Jetta owners have it out for us?

[/etc/shadow]

My friend with a modded s14 called me a few weeks ago telling me that he had Jetta owners trying to race him left and right. He was freaking out that there was some kind of conspiracy going on, like the Jetta owners had targeted 240sx's for some reason. I thought he was just trying to creatively capsule another kill story, but now I've witnessed this phenomenon.

Today I was going over a hill on Preston in fifth, creeping at half throttle from 60 to 90. This guy was in the right lane and he zoomed (well he tried anyway) in front of me and turned on his emergency lights. He did this crap a few more times... I wasn't going to race over a blind hill. Anyway, I decided that if it looked clear and we both lined up at the stop light, I might as well peel some tire for a few seconds to illustrate the 240sx's torquey RWD configuration. Bastard turned right and went into a school zone, where I *certainly* wasn't going to follow, let alone race.

I'm told the death laughter I expressed when I found out they have all of 115 hp at the crank that is then forced through the front wheels, and that the turbo still had less power than the ka24de, could be heard from miles away.

[Foxcolt]

I fookin hate crapwagons. I didn't even read your dumb crapwagon post. Delete it.."go home pizza boy"

[uuninja]

HAHA tell us how you really feel Jed. I don't think I have ever really heard the story of why you have Vdubs.

Oh and which Jettas are you talking about? The new VR6 is rated at 200 to the crank and the 1.8t made 145 at the wheels in 99 when it was rated at 150 HP.

Now that I think about it the first car that ever tried to race me when I bought my s14 was a kitted up jetta with a huge wing. Conspiracy? I think maybe :p

[ridebmx]

ill race you in a volkswagon vanagon...id woop your ass...haha...man what were they thinking...

[Hubie]

Umm...I know this is a Nissan board but what's with all the VW bashing. You can't group all the VW drivers in one category b/c I've had two MK2 Jettas(85-92) and they were so much fun. I flipped one and the other was stolen. Anyway, I raced my friends 96 240sx with N1 dual and injen intake in my 1989 Jetta GLi 16v with header and exhaust and hours and hours of tuning and was able to get him by about a car(sometimes a little less or more) every time. And yes we raced both from a roll and drag.

Now after that Jetta was stolen and crashed by the Jackass I went out and bought a 93 240sx b/c they were more fun to drive. That got rear ended, so now I have a 96.:D All this happened in one year.:mad:

[tnord]

gee........what seems to be the constant in your equation full of variables there Hubie?

[Hubie]

Hahah....I narrowed it down to all three being red cars and having the same speaker box that was given to me by a friend that bought it from a pawn shop.

I now refuse to own a red car.

[kandyflip445]

Originally posted by tnord
gee........what seems to be the constant in your equation full of variables there Hubie?

I think it's the person that owns it....:D

[AKADriver]

http://mywebpages.comcast.net/akadriver1/images/rear.jpg

Enjoy the view :p

[turbo240sx]

thats the view we get when we arent trying.

[oberkill]

Thanks for the pic!!!! Ive never seen that view before.


;)

LOL they are OK cars pretty quick but they cant hang with a KAT or SR unless they are seriously modified..... Friend of mine in Japan had one and it was a fun little car to play with but hardly fast. I think it would give a stock 240 a decent run though, may not win but it would be close.

Alan

[tnord]

a VR6 gti like that would whup up on a stock 240.

[turbo240sx]

im only playin, they are quick but i think a 2000 vr6 should be able to beat a early 90's 2.4. if the 240 is stock

[AKADriver]

Originally posted by oberkill
I think it would give a stock 240 a decent run though, may not win but it would be close.

Owning both - it ain't close. The VR6 puts the 240SX to bed in a straight line.

That said, I still prefer to drive my 240SX.

[chokudoriS13]

My GTI feels as fast (if not a bit faster than) my KA-E S13. And that's with the 115hp 2.0. Imagine how a VR6 with almost 60 more hp will destroy a stock KA'd 240SX. Now, an SR or KA-T would pose a problem.

My GTI
http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid19/pf6a6b3c478182420791e45f72379b9a8/fdc2c0c5.jpg

My S13
http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid42/p55725f18f2e04ace0828e14d143b1bbe/fcf37935.jpg
It's hiding in that pic...a little shy :D :p

[Foxcolt]

Aish, I've gotten beat by a few crapwagons, they can be quick...

However I'll explain a little why I hate them with an utter passion.

Crapwagons are put together wrong. Simply put. They have veird engine configurations that simply don't work. W8? HA! Changing spark plugs on a crapwagon was harder than installing my fookin motor due to the el cheapo plastic spark plug remover.

They don't have lugnuts which makes changing a wheel a huge pain in the ass.

They have one belt for EVERYTHING. so when that belt goes your screwed and it's next to impossible to change on your own.

The trunk relese is in the center console and is impossible to find if you don't know where it is.

The radio is a PITA to change.

The gauge cluster is also a PITA to take apart.

All the controls for that thing are in vierd places.

People with crapwagons always think their cool:D

And the Number 1 reason why I hate crapwagons - My ex had one:p I don't like my ex

[uuninja]

And the Number 1 reason why I hate crapwagons - My ex had one:p I don't like my ex

LOL I'll drink to that!

[AKADriver]

Originally posted by Foxcolt
Crapwagons are put together wrong. Simply put. They have veird engine configurations that simply don't work. W8? HA! Changing spark plugs on a crapwagon was harder than installing my fookin motor due to the el cheapo plastic spark plug remover.


Don't be a cheapass! Buy the metal one!
http://www.parts4vws.com/images/parts/T.98180.jpg

Makes the whole job a lot easier.

You want to talk about annoying, talk about the special tool that's almost necessary to change rear brake pads and costs $60. Or the weird slotted socket for disassembling the struts.

The VR6 works great though - V6 displacement + inline six smoothness + 4 cylinder compactness. My only gripe is the noisy timing chain mechanism and valvetrain, but that should be nothing unfamiliar to 240SX owners...

The controls are one of my favorite features, too. It's the only car I've ever owned where I can easily operate every last control with gloves on. The trunk/hatch release is inside the (lockable) console as a security feature.

And the Number 1 reason why I hate crapwagons - My ex had one:p I don't like my ex

It's OK, I've had bad luck with dub girls too :p

[HippoSleek]

Yeah - its all fun and games until the electrical fires ;)

I really like Vdubs, but the build quality is a bit suspect. I've got a buddy w/ an old Jetta GLi that would be sweet if it weren't such a POS! ...but I don't like the chances of the old MkII 16v 2.0 NA 4 cyl. running a 240.

Ryan - I want to see the FRONT of your car... I still don't get that conversion.

Mark - who's 1st, 2nd, and 3rd cars were VWs...

[Hubie]

HippoSleek, I agree with you on the build quality of VW's, well the old ones at least. Every since I picked up my 240 I've found myself sitting in front of the computer/bored a whole lot more. With my Jetta, there is always something that I could improve or fix for free or cheap. Actually, that's kinda how I became self sufficient with fixing things/cars. When you're 16(i'm 21 now) and have no money you kinda have to learn how to fix things yourself. I'm now the "family mechanic". :D

[AKADriver]

Originally posted by HippoSleek
Ryan - I want to see the FRONT of your car... I still don't get that conversion.

Here it is now:
http://mywebpages.comcast.net/akadriver1/images/gti-latest.jpg

When it was stock it looked like this hyah:
http://a332.g.akamai.net/f/332/936/12h/www.edmunds.com/pictures/247236.jpg

[midnights14]

Actually, those new gen 1.8T Jettas are pretty quick, aren't they?

[adey]

I have a 1.8T MkIV GTi... haha there are two areas where the GTi beats out the 240: Comfort/amenities/layout/interior and POWER. That thing pulls like no KA24DE could ever pull! it's not the 190 crank hp so much as the 240 crank tq. :D

[/etc/shadow]

http://www.edmunds.com/used/2000/volkswagen/gti/2drgls18tturbohatchback/specs.html?id=lin0066

What did I do wrong? That claims it's 150/155.

[adey]

Oh right, sorry, I forgot to mention I'm "chipped". :) GIAC.
http://www.giacusa.com/
also see http://www.goapr.com/ for the APR chip. APR/GIAC are the two most popular.

[AKADriver]

See above; factory ratings don't always translate to reality. The 150hp GTI/Jetta 1.8t's regularly put down 140hp to the wheels.

For 2002 the GTI/Jetta 1.8t was bumped to 180hp via a change in computer programming (a smidgen more boost). These engines usually do around 160hp at the wheels.

Keep in mind that these are lower-spec versions of the engine with TINY turbochargers. They were designed to replace naturally aspirated, larger engines. The block, head, etc. are the same as the 225hp 1.8t in the Audi TT, though, and they can take plenty of boost with a different turbo.

[ridebmx]

nobody has a 80's vanagon that they drive around in tho, so disappointing...haha...thats what i should have used for winter...those things are so sweet :D :D

[HippoSleek]

Wow - it does look better w/ the Jetta front. Although if I had a Mk IV, I think I'd do it the other way around.

[uuninja]

Originally posted by adey
I have a 1.8T MkIV GTi... haha there are two areas where the GTi beats out the 240: Comfort/amenities/layout/interior and POWER. That thing pulls like no KA24DE could ever pull! it's not the 190 crank hp so much as the 240 crank tq. :D


I would beg to differ, my ka24de pulls like no 1.8t I have seen (have driven 3).

All the ka24de needs is a t3/t4.

I know I know stock vs stock, but you said any ka24de.

[adey]

Originally posted by uuninja
All the ka24de needs is a t3/t4.

I know I know stock vs stock, but you said any ka24de. [/B]
... yes... of course...
There was once a famous 1.8T GTi with a big turbo and stock bottom end that was driving around eating up BPU Supras... That car has, I believe, since been turned into a track-only vehicle, but still. That thought of a GTi beating supras? ... nuts. (I have videos to prove it! let me dig 'em up first... I'll post a few in a bit)

To the inquiring minds, I don't know what turbo this guy was running, but it was (I guess) good enough to take on most BPU Supras (except this one with a T88... but that's not exactly "bpu" anymore.)


edit: right click and "save target as"
http://www.bridgejumpers.org/vw/BPUvsVW.mpg
http://www.bridgejumpers.org/vw/t88supravsvw.mpg

[Natty]

Originally posted by HippoSleek
Yeah - its all fun and games until the electrical fires ;)


So true. My frirst car was an 1989 automatic 8v Jetta GL. I still want an MK2 16v.

The new 1.8T is actually 180hp. A new chip (upsolute, arp, giac) will up it by ~45hp I believe. They are very tuneable.

Jeff

[Hubie]

adey, you talking about Billy Tylaska and his 4dr golf? Yep Golf, not GTI!!!:eek: :p I think he finally his 11's but I'm not sure.

BTW as for VW's being slow, my friends 88 GTI 16v with only exhaust and gutted interior ran [email protected] on street tires. My Jetta was only able to pull off 15.8's+.

Go to the track and get definite times for yourself before you call something slow.

[NiteKids]

Originally posted by Foxcolt
I fookin hate crapwagons. I didn't even read your dumb crapwagon post. Delete it.."go home pizza boy"

HAHAHAHAHAH **** VOLKSWAGONS GAY ASS HOMO NAZI CARS!

[midnights14]

Originally posted by NiteKids
HAHAHAHAHAH **** VOLKSWAGONS GAY ASS HOMO NAZI CARS!

Hey are you Henry? Did I meet you at the SoCal meet? :)

[madwilly240]

wow, i read the post yesterday, and thought nothing..... and then today, a white jetta was alll over my ass, and then he was ****ing with my friend in an eclipse. I guess jetta owners do hate us after all.

[adey]

Hubie, yeah, I was referring to Billy1.8T whose Golf is in those two videos killing the BPU supra and losing (badly) to the T88 Supra. :) That car was (is) FAST.

[tnord]

henry, you sure do radiate the aura of an idiot.

[DSC]

I drove a 2003 1.8t jetta tonight. I must say I was very impressed.
Very nice feeling engine, smooth as butter. I drove my "test track" and give it 2 thumbs up for a daily driver. 180bhp and turbo, very nice feeling. They sacrifice a lot of "feel" in the jetta for comfort but oh well.

sure felt faster than the 240, and at 3000lbs not TOO heavy either for 180hp 175tq. Damn fine in the corners for fwd 4dr too.

[uuninja]

Originally posted by adey
... yes... of course...
There was once a famous 1.8T GTi with a big turbo and stock bottom end that was driving around eating up BPU Supras... That car has, I believe, since been turned into a track-only vehicle, but still. That thought of a GTi beating supras? ... nuts. (I have videos to prove it! let me dig 'em up first... I'll post a few in a bit)

To the inquiring minds, I don't know what turbo this guy was running, but it was (I guess) good enough to take on most BPU Supras (except this one with a T88... but that's not exactly "bpu" anymore.)


edit: right click and "save target as"
http://www.bridgejumpers.org/vw/BPUvsVW.mpg
http://www.bridgejumpers.org/vw/t88supravsvw.mpg

Actually that first link you posted was not a BPU supra, rather the car was Duy's 240sx with a very built ka24det, out in Houston TX IIRC. The car at it's peak ran a 10.88, in that video that car had already been sold and at the time was detuned.

I guess you inadvertently made a stronger than you intended ;)

[Chicken Magnet]

:( I'm not gonna lie, I got my ass beat by a 1.8t two months ago in my S14a. I had the N1 single, but now I have the N1 dual. I could probably keep up with him now that most of my power is in the low-mid end. If I could run into that car again...

[tnord]

hate to tell ya buddy (actually i love it), but you're gonna need more than a different exhaust to keep up.

[nas240man]

henry, you sure do radiate the aura of an idiot.


hehe

[Warwick5s]

hey, don't be knockin dubs. i may be ostracised for admitting this, i had FIVE (yes...that's correct, FIVE) before switching to my 240 this september. i'm very happy with the change, but i still really like vw's in general (and would still have one if they were more reliable)


1973 Superbeetle - 1641cc engine, kadron header, bosch 009 distributor, and some other little bits. pulled wool like no other car)

1990 CorradoG60 - 1 of my favorite cars ever. was faster than my 240 and just had this vibe about it. i'd still have that car if i hadn't gone to marching band after my sr year in high school and could have afforded to keep it. it's the one i miss :(

1988 Scirocco 16v #1 - faded red/pink. power nothing. reliable, good condition, but uninspiring.

1983 GTI 2.1 16v w/twin weber 40DCOEs, peloquin LSD, H&R race kit, straight exhaust, race header, hardly any interior. did 0-60 in an unofficially measured 5 seconds + a little change. ran for about half the time i owned it, PITA in the winter (but oh...the slides in the snow) and was SCARY loud. quite quite fun...it's the one all my friends remember most. i thought the head was cracked and about to take a sh!t, so i sold it, and made 2x what i paid for it. i'm a bastard :D

1988 Scirocco 16 #2 - white, neuspeed suspension, moda rims, all in all a car i bought cheap and have been paying for ever since. radiator problems, electrical gremlins, and now it's dead in my parents garage after i gave up and bought the 240. i'm probably going to restore it next spring and sell it to put toward a truck or my car loan on the 240.


and new VW's can be VERY fast, thats the only thing they have going for them - sucky suspension, bad build quality, etc.

i have about 5k posts on vwvortex.com ;) i'm 90CorradoG60 over there but don't post anymore.


that was very long and unneccesary, i'm sorry.

but here's a pic of my gti's engine...

[Foxcolt]

Originally posted by NiteKids
HAHAHAHAHAH **** VOLKSWAGONS GAY ASS HOMO NAZI CARS!


Wow, that's some deep internal Hate. I definitely don't hate em that much.:eek:

Something else that might be interesting about crap wagons. I was told this from a friend that used to do body work.

Crapwagons have a vacuum door locks! The whole power door lock thingie is opperated by vacuum lines. So everytime one of those lines gets pinched to whole thing goes to crap. I've tried pulling a door lock on one with a line pinch and it took a hell of a lot of effort.

[HippoSleek]

Originally posted by Warwick5s
1973 Superbeetle - 1641cc engine, kadron header, bosch 009 distributor, and some other little bits. pulled wool like no other car)

My first was a 73 Stupidbeetle w/ the basic 1600. Then a '65 that I put the 1600 into.

My last vdub was a 67 convertible that would lift the front wheels while dumping the clutch (when I had the build 1776 in it). Dual dels, Phoenix hide-away header, 009, 041 heads, a bunch more other stuff that I forgot b/c the car was built 10 years ago. Not really a sleeper (cherry red, fully polished Porsche alloys, Recaros, boomin' system, etc.) - but pretty fun to play in. Keep in mind that that was an era when hp was pretty low in most cars - the 100 hp Civic Si's were "pocket rockets!!"

Henry's always seemed to have something against VWs. But I think we all recall that something ain't quite right with that boy.

[DarkRaptor42]

Ive seen a 10 sec beetle. That was scary. And Ive seen a VW engine lifted out of a car by a single person (dont try). But these were the old VWs and not the new crappy low quality ones. My Gf was looking at the new 1.8ts. They are fast, but I would never own one and deffinatly wouldnt choose it over my 240. And in the end my girl decided she wanted a s14b any ways. And she comes from a family of VW lovers. In closing, watch out for the Vdubs but dust them.

[tnord]

new low quality ones??? are you kidding me? the new VW's have the build quality of an Audi or BMW, well, maybe not quite, but close.

[AKADriver]

The interior is gorgeous, the panels all fit perfectly with smooth even gaps, the finishes are generally nice.

Then the windows drop down in the doors because the cheap plastic clips in the window regulators give out. Then it won't start because the coil packs crap out. Then it runs like poo because the MAF dies...

My roommate has a brand new GTI 337, and it's a sweet car, but, as was said,
Yeah - its all fun and games until the electrical fires ;)

[Foxcolt]

Originally posted by tnord
new low quality ones??? are you kidding me? the new VW's have the build quality of an Audi or BMW, well, maybe not quite, but close.

You'd be surprised at the build quality of bimmers and audi's. ;)

Not everything is what they say it is. BMW's have more plastic in places their should not be plastic then I have ever seen in a car before.

Audi's are just nicer crapwagons in my opinion:D A4

Jed

[HippoSleek]

Originally posted by Foxcolt
Audi's are just nicer crapwagons in my opinion:D A4

Jed

Agreed. Someone once told me that the great thing about a Passat was that it was like an A4 w/o the price. I replied that an A4 was like a Passit for more money.

Back when VWs had metal dashes and boxers, they were down w/ Stuttgart. :D Not that they weren't still subject to engine fires. And electrical fires... under the hood... where the gas tank is :eek: :eek: :eek:

[tnord]

no, i think you would be surprised at the build quality of them. working at dealerships for 5 years you see a lot of old cars with high miles come through, and BMW's are always still solid, no matter what age. just because it's plastic doesn't mean it can't be strong, they are making tanks out of plastic now you know.

[old_s13]

Some of you guys are just too quick to talk ****. I think some of the best races I have had were with VW's and they are just BORN for canyon runs.. very potential cars, regardless if they are FWD.. thats just preference for the driver. They are fairly powerful, handle exceptionally, and brake damn well too.. and.. they are balanced.

I've raced `00 VR6 Jetta and `02 VR6 GTI both with manual transmissions, and I have to say they were some of the toughest races I have had. I also raced a `00 WRX and that was also quite difficult. Actually, the 02 VR6 GTI I raced was pretty fun.. the owner and I ended up going on several canyon runs after talking and then got in ANOTHER race with a `01 Audi TT Quattro.. 3 cars all blazing through the local twisties. The interesting thing is, some of you VW owners are talking **** about these cars "killing" a 240.. but my car is an SOHC auto and I was still able to race with them. Our jam through the canyons lasted about 20 minutes, if 240's were slow I would have been lost.

All I am saying is that there are too many people who are impressed with figures written on paper and need to focus more on learning how to drive, rather than advertising what they drive.

[AKADriver]

In the original post they were talking about grand prix du stoplight... 0-60 type crap. The VR6 was born for that so I responded with a little tongue in cheek shot of my car's fat purple butt... even though I wouldn't street race under any conditions.

My GTI isn't a fun canyon carver or autocrosser in my experience, but it's all preference. Fighting the momentum of all that weight over the nose can be daunting. The Mk4s usually have tons of body roll, too. If you're cool with that they can be rewarding; if you're not you can still buy a slightly better balanced 1.8T model, throw on some H&Rs and a big rear swaybar and have at it.

[old_s13]

I dunno, just about every GTI I have seen or raced has been more of a canyon carver than a dragster, thats for sure. Besides, I would think drag racing would just TOAST those lame ass engine mounts.. they need to be replaced with every gas fillup! :)

[AKADriver]

Turn2 mounts! Wheelhop begone!

It's easier to build one into a handler than a drag car, that's for sure. Stock form, though, the Mk3 and Mk4 are just too squishy!

[a2ddryft]

i have a 91' mk2 GTI 16v.. and yea i like it a lot.. stock 0-60 runs around 7.8 seconds.. but as other people say, its built for the twisties and VW owners prefer having more fun on the "real" roads than on the drag strip.