paeco products

[91s13coupe]

im thinking about buying their stage II engine for my car. it is 232 hp. 11 to 1 compression, port and polish balanced and blueprinted, etc. just wondering if anyone has done any business with them. ive talked to them on the phone and they really seem to know alot, and they have lots 'o' go fast goodies for our cars!

[Foxcolt]

Did you ask them how streetable it was?

[91s13coupe]

they list the stage 2 motor as a street/track motor. according to them it is street friendly. they said it also makes an excellent motor for scca type racing. awsome acceleration and lots of torque is how they describe it. i figure w/ a jwt ecu, intake, header, high flow cat and exhaust i should be putting down 250-265 at the wheels. not too bad for N/A!

[Dousan_PG]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (91s13coupe @ Dec. 13 2002,08:37)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">i figure w/ a jwt ecu, intake, header, high flow cat and exhaust i should be putting down 250-265 at the wheels. not too bad for N/A!</td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'>
yeah ...right. dream on. you wont get even NEAR that. not even to the fly

alex chang had similar set up and he was no where close to 200RWHP

do a search on FA when it comes back up, its been discussed NUMEROUS times.

250RWHP on a s13 SR20det on stock boost wont even be there, even with no cat, catback exhaust and a few go fast goodies. you might be 250 to the fly but not the wheel.

if you say you can, please give me how much power you make with EACH of those mods TO THE WHEEL (ground).


edit: cams!! Look at the ones PDM has...

http://www.pdm-racing.com/products/cam_corner.html
has dyno graphs too
specifically: intake header pully AND tuning still only made 163.1 RWHP and 161.4 torque.
you arent going to juice another 100 RWHP out of a ECU, straight pipe and exhaust.

[91s13coupe]

the motor at the crank is 232hp. i dont know how much the other stuff will add. but i know i will have more than 200hp to the rear wheels. you do the math. with the ecu,exhaust, etc.how could it not have at least 200 to the wheels. with a 15% hp loss thru the driveline w/o the other bolt ons is about 198 hp! i think 225 hp to the wheels is entirely possible.

[91s13coupe]

sorry, the pdm car is a stock motor w/ boltons. the engine i am getting is a high compression balanced and blueprinted engine, not even close to stock. that engine is 232hp at the crank. so your pdm example is like comparing apples to oranges!!

[Foxcolt]

Get the motor see what happens. I'm curious to find out how it performs.

If you really want to Stay NA (which is seems like you do cause if you turbo that motor it'll blow in a heartbeat) Than may I suggest buying the motor then carb'ing it with individual throttle bodies. Then you can tube frame the car with a fiberglass body. But by that point you'll probably have already thrown away that motor in place of a small block V8.

I don't think you realize what your getting yourself into. However if you do than good luck and keep us updated

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[91s13coupe]

this company that sells these engines for our cars has been around for about 20 years and have a very good reputation for quality and performance. im not really "getting into" anything. i was just curious. and if i do get this engine i will be sure and let everyone know that it is possible to have a very reliable and streetable 200+ rwhp ka/na. they claim in most cases, at least up to stage three an four engines that the engines are actually more efficient and reliable than the factory stock engine. i didnt post this topic to be flamed by the "all knowing" gods of this forum. it just seems no one has accepted that our cars are capable of being very powerful and quick w/o a turbo. and still be streetable. i know the possibilities of a kat are greater than n/a but when you consider the weight of our cars and the chassis 200 rwhp is a very potent hp number and there arent many cars that could hang with it at that number, turbo or not!!

[Foxcolt]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (91s13coupe @ Dec. 13 2002,2:27)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">this company that sells these engines for our cars has been around for about 20 years and have a very good reputation for quality and performance. im not really "getting into" anything. i was just curious. and if i do get this engine i will be sure and let everyone know that it is possible to have a very reliable and streetable 200+ rwhp ka/na. they claim in most cases, at least up to stage three an four engines that the engines are actually more efficient and reliable than the factory stock engine. i didnt post this topic to be flamed by the "all knowing" gods of this forum. it just seems no one has accepted that our cars are capable of being very powerful and quick w/o a turbo. and still be streetable. i know the possibilities of a kat are greater than n/a but when you consider the weight of our cars and the chassis 200 rwhp is a very potent hp number and there arent many cars that could hang with it at that number, turbo or not!!</td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'>
no one's flaming you just stating fact.

Keep in mind that your talking to a buisness. And I personaly know of them. They build good motors, race motors. I've never heard/seen anyone that had a street motor from them. So naturally I'm a little skeptical.

You don't know what your getting into and I'll list a couple reasons why.

1, you woulda known that this motor won't pass emisions. (don't know what area you live in)

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3, That motor will need to be maintained more than you think

4, That motor will be a lot more prone to detonate, and I highly doubt it will detonate more.

5, That motor doesn't come with an ECU. That's another topic right there

6, That motor might not have a streetable torque curve. Altough I haven't seen the dyno charts. With extreme cam's and lots of compression you'll probably bog until the higher rpm's. Might not be any fun to drive.

That said, I think it would be cool if you went and bought it. Mainly because I've never seen it done. It'd be fun to find out how that motor does on the street.

Jed

[91s13coupe]

i know no one is flaming me! even though my posts say im a newbie, im not. this is the second &nbsp;240 i have had and i worked &nbsp;for nissan for several years in different positions. im dont mean to sound cocky but i know more about 240's than probably the majority of the people on this forum and less than some people on this forum. ive been around hot rods all my life (im 3o now). the emissions thing doesnt effect me i live in missouri. as far as maintaining a high compression engine, its not any different than a new toyota celica gts with 11 to 1 compression(just maintain the car). with a dedicated &nbsp;fuel management system and a jwt ecu detonation shouldnt even be a factor.i have not seen the dyno charts for this motor either but the power range listed by the comany is from 2800 rpm to 7800+. that should be pretty usable on the street. they have a stage 3 and 4 engine that are NOT streetable 268hp and 298hp respectively. they claim the stage two are combination street/slalom/driver school/rally type engines. anyway thanks for your input.
right in there catalog.