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Options13
06-11-2008, 12:00 AM
alright well, i think i may have gotten water inside of my sohc i am about to put into my coupe, so i want to open it up and see whats up in the cylinders to see if there is any rust in there, all i would need is a headgasket then just slap everything back on and i would be good right? or would i need to get new bolts n **** would i be able to just get away with just replacing the head gasket if i took the head off
and does any one know the quality of autozone head gaskets?
like this one



http://www.autozone.com/R,APP686567/vehicleId,1035401/initialAction,partProductDetail/store,/partType,00527/shopping/partProductDetail.htm

arsvtcobra
06-11-2008, 12:11 AM
i work at autozone. there headgaskets are pretty good. The store I work at carries felpro in stock. so im sure all others do too. i havent heard of any of them blowing or being returned due to failure.

sidewayzsx
06-11-2008, 12:12 AM
your gonna need new bolts and since you took head off change your timing chain too... and i dont think that link works but good luck on w.e your doing

s14kouki_
06-11-2008, 12:16 AM
deck the block, resurface the head, and get a torque wrench to torque everything down to factory torque specs

Options13
06-11-2008, 12:20 AM
deck the block?

Aggies13
06-11-2008, 12:29 AM
I worked at Autozone for 4 years and honestly some of their products are questionable. But, Felpro makes a quality headgasket. I like their uber sealing technology that they have on most of their gaskets. However, you may take into account that you will be taking the head off, which means you will also need timing cover oil seals, exaust mani gasket, the 2 intake manifold gaskets, valve cover gasket with the 2 rubber seals, and others that you may need to replace. find out if its cheaper to get the Head gasket SET (which comes with most of if not all of the ones i just listed) or the full engine gasket set made by the OEM company Ishino from this site.

http://www.thepartsbin.com/catalog/?N=5789&Nr=OR(AND(make:Nissan,model:240SX,year:1989),AND(u niversal:1))&Vi=1684+11363+4294966997&y=1989&mk=Nissan&md=240SX

thats alot of work just to see if there is rust in there. if you're gonna yank the head off, you may as well rebuild the engine, because there is no piont putting back together a high mileage engine.

Options13
06-11-2008, 12:39 AM
thats true, way to much time and money... hmm

the last owner said in a post that the engine he sold me was running on 3 of 4 cylinders with a compression of 9 to 1, one of the cylinders being rusted to the cylinder wall...

soo, im not sure if that is accurate, but he sold me the engine saying it ran great.. so hopefully he keeps his word..

240esux
06-11-2008, 12:39 AM
yeah, ur gonna have to take it to a machine shop and have them re-surface the head so when u put on the fresh Head gasket it will go on flush.
GL;)

Aggies13
06-11-2008, 12:42 AM
yeah, deck the block; just resurfacing it so it is perfectly plane and flat. resurface head, new headbolts...

Honestly there is no point taking the thing off if you're not rebuilding it.

One idea i just had was to see if you can buy a cheaper fiber optic viewer and stick it through the spark plug hole to see if there is rust/corrosion.
http://www.toolsource.com/provision-flexible-fiberscope-shaft-p-78343.html

i know its pricey, but so cool!

another idea, shine a small, powerful flashlight in the spark plug hole and see if you can see anything.

or just rebuild the damn thing like you're supposed to :)

Aggies13
06-11-2008, 12:46 AM
thats true, way to much time and money... hmm

the last owner said in a post that the engine he sold me was running on 3 of 4 cylinders with a compression of 9 to 1, one of the cylinders being rusted to the cylinder wall...

soo, im not sure if that is accurate, but he sold me the engine saying it ran great.. so hopefully he keeps his word..


i'm confused, 3 out of 4 cylinders is not what i'd call "great", and NEVER trust someone else's word in the auto industry....EVER. Do your own testing and make you're own opinion, so if you F**k up, you can only blame yourself.

s13 @ fullboost
06-11-2008, 12:50 AM
What ever you decide to do just make sure you do it right the first time it will save you the head ache.

Aggies13
06-11-2008, 12:55 AM
What ever you decide to do just make sure you do it right the first time it will save you the head ache.

werd,

something my mentor taught me "do it right, do it once", saves you time, frustration and not to mention money.

infinitexsound
06-11-2008, 12:58 AM
kinda motor.....? i wouldnt buy new headbolts.. of course nissan says they tty, but ive never had a problem reusing the ones that came with the motor...

u could resurface.. but thats xtra money... just true it with a really good block... wd40 and some 220.. wetsand paper... clean it and slap it back on

projectRDM
06-11-2008, 08:38 AM
AutoZone does not make any parts, nor does any chain auto parts store, they simply carry and distribute other manufacturers parts. In this case, Felpro. Suggesting a Felpro gasket from AutoZone is different than one from anywhere else because you bought it at AutoZone is the stupidest thing I've heard of.

clark
06-11-2008, 08:57 AM
you could probably find a dohc swap for cheaper than all of this BS you will have to go through

Phlip
06-11-2008, 09:03 AM
you could probably find a dohc swap for cheaper than all of this BS you will have to go through

... and then for the amount of work, effort and given the fact that it is still a good idea to replace gaskets (ask me how I know :doh: ) with a used twincam swap, that "cheap" twincam swap could cause him to double up his cash outlay fast.

Aggies13
06-11-2008, 09:05 AM
AutoZone does not make any parts, nor does any chain auto parts store, they simply carry and distribute other manufacturers parts. In this case, Felpro. Suggesting a Felpro gasket from AutoZone is different than one from anywhere else because you bought it at AutoZone is the stupidest thing I've heard of.

No one said that a Felpro from Vatozone was different than one from O'wrongly's or Unadvanced. Felpro is a company who makes gaskets, and you can buy them from an auto parts store this is common knowledge. Chain auto parts stores have their house brand products that differ from each other. ex, Duralast from AZ, Ultima from Oreilly and Worldwide from Advance.

So, no AZ does not make their own parts but they sure have coporations backing them up with their own brand of poor quality products. who knows who actually makes these parts, they are still sold under the store house brand names.

truth is, most of these house brand parts are made by hundreds of different contractors across the world and they even sometimes differ based on application. ex; the autozone Duralast timing belt for my parents old Camry i helped them change was a high quality part made in Italy and it was alot cheaper than the poorer quality oem toyota one which was made here. But then if you look at the Duralast remanufactured line, they are made by a special contractor somewhere between 'bum f**k and you gotta pretty mouth' who does just that and spits out complete junk.

Aggies13
06-11-2008, 09:12 AM
you could probably find a dohc swap for cheaper than all of this BS you will have to go through

Um, find me a DOHC swap for $150....

and ya, even then, that DOHC isnt anymore exempt from a rebuild. Last time i checked, a full DOHC swap is pretty close to SR territory.

projectRDM
06-11-2008, 12:01 PM
No one said that a Felpro from Vatozone was different than one from O'wrongly's or Unadvanced. Felpro is a company who makes gaskets, and you can buy them from an auto parts store this is common knowledge.

Taken directly from the first post: "does any one know the quality of autozone head gaskets?"

Now I fully understood what he meant, but I'm also not a moron. However a good bit of people on this forum could read that exactly how it's stated, and assume AutoZone makes their own gaskets. Your suggestion of 'common knowledge' sadly doesn't always apply to a group of 16yr kids jacking off the pictures of an SR swap.
We're not in high school anymore, no need to try and act tough on a forum.

HalveBlue
06-11-2008, 04:14 PM
We're not in high school anymore, no need to try and act tough on a forum.

Booooooooo!

If that's the case, what else am I gonna do on the internet. I'm weak and scrawny in real life so the internet provides me with a perfect outlet for my thuggish-ruggish bone.

But....to add something constructive to this thread, you don't have to get the head resurfaced if you're taking it off. If you know what you're doing you can check the specs on the head and block, if they're within tolerances you can slap the two back together, no problem. Even the head bolts can be reused if they're within spec.

Of course, that's assuming you have the tools and know what you're doing.

Good Luck!

infinitexsound
06-11-2008, 10:12 PM
just effin buy the HG... if its fails then write a consumer report... if it doesnt.... then your in good shape....

Aggies13
06-12-2008, 12:12 AM
Taken directly from the first post: "does any one know the quality of autozone head gaskets?"

Now I fully understood what he meant, but I'm also not a moron. However a good bit of people on this forum could read that exactly how it's stated, and assume AutoZone makes their own gaskets. Your suggestion of 'common knowledge' sadly doesn't always apply to a group of 16yr kids jacking off the pictures of an SR swap.
We're not in high school anymore, no need to try and act tough on a forum.

i think we got off on the wrong foot here, let me appologize for the misunderstanding. in no way was my "common knowledge" directed at you specifically. i was simply stating that i agree with you on the fact that autozone mainly sells other people's products.

!Zar!
06-12-2008, 12:47 AM
kinda motor.....? i wouldnt buy new headbolts.. of course nissan says they tty, but ive never had a problem reusing the ones that came with the motor...

u could resurface.. but thats xtra money... just true it with a really good block... wd40 and some 220.. wetsand paper... clean it and slap it back on

Isn't the whole reason it's suggested to change the head studs because when you tighten them down, it stretches them just a tad or something?

I unno.

I figure it's worth the extra few bucks to do it right and swap in some new shit while it's easily accessible.

projectRDM
06-12-2008, 08:30 AM
Isn't the whole reason it's suggested to change the head studs because when you tighten them down, it stretches them just a tad or something?

I unno.

I figure it's worth the extra few bucks to do it right and swap in some new shit while it's easily accessible.

Correct, though I have reused head bolts as well before on stock rebuilds or head gasket jobs. If the engine isn't seeing boost then there's not been a lot of stress on the bolts, nor will there be. But for peace of mind on an engine that will see increased power or abuse it should really have new bolts installed.

D.Bo
06-15-2008, 11:55 AM
all autoparts stores carry the same products. just names have been changed. manufactors of the products are the same.

surreybc
06-15-2008, 02:59 PM
A lot of people say napa parts are better quality but they sell the same stuff that rock auto sells at a much higher price.

infinitexsound
06-16-2008, 02:02 AM
you could spend the extra money to buy the headbolts... but if your gonna buy a set... might as buy some arp stuff...

ive slapped on numerous heads.. and just kept reusing the old stuff...its just me personally... ive never had a problem reusing it...just follow the torque sequence....