Searches and seizures. Know your rights!

[downshift_sideways]

So the other night...I had a party at my house.

There was alcohol and marijuana, and loud music. I got a knock at the door.

I check through the hole..and it was 2 male police officers. I turned down the music..and moved anything in plain view that was illegal. I walked out the front door and closed it behind me.

The officers said that they had noise complaints from neighbors. I apologized to the officer and said I will handle everything and the noise level will go down.

The officer asked me for my I.D. and I asked "Why officer? Did I do something wrong?". (I'm a convicted felon..with a 4 way search clause meaning that I have have given up my constitutional rights and am allowed searches and seizures by any officer during time of detainment)

One male officer if I had any underage drinkers in the house, and if I had any drugs. (which changed the subject from me giving them my I.D. Woot!:D)

"No, officer. I apologize for your dispatch to my house, but I assure you everything is under control. Am I free to go now".

The officer then asked if I do not follow standard procedure for a search that they will bring in a k-9 unit to search the house.

I simply said.

"I do not consent to any searches and seizures among my property without a warrant, I know two are just doing your job...but rest assured everything is under control. Am I free to leave?".

The officers then realized that I did know my constitutional rights, and told me if they come back again they will bring the k-9 unit. (which does not startle me at all...it's just a way of them to use their scare tactics)

so I went back inside..Lowered the music and continued partying the entire night.

KNOW YOUR RIGHTS PEOPLE!

Never consent to give up your constitutional rights as a citizen.

We have amendments backing us up!

Just thought I'd vent.

I could have went to jail for 6 months...if I didn't know my rights.

when you go in and out of prison you tend to study and practice your rights more.

Yay 4 Me !

For those of you that do not know. click here..and read for a couple hours..It will make you a stronger citizen..and protect you from cops trying to get over on you!

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_Constitution

[ESmorz]

I've had and been at houses where cops come. They ask to come inside. The home owners refuse and there is nothing made of it. They just promise to lower the noise level and so in a respectable manner.

Then sometimes it doesn't matter, they will just walk in if you don't close the door behind you. I guess it all depends on how respectful, knowledgeable, and clear minded you seem at the time. Every time cops have come inside the house it's because the owner was blasted and they just thought they could bs the cops.

Seems luck was on your side again lol.

[downshift_sideways]

There is a plain view rule. (house,car etc.)

Meaning that if an officer see's any illegal drugs or suspects of any underage drinkers within plain view. Now they have cause to perform a search warrant and search your property and possesions.

Even while intoxicated I can hold my grounds.

I love doing the sobriety tests...I can pass them..until they read my alcohol consumption :D

[ESmorz]

Live life.

Handle your shit.

Amen.

[DOOK]

staying civil with police officers like you did was probably your best move. Saying no like an ass and saying no politely are two different stories. well done, fuck the man.

[yokotas13]

wait wait wait

lets reasses this
your a felon
your a dumbass and have illegal stuff in yoru house


in a way i wish you woudl have gotten caught
you obviously didnt learn your lesson the first time

[koroshiya87]

geez no need to be mean to a felow convicted felon

[downshift_sideways]

wait wait wait

lets reasses this
your a felon
your a dumbass and have illegal stuff in yoru house


in a way i wish you woudl have gotten caught
you obviously didnt learn your lesson the first time
I live my life a quarter mile at a time Grant...:ugh:

[svensko]

I live my life a quarter mile at a time Grant...:ugh:

I bet your neighors love you. :ugh:

Should've got caught, but that's okay, they're on to you. :hsdance:

[ESmorz]

I bet your neighors love you. :ugh:

Should've got caught, but that's okay, they're on to you. :hsdance:

Live and let live.

No need to be a douchebag.

Even though that is your forte here.

[eastcoastS14]

haha cops in the town where my college is just walk up in peoples houses....there have been mad times when we were partying and some cop just opens the back door and comes in

[Matej]

Search and seizure?

When searched, fake a seizure.

[ESmorz]

Search and seizure?

When searched, fake a seizure.


http://farm1.static.flickr.com/248/450885142_ba232781fd.jpg?v=0

[DALAZ_68]

Live and let live.

No need to be a douchebag.

Even though that is your forte here.


indeed...


he without sin cast the first stone

**watches jesus throw a rock**

WTF

[qwikspool]

+1 on knowing your rights.

[hunter8411]

I love how everyone bandwagon picks on the guy with already bad rep, and doesnt say anything about grant. I guess fearing neg-rep is one way to go.

Stupid move having the drugs when your already a felon and know they can search you. But well played by knowing your rights AND staying perfectly cool with the cops.

[murda-c]

Everyone knows grant's a tool sometimes, he's just a tool who can get you cool shit from japan.

[svensko]

Live and let live.

No need to be a douchebag.

Even though that is your forte here.

Live fast, die young. I wonder how many DUIs the OP has on his record as well.
:hsdance:

[norcal_black240]

You guys should check out this video cause it sorta relates to the subject of your rights and knowing the law. (Its long but def. def. worth to watch) Its pretty much a video saying why it does not pay off to talk to cops at all because cops are trained to twist information and stories you give. Has a cop that affirms everything the main guy is talking about. Im not encourging not talking to cops at all time. But for those of you out there that get into trouble maybe not saying anything to a cop at certain times can be beneficial. I know I learned a lot from watching this video.

O yeah props to you for standing your ground. Everyone should know the appropiate times to express your rights to law enforcement otherwise they will take advantage of you.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i8z7NC5sgik

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=08fZQWjDVKE

[downshift_sideways]

We'll you see^

That is correct. Most likely anything you say can and most likely be used against you in the court of Law.

However. It all depends on how you take the approach when an officer asks you a question.

Here is a fact. Cop's have ways to make you convict yourself of wrongful doing. They will ask you 101 questions..and use the only contradicting statement you answer. However.

what you want to do. Is play the question game.

They ask you a question You'd don't admit or consent to anything, but follow up on a question.

Lets say a cop pulls you over. And asks..

"Son you know why I pulled you over right?"

^At that time being he's trying to make you justify by yourself why he pulled you over.

The correct thing to do. Is answer back in the form of a question.

"Why Did you Pull me over for officer?"

By using this method you DO NOT CONSENT Yourself to whatever reason you think why he pulled you over..Even if you were speeding..wreckless driving etc.

Lets say the officer says.

"You were speeding..going 40 mph in a 25 mph zone."

Practice the 5th amendment. and not say a word...

Eventually the cop will follow up with standard procedure asking you for your license. registration and proof of insurance etc.

Let's say the cop suspects you have a gun or illegal narcotics in your car..
because he see's he thinks that your eye's are bloodshot.

and the cop ask's.

"Are you intoxicated or under the influence of any drugs".


Answer back with a question!

"Why would you assume that officer?"

Let him give you the reason why...By giving cops a question when they give you a question does help.

Let's say..the officer says.

"Step out of the vehicle". (always follow what an officer asks..but be smart and not a dickhead and always be courteous..)

(Even if you have narcotics and you are guilty and lying to the officer. NEVER CONSENT to a search. NEVER! an officer cannot search your car without a warrant. OR PROBABLE Cause. Seeing a beer bottle in the car. opened or un-opened is enough cause for the officer to detain you and search your car for any weapons or narcotics.)

Usually at this point the officer will try to play a mind game with you, so you can allow him to search the car.

Say the officer asks "Can I search your vehicle for any blah blah blah"

SAY "NO! I do not contest in any searches or seizure amongst my property without a warrant". <- That line always works!

why say no? Because he is not stating why or any cause for him to even search through your possesions. Most people are scared to say "NO" to the police officer. and even they it is not in their jurisdiction to perform a search in the first place.

He pulled you over for speeding remember?

Say.

"Officer you stated that you pulled me over for speeding. can we please follow up on the reason why you pulled me over. and May I be dismissed?".

After saying that. The cops knows that you know your shit. and HAS to follow the standard procedure by calling or inserting in your information to dispatch. Hopefully no warrants come up and you should be on your way with a nice ticket in your hand...and a big ego knowing you pwned the officer.

It does help to talk to police...but be smart what words you do use.

Our rights are given to us for a reason. So that the government does not abuse it's power.

[FaLKoN240]

Some of you oming in here and judging Anthony without asking what he did, and without prior knowledge of what he did are messed up.

Sure he has illegal substances in his house, but I'm sure none of you are angels.

Not to mention whether it be a good or bad one, that's his choice he's willing to take a chance on going to jail that's his deal.

Take the post on this board for what it is, a heads up, not a lifestyle projection onto yourself.

He didn't make the thread title: Come inside and make preconceived assumptions about me, he was simply trying to pass on some good knowledge and advice.

He did do the smart thing by leading the cops attention away from him and more onto what they came to his house for.

I'm not much of a party animal but knowing stuff like this is good to know for house search.

[DreamN]

^ ditto. there is some good info here. thanks for the informative posts Anthony. The vids Norcal_Black240 posted are damn good too. Only watched a bit of the 2nd one, but I'll be sure to watch it later.

[downshift_sideways]

^Exactly.

Scott hit the nail dead on.

Just looking out for you cats.

I throw lots of parties. Most do not have marijuana. Unfortunately this one did...so I had to cover things up.

I bet your neighors love you. :ugh:

Should've got caught, but that's okay, they're on to you. :hsdance:

I always give my neighbors a headsup on any gathering at my house.

and they are always invited. The neighbors that complained lived behind me across the street. (Hondaboy pricks)

[C. Senor]

why dont you just not have nothing illegal. then you wouldnt have to try to get out of anything. but...

credit to op. most people (especially young people) dont know how to act, talk, interact with cops which always lead to i hate cops threads. what he did was smart. sure maybe he slipped once, but that's what made him more knowledgeable now (that's why he wears those non-slip boots). he's what i see as an example for the rest of us. thanks to him, a bunch of people that did not know stuff like that, now know.

[DALAZ_68]

Some of you oming in here and judging Anthony without asking what he did, and without prior knowledge of what he did are messed up.

Sure he has illegal substances in his house, but I'm sure none of you are angels.

Not to mention whether it be a good or bad one, that's his choice he's willing to take a chance on going to jail that's his deal.

Take the post on this board for what it is, a heads up, not a lifestyle projection onto yourself.

He didn't make the thread title: Come inside and make preconceived assumptions about me, he was simply trying to pass on some good knowledge and advice.

He did do the smart thing by leading the cops attention away from him and more onto what they came to his house for.

I'm not much of a party animal but knowing stuff like this is good to know for house search.
fuck yes fuck yes...this is info for young fuck who later down the road would have bitch otherwise and create a bunch of useless ''we hate cops'' crap threads...knowing ur shit is half the battle in any situation...knowledge is power :rawk:

[yokotas13]

the moral of the story

dont do illegal shit
let the cop look through your shit
dont be a dickhead to the cop (which you are doing politely) and piss him off

all he had to say was he could smell the pot. thats it. probable cause for a warrant.

If i get pulled over and a cop wants to search my car, more fucking power to him. If it will get him out of my hair faster im all about it.

BUT im not one to have illegal items....or really to have ever used ANY illegal substances at all. My parents did their job in advising me not to.

[DALAZ_68]

the moral of the story

dont do illegal shit
let the cop look through your shit
dont be a dickhead to the cop (which you are doing politely) and piss him off

all he had to say was he could smell the pot. thats it. probable cause for a warrant.

If i get pulled over and a cop wants to search my car, more fucking power to him. If it will get him out of my hair faster im all about it.

BUT im not one to have illegal items....or really to have ever used ANY illegal substances at all. My parents did their job in advising me not to.
nah i have to say the moral of the story is know ur shit...atleast thats how i took it...


and +rep for ur rents:bow:

[yokotas13]

BUT, the REAL problem here is Why would you give the police officer a hard time?

I mean, if he wasnt doing anything questionable, why even care. THe whole reason he HAD to do this was becuase there was an incriminating circumstance within his house that if the police were to search, he could get screwed.

I mean, if he had NOTHING wrong in the house, a simple "Yes officer, take a look" would have sufficed, and in HALF the time, he could have gone back to sippin on gin an juice. I mean, really, all this is seriously is a post on how to get over on the law and continue breaking it.

[DALAZ_68]

BUT, the REAL problem here is Why would you give the police officer a hard time?

I mean, if he wasnt doing anything questionable, why even care. THe whole reason he HAD to do this was becuase there was an incriminating circumstance within his house that if the police were to search, he could get screwed.

I mean, if he had NOTHING wrong in the house, a simple "Yes officer, take a look" would have sufficed, and in HALF the time, he could have gone back to sippin on gin an juice. I mean, really, all this is seriously is a post on how to get over on the law and continue breaking it. true but then what if someone had somthing he didnt know about...I.E. harsher drugs or weapons hidden on themselves...all i know is...if some one has something hidden and i get in trouble because of there stupidity i would be fucken pissed...i know ive had moments when my friends have bud on them and i fear the cops...i doubt ur friends are perfect enough that u can say 100%uve never been worried...or been at a place that everyone was 100% sure thing clean and dry...

im taking this info as CYA info nothing more...

[yokotas13]

i dont know about you
but i dont hang out with people taht deal with drugs or weapons.
at all
literally

and if i hear that someone around me IS...i leave
im a laq abiding citizen when it comes to stuff non car related

[g6civcx]

Questions:

1) Have you graduated from law school and have you passed the bar in any state?

2) Why did you admit to having illegal substances in the house in your post?

[cgtdream]

Thanks for the informative post. Information like this, irregardless of the usage, needs to be more widespread, esp these days, when many fear our rights are being stolen from us.....and thats a whole nother topic, lol....thanks bro, and continue fighting the man :rawk:

[SHIFT_*grind*]

I mean, really, all this is seriously is a post on how to get over on the law and continue breaking it.

Wanted to quote this so it doesn't get lost in the middle of all the "fuck the man" posts.

[FaLKoN240]

I don't break the law aside from traffic laws myself, I don't drink, or smoke drugs.

But there are people in the world, people on this board, and people that I know that do drugs and stuff.

Some didn't do that when I met them, but I'm not going to stop being their friend because of their own decision to have a lifestyle change. That's not my place, either way, that's their decision.

Some people need advice like this Grant, I'm in no way condoning it.

Who are we to judge people? Just because the gov't says that doing something is wrong, when it's their own personal destruction of choice, does that make it wrong?

[cc4usmc]

You know what i get from this thread? Info on how to keep police officers from taking advantage of their power and abusing my rights. Wether or not you have anything illegal or not is up to you, but defending your rights is just that, your right.

[shmiddy]

this is probly the single most coolest thread i'v read in a long time! i always wanted to pwn a cop but iv been foggy about my rights as far as searching and bullshit like that but thanx for clearing that up +1000000000

[drift freaq]

the moral of the story

dont do illegal shit
let the cop look through your shit
dont be a dickhead to the cop (which you are doing politely) and piss him off

all he had to say was he could smell the pot. thats it. probable cause for a warrant.

If i get pulled over and a cop wants to search my car, more fucking power to him. If it will get him out of my hair faster im all about it.

BUT im not one to have illegal items....or really to have ever used ANY illegal substances at all. My parents did their job in advising me not to.

Grant, while your reasoning here might sound correct. There is a unmentioned fact, that raises a flaw in your above statements. I might add, I do not know what part of the country you came from, before you shipped off to Japan Grant.

I do know that here in Los Angeles, the cops are prone to violate basic constitutional rights from time to time. I am not saying all cops but it can and does happen.

You can be perfectly polite to Cops in Los Angeles and they will just run right over your shit.
You can have nothing of substance in your vehicle or reason for them to search, yet they will. I have had this happen.
Years ago, San Jose Police did it as well. I was not speeding, I was not doing anything to violate the law. In fact the cops had to keep me there, while they figured out a possible violation to write me up for.

In a ideal world, in certain parts of the country this does not happen, in lower income area's and big cities it does. Cops in large cities act like scared animals in a siege state.
They do not think about a individuals rights. They just think about finding and proving violations of the law. They are technically, scared of the public they police.

To back that up, I live in one of the best Neighborhoods in Los Angeles, yet I have had cops tell me, they would not live in the City of LA! Though they patrol it and are here to protect me the citizen.
Wow real lot of confidence in them doing the right thing, when they view my City so negatively. Every City has its bad parts, though to blanket label it in such a manner, is a failure on their part.

Saying you do not use illegal substances because your parents advised you not to is glossing over your ignorance of basic substance use and or addictive behavior.
A person prone to becoming a Alcoholic or addictive drug user does not choose to be in that way in the end. The Disease drives their will to use. They will do anything and everything to use regardless of people telling them not or its bad for you.
Oh and do not start in with the old fashioned crap of them being weak or weak willed. Alcoholics and drug addicts are some of the strongest willed people on the planet. Their will is what keeps them going to any lengths to get the substance.

P.S. I just had to add that because your statement about drug or Alcohol use was spoken like a true Normal person. Who has no concept of the whole Disease.

[spoolandslide]

for those who criticize others for having illegal drugs or breaking the law and
"treating the cops like a dick"

your missing the point

all downshift is trying to say is if you dont want a cop in your house, you dont have to let him

if you handle your shit well, then you come out of it clean

[sillyvia13]

i dont know about you
but i dont hang out with people taht deal with drugs or weapons.
at all
literally

and if i hear that someone around me IS...i leave
im a laq abiding citizen when it comes to stuff non car related


HAHAHHAHAH
this is said from a aircraft mech....lol...
you fix planes to drop bombs....lol...

Your post, are well, fitting to you...

If a cops wants to come into my place, home , shop, or whatever...
WARRANT or nothing...eat a dick...you aint playing me.

Cops are very good at making you guilty of what ever crime they see fit...
NO DOUBT!

things to say to police.
1. Am I being detained?
yes...shut up and wait to get bailed SAY NOTHING>
no...reply #2.
2. Am I free to go?
Yes..peace out dont look back....
no? repeat #1.

real easy...
dont say anything...AT ALL!
where you going? am I being detained?
do you know you had been speeding? am I being detained?

they want you in jail...guilty or not...money money money!

Military peeps seem to have a different reality than non...
interesting...not bad , just not what I would think...

Tools get jdm parts from tools.

[iluvpandas4]

They ask you a question You'd don't admit or consent to anything, but follow up on a question.

Lets say a cop pulls you over. And asks..

"Son you know why I pulled you over right?"

^At that time being he's trying to make you justify by yourself why he pulled you over.

The correct thing to do. Is answer back in the form of a question.

"Why Did you Pull me over for officer?"

By using this method you DO NOT CONSENT Yourself to whatever reason you think why he pulled you over..Even if you were speeding..wreckless driving etc.



I remember my driver's ed teacher teaching us this stuff. I have yet to use it against a copper though, since I'm usually only driving with my grandmother in the passenger seat nowadays and riding my moped everywhere else lol.

[SHIFT_*grind*]

A person prone to becoming a Alcoholic or addictive drug user does not choose to be in that way in the end.

Wrong.

Being an alcoholic isn't like having leukemia. As easy as it may be to continue drinking, and as hard as it may be to stop, an alcoholic chooses to drink, chooses to not get the help necessary to stop. He is not forced to. A leukemia patient also chooses to get chemotherapy and countless treatments, but he/she cannot just decide that the cancer is going to stop and have that be the end of it.

There are always steps an alcoholic/drug abuser can take that will eradicate their physical dependence. Those steps may be incredibly difficult, but they're there. It may be even more difficult for some people, if they're genetically predisposed to be susceptible to alcoholism, but those steps are still there. Free will is always there.

The Disease drives their will to use.

True, it does. It doesn't mean that they have no chance of fighting their urges. I'm not saying that substance abusers are all lazy weak-willed degenerates, just that their "disease" isn't in the same category as other diseases. MS, Parkinson's, cancer, lymphoma, alcoholism. Which one doesn't fit?

[rb25_s13*CHUKI]

This is good info to know, But I've given up on being kind or what ever to the police.. I've had too many encounters where the cops are dicks and just fucking plain out suck.. So I give shit to almost any cop for anything! Only one cop i am cool with and that's cause he's local and he help's me work on my 240 from time to time and he's cool as fuck(Even drank with him a few times. Other cops fuck them.. You can be polite and cooperate fully and they still shit on you. So why not give them a hard time? Unless u can tell the cop is actually cool. And who cares what Anthony has done It's on him! He knows what he did and doesn't need anyone else judging him. It's a party! Sometime u can throw a party with no intention of drugs being present but more than half the time it never happens. Someone will always bring drugs into the picture.. This is really good info that is good to know and i might use some of his methods in my next encounter. Question a question

[downshift_sideways]

all he had to say was he could smell the pot. thats it. probable cause for a warrant.

If i get pulled over and a cop wants to search my car, more fucking power to him. If it will get him out of my hair faster im all about it.

So your first sentence automatically assumes that we were smoking "pot".

which in doubt the drug was present at the party, however was not burned.

For you to allow the police to search your vehicle without any hesitation...Means that you will most likely be the one's that take it up the ass in prison without hesitation. Guys like you are the one's who pay my food cards when doing time.

BUT, the REAL problem here is Why would you give the police officer a hard time?

I mean, if he wasnt doing anything questionable, why even care. THe whole reason he HAD to do this was becuase there was an incriminating circumstance within his house that if the police were to search, he could get screwed.

I mean, if he had NOTHING wrong in the house, a simple "Yes officer, take a look" would have sufficed, and in HALF the time, he could have gone back to sippin on gin an juice. I mean, really, all this is seriously is a post on how to get over on the law and continue breaking it.

With that statement there shows me that you most likely never been to a house party..or haven't had one of your own.

Why allow a police officer to enter your house? Why? It's our rights as citizens to refuse. WE THE PEOPLE created the constitution for a reason...but your over there in Japan...so it doesn't mean shit to you.

i dont know about you
but i dont hang out with people taht deal with drugs or weapons.
at all
literally.
and if i hear that someone around me IS...i leave
im a laq abiding citizen when it comes to stuff non car related.http://i246.photobucket.com/albums/gg96/yomomma241/frinns/geek.gif


Hahahahhaah. Where I'm from and live at..Drugs,crimes,weapon everything of that nature is present. You can't live around it..


Anyways. Grant I do not know you, and you do not know a damn shit about me.

Just leave this thread, and take your opinion with you.




Questions:

1) Have you graduated from law school and have you passed the bar in any state?

2) Why did you admit to having illegal substances in the house in your post?

1.) I have not graduated from Law school, but being in and out of state penitentiary's and city jails. There are classes that are offered to the inmates to learn their rights. It's something every inmate knows. You'll be very surprised on how much an inmate knows about laws, sections and codes. They can break it down to the exact number in the book. These classes show the D.E. that you're getting back on the right track...and adds onto your "goodtime" served. which essentially helps your probation or parole.

2.) Why not admit? Why do I need to hide that issue? Most likely 40% of the members on this board..do drugs, have been afilliated with drugs, or alcohol.
I'm just being real. It is what it is. People can judge me...That's fine. That's another persons opinion.

[rb25_s13*CHUKI]

^^^ :keke::werd: .... Hey puto! Give me chon chon!!

[yokotas13]

Saying you do not use illegal substances because your parents advised you not to is glossing over your ignorance of basic substance use and or addictive behavior.
A person prone to becoming a Alcoholic or addictive drug user does not choose to be in that way in the end. The Disease drives their will to use. They will do anything and everything to use regardless of people telling them not or its bad for you.
Oh and do not start in with the old fashioned crap of them being weak or weak willed. Alcoholics and drug addicts are some of the strongest willed people on the planet. Their will is what keeps them going to any lengths to get the substance.

P.S. I just had to add that because your statement about drug or Alcohol use was spoken like a true Normal person. Who has no concept of the whole Disease.

its not a disease if you dont start.
its a disease once you start, become addicted.

dont start, wont happen.

PS
im from Myrtle Beach, SC heh

[yokotas13]

HAHAHHAHAH
this is said from a aircraft mech....lol...
you fix planes to drop bombs....lol...


incorrect
i fix planes that 90% of the time fly relief missions to distaster laden places, or drop people into warzones, or disaster areas.

i dont think anyone has actually ever used a moab from a C-130 yet

[g6civcx]

1.) I have not graduated from Law school, but being in and out of state penitentiary's and city jails. There are classes that are offered to the inmates to learn their rights. It's something every inmate knows. You'll be very surprised on how much an inmate knows about laws, sections and codes. They can break it down to the exact number in the book. These classes show the D.E. that you're getting back on the right track...and adds onto your "goodtime" served. which essentially helps your probation or parole.

2.) Why not admit? Why do I need to hide that issue? Most likely 40% of the members on this board..do drugs, have been afilliated with drugs, or alcohol.
I'm just being real. It is what it is. People can judge me...That's fine. That's another persons opinion.

I never said you need to hide any issue. I was simply asking why you chose to do what you did.

Thanks for answering my questions.

[spoolandslide]

basically

you can take what hes saying into the general context of being questioned by the police altogether

lets take an extreme case senario like...

-a knife that was strategically placed in the ceiling fell onto your landlords head and killed him

-the police come to you and say "you fucking killed your landlord asshole!"

-you know your rights and say "is there any motive behind killing my landlord because i have been out of town and have the hotel recipt to prove it and that guy was actually a good friend of mine

-police say "we still want to question you"

- you be like "ya'know what broski, im pretty sad actually that he died and i have no clue what even happened i was out of town and would now like to know when the funeral will be"

then you will be in the clear and nobody will know about Mr.Jenkins :rofl: :axe:

[downshift_sideways]

^That would work.

However you would be the lead suspect in the murder.

You've already talked to much. However. If you are genuinely innocent.

You will be okay.

[Farzam]

I know a guy who reminds me a lot of Anthony...and now he's in jail. He thought knowing what lines to say what help him but he was too busy thinking of what to say to realize there was pot smoke viewable through his cracked window. They searched his place, found an ounce, a bunch of paraphanelia, and now he's not a very happy camper.

[spoolandslide]

thats where getting sloppy comes into play....

[downshift_sideways]

I knew this one guy like farzam.

Used to skate on my street all the time...Tried to come into one of my parties uninvited...and hit on my girlfriends best friend.. I ended up breaking his deck across his back...I got arrested for that..and he moved away.

stupid boy.

[Mi Beardo es Loco]

the moral of the story is to know your rights. Pick your fights. If you think you're being unfairly picked on by police then it is your constitutional right to defend yourself. If you have nothing to hide and the cop isn't being an ass then you should oblige always followed with "I'm sorry officer, I've learned my lesson. Can you find it in your heart to let me off with a warning." It'll save you some money and less trouble for the police officer.
Now, cops have a way with words though (kinda off-topic). Anyone see that 14 year old cop be convinced by the cops that he murdered his mom while sleep walking because he doesn't remember it happening at all? Even though he had a tight alibi they convicted him of murder because of the confession. He was in jail for like 3 years until they finally let him out. Shits crazy man. Just watch yourself.

[Mi Beardo es Loco]

I knew this one guy like farzam.

Used to skate on my street all the time...Tried to come into one of my parties uninvited...and hit on my girlfriends best friend.. I ended up breaking his deck across his back...I got arrested for that..and he moved away.

stupid boy.

again, another off topic.
One of my best friends was in the middle of a much traveled street (foothill blvd aka route 66) and a little baby walked across the street without his parents watching him. His parents left the door open and the baby walked out of the house and stepped into the street. My friend didn't see the baby and hit him, tragically he passed from the injury. My friend realized what happened and parked about 2 houses away and was in shock. A cop went to his car and he was bent over crying because of what happened. They arrested him for hit and run because he didn't walk back 2 houses to assist. He got 6 months in jail. He wasn't speeding at all. He was actually getting ready to go to Europe when all this happened. Crazy stuff man. But not only did the courts not do anything to the dumbass parents but they convicted the wrong man for being human and for being in shock.

[KA-T_240]

Good points to some of the things said in this thread. I have learned my lessons with the police. I have been pulled over many times for many completely BS reasons. Always being polite and not being cocky to the cops will get you a long way. I know my rights, I will use them when I want to. Sometime times, using them can turn around to bite you in the ass soon after.


The one thing that I do not like is how lately the cops are always asking for IDs for everyone else in the car.

[DRavenS13]

I started to write this long ass story, but I'll just cut to the point.

Don't judge people- you're not perfect either.

This is good advice, take it.

It doesn't matter if you have something illegal in your house/car or not, they do not have the right to search you without a valid reason.

[svensko]

I started to write this long ass story, but I'll just cut to the point.

Don't judge people- you're not perfect either.

This is good advice, take it.

It doesn't matter if you have something illegal in your house/car or not, they do not have the right to search you without a valid reason.

I'm a convicted felon..with a 4 way search clause meaning that I have have given up my constitutional rights and am allowed searches and seizures by any officer during time of detainment

:aw: Are you serious?

[downshift_sideways]

^It's all good.

Lets not turn the direction of this thread.

It was meant to give you guy's a heads-up.

I can give a fuck what people say. I like to party. I'm sure most of you do...

This thread was meant to set an example on how to handle a situation.

If this thread gets diverted again....I don't mind closing it.

Funny how people like svensko. Scums/lurkers of zilvia..who I've never seen in all my years on zilvia like to jump in and say shit. Along with Grant.

[sillyvia13]

^It's all good.

Lets not turn the direction of this thread.

It was meant to give you guy's a heads-up.

I can give a fuck what people say. I like to party. I'm sure most of you do...

This thread was meant to set an example on how to handle a situation.

If this thread gets diverted again....I don't mind closing it.

Funny how people like svensko. Scums/lurkers of zilvia..who I've never seen in all my years on zilvia like to jump in and say shit. Along with Grant.

real quick question, If I came to your door and asked to puff that blizza in your avatar? would you invite me in? or would I need a warrant?
Cause I often do that, Snoop and I are scavanger smokers! you know my kind...never got a bag but always ready to puff...lol.

[ESmorz]

real quick question, If I came to your door and asked to puff that blizza in your avatar? would you invite me in? or would I need a warrant?
Cause I often do that, Snoop and I are scavanger smokers! you know my kind...never got a bag but always ready to puff...lol.

Never pick up strays.

Especially in this economy

:keke:

[downshift_sideways]

real quick question, If I came to your door and asked to puff that blizza in your avatar? would you invite me in? or would I need a warrant?
Cause I often do that, Snoop and I are scavanger smokers! you know my kind...never got a bag but always ready to puff...lol.

I would smoke you out..if I knew you.

[DohcKA]

ant operated smoothly... beast

[sillyvia13]

I would smoke you out..if I knew you.

lol...coo...
I will be holding when I pound on ya door.

[GSXRJJordan]

Yup, those ACLU vids (I'm assuming that's what got posted on the first page) are great. Sure, they cater to those who are most likely guilty and would like to not get caught, but you only need to get fucked bad by cops once to never want to give them an inch in any conversation. Know your rights, don't make it easy for them to get you.

I will say that having your papers legit and having a 'clean' record (in the state you're being arrested/pulled over in) goes a long way - they profile ex-cons/etc because those people are the most likely to break the law again, and the facts back that up... but that doesn't make it right.

And you know what? Personal drug use is no reason to do time. Honestly. But having anything on you as an ex-con will get you time... it's lame to the max.

[dynamicck]

You guys should check out this video cause it sorta relates to the subject of your rights and knowing the law. (Its long but def. def. worth to watch) Its pretty much a video saying why it does not pay off to talk to cops at all because cops are trained to twist information and stories you give. Has a cop that affirms everything the main guy is talking about. Im not encourging not talking to cops at all time. But for those of you out there that get into trouble maybe not saying anything to a cop at certain times can be beneficial. I know I learned a lot from watching this video.

O yeah props to you for standing your ground. Everyone should know the appropiate times to express your rights to law enforcement otherwise they will take advantage of you.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i8z7NC5sgik

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=08fZQWjDVKE


That video is the truth!!

Dont ever talk to the cops. Miranda warning "Anything you say can and will be used against you in a court of law."
It never said "will HELP you in the a court of law"

Letting cops search anything is dumb period. Good job OP

[jskateborders]

I love how everyone bandwagon picks on the guy with already bad rep, and doesnt say anything about grant. I guess fearing neg-rep is one way to go.
Its not neg rep fearing, yea hes being dumb by having illegal substances, and more so because hes a convicted felon. Was he hurting anyone? NO. It Pisses me the fuck off when people like to see other people get in trouble, or "tattle" just to feel important. Like in school when a kid gets in trouble for something and they are like, well tommy did this. Way to go dumb bitch, now you are both getting in trouble, I hope it really does help you sleep at night seeing tommy get in trouble too.

[PhilthyS13]

im a law abiding citizen when it comes to stuff non car related

Is that any better than "I'm a law abiding citizen when it comes to stuff non-drug related?" Breaking the law is breaking the law. Period.

People need to get off their high horses because everyone breaks some laws at some point.

[4thHorse]

Another vid for back up
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yqMjMPlXzdA

[flip3d]

I support law enforcement. If they came over during a party, I'd invite them in.

[murda-c]

Its not neg rep fearing, yea hes being dumb by having illegal substances, and more so because hes a convicted felon. Was he hurting anyone? NO. It Pisses me the fuck off when people like to see other people get in trouble, or "tattle" just to feel important. Like in school when a kid gets in trouble for something and they are like, well tommy did this. Way to go dumb bitch, now you are both getting in trouble, I hope it really does help you sleep at night seeing tommy get in trouble too.


I'll rat you out if it'll get me somewhere and i don't care about you.

[downshift_sideways]

Stay on topic please.

Any other informative information is more than welcomed here.

Lets converse about our rights.

[nrgotenks]

Another vid for back up
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yqMjMPlXzdA

All sounded so familiar... its like I just read about it...

[downshift_sideways]

^Wow.

I just watched that video.

That is fucking scary. dead on in my situation.

[drift freaq]

Wrong.

Being an alcoholic isn't like having leukemia. As easy as it may be to continue drinking, and as hard as it may be to stop, an alcoholic chooses to drink, chooses to not get the help necessary to stop. He is not forced to. A leukemia patient also chooses to get chemotherapy and countless treatments, but he/she cannot just decide that the cancer is going to stop and have that be the end of it.

There are always steps an alcoholic/drug abuser can take that will eradicate their physical dependence. Those steps may be incredibly difficult, but they're there. It may be even more difficult for some people, if they're genetically predisposed to be susceptible to alcoholism, but those steps are still there. Free will is always there.


Ah excuse me? You obviously have not been pre med or medical school. Not only is it a disease its listed by the AMA as a disease. Plus to back it up, There is a Genelogical difference between a Alcoholic and a non Alcoholic person. This is all on the medical books and take it from someone that is a recovering one, I know what the fuck I am talking about. You who aren't do not.

Oh and there you go with the free will thing. Free will is what drives the alcoholic to drink. They stop drinking by surrendering it to spirituality. This can only happen when one of two things happen. They have a moment of clarity from the drug induced or alcoholic stupor and realize they do not want the destruction. Or they reach a severe bottom. At which point one of two other things usually happens. They either wind up killing their body with the abuse or they decide to surrender their free will and seek help.
By what you posted, I can tell you have absolutely no knowledge of the recovery world, and what people in recovery really do to stay in recovery, either that or your a Scientologist i.e. you believe anything can be fixed even homosexuality. :rofl:
Fact is Alcoholism and drug addiction( they are the same disease) are disease and that is medically documented. It is a disease that is aided by a persons free will. It is also a disease that requires a daily commitment to letting go of your will and giving it up to a higher power. Be it a group of people or a deity or whatever. All recovery places use a spiritual program for the recovery.

[QUOTE=yokotas13;2161516]
its not a disease if you dont start.
its a disease once you start, become addicted.

dont start, wont happen.
[QUOTE/]


ah another ignorant Normie , sorry Grant, Nancy Reagan is stuck in your brain, your part of the stupid slogan "Just say No" generation. Its a genetically related disease and thats documented.

P.S. Oh and I don't regret my disease, it brought me to where I am today spiritually and I am grateful for that. I am not talking about Religion here either. Spirituality and Religion are two different things.

[Rob's S14]

Wow, can't believe some of the posts in this thread. I guess that's what happens when you try to help people.

To the OP...some good info. Although I may never need it, it's nice to know. I do use this on a regular basis when I'm pulled over though. I've been pulled over plenty of times and never actually get tickets (perfect record) Cops usually just try to harass me and even if I did let them search my car or pop my hood they wouldn't find anything (stock ka) but it gets real old when I'm being stopped because I'm driving in too nice a neighborhood.

Everybody makes mistakes and that's ok as long as you learn from them.

[mRclARK1]

Ah excuse me? You obviously have not been pre med or medical school. Not only is it a disease its listed by the AMA as a disease. Plus to back it up, There is a Genelogical difference between a Alcoholic and a non Alcoholic person its a disease determined by DNA. This is all on the medical books and take it from someone that is a recovering one, I know what the fuck I am talking about. You who aren't do not.

ah another ignorant Normie , sorry Grant, Nancy Reagan is stuck in your
brain, your part of the stupid slogan "Just say No" generation. Its a genetically related disease and thats documented.

There is a genetic factor in alcohol addiction yes. Is it a genetic disease? No it is not. A genetic disease or disorder is related specifically to a genetic or chromosonal defect or abnormality. An example would be Cystic Fibrosis, one of the most common. About 5% of people carry the gene necessary to pass it on (That however does not mean they will)

Certain genetic factors play a role in influencing a persons alcoholism. Specifically genetic factors that interact with bodily and mental processes to create susceptibility or a more likely disposition to become addicted.

There is also a genetic test that exists for a factor that is related to alcoholism and also opiate addiction. Dopamine receptors have a detectable specific genetic variation and those who possess this variation (classified as the DRD2 Taq I polymorphism) have a small tendency towards addiction to opiates and endorphin releasing drugs, of which alcohol is one. Even though the variation is slightly more common in alcoholics and drug addicts, it is not considered a prediction, cause or diagnosis of alcohol addiction. It's only a slight genetic factor which is not a cause in of itself. Many alcoholics test negative for this factor.

Most studies still show that alcoholism does not have a single cause, but is a combination of psychological, social and certain biological processes, as well as certain elements of past experience with alcohol and to a small extent some genetic factors.

FYI, that's 95% my old roomie telling me what to type.

She's a final year med student.

[downshift_sideways]

Once again...

Let stay on topic.

Please take the alcohol subject to PM or AIM.

Seems like everyone has those mm2's.

[drift freaq]

There is a genetic factor in alcohol addiction yes. Is it a genetic disease? No it is not. A genetic disease or disorder is related specifically to a genetic or chromosonal defect or abnormality. An example would be Cystic Fibrosis, one of the most common. About 5% of people carry the gene necessary to pass it on (That however does not mean they will)

Certain genetic factors play a role in influencing a persons alcoholism. Specifically genetic factors that interact with bodily and mental processes to create susceptibility or a more likely disposition to become addicted.

There is also a genetic test that exists for a factor that is related to alcoholism and also opiate addiction. Dopamine receptors have a detectable specific genetic variation and those who possess this variation (classified as the DRD2 Taq I polymorphism) have a small tendency towards addiction to opiates and endorphin releasing drugs, of which alcohol is one. Even though the variation is slightly more common in alcoholics and drug addicts, it is not considered a prediction, cause or diagnosis of alcohol addiction. It's only a slight genetic factor which is not a cause in of itself. Many alcoholics test negative for this factor.

Most studies still show that alcoholism does not have a single cause, but is a combination of psychological, social and certain biological processes, as well as certain elements of past experience with alcohol and to a small extent some genetic factors.

FYI, that's 95% my old roomie telling me what to type.

She's a final year med student.

Thank you for that informative post and correcting my one mistake of saying its a Genetic disease. A Med student would know the accurate terminology. Though People with alcoholic relatives and parts seem to have the Genetic marker and seem to be more prone to alcoholism. Which does seem to fly in the face of what the textbooks say. None the less Genetics can play a role, and unlike what the poster I quoted said its not a simple decision to not use.

sorry Anthony if this was one more off the topic post. I just wanted to thank and clarify.

[niSm095]

i dont think anyone has actually ever used a moab from a C-130 yet

aren't AC-130's built on that platform? Those things bring the hurt bigtime...

OP...more tips please. very informative.

[mrs.drift33]

.................................................. ...

[mrs.drift33]

wait wait wait

lets reasses this
your a felon
your a dumbass and have illegal stuff in yoru house


in a way i wish you woudl have gotten caught
you obviously didnt learn your lesson the first time
the moral of the story

dont do illegal shit
let the cop look through your shit
dont be a dickhead to the cop (which you are doing politely) and piss him off

all he had to say was he could smell the pot. thats it. probable cause for a warrant.

If i get pulled over and a cop wants to search my car, more fucking power to him. If it will get him out of my hair faster im all about it.

BUT im not one to have illegal items....or really to have ever used ANY illegal substances at all. My parents did their job in advising me not to.

BUT, the REAL problem here is Why would you give the police officer a hard time?

I mean, if he wasnt doing anything questionable, why even care. THe whole reason he HAD to do this was becuase there was an incriminating circumstance within his house that if the police were to search, he could get screwed.

I mean, if he had NOTHING wrong in the house, a simple "Yes officer, take a look" would have sufficed, and in HALF the time, he could have gone back to sippin on gin an juice. I mean, really, all this is seriously is a post on how to get over on the law and continue breaking it.

i dont know about you
but i dont hang out with people taht deal with drugs or weapons.
at all
literally

and if i hear that someone around me IS...i leave
im a laq abiding citizen when it comes to stuff non car related

its not a disease if you dont start.
its a disease once you start, become addicted.

dont start, wont happen.

PS
im from Myrtle Beach, SC heh

incorrect
i fix planes that 90% of the time fly relief missions to distaster laden places, or drop people into warzones, or disaster areas.

i dont think anyone has actually ever used a moab from a C-130 yet

Grant i think you fail to understand the different situation that people are in. me being the Los Angeles community. (I am speaking personally what i notice around my community in LA)

I have spent most of my life living in cities where the majority of people are Hispanic. And i have experience police corruption first hand, and my Right have been broken several times.

One of my experiences most relevant to the nissans

Just a few months ago me and my boyfriend drove into a denny's, We pulled in parked and begin to walk towards the entrance. A squad car pulls up and cuts our route. A white male officers exits the squad car and rushed my boyfriend onto the hood of the car. Empties out his pockets and handcuffs him, then places him face down on the asphalt . He then continues and handcuffs me and puts me in the back of the squad car.
(please remember The officer is being really impolite yelling and tossing our personal property around looking though my purse)

With still no reason why we where pulled over he begins to search our car without permission. Poping the hood, looking threw glove box you name it.

After about 15 minutes he returns.
Take in mind my bf is still face first on the ground. (yes very pissed)

He then returns and notifies us that he pulled us over for modified exhaust as his backup arrives.

He then puts both of us in the back of the squad car and runs our records.
At this point my bf begins to argue with the officers over the search of the vehicle and the treatment over a exhaust ticket. No reply.

The backup (2 more officers) Begin to take multiple pictures of the engine bay and interior of the car. ect.

While this is going on a onfoot pedestrian walking about 20 ft away, gets called in by the same officer as us. He then handcuffs him and begings to question him. The male then replies yes to being on parole. He then shoves him into the other squad car.

After about 20 more min he releases us with a modified exhaust ticket and a state ref.

These officers are here to "protect and serve"
...............................................

Now has anything like that ever happened to you? or any family? its all cream puff in the hills buddy.

Most convicted felons are just regular people that fall into the system, It is not hard to fall in. Do not be a stereo type.


Sounds like you are in a totally different world witch is good. But it still doesn't mean everyone has it like you.

Just my two cents, just sounds like your picking at a totally different ball game.

[rb25_s13*CHUKI]

Yokokata. Everything might be all lala land and happy time:ghey: where u are at but over here cops fuckin suck. 2 night ago i was with my friend in his s14 and his buddy pulled up in a s13 and said what's up:blah: side by side. We both turn the corner and next thing we know sirens come flying around the corner and pull over me and my friend.

He came up saying we were street racing,he seen us side by side going at it. We were going 100+ Which no fuckin way we were doing that. So he pulls my friend out of the car site hims down and is talking his tuff guy bitch police talk. Mind u he kept me in the car cause he knows me(I've told this cop to take off his badge more than once and he's a lil bitch about it) he walks up and starts talking about the people i hang out with are bad and I'm a bad kid :blah::blah::blah:.

So after all this he tells me i can leave,I ask about my friend and his car and he says the car is going to be towed. I replied saying my house is like 2 mins away can't i just drive it there untill his state ref ticket get's taken care of. Cop replied"Did i ask u were ur God damn house was?! Huh". Me being as polite as i can be mind u. So he took my friends car for 30 days and still gave him a state ref ticket.

This same cop has done this to me twice. Once in my evo i didn't have my license on me. So he made me and my 13 year old sister walk home and she had on no shoes. First time i told him to take off his badge so we can handle this shit of course being a bitch he just started ranting on about being officer of the law:blah::blah:.

Other time he pulled me over in my 240 for what? Absolutely nothing! he was trying to tow it so i asked for his squad car and badge number he bitched out so quickly. Took my out slammed me on my hot ass hood searched me cuffed me and my car for nothing. Oh so many more wrong encounters that i could talk about but it would take all day,Oh and before he searched me he said most all hispanics he's stopped have had drugs or a weapon on them so he has to search me cause he doesn't trust them.. So before u judge people on how they are with the police why don't u find out how the police are with us. There are some cool cops but most all can suck it

[dynamicck]

I HATE cops as a whole, but I do like some cops individually. I think as a group, they can be super ignorant and big headed.

No different than how gangsters act, except they can legally carry a gun.

To the ignorant members... just stay in your lil bubble.

[g6civcx]

We all agree that cops don't know all the laws. Nobody does. Not even lawyers and judges, or even the people who pass the laws fully comprehend each and every law.

Anybody who claims to know everything in the law is ignorant or lying.

I am not giving tips, but these are things I picked up after years of dealing with law enforcement:

1) Begin every sentence with "sir"/"m'am" and end every question with "please". It doesn't cost you anything and it can quickly turn a power-tripping cop into a pleasant one. At the very least they won't have grounds to accuse you of being beligerent if the transcript ever shows up in court.

2) If you don't know what to say, don't say anything and ask for a lawyer. They're not supposed to question you any more once you've asked for your lawyer. Consult with your lawyer before making any more statements.

3) When you get pulled over at night, turn on your interior lights and roll down your windows.

4) Keep your hands out of your pockets.

5) If you feel like they're doing wrong, just go along with it and slap a big lawsuit against them later. The less you resist the more money you could potentially get later. The more you cooperate the more sympathetic a judge/jury will be and will probably grant a judgement in your favour.

6) Even if you are guilty, just go along with it and plea out. You'll most likely pay a small fine, do some time, or plea out with probation. If you start running you'll rack up charges real quick, e.g. resisting arrest, felony evasion, assault/attempted murder of peace officer, etc.


With #6, I've seen people go down for drug and evasion charges, and the sentence for the drugs was actually less than the sentence for fleeing. He should not have tried to run, and just plea out the drug charges. Most likely he'll be out on probation the next day.


Do your homework. Read the law. Study case laws. Go to the courthouse and watch public trials.


The way our legal system works is that the cop presents his side with the DA, and you present your side. The judge/jury decides which side is more right.

By the design of the system, the cop will try to cross the line a little bit and let the judge/jury sort it out. The defendant will try to push back a little bit as well.

The system brews this type of conflict by design and there is nothing you can do about it.


Even if you get bad apples, just go with it and sue them. Most likely they'll settle if you have a good case so you shouldn't worry if you're in the clear.

You can: a) yell at them and get beat down, or b) sue them and win.

(a) will probably get you jailtime on top of injury, whereas (b) will get you satisfaction and probably money as well. Plus the arresting officer(s) will get reprimanded.

What would you do?

Use the system against the oppressor. Be safe :)

[murda-c]

You could just kill the bad cops.

[drftmark]

You could just kill the bad cops.

quoted for truth.

[OptionZero]

6) Even if you are guilty, just go along with it and plea out.



I would hesitate to give that sort of blanket advice. A plea forfeits quite a bit and if haphazardly done can have horrible consequences.

Before entering a plea, you better make sure you understand exactly what you are pleading to and the consequences.

If you do not understand, ask your lawyer...twice.

Sign nothing without reading it; answer nothing without thinking.

I work in prosecution and I can appreciate the benefits of the plea bargain system that dominates criminal law, but I am still disgusted by poor defense lawyering in that context. It does no one any good to have shitty lawyers on either "side".

Otherwise I would echo the suggestion that people spend time learning about the laws that govern their society. That is certainly more productive than bitching about them.

[clips]

We'll you see^

That is correct. Most likely anything you say can and most likely be used against you in the court of Law.

However. It all depends on how you take the approach when an officer asks you a question.

Here is a fact. Cop's have ways to make you convict yourself of wrongful doing. They will ask you 101 questions..and use the only contradicting statement you answer. However.

what you want to do. Is play the question game.

They ask you a question You'd don't admit or consent to anything, but follow up on a question.

Lets say a cop pulls you over. And asks..

"Son you know why I pulled you over right?"

^At that time being he's trying to make you justify by yourself why he pulled you over.

The correct thing to do. Is answer back in the form of a question.

"Why Did you Pull me over for officer?"

By using this method you DO NOT CONSENT Yourself to whatever reason you think why he pulled you over..Even if you were speeding..wreckless driving etc.

Lets say the officer says.

"You were speeding..going 40 mph in a 25 mph zone."

Practice the 5th amendment. and not say a word...

Eventually the cop will follow up with standard procedure asking you for your license. registration and proof of insurance etc.

Let's say the cop suspects you have a gun or illegal narcotics in your car..
because he see's he thinks that your eye's are bloodshot.

and the cop ask's.

"Are you intoxicated or under the influence of any drugs".


Answer back with a question!

"Why would you assume that officer?"

Let him give you the reason why...By giving cops a question when they give you a question does help.

Let's say..the officer says.

"Step out of the vehicle". (always follow what an officer asks..but be smart and not a dickhead and always be courteous..)

(Even if you have narcotics and you are guilty and lying to the officer. NEVER CONSENT to a search. NEVER! an officer cannot search your car without a warrant. OR PROBABLE Cause. Seeing a beer bottle in the car. opened or un-opened is enough cause for the officer to detain you and search your car for any weapons or narcotics.)

Usually at this point the officer will try to play a mind game with you, so you can allow him to search the car.

Say the officer asks "Can I search your vehicle for any blah blah blah"

SAY "NO! I do not contest in any searches or seizure amongst my property without a warrant". <- That line always works!

why say no? Because he is not stating why or any cause for him to even search through your possesions. Most people are scared to say "NO" to the police officer. and even they it is not in their jurisdiction to perform a search in the first place.

He pulled you over for speeding remember?

Say.

"Officer you stated that you pulled me over for speeding. can we please follow up on the reason why you pulled me over. and May I be dismissed?".

After saying that. The cops knows that you know your shit. and HAS to follow the standard procedure by calling or inserting in your information to dispatch. Hopefully no warrants come up and you should be on your way with a nice ticket in your hand...and a big ego knowing you pwned the officer.

It does help to talk to police...but be smart what words you do use.

Our rights are given to us for a reason. So that the government does not abuse it's power.

In a perfect world..........You should know as well as anyone(seems like you have some street smarts) that most cops don't follow their own guidelines and knowing the laws won't always help you.


My advice if you have drugs in your car is to hide them well! Well enough to where you are confident as to willingly let a cop search your car. If you say no, you better believe that cop knows something is up and will do anything to get inside your car, usually they will call k-9 backup.

Being inside a house is much different though and you took the right approach.

So hide your shit in the car good, its pretty damn easy to hide a good amount of stuff in a small amount of time.

Here's a scenario, say your car smells like pot because you have a lb hidden. The cop asks if you have any blah blah, why does it smell blah blah. What I would do is admit to having a small amount a few hours before or whatever. He will then ask to search, don't say no, with your car smelling like pot he has a very good feeling you have something. If you say no he KNOWS you do. Say sure officer, he isn't going to sit there and rip your car apart, he will most likely look under seats, glove box, center console, ash tray, and at the most he might reach under the dash. That leaves tons of places to hide your shit.

Ok I'm done. Hope this helps some of you

[KA24DESOneThree]

The problem with police interaction today is that no one exercises their rights except those in the wrong. That is the wrong way to go about things.

If you are asked to pop your hood but have no illegal mods and would therefore be on firm legal ground, say no. If you are asked for consent for a personal search (beyond for the officer's safety) or for a vehicle or backpack search even though you have nothing illegal on you, say no.

Make them work for the ability to rifle through your things. Your rights are your own, and just because you exercise them doesn't mean that you're a criminal. It means that you're a patriot.

The badge doesn't mean he's judge, jury and executioner, even if he acts like it. Don't be afraid of someone who enforces the law, because ultimately they also must abide by it or face the consequences.

By the way, anyone who gets roughed up, treated unconstitutionally, or discriminated against/profiled because of race by the police or sheriff's department in SoCal, please PM me the officer's name, badge number, when it happened, your name, your e-mail and a synopsis of the circumstances as well as any charges levied against you. I will forward any and all instances of police misconduct to a former teacher of mine who was in IA and has a very serious reputation for punishing bad cops. By the way, if you lie to him or I, I will personally ensure you get what you deserve.

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Here's a scenario, say your car smells like pot because you have a lb hidden. The cop asks if you have any blah blah, why does it smell blah blah. What I would do is admit to having a small amount a few hours before or whatever. He will then ask to search, don't say no, with your car smelling like pot he has a very good feeling you have something. If you say no he KNOWS you do. Say sure officer, he isn't going to sit there and rip your car apart, he will most likely look under seats, glove box, center console, ash tray, and at the most he might reach under the dash. That leaves tons of places to hide your shit.

Ok I'm done. Hope this helps some of you

Last time I was pulled over. I was handcuffed. sitting on a curb.

while 2 officers tore my entire car apart. They pulled out my center console, radio,glovebox,pulled down my kick panels,popped hood and trunk..even checked my gas tank. (Even a member on this forum saw me :-/)

They are assholes up north.

the K-9's always find the stash.

Best way to move weight...Is have someone else do it for you. (Player talk)

[Ace Callaway]

Hands down, BEST THREAD EVER! This thread is better than the Pedo Bear thread. Too bad it got deleted.

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Irony (i-ro-ny)
-noun, plural -nies

1. A drug dealer complaining about the cops searching his car for the drugs that ARE in it.


"Man, I set this great fire in the middle of town, it was awesome, everything was burning down, and then these asshole firefighters came and put it out. Fuck firefighters!!!"

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^Hahahaha. .

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6) Even if you are guilty, just go along with it and plea out.

I would hesitate to give that sort of blanket advice. A plea forfeits quite a bit and if haphazardly done can have horrible consequences.

Of course. I said plea out. I didn't say take a bad deal. Your final recourse is always to go to trial.

Note that I premised my statement with "even if you are guilty". This means that you have no doubt in your mind at all that you will lose big in litigation.

Situations where there is doubt in your mind if you could win or lose (like the one alluded to in your comment) is outside of the scope of my comment.


Before entering a plea, you better make sure you understand exactly what you are pleading to and the consequences.

If you do not understand, ask your lawyer...twice.

Sign nothing without reading it; answer nothing without thinking.

I work in prosecution and I can appreciate the benefits of the plea bargain system that dominates criminal law, but I am still disgusted by poor defense lawyering in that context. It does no one any good to have shitty lawyers on either "side".

Otherwise I would echo the suggestion that people spend time learning about the laws that govern their society. That is certainly more productive than bitching about them.

I echo your echoing. :bigok:

[OptionZero]

When I get a BAR card it probably wouldn't be too smart for me to post in a thread like this...or for others too...