requirements are met to ensure that the change does not increase pollution from the vehicle:
The engine must be the same year or newer than the vehicle.
The engine must be from the same type of vehicle (passenger car, light-duty truck, heavy-duty truck, etc.) based on gross vehicle weight.
If the vehicle is a California certified vehicle then the engine must also be a California certified engine.
All emissions control equipment must remain on the installed engine. After an engine change, vehicles must first be inspected by a state referee station. The vehicle will be inspected to ensure that all the equipment required is in place, and vehicle will be emissions tested subject to the specifications of the installed engine. Exemptions for Uncontrolled Vehicles Vehicles that were manufactured before emission control regulations took effect are called uncontrolled vehicles. Aftermarket parts regulations and anti-tampering laws do not apply to these vehicles. Uncontrolled vehicles may have any aftermarket add-on or modified part installed as long as the vehicle can still meet the tailpipe emission standards for the year of the vehicle. Uncontrolled vehicles must retain any original or retrofit crankcase control (PCV) devices and NOx device required for the year of the vehicle. The following vehicles are considered uncontrolled vehicles:
1965 and Older : U.S. Manufactured California Certified Vehicles
1967 and Older: U.S. Manufactured Federally Certified Vehicles
1967 and Older: Foreign Manufactured Vehicles

Rayne
07-17-2008, 04:36 AM
So that you are no longer ignorant to this fact.

The "Laws" you posted are actually statutes. Statutes and "Laws" are not the same, nor do they apply to everyone. They only apply to those who voluntarily subject themselves to them through registration, application, and/or contract.


For those who are and have subjected themselves to the statutes of the California Air Resource Board the information posted is helpful.

derek_s13
07-17-2008, 04:40 AM
^^
well said sir.

Tomkun-s13
07-17-2008, 04:21 PM
A statute is a formal written enactment of a legislative (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Legislative) authority that governs a country (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Country), state (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/State), city (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/City), or county (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/County). [1] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Statutes#cite_note-Blacks-0) Typically, statutes command or prohibit something, or declare policy.[1] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Statutes#cite_note-Blacks-0) The word is often used to distinguish law (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Law) made by legislative (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Legislature) bodies from the judicial decisions (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Legal_opinions) of the common law (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Common_law) and the regulations (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Regulations) issued by Government agencies (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Government_agencies).[1] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Statutes#cite_note-Blacks-0) Statutes are sometimes referred to as legislation (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Legislation) or "black letter law (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_letter_law)". As a source of law (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Law), statutes are considered primary authority (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Primary_authority) (as opposed to secondary authority (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Secondary_authority)).
Before a statute becomes law (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Law) in some countries, it must be agreed upon by the highest executive (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Executive_branch) in the government (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Government), and finally published as part of a code (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Code_%28law%29). In many countries, statutes are organized in topical arrangements (or "codified" (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Codification)) within publications called codes (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Code_%28law%29), such as the United States Code (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_Code). In the United States, statutory law (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Statutory_law) is distinguished from and subordinate to constitutional law (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Constitutional_law).



Looks to be the law for "California" for vehicles registered for use on public roads.


I'm not ignorant I posted this to help those in California no where else.

If you have nothing to add to this post then go somewhere else to post whore.

Anto
07-17-2008, 04:30 PM
So that you are no longer ignorant to this fact.






I'm not ignorant I posted this to help those in California no where else.

If you have nothing to add to this post then go somewhere else to post whore.


Fucking calm down tomkun, he was not calling you ignorant as an insult, he was saying you were unaware of the fact.

jesus christ, people looking for fights

drift freaq
07-17-2008, 04:39 PM
I'm posting this so Ihope it helps in some questions that people seem to ask alot. When you get to engine changes It says nothing about you can't put a FWD motor in a RWD car. I also called the State Ref and asked and was told there is no problem as long as it has everything for emissions. So no more mis-info like what I read earlier in another post.



Ah you misread one of my posts. I also have talked to Refs about this. I stated you cannot put a FWD SR20DE in a RWD car here. Why? The engine was never offered in a RWD configuration in the U.S.
Now you can put a Maxima VQ35DE in a RWD chassis because the engine series was offered in a RWD car here. Now the only reason for doing that would be if you could get the Maxima motor cheaper because by the time you spend money on parts to convert it to a RWD configuration it would cost as much as just being a RWD VQ35DE to start.

Just did not want you to get some kids hopes up he was going to stick a FWD SR20DE in his S chassis and get it reffe'd . Not going to happen and I have done my Homework in this area.

Your covering covered ground with your post here and in fact it should be in regional not chat because most of this stuff is California specific.

!Zar!
07-17-2008, 06:14 PM
I can't believe anything from someone who's whole city is bankrupt.

drift freaq
07-17-2008, 06:16 PM
I can't believe anything from someone who's whole city is bankrupt.

LOL Mel, hahahhahhahhahahhaha. Hating on the Contra Costa county boys.

Tomkun-s13
07-17-2008, 08:48 PM
You are right about this should be in regional. But I'm sorry to disagree with you about the FWD, and RWD swapping. It has nothing to do with what wheels are being turned by the engine but the class of vehicle it was pulled from. Light duty passenger car is the class not FWD, or RWD. The manager At the ref station said this to me when I asked this just over a year ago.

We can all agree to disagree that's whats great about America. Hey Mel, I wasn't even here when all that mess was going down with this city, lol. The city government was corrupt from what I've been reading up on. So judge people as individuals not as a whole. :)

Anto, I am calm this is a forum and costs me nothing to be a part of. And I'm using my BP machine annd I'm at 121 over 68, thats pretty good.

drift freaq
07-17-2008, 09:06 PM
You are right about this should be in regional. But I'm sorry to disagree with you about the FWD, and RWD swapping. It has nothing to do with what wheels are being turned by the engine but the class of vehicle it was pulled from. Light duty passenger car is the class not FWD, or RWD. The manager At the ref station said this to me when I asked this just over a year ago.

We can all agree to disagree that's whats great about America. Hey Mel, I wasn't even here when all that mess was going down with this city, lol. The city government was corrupt from what I've been reading up on. So judge people as individuals not as a whole. :)

Anto, I am calm this is a forum and costs me nothing to be a part of. And I'm using my BP machine annd I'm at 121 over 68, thats pretty good.

Dude reading comprehension fails you. The point I was making about the SR was it was never offered in a RWD configuration in the U.S. Therefor swapping a FWD SR that came in a SER or G20 is not legal. This is a fact. Not only was it reiterated to me by a state ref but someone on this forum who used to work with a CARB certification lab and tried to get the RWD SR, legal confirmed it as well.
I even stated the fact that if the engine had been sold in a RWD configuration here it would be a legal swap. With the whole VQ35 analogy.
If you want to go swap a FWD SR into a S chassis and take it to a ref be my guest. He will tell you its not legal and send you home.

The Class of vehicle part is a whole other thing unrelated it what I stated above.
Trust me on this I don't try to post unless its a fact I have learned through my own research. I don't know who you are, but I have been around quite awhile and working on and building 240's for the last ten years.

Rayne
07-17-2008, 09:21 PM
A statute is a formal written enactment of a legislative (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Legislative) authority that governs a country (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Country), state (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/State), city (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/City), or county (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/County). [1] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Statutes#cite_note-Blacks-0) Typically, statutes command or prohibit something, or declare policy.[1] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Statutes#cite_note-Blacks-0) The word is often used to distinguish law (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Law) made by legislative (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Legislature) bodies from the judicial decisions (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Legal_opinions) of the common law (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Common_law) and the regulations (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Regulations) issued by Government agencies (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Government_agencies).[1] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Statutes#cite_note-Blacks-0) Statutes are sometimes referred to as legislation (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Legislation) or "black letter law (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_letter_law)". As a source of law (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Law), statutes are considered primary authority (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Primary_authority) (as opposed to secondary authority (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Secondary_authority)).
Before a statute becomes law (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Law) in some countries, it must be agreed upon by the highest executive (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Executive_branch) in the government (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Government), and finally published as part of a code (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Code_%28law%29). In many countries, statutes are organized in topical arrangements (or "codified" (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Codification)) within publications called codes (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Code_%28law%29), such as the United States Code (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_Code). In the United States, statutory law (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Statutory_law) is distinguished from and subordinate to constitutional law (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Constitutional_law).



Looks to be the law for "California" for vehicles registered for use on public roads.


I'm not ignorant I posted this to help those in California no where else.

If you have nothing to add to this post then go somewhere else to post whore.



As I have stated: Statutes do not apply to everyone. Actual Law does apply to everyone. Even the statutes of CARB do not apply to everyone in California.

Not everyone in California is a "Driver" nor does everyone have a "Motor Vehicle." Those who are actually "Drivers" and
operate a "Motor Vehicle" are subject to the statutes of CARB. There is nothing wrong with being a "Driver" nor is there anything wrong about having a "Motor Vehicle" people can make a decent amount of cash going from one point to another on the public roads. I used to be a "Driver" while I lived in Los Angeles County.

Wikipedia is bad source to find a definition of a word used in a statute and/or a law. In all of the "Law" dictionaries you can find look up the definitions for the words "Driver", "Motor Vehicle", "Passenger", "Transport", "Transportation", and "Vehicle." Write the definition down if you need to, then reread the "Motor Vehicle Act" using the definitions of those word in place of the actual word. Just in case you need a list of "Law" dictionaries, start with any and/or all of the eight editions of Black's Law dictionary, and Bouvier Law Dictionary.

As a final note, When I do post, it is usually because I have something to say. I usually do not post if someone has already said what I had in mind or if I do not have anything to contribute.

I can't believe anything from someone who's whole city is bankrupt.

I guess you should stop believing everything that comes from Washington DC.

The federal government and it's corporation has declared bankruptcy at least twice, if not more. Once in 1913 and again in 1933.

miklos
05-19-2009, 09:04 PM
DC Motorsports claims to make a CARB header for California. No executive order needed.

pornosquadz
08-18-2009, 02:47 AM
DC Motorsports claims to make a CARB header for California. No executive order needed.

is that true cuz i just put in my dc headers w/ 3' catco and hks catback exhaust. im trying to get it out of non-op so i can go sideways again but the dmv only gave me one day temp to get it smog. it also suck balls cuz i can only go to any test only shops. btw i drive a 91' 240 coupe

Phlip
08-18-2009, 07:19 AM
This thread should have been in the regional section last year, but had died... That bump did nothing to help the thread, so it dies now.