Everything is so easy with the 240...

[SkyHawkX]

Changing the fuel pump is as easy as changing the spark plugs. Holy crap.

In my Supra, I have to drop the damned fuel tank to access both the fuel tank and fuel filter. And to change the spark plugs, I have to remove a whole bunch of the intake piping going over the top of the engine.

These cars are so easy to work on.

[murda-c]

oh yeah...just wait until you have to...

I can't think of anything that is difficult that isn't difficult on other cars as well.

[SexPanda]

Really, the s13 is a simply laid out platform. The only think that is somewhat a PITA is the starter, and like alot of other manual rwd cars, the clutch. The actual changing of the clutch is easy, its the putting the transmission back in thats a pain.

[SkyHawkX]

It really is simple. And there's so much space in the engine bay to actually put your hands in. The 7MGTE makes the Supra engine bay very cramped, but I've seen worse. 3000GTs and Z32s come to mind.

[brokeAs240sx]

knock sensor could have been put in a nicer place. Not sure how they are relative to other cars, though.

Swapping oil pan on ka could be nicer -> like swapping on an sr (at least the lower oil pan.

relocating the driver side fender harness on s13 convertibles could be easier (there is a factory fender brace in the way :( ).

[racepar1]

Really, the s13 is a simply laid out platform. The only think that is somewhat a PITA is the starter, and like alot of other manual rwd cars, the clutch. The actual changing of the clutch is easy, its the putting the transmission back in thats a pain.

A starter takes 30 mins and you don't even need to jack the car up. That doesn't sound like much of a PITA to me.

Shitty jobs on a 240 (KA):
-Knock sensor
-PCV valve
-bypass hoses under the manifold
-headgasket on a KADE
-timing chain
-oil pan gasket

That's about all I can think of off the top of my head and almost none of those jobs are things that you will have to do more than once per car. 240's are extra super easy to work on.

[racepar1]

It really is simple. And there's so much space in the engine bay to actually put your hands in. The 7MGTE makes the Supra engine bay very cramped, but I've seen worse. 3000GTs and Z32s come to mind.

Worst car in the universe to work on is any cadillac with the northstar engine. GM was smoking some shit when they built those cars!

[ZenkiCam]

S30's are Extremely easy to work on too.. we stripped a whole car from the differential to axles, to control arms, to transmission, all suspension components, spindles, brakes, and engine today at work.. LOL this was all in 4hrs too with 2 people.

The L Series engine whether its FI or Carb, is extremely navigable too. i love datsun Z's.

[clark]

knock sensor could have been put in a nicer place. Not sure how they are relative to other cars, though.


lol just try changing a knock sensor on a fucking maxima, after you do that you'll go home and hug an kiss your engine.

but i feel what your'e saying about the platform. it is pretty bad ass. it has kind of dumbed me down. like when i look at other cars in general, helping friends/family out with basic shit, i'm like, ugh, why is that there, why can't it be here like my engine.

[CleanKAKouki]

having to change the little o-ring behind the lower front cover on the dual cam ka with the engine in the car still makes me shudder...

[origin_s135]

i just hate changing the damn oil filter on the sr20det without the wrench i need for my k&n filter. my tools are all scattered around in the garage so it's a PITA look for the right size. i think i'll order a relocation filter right now as we speak.

[SkyHawkX]

How hard is it to do take off the oil pan in these cars? I just know that for the Supra, you have two options: Take out the engine or drop the subframe.

[SexPanda]

nah its just starters in general can give you a headache. I never liked replacing them, and trust me, i've done plenty. in the Ka-e. there pretty damn easy. But the ka24de its helpful to get underneath the car. Since i work at a shop, thats not too bad, but still... I hate changing starters

[CleanKAKouki]

^not fun, but doable. i loosened the motor mounts and jacked up on the ac bracket and that gave it enough clearance without having to drop the subframe

[whereda40at]

How hard is it to do take off the oil pan in these cars? I just know that for the Supra, you have two options: Take out the engine or drop the subframe.
same way in the sw20(2nd gen mr2's)
on the mr2:
axels=bitch
intercooler=bitch
injectors=double bitch
they even have 4 hoses from hell that are a bitch to get too. all 4 are coolent lines and are harder to get to than the coolent hose on the sr right behind the head that runs from the turbo.
great way to learn how to work on cars because you have to take alot of shit off for simple things.

[ZenkiCam]

idk for 240's but on my friends Spec V on the BSR kit, we didnt have to take out the engine to drop the oilpan, but of course that was on FWD soo...

[zugoi]

The ka is a fairly simple motor layout. Everything is easy to reach. The thing that takes the most time id say is the oilpan or timing cover. Try working on the toyota v6 motors. Just taking off the valve covers or sparkplugs you have to take off the intake manifold and other shit.

[ZenkiCam]

thats why Inline FTW!!!

[fbiphil]

I've been totally spoiled working on '70s Datsuns for so long- the 240 seems so complex by comparison!
With an old Datsun, if you drop a wrench in the engine bay, you just reach down through the bay to the ground to pick it up- with the 240, you may never see that wrench again!!
But I see where you're coming from- compared to a lot of newer cars everything is pretty accessible. We have an '05 Mazda MPV, and half of the motor is under the windshield- have fun changing those back 3 spark plugs!!

[afro88]

I had an FC before my 240 so everything on the 240 seems so simple it's crazy. The basic design of the s13 is so simple it's great. Makes my life easier lol.

[gregfarz78]

Both of my nissans are so much easier to work on than any GM I've owned

[ZenkiCam]

I've been totally spoiled working on '70s Datsuns for so long- the 240 seems so complex by comparison!
With an old Datsun, if you drop a wrench in the engine bay, you just reach down through the bay to the ground to pick it up- with the 240, you may never see that wrench again!!
But I see where you're coming from- compared to a lot of newer cars everything is pretty accessible. We have an '05 Mazda MPV, and half of the motor is under the windshield- have fun changing those back 3 spark plugs!!

true that... like whenever i pulled the engine on my last 240 i found 2 wrenches hidden under stuff. haha.

[LongGrain]

it may be easy to change spark plugs in a 240 compared to a supra

but getting laid in a 240 is infinitely more difficult than in a supra

[ZenkiCam]

^whenever you have a girlfriend tho, thats no big deal..


but i bet with the back seats down, layin in the hatch is more confortable than in a supra! :naughty:

[90hatchie]

^whenever you have a girlfriend tho, thats no big deal..


but i bet with the back seats down, layin in the hatch is more confortable than in a supra! :naughty:

supra hatch > dirty moldy 240 hatch

[Tearlessj]

Im pretty sure were talking about that MKIII Supra here. Which is not so pimpin. lol I owned one and couldn't believe how hard it was to change the spark plugs.

http://farm1.static.flickr.com/220/459365087_1b82cf38c9.jpg

[murda-c]

What the fuck is that?

Seriously there could be a fucking ej20 under there or something.

[racepar1]

I think there might actually be an engine under there somewhere.....maybe.

[soreballz]

The actual changing of the clutch is easy, its the putting the transmission back in thats a pain.
Ditto.... To add to that, changing the IACV with the engine in the car is one hell of a motherfucker.
Lucky asian people and their tiny little hands... :rant:


Starter is EASY.

Dropping the trans: Getting the two uppermost bellhousing bolts on the trans without unbolting the engine mounts = tricky, but doable.


The first time I dropped a diff out was tough. Couldn't for the life of my figure out how to get the diff to break away from the axles after everything was unbolted. :keke:
Easy now though.


But yeah... They are freaking easy to work on as far as most "modern" cars go.

[fliprayzin240sx]

Really, the s13 is a simply laid out platform. The only think that is somewhat a PITA is the starter, and like alot of other manual rwd cars, the clutch. The actual changing of the clutch is easy, its the putting the transmission back in thats a pain.

Eh?!?! Dropping the tranny and putting it back in a RWD is cake compared to doing a FWD or worst, an AWD like the EVO. Everytime I had to change a clutch on a honda, shit felt like playing with a jig-saw puzzle, when it came to putting it back in. The trick is having a lift, a tranny jack, pounding out the tunnel a bit and worst case scenario, something to tilt the engine back.

Can't remember the starter on the KA but SR, unplug the connectors, 2 bolts and its out...nothing complicated or hard at all...

[240trooper]

yeah starter was easy on a ka24de, Rack and pinion another story haha thats y we didnt do it lol. Ohh yea seats after putting new carpet and to much pading lol. Ive heard timing chains are a bitch tho on dohc's..

[sblack13]

hardiest thing on a 240 is defienently the heater core.
It started leaking the night before i was supposed to sell the car
pulled an all nighter and got it finished.
not necessarily hard, but just time consuming.

another thing i hate
feeding engine harness through firewall
S14 W/ABS
its the worst.

[Nachtmensch]

same way in the sw20(2nd gen mr2's)
on the mr2:
axels=bitch
intercooler=bitch
injectors=double bitch
they even have 4 hoses from hell that are a bitch to get too. all 4 are coolent lines and are harder to get to than the coolent hose on the sr right behind the head that runs from the turbo.
great way to learn how to work on cars because you have to take alot of shit off for simple things.
same with an aw11 with the 4agze. though my intercooler is pie :)

injectors = suck
water pump = forget about it
supercharger = easier with half the engine removed
exhaust manifold = cant get to the studs to torque them back on
starter = hand will cramp a lot
slave cylinder = you need to find it first
gas tank = fuck that

worst thing on the s13 was getting that trans lined up after installing a clutch. though it got easy on the 6th time...

[infinitexsound]

lol this thread is funny

[Matej]

It's almost too easy... Watch out!

[SHIFT_*grind*]

lol just try changing a knock sensor on a fucking maxima, after you do that you'll go home and hug an kiss your engine.

It can either take 4 hours, or 10 minutes. If you have the right combination of ratchet extensions and joints, and a small enough hand (or if you don't mind getting yours a little scraped up), it's the latter. :)

The S13 is pretty nicely laid out for working on, though. Probably S14s as well, but I haven't worked on one.

[98s14inaz]

The obdII s14's are pretty easy once you simplify everything and remove the crap you don't need.

Most of that metal tubing on the intake manifold can be simplified and replaced/removed all together with rubber vacuum tubing. The support braces on the intake can be removed completely. Losing the coolant lines on the throttle body really free's up some space and makes things simpler to work on. The heat sheild on the exahust mani can go. Replacing your high pressure ps line with a braided steel line frees up some space too...the sensor on that line can be eliminated altogether with out adverse effects or cels. Cutting the extra tabs off of the fuel rail helps because you only need the two main bolts anyway. Run straight high pressure hose to the fuel rail instead of all that metal crap that gets in the way.

I have to say I hate either the knock sensor or clutch changes the most...not that changing the clutch is hard but getting the trans back in is a pita. Other than that this car is cake, that is why I have had three of them.

[1slowS13]

Yea, when it comes to 240sxs', me and my friends think we are master mechanics! But when it comes to other cars, "why is THAT there?" haha

[LS240]

it may be easy to change spark plugs in a 240 compared to a supra

but getting laid in a 240 is infinitely more difficult than in a supra

Maybe try not to rely so much on your car to get laid? LOL. :P

Sorry, I'm an :mrmeph: .

[Teddy]

510s are sooooo easy to work on. So much space, and such a simple car...

http://a122.ac-images.myspacecdn.com/images01/100/l_2b25ce8ad80bd36316d2907458c5dde1.jpg

[SimpleSexy180]

oil pan is fucking easy. take off sway bar and transmission brackets, unbolt motor mounts,jack up motor, take off oil pan bolts, DONE.

[bnorman82]

most everything is easy compared to newer cars...
the cars are so simple!!

[LongGrain]

Maybe try not to rely so much on your car to get laid? LOL. :P

Sorry, I'm an :mrmeph: .

hahaha, i actually have a girlfriend (not that i'm getting any anyway) but it was just a joke, i know some people would suck it and drive a supra just for the panty dropping advantage over a 240sx :keke:

[Entry Speed]

True that, most things a pretty easy except for the transmission, I hate putting that bitch back in!

[ZenkiCam]

supra hatch > dirty moldy 240 hatch


then you obviously havent seen how clean my hatch is. :eek3:

[SkyHawkX]

hahaha, i actually have a girlfriend (not that i'm getting any anyway) but it was just a joke, i know some people would suck it and drive a supra just for the panty dropping advantage over a 240sx :keke:

I think you're talking about the MKIVs. Those are mostly boner poppers. Real women like the MK3s :naughty:

[irax]

The trick is having a lift, a tranny jack, pounding out the tunnel a bit and worst case scenario, something to tilt the engine back.

LOL! having a lift is not the trick, thats how you are supposed to do it!


fuck changing the clutch without a lift!

I changed the clutch in my friends civic, SOO FUCKING EASY! Don't even need to jack it up!

[S14DB]

LOL! having a lift is not the trick, thats how you are supposed to do it!


fuck changing the clutch without a lift!

I changed the clutch in my friends civic, SOO FUCKING EASY! Don't even need to jack it up!

yeah cause honda engines used to be backwards.

90% of FWD trannys are a bitch to remove/install.

[tattoo131313]

I'm just glad they make an oil filter relocation kit.

[DisEpyon]

i think the most annoying thing while working on your car is all the freaking bugs.

But luckily a family of frogs found a home in my yard somewhere and love my driveway/garage. Why you might ask yourself, well the vid explains it.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iZUGZsX8X98

sorry if you think this is random, but this is a serious issue for me, i really hate bugs.

[Rayne]

Worst car in the universe to work on is any cadillac with the northstar engine. GM was smoking some shit when they built those cars!

I will second that. The northstar engine has issues with head gaskets.

[infinitexsound]

anything fwd v8 is hard to deal with.....gm was smoking when they came up with that idea....

easiest thing to do on a 240... is driving it, till something else goes wrong...im constantly fixing my car... blah...

[whereda40at]

anything fwd v8 is hard to deal with.....gm was smoking when they came up with that idea....

easiest thing to do on a 240... is driving it, till something else goes wrong...im constantly fixing my car... blah...
:werd: i have owned my are for 15 months now and have been on the road for a total of 4. lol always making it faster and parts take to long to get to md. i wish i was in cali.

[a_ahmed]

240s are so easy to steal your money thats for sure to me... i am so much less rich owning a 240 its no joke and the car is not even running/being used right now... hoping to actually finish this damn summer what i started...

but i still love it... damn hoe of a car...

[0wn3r]

Shitty jobs on a 240 (KA):
-PCV valve


glad someone said it. stupid pcv....

[s14kouki_]

it may be easy to change spark plugs in a 240 compared to a supra

but getting laid in a 240 is infinitely more difficult than in a supra
speak for yourself. i have a friend with a supra and bitches always compliment my kouki over his supra. specially with my super stupid rare 97 oem wood grain:bigok:

p.s. ill take a sc before a supra

[aznpoopy]

after working on a few other cars ive also gained an appreciation for the 240sx

someone at mazda decided it would be a good idea to put the FC's slave cylinder right up against the firewall nearly on top of the transmission.

they also though it would be a great idea to use one massive 54mm nut for the flywheel set at 300 some ft/lbs, instead of 6 little bolts like the 240sx.

[burnsauto]

Worst car in the universe to work on is any cadillac with the northstar engine. GM was smoking some shit when they built those cars!

finally someone else who knows something about engine design. I've worked on a few (including changing engines - thats was fun.) and they're the biggest hunks of shit on the road.

[baoweezee]

i think the most annoying thing while working on your car is all the freaking bugs.

But luckily a family of frogs found a home in my yard somewhere and love my driveway/garage. Why you might ask yourself, well the vid explains it.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iZUGZsX8X98

sorry if you think this is random, but this is a serious issue for me, i really hate bugs.
lOL i like ur song on the vid

[Oo_Skyline_oO]

Eh?!?! Dropping the tranny and putting it back in a RWD is cake compared to doing a FWD or worst, an AWD like the EVO. Everytime I had to change a clutch on a honda, shit felt like playing with a jig-saw puzzle, when it came to putting it back in. The trick is having a lift, a tranny jack, pounding out the tunnel a bit and worst case scenario, something to tilt the engine back.

Can't remember the starter on the KA but SR, unplug the connectors, 2 bolts and its out...nothing complicated or hard at all...


I deffenately agree with him, I put in s13 tranies with my bare hands(true story) you just need 4 stands its cake, the hardest thing I've ever encountered is pulling out a damn automatic pilot bearing while the motor is still in, those nasty super tight ones that break tools left and right.

[Rnz520]

after working on a few other cars ive also gained an appreciation for the 240sx

someone at mazda decided it would be a good idea to put the FC's slave cylinder right up against the firewall nearly on top of the transmission.

they also though it would be a great idea to use one massive 54mm nut for the flywheel set at 300 some ft/lbs, instead of 6 little bolts like the 240sx.

where did you get a 54mm socket???

[clark]

i've seen one at sears before

[aznpoopy]

where did you get a 54mm socket???

we actually ordered one online

and then it broke

then we said fuck it and got a 2 1/8