</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"></span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">First off, companies that make exhausts have tons of money put into research and development on the exhaust. This is much better than some schmuck that is trying to just "make it fit". </td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'>
What are you talking about? We're talking about Apexi products only here. Also, a custom muffler shop means just that- I am not talking about a corporate muffler shop with franchises nationwide- a custom muffler shop is usually family owned and been in business a very long time- they attract business from both the regular consumer and racers (import and domestic). Sounds like you've convinced yourself JDM means quality and joe blow knows nothing- this is not a smart way of thinking.</td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'>
Um. I know what a muffler shop is. And mandrel benders are hard to come by in Florida. I have heard from a couple exhaust shops that there are one or 2 mandrel bending machines in Florida. Anyway, if you read anything I have ever posted, I am not JDM. If Apex'i was in America, I would still give props to Apex'i. But I like the 5Zigen Fireball better for performance. <-- Digression.
</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"></span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Also, if you pay $200 for an Apexi N1 muffler, and another $200 for custom bent exhaust (which most people will, easily) then you have already paid the same ammount of money for an Apexi full cat-back system.</td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'>
You forgot shipping and/or tax. Plus there are guys that exist that will have some shop install for them.
But anyway- which shop quoted you $200 for a mendrel bent 3inch cat to muffler pipe setup?!? That is ludicrous- I think you just made up that number to support your argument- which doesn't hold water, sorry. Also, a 3 inch mandrel bent pipe is, guess what, a 3 inch mandrel bent pipe! No research there my friend, only one way to get a 3 inch pipe from the cat to the muffler. <!--emo&<img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/tounge.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':p'></td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'>
Yea. Tax. I think that if you have someone make an exhaust that you have taken your car to, you will pay tax. But if you buy stuff online, there is no tax, unless you are in the same state. Shipping isn't usually terrible.
I have been quoted $550 for crush-bent intake pipeing, and a turbo down-pipe. This was a guy in Avon Park, FL, who had been in business for 30 years. I have also been quoted by some guy in his garage $250 for 2.5" crush bent exhaust made for my car. Finally, there is always room for error and change in an exhaust system. If there was only one way to make the pipe, wouldn't one company have the patent on the piping, and all other companies just make mufflers? Nope. There is at least a 30% change, where the bends are, how sharp, how it's going over the rear axle.
</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"></span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">About the dual. It's not truely a $120 difference</td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'>
Ok, I listed the prices above <img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/huh2.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':huh2:'> , it is TRULY a $120 difference between the N1 Dual and Single. What sort of "fuzzy math" are you using?</td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'>
Sure. Difference in price is $120. But if you read, you'll see that shipping is vastly more expensive for the single than the dual, which lessens the price difference if you do math.
</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"></span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"> Finally, the N1 Dual is a better exhaust, period. It uses smaller tubes to create the backpressure and scavenging effect that is needed for torque. The design of the exhaust lowers the torque loss, and will ultimatly give a higher HP ability, becuase the combined pipe area is larger than 3", but without the terrible effects of a pipe more than 3".
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I am sorry- the quote above are not really your words are they? Just admit that some riceboy you met at Taco Bell told you that (along with the spelling errors). That totally sounds like a riceboy statement- trying to "sound" like he knows his shiznit. Because the statement is full of shiznit. I want to know if you're still in high school OR how you got out of high school and WHO made you a Moderator.</td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'>
Ok. If my words aren't good enough for you, here is the quote from the Apex'i site:
The use of smaller piping diameter helps retain more mid-range torque. The Dual N-1 does not sacrifice peak horsepower because the dual pipes can handle more exhaust gas volume. Wasn't that kinda close? I just gave a reason why. I didn't get it from Taco-Bell, I'm not a fuckin riceboy, and that statement wasn't full of shit, or was Apex'i site's statement full of shit too? Yea, I am out of highschool, with a 3.4GPA. I'm currently in college for Pre-Medicine and Pre-Law. I'm not a fuckin dumbass. And West made me a moderator. Just because you don't like me becuase I do a job that gets no thanks, no pay, and doesn't really have guidelines posted, I get jumped on. Get off your high horse, and admit that every post of yours I locked was due to name calling. Yet I don't lock posts that are directed towards me, becuase people have the right to speak out about moderators. If you seriously have a problem with me, take it up with me off the board, or with West. Untill then, admit that this entire post was a stab at me, because you obviously either didn't read my post, or just cut it apart to have a reason to post.
</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"></span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">I think that people get the Dual for the "slight" price difference, and how much better it is than the N1 single.</td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'>
Right, everyone buys it because it's better performance wise- they could CARE LESS about the look. Right <img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/huh2.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':huh2:'></td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'>Yea. I think that's what I said.
-Jeff