welded diff

[CoreyS13]

Will a welded diff throw alignment on the rear out of spec?

[burninskulls0911]

make sure the rear tires are the same psi and the same tire

[techtrix]

nope, it has nothing to do with the alignment

[CoreyS13]

make sure the rear tires are the same psi and the same tire
Ah okay, I could see how that may play a roll.

[burninskulls0911]

if one tires low it will pull in that direction Ah okay, I could see how that may play a roll.

[CoreyS13]

Seem's very finicky, why wouldn't someone just go with a LSD?

[burninskulls0911]

i would go welded over lsd

my daily is welded

[lflkajfj12123]

canada fail

a welded differential is more predictable than a non 2way lsd

its locked all the time

welded differential is cheap FUCKING duh

i'm all for good differentials but most people don't drop 900 bones for a good 2way

[burninskulls0911]

exactly ^

[ericcastro]

i got a welded diff.

your tire pressure would have to be different by like 8psi to feel the difference, or a "pull". and you would feel that on any normal car.

and i run missmatched tires ALL THE TIME. no problem if the tread pattern and amount of tread are similar.

weldeds great for low hp and beginer drifters.

[Z33dori]

yea i'm welding my diff soon.. can't wait.

[sillyvia13]

I have a welded diff just center section...pm me if someone wants it...
$50 shipped.

ps...WELDED FO LIFE>
no way I am spending $900 for a diff. no no no.

[DDSR240]

If you do decide do go welded do it right clean all oil and dirt out for added strength wedge 4 bolts between the spider gears (make shure they are a high grade bolt) then using a heavy duty welder (one that will penitrate deep) weld the 8 corners together and clean it very very well you can also use a pionted hammer and hit the welds to break off and loose pieces.then fill it to the right level adn enjoy the piece of mind its always locked in.

[Z33dori]

has anyone copied MAX yet...

http://www.gtfactory.jp/cms/e107_files/public/1199941026_2_FT911_sp1020610.jpg


nice lil block in there.... i just wanna make sure this fucker ain't gonna bust apart on me.

[Matej]

Luke on here did that way before I've ever heard of Max. I had my diff welded by him, it's been three years, daily driven, I love it. Weld Locd, it's trill!
http://www.zilvia.net/f/showthread.php?t=159852

[ILoveMyRHS13]

PBM isn't the first to do that. Weld did that before them and also many other people did. My one local buddy had his brother, who cant weld for shit, weld 4 spot welds, one in each corner... He sold it to a guy on Nico... Owned.

[Z33dori]

i'm not worried who did it 1st... just most ppl just talk of the bolt tech... most just say straight weld the gears together..

just wondering. i think imma try it that way...

[slow40sx]

i've done 9 of them i juss weld the spider gears in the 8 spots and all of them are still in perfect working order, i love mine, i sold my vlsd cause i like the welded diff so much better, but it has no effect on ur alignment

[LongGrain]

my diff has been welded for about a year now, we didnt use any bolts or plates. just welded the gears together, and also the output shafts. its strong as fuck.

drifted, gripped, AND daily driven, never had a single problem.

[sillyvia13]

I just weld gears in 8 points. 4 each side.
I had a kid sr20 458 hp sheered his d shaft off in trans before diff broke...
I never wanted to add metal like MAX one above..but looks decent...I probly would have filled in more open gear space with weld...

240sx that you got for $100
welded diff
ka24de with minor mods, shit advance timing abit!
and rain. nothing more fun in the world...toilet bowl racing....ITS THE SHIT!

[Z33dori]

my diff has been welded for about a year now, we didnt use any bolts or plates. just welded the gears together, and also the output shafts. its strong as fuck.

drifted, gripped, AND daily driven, never had a single problem.

wow u welded the shafts too... hmm seems like it should work...

well before i even weld mine i have to get some new bearings. i kinda roughed them up spraying it down with brake clean.

[M4Rl0N]

Same here.
i have a weldy for DD and i go everywere with it and it hasnt broken on me yet....its not as bad as people make it seem.

[ericcastro]

If you do decide do go welded do it right clean all oil and dirt out for added strength wedge 4 bolts between the spider gears (make shure they are a high grade bolt) then using a heavy duty welder (one that will penitrate deep) weld the 8 corners together and clean it very very well you can also use a pionted hammer and hit the welds to break off and loose pieces.then fill it to the right level adn enjoy the piece of mind its always locked in.


i actually dont weld in "bolts". IMO, the diff is spinning at a crazy amount of RPM's at any given time. That extra mass is throwing it off balance, and has a high likely hood of flying off.

i think all the welded diffs that have blown are because of bolts welded into the gears, or welds that are not hot enough.

You just need to clean it well, and weld all 8 points. clean it all out good, run a magnet around in there and fill it back up.

the trick is to get a welder that can go high enough to put some deep heat into the welds. If you wled it right, you wont need a bolt jamming the gears, cause there welded!!


tried to find you the thread of 240sxforum, but i couldnt. sorry. it was a great step by step with pictures and welder settings.
My rockabily nieghbor did mine for free in 15 minutes one day :)

[sillyvia13]

Same here.
i have a weldy for DD and i go everywere with it and it hasnt broken on me yet....its not as bad as people make it seem.

truth.
there alot of items related to drifting and 240sx that fit into this
not as bad as it seems folder....

[downshift_sideways]

has anyone copied MAX yet...

http://www.gtfactory.jp/cms/e107_files/public/1199941026_2_FT911_sp1020610.jpg


nice lil block in there.... i just wanna make sure this fucker ain't gonna bust apart on me.

That's a pretty beefy weldy.

However that all is not necessary.

I weld diff's myself. I weld each joint of the spider gear, bead around the casing.and weld to the housing itself.

Never had a problem.

Before than I used 2 of Luke's (blu808's) Diffs. Which were an awesome product!

[Z33dori]

well my buddy is welding it. and the last diff we welded is still running great. Its i the back of a monte carlo... the diff has held great but the stock axles don't lol... pretty much bullet proof welds.

That's a pretty beefy weldy.

However that all is not necessary.

I weld diff's myself. I weld each joint of the spider gear, bead around the casing.and weld to the housing itself.

Never had a problem.

Before than I used 2 of Luke's (blu808's) Diffs. Which were an awesome product!


so u weld the gears to the housing??

[jakethesnake]

if you weld your diff and you take turns its going to skip right?

[downshift_sideways]

^I'm adding to your red now. Enjoy the bright ones.

[Andrew Bohan]

seems like a lot of people don't know why it's called a differential

it's because it allows the wheels to turn at different speeds.

the speed difference between the wheels depends on the radius of the turn. very small radius turns like u-turns require the biggest difference in wheel speeds, and that's why cars with welded diffs skip one tire.

for bigger turns, the required difference in wheel speeds is negligable so it's not a big deal to have a welded. to get the most performance however, a real LSD would be ideal.

drifting does not require any difference in wheel speeds, and that is why a welded diff works so good for it.

[brndck]

real diff > welded.
just cuz its expensive doesn't mean that you should always get the cheaper alternative. i'd never run welded unless it was a dedicated drift only car. i've had a kaaz 2 way and currently have a carbonetics 1.5 and either of those is way way better than welded. especially if ur gonna be driving on the street in the rain.
just my .02

[Z33dori]

its not so much that it's expensive

its just most of us can't afford to even save up to buy one.

i mean ya we could save... and take like 1.5 half .... so why not just weld it in the mean time... problem solved .

I would love to have a 2 way.. but btwn buying books and paying bills, the rest of my money is blown keeping my car running .. so it is easy for me to make money by trading off my VLSD and getting a open diff + free welding = :)

[JohnJohn86]

Seem's very finicky, why wouldn't someone just go with a LSD?

Beacuse they are cheap and poor

[ericcastro]

if you weld your diff and you take turns its going to skip right?

have you ever seen a drift car pulling out of the Paddock slowly at D1?? they skip too. So your car will be just like a fucking race car, awsome!!!!!!

and you just need to be conscious in the rain.

Dont fear the welded diff. get some balls, weld it, and put the $750 saved into tires and track time!

Hate how these welded diff threads always get nay sayers in here talking about how they would never do it. if your looking at welded as an option, then just do it and save the money for more track events.

Many a Formula D driver has qualified with Welded diffs, cause they put that saved money towards thier dream instead of putting the dream on hold for 9 months while they saved for a 2-way.


Beacuse they are cheap and poor

You make asumptions. I am definatly not cheap. and if your really pushing towards things inlife, you tend to put ALL your resorces towards it. So i wouldn't say Im poor, but I dont run around throwing 900 bones down on 2way. i weld it up instead, sell the VLSD, take that 1200 and do 12 track events.

NEG REP for you buddy :)

real diff > welded.
just cuz its expensive doesn't mean that you should always get the cheaper alternative. i'd never run welded unless it was a dedicated drift only car. i've had a kaaz 2 way and currently have a carbonetics 1.5 and either of those is way way better than welded. especially if ur gonna be driving on the street in the rain.
just my .02
i would choose a S14 over a S13 if I could. But I went with the S13 so i didn't have to wait a year to save and start drifting. The S13 is the cheaper alternative, but i went with it. And within a year, I have gone out of state to a NOPI qualifyer, drifted Irwindale a few times, Horse Thief Mile, become comfortable with Tandem drifting and gotten pretty good at it. Now if I waited a For a S14, or even a 2-way, i would be trying to learn donuts right now.

[brndck]

who wants to buy a kaaz 2 way! for s13. $550 picked up in socal!
http://www.zilvia.net/f/showthread.php?t=199628
(this is a blatant threadjack)

[ericcastro]

^lol, but at least it in the right place :)

and that may be worth the extra money to not weld it guys. sounds like adeal.

[slow40sx]

well my buddy is welding it. and the last diff we welded is still running great. Its i the back of a monte carlo... the diff has held great but the stock axles don't lol... pretty much bullet proof welds.




so u weld the gears to the housing??


its mad simple, juss pop the cover, push out the input shafts, unbolt the bearing cover mounts, pop the gears out brake clean the spot ur welding on and then lay a thick ass bead on each corner on the spider gears flip it over and do the other side and put it all back together

[Bubbles]

it was a great step by step with pictures and welder settings.



You need to put the torch down if you need to be told your settings.
(Not directed at you, BTW)


My opinion:

dOrifto-welded or real deal isn't going to make a difference

DD- shell out the green or grow some balls

[sleepy_s13]

Ive Had a welded diff, Now i have tomei 2-way.....I wouldnt go back.

[s13coupedrfter]

I've had a Kazz 2 way for a while now, it's great but I'm going back to welded.
Anyone want a Kazz 2 way in a s14 pumpkin/input shafts with 4.63 gear for 600 bucks. Will ship.

[blueshark123]

i just put in my welded diff i got from luke i like alot. only problem i have is when i need to parallel park what a pain lol.

[SilviaSR20DET]

parallel parking isn't all to bad for me and im using a welded diff for daily. i got used to since i do it so often here in seattle lol.

[origin_s135]

Ive Had a welded diff, Now i have tomei 2-way.....I wouldnt go back.

i have the advance traxxx sitting in my room; can't wait.

[terrence]

i did mine pretty closed to how pbm do theres. basicly 2 blocks of steel welded in.

before welded
http://i29.tinypic.com/vwvexu.jpg

after and assembled
http://i26.tinypic.com/2ymyd1i.jpg

we did have to go back and modify it because the axle shafts wouldnt go in all the way. but wasnt to big of a deal.

[ericcastro]

i didnt even take mine out.

popped the back off. cleaned it real good. stuffd a rag under the gears to catch any slag poppin off. did up one side. did the other side.
cleaned it up, ran a magnet around, put the back on. filled it up. put it back on the car.

stoked

and parking and u turns arent bad at all. the only time i ever notice is when i first did u turns. now I cant even tell.

[Flybert]

Blocks of steel and bolts are completely unnecessary when you have a good welder (machine) and a good welder (person). Arc welders and commercial mig welders work best. My dad and I have done around 25+ like this with no problems whatsoever. I always take them out for him to weld because it prevents slag from getting everywhere and he gets better access with the welder.

When it comes to welding, I go with whatever my dad says since he's been welding for DWP of LA for 25 years now. Take a look at the welds on my car as well as dousan's car and you will know what's up.

[spoolandslide]

if i had the money i would get a good 2 way

but i dont

so the shell im getting has a welded diff that im just gonna keep on it for my build
and vlsd on my car is getting borrowed by a friend
welded is perfectly fine
if the diff breaks its like whatevs cause it was cheap as fuck
if it snaps the axles, i dont care cause i can pick those up for 30 bucks each
if it snaps the drive train whatevs cuz thats what god made junkyards for

[Syncade]

Well im one of the few grip people left in the schassis crowd and i will attempt to rock a welded diff later this week!

1.5 way > Welded > 2 way :bigok:

[MrFuel]

I have a welded DIFF, and love it!

I specially love it, when im driving in
parking lots and scaring people while
making a slow turn. hahahaha!!

[Andrew Bohan]

good welder (machine) and a good welder (person).

welder = machine
weldor = person

i know no one says spells it like weldor, but that is technically correct

[Black240Ct]

tried to find you the thread of 240sxforum, but i couldnt. sorry. it was a great step by step with pictures and welder settings.
My rockabily nieghbor did mine for free in 15 minutes one day :)


http://www.240sxforums.com/forums/showthread.php?t=90910&highlight=welded+differential

there is the link with the pics. was help full but i broke two differentials welding it this way.

i found it much easier and better to take the whole spider gear box out of the pumpkin and weld all around the gears like the pics ppl posted here.

i did my most recent one that way and have had no trouble with it since

[jskateborders]

the only thing I didnt like about welded is its almost imposible
(least for me) to push the car by yourself if your batt dies and you need to clutch kick.

[canas]

why is it bad to drive in the rain with a welded diff? ive never heard about that before...

[Bubbles]

Ha ha.

Awesome.

[ESmorz]

why is it bad to drive in the rain with a welded diff? ive never heard about that before...

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/d/d4/PubTThou01.jpg

Just don't look out your window.

[ericcastro]

why is it bad to drive in the rain with a welded diff? ive never heard about that before...

not bad. just dangerous if you are unaware of how the welded will act.

Dont floor it on corners or let off with high RPM's in the rain. It will try and go into a drift. just drive normal and under 60mph and you should be good :)

[Jonnyblaze]

does it wear you tires faster during normal driving?

[brndck]

does it wear you tires faster during normal driving?

anytime u turn both wheels spin at the same speed so one is constantly slipping/chirping.

short answer=yes.

[chon]

Does anyone know if there's anyone in the southern OC area able to weld my differential? A shop or anybody at a reasonable price?

[!Zar!]

I drove my car with belted r compounds and welded diff at a good tick of speed.

I'm still alive.

People who are afraid of welded diff's rain or dry must suck at driving.

FYI, welded acts exactly like a 2way in the rain.

Cliff note: Stop sucking at driving.

[afro88]

LMAO the 2way in my old corolla is fun as hell in the rain, and my friends love their welded's in the rain. I'll definetly be welding the diff in my s13 simply for the sake of affordability and current lack of seat time this year.

[Z33dori]

yea thats my main reason... get the car running and just learn on the open deserted back roads ..... one good thing about ohio.. no ditches..

just wondering, anyone have a welded in Super hicas car before.

[ericcastro]

does it wear you tires faster during normal driving?

If your not gonna drift or drag, theres really no reason to be welding your diff.

soooo, does drifting and doing donuts wear your tires faster?? And if you put in a welded, your gonna be doing this right??? soooo........


You wouldn't be able to tell the difference in tire wear. you'll have more wear from the camber after lowering your car than you will from a welded diff.

[!Zar!]

Toe, not camber.

[1QUICK4]

If your not gonna drift or drag, theres really no reason to be welding your diff.



Drag racing with a welded diff= FAIL

Cuz it takes out your whole drive train in the process when you put a load on it. Drifting is ok, I did it for a year just fine. Not saying everyone needs to have a 2 way but I know alot of other people that have broken alot of stuff due to a welded diff blowing up. It makes perfect sense, any time you weld something you weaken the metal.

http://i82.photobucket.com/albums/j262/1quick4/diffMedium.jpg

[sillyvia13]

Does anyone know if there's anyone in the southern OC area able to weld my differential? A shop or anybody at a reasonable price?

go see your local redneck.
a 4x4 shop?
a muffler shop...
anyone with a welder...
shit try jb weld...lol...JUST KIDDING!!!!!!!

[sillyvia13]

Drag racing with a welded diff= FAIL

Cuz it takes out your whole drive train in the process when you put a load on it. Drifting is ok, I did it for a year just fine. Not saying everyone needs to have a 2 way but I know alot of other people that have broken alot of stuff due to a welded diff blowing up. It makes perfect sense, any time you weld something you weaken the metal.

http://i82.photobucket.com/albums/j262/1quick4/diffMedium.jpg


pics of the rest?
I had a kid with one over 400 hp on a sr...he broke shit too!
a driveshaft in his trans!?
I load weld up real nice, real hot.
guess its bound to happen...gotta pay to play!

[lflkajfj12123]

Toe, not camber.

quoted for truth

[!Zar!]

Drag racing with a welded diff= FAIL

Cuz it takes out your whole drive train in the process when you put a load on it. Drifting is ok, I did it for a year just fine. Not saying everyone needs to have a 2 way but I know alot of other people that have broken alot of stuff due to a welded diff blowing up. It makes perfect sense, any time you weld something you weaken the metal.

http://i82.photobucket.com/albums/j262/1quick4/diffMedium.jpg

So I guess you've never heard of a posi?

When you took your diff out to weld it, did anything go flying around, was backlash proper?

Because according to you, all people who drag race should run open diffs that way they don't break anything.

No?

[1QUICK4]

So I guess you've never heard of a posi?

When you took your diff out to weld it, did anything go flying around, was backlash proper?

Because according to you, all people who drag race should run open diffs that way they don't break anything.

No?

Never directly said not to run them. Just informing some people that if they plan on it that it "could happen". And when did I say they should run open? I don't believe I said anything about an open diff in my post at all.

[240cracker]

has anyone copied MAX yet...

http://www.gtfactory.jp/cms/e107_files/public/1199941026_2_FT911_sp1020610.jpg


nice lil block in there.... i just wanna make sure this fucker ain't gonna bust apart on me.

i think thats over kill... fucks a lot of welds. i have four on each side and iv been running that shit hard for a while. no problems.

welded diff is a bitch to daily but fun but great for the drift ^_-

[!Zar!]

Never directly said not to run them. Just informing some people that if they plan on it that it "could happen". And when did I say they should run open? I don't believe I said anything about an open diff in my post at all.

Well, any performance change and increased abuse (track) on any car will brake things faster.

Your post was leading to say that the welded caused the rear to break.

More like the backlash was wrong, or you simply had a really hard launch.

Shit would've happened to just about anything other than an open diff. Where it would have bled the power out to a wheel instead of breaking something.

[1QUICK4]

Well, any performance change and increased abuse (track) on any car will brake things faster.

Your post was leading to say that the welded caused the rear to break.

More like the backlash was wrong, or you simply had a really hard launch.

Shit would've happened to just about anything other than an open diff. Where it would have bled the power out to a wheel instead of breaking something.

I'm not telling people not to run a welded diff because I rocked one for a year. Then that happened, cost me ring gear, pinion gear, diff, both axles, tranny and clutch disc. Most of it had to have been from all the shock from it breaking. $1200 later I had it fixed and a kaaz 2 way was installed. I learned the hard way that a welded diff can blow up easier. I was just warning people that if they run one, and plan on putting a load on it that it can break. Then again maybe it's who welds it, I had my friends dad weld mine and he's like 70 and has welded almost all of his life. Maybe mine was just welded shitty

[Z33dori]

i think thats over kill... fucks a lot of welds. i have four on each side and iv been running that shit hard for a while. no problems.

welded diff is a bitch to daily but fun but great for the drift ^_-

no such think as overkill... there is good and then there is good + insurance.

[!Zar!]

I still want to know what does breaking the pinion gear have to do with welding the spider gears?


Wtf, even more so.

Wtf does a tranny and clutch have to do with a diff?

Axles?

wtf wtf wtf?

[1QUICK4]

I still want to know what does breaking the pinion gear have to do with welding the spider gears?

I took chunks out of the ring and pinion gears. shattered spider gear+torque+pieces getting jammed up quick=break

Alrite when shit breaks that bad all that shock from it binding up has to go somewhere???

No idea how it happened but it obviously everything started from the diff and took out everything else

[!Zar!]

Whoever welded it must fail.

[1QUICK4]

Whoever welded it must fail.

Held up for a whole year...........

if i'm wrong please correct me, but breaking all that shit at once? i'd still like to know exactly how it happened. cuz it boggles my mind

[seto_s14]

i got my diff welded by PBM and the welds were even beefier than in the picture being thrown around in this thread! PBM = the shit! great products and great customer service. they really take care of you

[steve shadows]

Well, any performance change and increased abuse (track) on any car will brake things faster.

Your post was leading to say that the welded caused the rear to break.

More like the backlash was wrong, or you simply had a really hard launch.

Shit would've happened to just about anything other than an open diff. Where it would have bled the power out to a wheel instead of breaking something.

Welded diffs break because welded diffs are a cheap fix for an expensive solution.

welded diffs imo are for people who are not really 100% serious about investing in their driving experience, reliability and function for racing.

[afro88]

Most people who weld their diffs dont race though.....:-/

[ericcastro]

I have run my welded for over a year and a half without problem. I am very serious about racing and even went to the NOPI qualifyer several months ago.

One day i will get a 2way, but its at the bottom of the list. and the welded got me on the track right away. Instead of sitting on the sideline for 6 months saving for a welded.

Plus, you might not like drifting or be any good at it. So a welded is a great way to get out there and see before you start dropping big money into something your not sure you will like.


And I said Drag, because thats what the hotrod/rockabilly neighbor said. He said he has made many "lockers" for drag cars and hotrods.

If your shattering welded diffs, I would think you need to put a larger rear end in then. and If you can build a 400HP SR, your should be at the level to have a one piece drive shaft, and a 1.5 of 2way installed.


And i thought when you lowered your car, and the wheels squated out, that was camber?? I thought toe is when they point out, or inwards?
http://i154.photobucket.com/albums/s242/castro_castro/formulaD00016.jpg
camber, right??
Does lowering the rear toe your car out too?

[S13_SideWayz]

lmao wow just bcuz u dont get a $1000 2way doesnt mean ur not taking it sireous. some people decide to waste $1000 in a better way like coils and a welded diff. which can still get them to slide. so ppl just cant afford dat and will rather spend $80 on welding a diff. just my 0.02 cents.



Welded diffs break because welded diffs are a cheap fix for an expensive solution.

welded diffs imo are for people who are not really 100% serious about investing in their driving experience, reliability and function for racing.

[!Zar!]

Blah blah blah *picture* blah

Toe is what kills tires, much faster than camber.

When you go lower, the top of the tire angles in, but more importantly, your toe changes also.

That is what is killing the tires.

But yes, you are aright about what camber and toe does.

[ericcastro]

blah blah blah


lol,

So is that something they fix with alignment, or is that something i gotta ask to have fixed. it makes total sense, but i didnt realize the toe changed as well.

And i assume its toe out?? So kinda like they run the drift cars in Japan. A little toe out to help the car step out??

[murda-c]

A little toe out will make the rear end react alot faster.

I don't like it though, i prefer to have zero toe in the rear.

[!Zar!]

So...

Now onto align ment.

I run 0 toe in rear, .05 out up front.

Shit feels great.

[240=180]

as !zar! said both camber and toe cause tire wear but toe leads to more wear because it causes the tire to scrub.... where as camber only wears the inside or outside of the tires contact patch

i do alignments

so

lowering= increased negative camber and toe

[afro88]

I think it should be common knowledge that when you do anything major to the suspension of a car an alignment is in order....... this is OT though. Has nothing to do with a welded diff.

[lflkajfj12123]

A little toe out will make the rear end react alot faster.

I don't like it though, i prefer to have zero toe in the rear.

more toe out will make your car go sideways easier

but it is more unpredictable and harder to transition

i prefer 0 toe or slightly in

[luftrofl]

Toe out ~= having hicas constantly activated (not exactly, I know). No way that'd be a good setup for drifting unless you like driving an unstable car XD

[corey240]

Holy batman were off topic now. I searched and found 1 thread which had a link to another thread that answerd thos questions, plus thes, Which then had a thread to answer the same questions lol. Search-Welded diff= AWSOME ANSWERS:bigok: (but this has mucho information i didnt know)

http://zilvia.net/f/showthread.php?t=135579&highlight=welded+diff

http://zilvia.net/f/showthread.php?t=79318&page=2

[Farzam]

I've never tried grip driving with a welded diff

I'm not really a super huge drifter dude so I want to make sure I could grip drive WELL with a welded before I actually get one, cause I found one for stupid cheap. I read earlier in the thread someone said they grip drive with theirs...but is it any good?

[lflkajfj12123]

i think if you use a welded in grip you have to change up your driving style a little bit

instead of accelerating through turns approach them faster and do brake work

i would say its more in the alignment imo

[240=180]

^^^

probably some toe in and adjust camber for most contact patch

[ericcastro]

i grip with mine all the time.

Lets see, Ive chased down a,
DB9
Porche, cayenne turbo
wrx
s2K

and im sohc
its all driver of course, but the welded helps when pushing out the end of corners. You can brake initiate the diff if your not carefull coming in too hot. And when you throttle out of corners, you ride that edge of stepping out, just like you would a 2way.

its all in the driver.

[EJ253]

well, when you take the pumpkin out of the car you might mess up the alignment. maybe not.

just a thought

[phi_ho1]

can anyone in LA or Orange county do welded differential?

[CoreyS13]

Oh Jeez! Last time I read this it was at 1 page and thought it would just die out, but 4 pages later I've learnt alot about welded diffs.

Thanks for all the replies!

[RanciD]

I've never tried grip driving with a welded diff

I'm not really a super huge drifter dude so I want to make sure I could grip drive WELL with a welded before I actually get one, cause I found one for stupid cheap. I read earlier in the thread someone said they grip drive with theirs...but is it any good?

If you're not drifting I would just stick with an open diff and dial out inside wheel spin as much as possible with your suspension. You're just going to be fighting a welded diff that wants to understeer/oversteer/do anything but turn properly all the time. We don't all have Michael Schumacher's skills like Mr. Castro up there so there's no point in trying to compensate for parts that are far from ideal just to go as fast as you could stock.

[JBao]

welded diffs have been around forever. ask the dirt track guys.

[suprafreak1000]

can anyone in LA or Orange county do welded differential?


hit up flybert

msglnth...

[lflkajfj12123]

If you're not drifting I would just stick with an open diff and dial out inside wheel spin as much as possible with your suspension. You're just going to be fighting a welded diff that wants to understeer/oversteer/do anything but turn properly all the time. We don't all have Michael Schumacher's skills like Mr. Castro up there so there's no point in trying to compensate for parts that are far from ideal just to go as fast as you could stock.

you're retarded

[!Zar!]

The reason people can't drive fast with a welded is because they suck at driving.

A 2 way drives the same way.

You don't hear about people with 2ways saying that it's worse than an open, because chances are the people dropping the money for a 2way know how to drive in the first place.

[Flipzide]

I've never understood why people say don't try grip driving with a welded or 2way. It's fun.. I've never had any problems with my 2way. Then again, I blew an axle one time, but hey shit happens.

With that said, most of my friend's have welded. They do fine daily driving and occasionally hitting the twisties. Only time an incident ever happened with a welded was because my friend was driving a welded with bald tires on a wet freeway... don't recommend that at all. Other than that, no issues.

[RanciD]

you're retarded

Thank you for your informed input. Do you have anything constructive to add or do you just like seeing your post count go up?

A 2 way does not drive the same as a welded diff. If it did then there'd really be no point in having a clutch pack instead of simply being welded would there? Problem is when you stretch some bald 205 federals onto your sick deep dish work wheels and don't have enough traction to get the diff to breakaway. Then you come here and post bullshit misinformation that gets propogated by people who don't know any better. Welding your diff defeats the very reason there's a differential in your car at all. A 2 way addresses the short comings of an open differential while keeping the basic and fundamental functionality of a differential. This isn't rocket science.

http://auto.howstuffworks.com/differential.htm

I recommend anyone who still has questions reads that.

EDIT: Thanks for the neg rep, nice to see you're not even man enough to leave your username.

[corey240]

So I talked to my boss today. He knows alot, infact his car for the shop won the 05' car and driver challenge (fwd). He said the only thing is axles take extreme forces when diff is welded, and the car doesnt want to drive normal, also tireswear alot faster.

Searching found enough answers to thos dilemas, the only one I have and maybe some others havnt thought about. Snow... Its a common thing for me t have to worry about, so should I get a diff, weld it, and buy another from the yard for winter?:aw:

[Z33dori]

well just weld it... if u don't like it, then buy another open for cheap or buy a vlsd.

[Matej]

Usually most of the people who put down the welded diff are people who never owned one.

It's cheap, it's fun, it's simple and I don't need to worry about maintaining it, I'm not building a race car, works for me. Even if I had the money for a 2-way, I'd still go with welded and spend the rest on something else.

[xkamikazestormx]

^werd

its not THAT bad grip driving it.