speed record for a s13?

[wow-thats-a-cool-car]

does any1 know what the speed record for a s13 w/ a KA24DE?
What do you think is possible?
I think around 250 could be done w/ a big turbo setup and really long gears
i have always wanted to drive at least 200mph but it would be even cooler to set a speed record

[MikeisNissan]

250 mph KA? pshhh

[[w]hite[r]abbit[x]]

S13's aren't made for wangan. Work on suspension and keep on sliding bro. Stay safe and don't speed on public interstates.

[MikeisNissan]

http://youtube.com/watch?v=ovNkwiHJCIA

[wow-thats-a-cool-car]

i don't wanna do it now but its something i want to eventually do
i wanna be in the 200 mph club

[PhAtXSuMo]

this is gonna be locked for being the most idiotic thread ever to be existed

[MikeisNissan]

You want to be in the 200 mph club?

[wow-thats-a-cool-car]

who has a million dollars laying around for a veyron
but I love top gear its my fav show

[240cracker]

that video is fucking amazing...
i cant even dream of going that fast...

back to the subject.
ya i dont think anyone maxes out a KA for top speed man.

[wow-thats-a-cool-car]

why idiotic its just a question
speed records r serous
what is the speed record 4 a s13?

[wow-thats-a-cool-car]

i could be the first to buy a s13 for SPEED

[whereda40at]

just build your car for top end and take it to the salt flats. it would be the trip if you think you can do it. dont give up on your hopes because someone else thinks you cant/wont do it.

[wow-thats-a-cool-car]

ya i'm trying to be original every1 including me is building drift cars why not make a stream lined 240 builf for speed
but don't have the money rite now in a couple of years im gonna try and do it

[Pblesh85]

I had my sil80 at 160-165 along side an sti. I would not recommend it though unless you have new bushings and good tires.

[wow-thats-a-cool-car]

ya see some1 is driving fast
i bet 200mph isn't very hard
i'll you would need is longer gears

[JeremyR]

dude you can barely spell or make complete sentences.
it's going to take a hell of a lot of money to make a 240sx go that fast.
stay in school make some money. cause an undertaking like this is gonna set you back at LEAST $50,000+


longer gears are not going to cut it. once you get to a certain speed. there is more factors involved than just the gear ratio.

you'll need extensive areodynamics to keep a car stable at that speed, so invest in some time testing in a wind tunnel.

you'll need tires that are ZR rated. which is a rating of 186mph+ and since you'll be doing upwards of 250, you'll need wide tires. very wide tires. in order to keep all that horsepower in control, and also help keep the car stable.

since you will need to be running at the miniumum, 10+ wide wheels, you'll need extensive body work done to fit the large wheels. and those wheels will most likely have ot be custom made, becuase the rotating mass will play a huge role when going those speeds.

probably the most important thign you'll need, is horsepower, the bugatti makes 1k hp and look how hard towards the end of that video it struggled to get up to those speeds.

now i kept this very vauge, and i know myself, and others, could get very in depth about it. but frankly speaking, you dont know what the fuck you're talking about and i will not waste my time. you ahve the internet, look shit up yourself. if you think gears are gonna get you to 250mph, you are VERY mistaken

[wow-thats-a-cool-car]

ya i would need some sponsors or something cause it would take a lot of money but its just an idea.
Anything is possible my friends grandpa is trying to build a reliant robin into a salt flat type car and set a speed record for a 3 wheel car

Dude the bugatti weighs 2+ tons which means it needs all that power
A striped out race car 240sx will weigh about 2500 pounds which means you only need about 600 hp to achieve the same power to weight ratio

[GSXRJJordan]

Pssssh... all this talk about all this shit you 'need'.

All you 'need' is power/weight... Make more horsepower, lose weight. Work on that first. Once you get as close as you think you can, then work on aero.

[derek_s13]

Anything is possible my friends grandpa is trying to build a reliant robin into a salt flat type car and set a speed record for a 3 wheel car

i highlighted the only part of that whole sentence that mattered to me.







..and anyone else around here. trying. not doing.

do it if you wanna do it man, but

s13's won't go 250. anybody see that FC flip like a toy on salt flats? yeah.

[Pblesh85]

dude you can barely spell or make complete sentences.
it's going to take a hell of a lot of money to make a 240sx go that fast.
stay in school make some money. cause an undertaking like this is gonna set you back at LEAST $50,000+


longer gears are not going to cut it. once you get to a certain speed. there is more factors involved than just the gear ratio.

you'll need extensive areodynamics to keep a car stable at that speed, so invest in some time testing in a wind tunnel.

you'll need tires that are ZR rated. which is a rating of 186mph+ and since you'll be doing upwards of 250, you'll need wide tires. very wide tires. in order to keep all that horsepower in control, and also help keep the car stable.

since you will need to be running at the miniumum, 10+ wide wheels, you'll need extensive body work done to fit the large wheels. and those wheels will most likely have ot be custom made, becuase the rotating mass will play a huge role when going those speeds.

probably the most important thign you'll need, is horsepower, the bugatti makes 1k hp and look how hard towards the end of that video it struggled to get up to those speeds.

now i kept this very vauge, and i know myself, and others, could get very in depth about it. but frankly speaking, you dont know what the fuck you're talking about and i will not waste my time. you ahve the internet, look shit up yourself. if you think gears are gonna get you to 250mph, you are VERY mistaken

If you want to go fast, then go fast. Just dont hurt anyone else or kill yourself. Everyone on zilvia is either supportive or closeminded. there is no grey area. If you like top speed have fun with it. But its not just stepping on the gas and going fast. There are alot of variables that are envolved along with it.

But what ever you do dont mention a s15 six speed swap into an s13. Unless you want your rep points like mine.:duh:

[blu808]

Let the kid be. It is something I think about all the time. If I won the lotto and already had my perfect drift car, and time attack car. I would love to spend a few months building a 1100 whp turbo ls3 powered 180 sx with full carbon replacement panels (doors, hatch, hood, etc) keeping it unibody, full carbon belly pan, etc. and go run balls out.

I would love to do that one day.

Just because this guy is saying things that dont seem sensible doesn't mean we should hate. I see what he's gettin at, and I think he just needs some direction.

[s13 @ fullboost]

just build your car for top end and take it to the salt flats. it would be the trip if you think you can do it. dont give up on your hopes because someone else thinks you cant/wont do it.


now thats whats up go for it man and the best luck to you=]

[Pblesh85]

+ one for the guy that is not jumping on a bandwagon.




everyone should share the wealth :bigok:

[blu808]

anybody see that FC flip like a toy on salt flats? yeah.


Thats because it created lift. 98 % of all cars make lift over 100mph even most Ferraris make lift.

If that "Fc" really an FD had proper aero testing and a proper belly pan, im sure it would have ran just fine.

[slider2828]

I believe JUN Automechanic holds the fastest S13.... Was going around a ring with full tune and Aero. The JUN S14 Yellow one is 8.49 secs quarter mile all turbo....

Both on SR motors.

[Kyosuke]

whats the fastest 240 as of today ? 0-60 ? etc etc anyone ?

[projekt_s13]

I remember a euro video of a white S13 hatch, and a few skylines trying to pass 200 mph. The S13 barely hit 200 mph if i remember correctly.


I donno if anyone knows what video im talking about.

To answer your vague question, i dont think anyone knows the speed record of a ka s13.

Heres a few videos

KA-T
9.1 sec 1/4 mile

http://youtube.com/watch?v=NAKuojq7Hqk

http://youtube.com/watch?v=g_2iv9Hi-HU


1000hp Ka-t S13

Mute it until you see the dyno, cuz the music sucks ass.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tu_52hPqRO8

2JZ
8.1 sec 1/4

http://youtube.com/watch?v=5ui6ANx0k2U

[Pblesh85]

whats the fastest 240 as of today ? 0-60 ? etc etc anyone ?

I have had no luck finding a landspeed reccord for a 240/silvia powered s13/14/15

oh well.

[sblack13]

I don't about any of you.
But damn, I would't trust an s chasis
at that high of speed.

[timster]

http://www.zilvia.net/f/images/editor/separator.gifWell, in my opinion, the best way to look at this would be a fluid dynamics analysis. First we'll have some assumptions. 1) The average exposed area of an s-chassis towards the wind is.. oh, 6 meters squared. 2) The coefficient of drag of said area is 1.0 (to make things simple). The density of air is 1.2 kg/m^3. So, we want to go 200 mph. The best way to do this, on a budget, would be to go for a canyon run. Do your damndest to fall off of the canyon, and in turn you'll be well on your way to your goal. Using the equation Vt = sqrt((2mg)/(pACd) where m = mass of an s-chassis (1200 kg), g = gravity, p = density of air, A = area exposed (6m), and Cd = coefficient of drag, we get a terminal velocity of approximately 60 meters per second. This in turn gives us a terminal velocity of around 140 miles per hour. So, yeah, to reach your 200 mph in the cheapest manner possible you'll need some rocket boosters and Vtec to propel you downwards.

[Matej]

Disconnect the speed limiter.

[90240]

Why not shoot for 500mph, just as realistic. Because either way you need some type of large turbine to propel such speeds...on an s chassis that is.

[timster]

Disconnect the speed limiter.

+ different gears and a wing.

[JeremyR]

to reach your 200 mph in the cheapest manner possible you'll need some rocket boosters and Vtec to propel you downwards.



best answer so far

[raz0rbladez909]

Generally i remember hearing about 240's getting light in the front at about 150 mph(remember your speedometer doesnt account for drag) so it may say you are going a certain speed but you're more than likely going slower. The veyron weighs that much to keep its ass planted on the floor, when you are talking about high speed its not so much lightweight as it is proper gearing and aerodynamics, if you even try taking a 240 close to 180mph i'm sure you will lift up, if you want high speed in excess of 200 mph you are going to need a heavier car.

[Andrew Bohan]

f1 cars weigh under 1500lbs and go over 200mph

just need proper aero and ride height to take advantage of that aero.

[RanciD]

Save yourself some time and money and buy the new GTR. That'll get you pretty close to 200 and you'll probably even survive it in that car.

[redtop91]

Top Speed = Revs
KA ≠ Revs (without extensive head work)
Have you ever even taken an S13 over 120? It shakes like a damn nightmare not to mention the sunroof howling will make you want to shoot yourself well before 200. Seriously though S13's aren't meant to go terribly fast as as such no one has explored top speed very much.

[90hatchie]

Save yourself some time and money and buy the new GTR. That'll get you pretty close to 200 and you'll probably even survive it in that car.
and would be cheaper lol

[Rennen]

In 2006 this car went 217.873mph.

http://photos-f.ak.facebook.com/photos-ak-snc1/v262/192/123/15926474/n15926474_38843149_3281.jpg

http://photos-g.ak.facebook.com/photos-ak-snc1/v262/192/123/15926474/n15926474_38843150_3599.jpg

http://photos-h.ak.facebook.com/photos-ak-snc1/v262/192/123/15926474/n15926474_38843151_3895.jpg

.... and I think that's a bit out of the realm of what most 19 year olds have to work with.

[fbiphil]

+1 to Rennen for getting this guy an answer to his question!!

I figured SOMEONE had to have attempted a top speed run in a 240- they look fairly aerodynamic, especially compared to some of the stuff you see running on the salt flats... SoCal Speed Shop's HHR?!

I've had my coupe up to about 120, and it shook like a Norwegian space shuttle (sorry for all the Norwegians out there- you guys don't catch enough hell!) - not very confidence-inspiring! However, mine is a street car, and I'd imagine with proper aero enhancements you could calm it down...

Yes, it's a lofty goal that will take a lot of money and trial and error, but if it's your dream then go for it! Just be sure to get some video when you do, so we can link to it next time someone asks!!

[WhatsADSM]

A quick FYI. In terms of top speed weight DOES NOT MATTER. It is all about horsepower and aerodynamics. Remember your Physics class (statics).. You are at top speed (i.e. no acceleration, i.e. STATIC) you have one force pushing you one way (horsepower), and a few forces pushing you the other the main one which is drag.

With the same aerodynamics, the only thing that weight really changes is rolling resistance and that is at most a few MPH.

The only thing different is that the lighter car would get to top speed first, and the heavier car will take a little longer to get to the (roughly) same top speed.... except of course the heavier car will be MUCH more stable.

[ESmorz]

I've bounced off my rev limiter in 5th going downhill a few times. So that's what like ~115? It didn't shake,rattle, or howl it didn't even feel like I was going over 70. Shit was a disappointment.

Our cars are slow plain and simple. If you can build a salt flats worthy 240 all the power to you. I just don't see the point. There are tons of other cars I'd use before an s-chassis.

[MeSs]

I've had my coupe up to about 120, and it shook like a Norwegian space shuttle (sorry for all the Norwegians out there- you guys don't catch enough hell!) -
HAHA!! Norwegian space shuttle :kiss:

My S13 hit the rev limiter on 5gear, once... But, i dont have a speedometer (?).. So i suppose 250-60kmt. SR20DET, 18" heavy sportscrap wheels.

Stay on the track :)

[wow-thats-a-cool-car]

if a V8 240sx went 217 then a KA24DE will probably at best take you to 180-210 depending on areo and how stable the suspension is. I want to do this really bad any1 want to sponsor me and donate money?

[a_ahmed]

I don't know about 200mph, but there's plenty 180mph s13s in germany/europe in general. Check Deutsch forums.

One guy claimed to hit 180mph with an LS v8 and he was at redline in 5th with still 6th... I don't believe him until I see videos, so its just hearsay, but i wouldn't doubt the possibilities either, its most likely doable, 6 speed t56 and modified LS v8.. could probably be a very good candidate.

What I am more concerned about is chassis strength/durabilit that would have to be reworked.. and then better suspension, stock or cheap chinese suspension wont cut it haha... and then some proper 18" wheels with fat rubber... good aero work... an underbody or at least some kind of splitter in front would help...

JUN's S13 coupe hit 300km/hr (I forget how much but 300km/hr+) and it was with 600hp (sr20det?) I had a video of it somewhere from best motoring if i recall.. it didn't seem to have any radical modifications externally or otherwise.. looked like a relatively low to the ground (still high 4x4 status for zilvia) s13 black coupe.

[fbiphil]

Yeah, it was a V8, but it was JUST an Oldsmobile V8... how good could one of those really be?! LOL

[ThatGuy]

if a V8 240sx went 217 then a KA24DE will probably at best take you to 180-210 depending on areo and how stable the suspension is. I want to do this really bad any1 want to sponsor me and donate money?

How exactly do you justify this statement?

Can you tell just from looking at that picture how much horsepower that engine is producing to reach 217mph?

How much of the original drivetrain is intact?

Hoe extensive is the work under the panels?

How heavy is the car?

A v8 can do 217mph so a I4 should be able to do 180-200. :goyou:

I'm not saying it's NOT possible. I'm just questioning that broad statement from a couple of pictures.

[nzmoman]

^^^ what a clown^^^

You wouldn't need to drop weight. You would have to make some serious aero changes, and find a better system for gearing the tranny and the rear end.

Dropping weight is going to make downforce more difficult to manage and maintain. at 200 mph, you need the weight. unless you are driving an F1 car which is basically an arrow on wheels.

[ThatGuy]

When I ask about the weight of the car, I was referring to power to weight ratio. Did I tell him to drop weight? Did I tell him to add weight?

There is no need to call me a clown and I'll ask you, once politely, not to do it again.

[rich280zxt]

ya i would need some sponsors or something cause it would take a lot of money but its just an idea.
Anything is possible my friends grandpa is trying to build a reliant robin into a salt flat type car and set a speed record for a 3 wheel car

Dude the bugatti weighs 2+ tons which means it needs all that power
A striped out race car 240sx will weigh about 2500 pounds which means you only need about 600 hp to achieve the same power to weight ratio

hahahaha. 2500 pounds at 200+ mph. Not a chance in hell.

[timster]

hahahaha. 2500 pounds at 200+ mph. Not a chance in hell.

Nascar.

Full of win.

[sldbyuramg]

you can reach 200mph but i dont know about with a KA AMS did [email protected] in the quarter...that might be enough power but gearing and aerodynamics are HUGE in reaching 200mph. i believe with an 700whp LS1 you could do 200+ but 250...no f-ing way. you would need over a million in wind tunnel tested aero suspension, TIRES, cooling...everything...remember the bugatti goes like 246 mph and runs out of gas in 12 min at that speed. the tires can only handle that speed for 15min. that car has 1001hp quadturbo v16. your not gonna get there in a 2.4 ltr 4cyl.
200 mph is possible...just get the AMS turbo longblock and mate a GT40R onto it build your suspension with alot of positive caster and get a super sturdy aero kit and a good wing...strip everything out of your car and get a michelin pilot sport ps2's some light wieght and super strong rims then take your rear end and 6pd tranny to get re geared so it isnt close ratio... after about 15 to 20 thousand dollars...which in my opinion isnt bad for a 200mph car...you will then have yourself a 200mph car....HOPEFULLY...maybe more like 30 to 40 thousand

200mph on the other hand... i honestly think it can be done...i have been 165mph in my evo 8 after reaching about 320whp...

anyway im typing too much...basically 200mph...possible with gearing and HP. 250...not gonna fucking happen

[IStop4NoMan]

better make sure you have the right aero, or youll be flying in no time.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SWgWk_evROk

[sldbyuramg]

JUN's S13 coupe hit 300km/hr (I forget how much but 300km/hr+) and it was with 600hp (sr20det?) I had a video of it somewhere from best motoring if i recall.. it didn't seem to have any radical modifications externally or otherwise.. looked like a relatively low to the ground (still high 4x4 status for zilvia) s13 black coupe.

186.42 miles per hour

[MikeisNissan]

Lol at him releasing the chutte.

[Pblesh85]

http://www.zilvia.net/f/images/editor/separator.gifWell, in my opinion, the best way to look at this would be a fluid dynamics analysis. First we'll have some assumptions. 1) The average exposed area of an s-chassis towards the wind is.. oh, 6 meters squared. 2) The coefficient of drag of said area is 1.0 (to make things simple). The density of air is 1.2 kg/m^3. So, we want to go 200 mph. The best way to do this, on a budget, would be to go for a canyon run. Do your damndest to fall off of the canyon, and in turn you'll be well on your way to your goal. Using the equation Vt = sqrt((2mg)/(pACd) where m = mass of an s-chassis (1200 kg), g = gravity, p = density of air, A = area exposed (6m), and Cd = coefficient of drag, we get a terminal velocity of approximately 60 meters per second. This in turn gives us a terminal velocity of around 140 miles per hour. So, yeah, to reach your 200 mph in the cheapest manner possible you'll need some rocket boosters and Vtec to propel you downwards.

+1 for the smart guy

[VROOOM]

a civic ran 211 on 728hp and the S13 fastback would have way better aerodynamics.

http://automotive.speedtv.com/article/civic_pride_worlds_fastest_honda_civic

[Pblesh85]

Top Speed = Revs
KA ≠ Revs (without extensive head work)
Have you ever even taken an S13 over 120? It shakes like a damn nightmare not to mention the sunroof howling will make you want to shoot yourself well before 200. Seriously though S13's aren't meant to go terribly fast as as such no one has explored top speed very much.

If your car is shaking at 120mph its prob. due to soft suspension, bad tire, or shitty bushings(not ripping your car).

My 93 coupe feels fine at speeds around 120mph. I need to get it tuned so I dont have a speed limiter though.

Most cars ive been in start to feel light around 140mph + Even when I owned my sti and tried to top(165, if the speedo was correct) it out it feels scary.

I believe with the right aero, gearing, and around 500whp you could get close to your goal. As long as you dont let a forum discourrage you. I dont know how hard it would be to get those extra 30-40 mph out of a car though. But I will stand by that an sr powered(316whp/287tq) will go 160pmh(how ever unsafe it my be). Just build your car right.

[BustedS13]

i heard that if you put a big enough wing on the back and have proper clearance from the tower, you can use the 240 as affordable personal aircraft


http://www.vividracing.com/forums/gallery/files/5/5/4/3/20059B1-small.jpg

this car went down in the record books as the first transcontinental 240sx flight

[lordofthemiasma]

^^ agreed. i am reading this and seeing people say at ~120 there cars feel like they are going to fall apart. sounds like you need to do some suspension work. My sr car breaks 120 mph with no issues and feels fine, i never have topped it out but i have seen better than my speedometer shows many times ( i live near lots of empty country roads) and the car is fine.

[lflkajfj12123]

this thread has so much

AIDS

[PRADOgy]

anybody see that FC flip like a toy on salt flats? yeah.
That wasnt an fc.. that was racing beats awsome ass FD that flipped

The fc hit 238 mph
http://racingbeat.com/FRphotos.htm

.. but yeah lol


i wouldnt want to go that fast in a 240 anyway..

[lflkajfj12123]

going 80 mph in my s14 was asking for death

[KOUKI KAN KAN]

if a V8 240sx went 217 then a KA24DE will probably at best take you to 180-210 depending on areo and how stable the suspension is. I want to do this really bad any1 want to sponsor me and donate money?
http://www.rotskyinstitute.com/rotsky/wp-content/uploads/2008/02/shipmentoffail.jpg

[cdlong]

this guy hit 235mph and set a class record in an s13. is that good enough for you? it doesn't say what engine he has though.

http://www.wheels.daytondailynews.com/daytondailynews/content/autonews/2007/11/28/MPSWLS1201WOW.html

[JeremyR]

who ever neg repped me, THANKS. you totally took my post the wrong way. no way was i telling the kid to fuck off and give up, i was giving some some insight into the matter. i'd rather be harsh about it, than tell him to go gun his stock ka 240 down the freeway. i'd rather this kid DO IT RIGHT THE FIRST TIME, than think "oh a ka24 can do 180-200" it's pretty fuckin obvious this kid does not know a whole lot about what he's talking about, so i made a post that was blunt and to the point. i dont play around i dont sugar coat. if this kid realy wants to make a top speed 240 than go right ahead im all for it, but he needs to do it RIGHT, he needs to know shit, i dont want him ending up liek that rx7 in the video, or smashed into a light pole on the freeway. so thanks for the neg rep, can't even leave you're name. if you want to talk shit do it on the forum or pm me.


to the kid:
take some auto classes, stay in school. do some researh, ALOT OF FUCKING RESEARCH. maybe find a way to contact the guy who built that 240sx, hell maybe he'll let you drive it if you get buddy buddy enough. find someone who's already into the hobby/sport whatever to help you out. top speed runs a whole nother ball game that the majority of peopel on zilvia dont do, or dont care about. so you gotta figure it out on your own.

[oscarsx]

go back to your honda :ghey:

[racepar1]

This is stupid. Obviously the kid has no idea what he is talking about, but what is wrong with using an s-13 to set a land speed record of some sort? So he doesn't want to jump on the drifting bandwagon, so what! I don't think you would need more than 500-600hp to break 200mph, but you will need VERY slick, VERY expensive aero. Nothing off the shelf would really work for this application. Wind tunnel testing would be EXTREMELY helpful as you want just enough downforce to keep the car on the ground. Any more than that and you are just killing the top speed. The main area of the car that will need aerodynamic attention is the underside of the car. A full flatbottom set-up with front and rear diffusers will pay HUGE dividends. Reducing weight will help, but it is not as important for a land speed car as it is for like a drag or road race car. You don't want to use wide tires as wide tires will hurt the top speed of the car due to rolling resistance and aerodynamic drag. Remember at bonneville you have like 3 miles to run so you don't need the extra tire for acceleration grip. Now if you are talking about trying to set some kind of speed record on the highway then first off you are stupid. Second the car set-up will have to be very different. You will need much more downforce and wider tires, which means more HP to reach the same speed.

[timster]

This is stupid. Obviously the kid has no idea what he is talking about, but what is wrong with using an s-13 to set a land speed record of some sort? So he doesn't want to jump on the drifting bandwagon, so what! I don't think you would need more than 500-600hp to break 200mph, but you will need VERY slick, VERY expensive aero. Nothing off the shelf would really work for this application. Wind tunnel testing would be EXTREMELY helpful as you want just enough downforce to keep the car on the ground. Any more than that and you are just killing the top speed. The main area of the car that will need aerodynamic attention is the underside of the car. A full flatbottom set-up with front and rear diffusers will pay HUGE dividends. Reducing weight will help, but it is not as important for a land speed car as it is for like a drag or road race car. You don't want to use wide tires as wide tires will hurt the top speed of the car due to rolling resistance and aerodynamic drag. Remember at bonneville you have like 3 miles to run so you don't need the extra tire for acceleration grip. Now if you are talking about trying to set some kind of speed record on the highway then first off you are stupid. Second the car set-up will have to be very different. You will need much more downforce and wider tires, which means more HP to reach the same speed.

Maybe he could use an LSx engine also. :rofl:

[a_ahmed]

going 80 mph in my s14 was asking for death


Something is very wrong with your car then or you can't drive. I've hit 130mph in my 240 radar confirmed lmao and the car was frickin awesome. It was about two years ago I guess... when I still had interior and brand new poly bushings/etc, proper alignment... the car was solid as a rock building. It felt so easy to drive... that driving 60mph was boring after.

Now my car is stripped out and the components are worn, needs alignment more so than the components... but it still doesn't feel like death. It's just more noisy/vibrating, and a lil loose lol.. with worn tires and bad alignment but still not death.

Car is under the knife now so it doesn't count, it'll be fresh when its back :)

[Mr. Camshaft]

Drag force could be roughly estimated to D=.5*density air*frontal area*velocity^2*coefficient of drag. The power you need to overcome this is P=D*Velocity => P=.5*rho*V^3*Af*Coeff. Drag. So, basically as you go faster, the power (hp or kW) you need to overcome the drag force increases by a power of 3. The guy who mentioned terminal velocity is a bit off as we're not dropping stuff off of a building.

[cdlong]

The guy who mentioned terminal velocity is a bit off as we're not dropping stuff off of a building.

it was a joke. much like how this thread has turned out. it's a shame, it would have been interesting if anyone had been able to look past the s13 as a drift car.

[TougeLabs]

Welcome to my life man not to many guys on here understand the whole top speed thing. As far as your budget your looking way past 50k prob more towards 75+. Come out to Bonneville towards the end of this year and check it out your more then welcome to tag along. Good luck if you have the money and the know how. Its realistic to get into the 200mph club and get your red hat.

[flip3d]

Someone made an MR2 with a 3SGTE go 218 at Bonneville. Anything is possible.

[a_ahmed]

Car that can go 223.56 mph: http://www.supercars.net/cars/4182.html

[KA24DESOneThree]

Just say no to 99% of what's been said in this thread.

Everyone's saying "wider tires" but if you look at pictures of speed record cars, they have skinny, high-profile tires. It's all about rolling resistance and drag; wide tires are harder to roll and produce more drag (why do you think Tyrrell went with four fronts?). You produce stability through suspension and aerodynamic setup, the wide tires will just hurt your efforts. The car has to be designed with only speed in mind.

You reduce drag, and you engineer stability.

Extensive research is the only way to do it. You read, you talk to people who've set records, and you do what's recommended.

[DrG_RPS13]

get a gsxr1000 with a pype, some mild filter and tuning mods and you can see 200 whenever you like.

I've been at about 240kmh in my ca18det s13 and yeah, I think the chassis, tyres etc all need some upgrades to feel safe at that speed, nevermind 200mph. But if you're serious about doing it, then you should do it. As everyone says it will take time and money, so it all comes down to how badly you wanna reach this goal, however trivial some may see it. It's your goal. Just be safe bro.

[Def]

I've done about 145 mph on track at low boost - car did start to feel a little light in the rear, but it was minor and not a hindrance braking down from speed while turning into T1 TWS after that.

I imagine 450 rwhp would start to get you around the right territory to start knocking on 200 mph with lots of aero work.

[GoodOl'S13]

Yeah, it was a V8, but it was JUST an Oldsmobile V8... how good could one of those really be?! LOL
Good enough for a SHELBY SERIES 1, but then again what do they know.

http://www.car-forums.com/_images/car_photo/381810.jpg

[onehundredoctane]

I hate I even wasted my time reading the first post in this thread.

[kungfujerry]

Do what you want man. Don't let others drag you down because they don't agree with your approach. I think it would be awesome if you made it over 200mph in an S13 KA, but as they said, research, aero, lots of power, tires (I think continental make tires rated for 220+), suspension, gearing, etc. Weight is very important though. It might not be as important if you had a 1000 mile straight track with a refueling jet to replenish your fuel, but, if you have two cars with the same power, the heavier car will take longer to accelerate. Diffusers and lip and underbody work can keep you on the ground if they are applied strategically.

Just randomness, the Veyron has a W16, not a V16.

[now gs]

I just read every post and all I can say is :tweak: but there was some funny stuff too. The best one was this member bagging about the kid's grammar, but he forgot to check his own. :rofl:
dude you can barely spell or make complete sentences.

For the kid with the dream of going fast, anything is possible. However; it will take a lot of money, which you don't have :keke: and by the time you get enough money, I am willing to bet your interest will be elsewhere.

[98koukile]

Eh make an s13.5 coupe with a underbody splitter and a ls6 swap with the .5 6th gear. Make a front bumper with no vents and add a real splitter and canards. Pop a 60" wing on the rear and bring it to the wind tunnel. The corvette can hypothetically make it to 250 without drag and with 4.11 gears it can actually use 6th so a stock 240 rear end is perfect. With fresh bushing and a solid suspension with some 18x7s you may be able to reach your goal... its salt anyways who the fuck tries to get traction?

[timster]

Lol at neg repping my response. Don't ask a dumbfuck question and back it up with dumbfuck statements if you don't want dumbfuck answers.

[timster]

Haha neg repping another honest post. No wonder this site's reputation for fairness has been tarnished by a number of idiots.

[firelizard]

Well, I don't think OP has any chance of success at the moment, but the idea of a land speed record for the KA24 is not without merit. I doubt 200mph is a reasonable place to start though.

There can be a land speed record for anything, just do some research. I was reading the other day about some guy who has a Volkswagen Caddy on 13" steelies that holds the record for its class.

It's just a matter of finding the class appropriate for your vehicle, and go for it. Just build the fastest 240SX you can, then try it out.

[racepar1]

Lol at neg repping my response. Don't ask a dumbfuck question and back it up with dumbfuck statements if you don't want dumbfuck answers.

Haha neg repping another honest post. No wonder this site's reputation for fairness has been tarnished by a number of idiots.

Bitch about rep and get more red squares! That is one of the first rules you need to learn here! Life isn't fair my friend, why should zilvia be any better? It is all a big game here and you need to learn how to play, rep is just how we keep score. That's exactly what makes zilvia so fun, the game.

Back on topic now. 200 mph is absolutely not un-reasonable for an s-13 with a KA-T set-up. For a N/A KA it is at the outer limits of what would be possible though. If you have like 100 grand to blow on the car I'm sure you can do it though.

[[email protected]]

This thread is so full of BS it's really sad. Wide tires? 1000hp? Needing a heavy car?!?! Have you ever read anything about salt flat cars? Dude, seriously, they hold a Volkswagen beetle contest there with 36hp engines (yes thirty-six), that went over 100. Wide tires? Have you ever seen a salt flat car? You need to go look at some more web sites. As some people already stated, aerodynamics and gearing would be the major factors. Did you guys know that by the late 20's they had already broken 200mph at bonneville? LOL

[soreballz]

I read about a supercharged 3-cylinder Geo Metro that did 150+ at Bonneville. :keke:


I think 190mph would be a much more realistic goal, but NOT for an N/A KA... That extra 10 mph to get to 200 takes ALOT of work.

I had my stock KA with just intake and exhaust humming steadily along at about 5700 rpms in 5th gear. I have no idea how fast that is, but very quick and half-assed calculations would put it at about 135-140 mph... I might've been able to coax a few more mph out of it that night, but I blew my motor. :keke:
(Yeah yeah, those speeds on a public road is dumb as shit; I've sinced learned my lesson.)

I haven't put much thought into it, but I figure an LS1 with basic mods, + a cam and head work, T-56 with reworked gearing (I hear 6th gear likes to burn up during top speed runs), skinny tires, GOOD aero (that actually works), full undertray + diffuser... Should be able to get you into the 190 range.
Then again, don't take my word for it... Like I said, I haven't put much thought into it. lol


Ooh, if you guys wanna see what some stock-ish looking cars can do as far as top speed goes, look up Fensport. They're a UK company that specializes in Toyotas. They have a Corolla GT4 with a very built 3sgte, and it did 200.4 mph in 1.25 miles from a standing start. That is STUPID fast for a stock-bodied car. It also ran a 10.39 second quarter at 137mph.
linky:
http://www.fensport.co.uk/fensportcarsfiles/200mphnews.htm

[lflkajfj12123]

i didn't read much more into this thread but heres one thing people fail to realize

just because you have 18x12 wheels does not mean its going to help keep your rear end planted

wider wheels and tires give you better GRIP

the smaller the wheel width the more weight is focused on a square patch of tire about the size your hand this causes more force put down on the contact patch which results in less floating

you can test this for yourself, take a brick (or something heavy) put 4 larger block sized object in each corner and hold it in one hand

now do the same thing but replace the blocks with say screws on hold it

you'll notice there is more pressure at the contact points with the screws as there is more weight focused to a point

i hope that makes sense without me having to bring physics into it

[landins13]

if you want to join the 200mph club buy a yamaha r1 and remove the govener, youll make it to 200mph but have fun slowing down

[steve shadows]

if a V8 240sx went 217 then a KA24DE will probably at best take you to 180-210 depending on areo and how stable the suspension is. I want to do this really bad any1 want to sponsor me and donate money?

I can't figure out of this is a serious thread or not and why you have rep

this is bizzarre

....

Slowing down from 160-170 mph is hard. btw. S13's arent that unstable in my experience, they just arenot as stable as other cars.

You can't compare that bonneville car to your car, it's like comparing a turtle to a cheetah.

The chasis was probably tested in a wind tunnel, do you have access to a wind tunnel?

[timster]

Bitch about rep and get more red squares! That is one of the first rules you need to learn here! Life isn't fair my friend, why should zilvia be any better? It is all a big game here and you need to learn how to play, rep is just how we keep score. That's exactly what makes zilvia so fun, the game.

Back on topic now. 200 mph is absolutely not un-reasonable for an s-13 with a KA-T set-up. For a N/A KA it is at the outer limits of what would be possible though. If you have like 100 grand to blow on the car I'm sure you can do it though.

Lol nah I don't really give a fuck, I was more making conversation. Some people just fail.

And lol we should get back on that N/A KA conversation. New and revamped, can a N/A KA push a s13 to 200 mph?

[exitspeed]

This thread is really lame. Maybe if you already have had experience with high speed attempts you might have some validity, but it's doesn't sound like you do.

Like Steve said, have run trying yo stop from those speeds too.

I've been up to 150mp before, and let me tell you that, stopping is the scariest part.

And also...

Two words...DOWN FORCE. Unless it's one word, then I say...DOWNFORCE.

[racepar1]

Lol nah I don't really give a fuck, I was more making conversation. Some people just fail.

And lol we should get back on that N/A KA conversation. New and revamped, can a N/A KA push a s13 to 200 mph?

I'm sure it is possible, just not realistically so. Like I said if you have 100grand to dump into the car you can do about anything. I really have no interest in getting into any more arguments about N/A KA's though.

[steve shadows]

Like Steve said, have run trying yo stop from those speeds too.



Yeah on the fwy, on a runway it's just fine :keke:

[nzmoman]

Haha neg repping another honest post. No wonder this site's reputation for fairness has been tarnished by a number of idiots.


Word!!!!

ThatGuy,

Apologies for the PM

[importantone]

This thread is really lame. Maybe if you already have had experience with high speed attempts you might have some validity, but it's doesn't sound like you do.

Like Steve said, have run trying yo stop from those speeds too.

I've been up to 150mp before, and let me tell you that, stopping is the scariest part.

And also...

Two words...DOWN FORCE. Unless it's one word, then I say...DOWNFORCE.


I don't think this thread is lame. It's kind of cool to talk about the possibilities of pushing a S13 to the 200mph range... and seeing it's already been done in a V8 S13, I'm assuming it can be done again.

I've personally taken my lightly tuned STI with coilovers, rt615's, stock brembos, and basic boltons with tuning to 160mph before letting off. It didn't take forever and the brembos did a good enough job of bringing me back down to reasonable speeds. There is room for a load more of upgrading, aero, brakes, etc... for more speed.

Now to the S13... I am assuming the S would be more aerodynamic than a STI, and with a reasonable amount of power and the right kind of aero (blanked out front end, under tray, diffuser, etc.) I don't think 180+ is out of the picture. With higher HP levels (I'm thinking in the range of 450-500whp with a 1j or 2j) the car could make it in the range of 200hp.

I mean a freakin 2.0 4cylinder EVO2 well boosted hit 202mph in a short amount of time... and those things gotta be crap for Aerodynamics.

202mph - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SAFseY1mwV0

217mph - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3TPVe9VZpFE

[oscarsx]

Word!!!!

ThatGuy,

Apologies for the PM

amen to that!

[adrenalinejunkie47]

I totally admire your goal. I love the idea of setting a land speed record. Id probably use a supra though but thats just me. You might not be able to do that in a 240sx but you could reach 200+. Weight is not a factor. Lightening your car will only improve acceleration. The only thing that matters is horsepower and aerodynamics/drag coefficient. But renting a wind tunnel is expensive as hell (like $1000/hour). Go to www.topsecretjpn.com (http://www.topsecretjpn.com). The guy who founded it, Kazuhiko "Smoky" Nagata, does top speed runs. He uses mostly supras but I think they sell parts for the RPS13. Good luck and dont let anyone discourage you.

[drifting.8]

why idiotic its just a question
speed records r serous
what is the speed record 4 a s13?

please....
Its so hard to read that when there's numbers where letters are supposed to be.

[samvia]

I remember a euro video of a white S13 hatch

Probably Richie Beaumont's, did 190. Did a little search, it was geared for 207mph but never hit it before he sold all the bits off, 9k rev limit with a CA18 and fancy OS Giken box. That was 4 years ago though.

[HyperTek]

ive done 140 in my old s13 with removed governor dohc KA... with the relicabrated jdm 180kph to mph cluster.. no bodykit /stock bumpers. I think it ran out of breath. Maybe more hp and different gear ratio, you could do 180-200.. Id like to consider that supercar territory.

Z32 TT was estimated to have a top speed of 155.

Now slammed cars with big 18s negative stance and big bodykits, do you think they will have a better chance at high speed? I doubt it, maybe just more aerodynamic drag and rolling resistance.

[sr20boostn20]

anyone know the gear to speed ratio of a sr20det with stock gears.

i topped out 5th late the other night, and im just wondering how fast i was going?

[Matej]

Like Steve said, have run trying yo stop from those speeds too.
Pull the ebrake.

[240drifter1]

Pull the ebrake.

Werd, you could initiate a drift 2 miles before the turn starts.

[SexPanda]

Well, really you dont need to do anything to the engine if you look at it as a gearing issue. Just alot of suspension, aerodynamics to keep it on the ground. Then just make it to where your final drive ratio is like, 10:1, or 1:10... That shit.
Start saving for that veyron bro.

[rb25_s13*CHUKI]

I've maxed out my sr's 5th gear so i would say 150-160? I've gone 180 in my evo and woooooooo boy was it fun! Also not so fun.. Stopping wasn't a problem it's just my tires were crap so the car was starting to skate a little bit. Other than that it was awesome.. I say u go for it and build a bonneville 240. You gotta have access to a wind tunnel and lots of money

[wow-thats-a-cool-car]

dude people please stop reg reping me. All I did was voice my opinion just because u don't agree doesn't make me a bad person.
-thank you

moderators please lock due to lack of support

[tracks13]

Probably Richie Beaumont's, did 190. Did a little search, it was geared for 207mph but never hit it before he sold all the bits off, 9k rev limit with a CA18 and fancy OS Giken box. That was 4 years ago though.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xw9p2HmIp8s

http://www.norrisdesigns.com/demo-s13.asp


Owner: Richard Beaumont Updated: 16.08.2004 Engine Mods:
CA18DET 1809cc Turbo
8800Rpm Rev Limit
511.5 Hp At The Hubs
613.8 Hp At The Flywheel
458.3 LbFt At The Hubs
Geared Top Speed 200Mph+
Best Top Speed So Far 186Mph
ND Forged Pistons
ND Chrome Piston Rings
Lightened & Balanced Bottom End
ND Twin Plate Clutch & Custom Flywheel
ND Steel Billet Crankshaft
Trust Steel Conrods
ND Lightweight Solid Lifters
HKS Camshafts
Tomei Wide Coil Valve Springs
Tomei Adjustable Cam Pulleys
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SARD Adjustable Fuel Pressure Regulator
Bosch Motorsport Gp B Fuel Pump
ND Full Engine Management System
Full Greddy Turbine Kit TD06-25G
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3" Intercooler Pipework
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Undisclosed Compression Ratio
K&N Induction Kit
HKS Super Dragger Full Exhaust System
3 Bar Map Sensor
Motec M4 Pro Engine Management
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Remote Mounted Battery With Alloy Cover Transmission:
OS Giken Long Ratio Gearbox
ND 800Hp Twin Plate Clutch Kit
ND Quickshift Kit Interior Mods: ND Boost Gauge Kit
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Greddy B Spec Boost Controller
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Sparco Bucket Seats Chassis Mods:
Leda 2.5" Race Coilover Suspension Kit
Nismo Rear Sub-Frame Bushes (X 4)
Lowered 80mm All Round Brake Mods:
ND 355mm Front Brake Kit
Goodridge Braided Hoses
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18" X 7.5" Khan RSR's
Avon ZZ3 225/40/18 Tyres Sound Mods: None Needed! Build time: 5 Years Cost: £50,000 Plus Awards:
Most Powerful CA18DET Outside Japan

Again there's another factor, this kind of small engine makes lots of power high end, nothing low end. Things are different with a v8... and different with a 6spd or 5spd, gearing, etc... Something to consider too.

[steve shadows]

Pull the ebrake.

You havent really gone over 160 by much then...

That doesnt help me out- it actually usually makes it more dangerous...


carbon kevlar pads and ducts for the front rotors all the way...

[eds13]

heres something to make everybody get upset:D

http://video.aol.com/video-detail/rhombus-tuning-170mph-t66bb-sr20det-s13-240sx-vs-t25-s14/3011616522

[wow-thats-a-cool-car]

that video was awesome + rep for you

[Rocko]

I just read the article in SCC mag about their trip to the salt flats in an SR powered B12 sentra....interesting stuff..

I think it would be cool if someone took the time to build a top speed S13 but it would take alot of cash. Good luck

[KansaiDrifter]

i was gonna say, at stock redline, 6200 stock rear end gear4.1:1 ratio, an lS1 s14 went 155mph in 5th gear, unfortunatly had to brake for the corner, but it did bounce off the rev. limit so it's easy to say that a longer rear end gear, about 500 horse LS series engine, and an 8k redline, to me would easily do 200+. All of those aren't that unrealistic to obtain. I have run 360 small block sprint cars at 9k rpm flat out for 45 laps and since it's built for it, it keeps on ticking, look at the nascar guys, they run almost 10k rpm's for a very hard probably 700 miles, since there's all the practice runs, qualifying and the race itself, all super hard miles.

yeah I've wanted to run my LS13 on a flat out top speed trial. I'd have to support the front better though, probably fly of haha.

I'd rock the new Uras type GT kit s13.5 style for the aero with all the add on canards and rear diffusers plus it's a bad ass look haha.

just my 2 cents.

[GabeS14]

heres something to make everybody get upset:D

http://video.aol.com/video-detail/rhombus-tuning-170mph-t66bb-sr20det-s13-240sx-vs-t25-s14/3011616522

I dont get why people should get upset?
whats new about a car with a giant turbo prob pushing over 500hp beating a completely stock one? am I missing something?