Water wetter, who uses it?

[khilgers]

Right now I'm just running 50/50 pre-mix with a koyo radiator and dual 12" fans. On drift days I will stay at right around 200-210 degrees with both fans constantly running. Just wondering what your experience with water wetter is and if you did see a drop in temps and what your setup is. I would like to be able to at least do a run, turn both fans on, cool down, and run again withut having to constantly have my fans on. Any other suggestions are also appreciated.

[LongGrain]

i have a koyo, dual FAL electric fans, and run 50/50 + water wetter and ive never had an overheating problem, coolant did boil over at milwaukee mile, but engine temps stayed fine.

i'm probably going to flush and go with pure distilled water and water wetter for the summer, its supposed to be awesome.

[Mister.E]

my friend uses water wetter and says it works pretty well. when i swap my turbo this weekend ia m going to beadding some into my system. in the meantime i would suggest changing your mixture. 50/50 is good for the winter but if i was you id run 30coolant/70water for the summer it will help keep your temps down a little more. also make sure you use distilled water and not some shit from a garden hose. you need to have some sort of coolant in the mix though to prevent rust and corrosion in your cooling system.

[khilgers]

I wanna try just water and WW, but I'm hesitant to do so since I have Elko this saturday. If it ain't broke don't fix it, and I don't want to take any chances. I don't even think I need to run 50/50 anymore since I don't drive the car in the winter, it just sits in my garage.

[805-240]

i dont use it but lots of my friends do they say it works really good and if you want it to run be use wetter water and water

[LongGrain]

then you have no need for antifreeze really, just make sure you drain the cooling system before winter so it doesnt freeze

[khilgers]

And to the best of my knowledge the water wetter still has agents in it to help lubricate the cooling system.

[ripracer]

i have a koyo, dual FAL electric fans, and run 50/50 + water wetter and ive never had an overheating problem, coolant did boil over at milwaukee mile, but engine temps stayed fine.

i'm probably going to flush and go with pure distilled water and water wetter for the summer, its supposed to be awesome.

I have also heard straight distilled water is better than running a antifreeze, living in FL we can do just straight water thought the anitfreeze has properties in it that help lube your water pump.

I have used water wetter, engine kool, and royal purple ice all help with keeping the temps down. The only time I see my temps get high are when I forget to turn my fans on during a run, ooops.:spank:

[LongGrain]

I have also heard straight distilled water is better than running a antifreeze, living in FL we can do just straight water thought the anitfreeze has properties in it that help lube your water pump.

I have used water wetter, engine kool, and royal purple ice all help with keeping the temps down. The only time I see my temps get high are when I forget to turn my fans on during a run, ooops.:spank:

water wetter substitutes those lubricants that are in coolant.

so as long as you run water and ww, you will be good to go

[khilgers]

What the hell, I have a couple days. I'm gonna try the water and WW only and see what kind of temps I come up with. I have a feeling with only 10 of us signed up, having access to Elko for 4 hours I'm gonna be running pretty damn hot.

[LongGrain]

i wish i could make it, but fuck, thats really far for me to come for only 4 hours of driving :(

i'll be at rockford and milwaukee mile though.

[flip3d]

I use it. 1 bottle of WW, rest distilled water. Gotta love how hot FL is.

Koyo Rad, FAL fans. Runs cool as shit.

Once I move to Missouri, I'm gonna run 50/50 with the recommended amount of WW.

[khilgers]

could you equate "shit" to an actual temp?

[flip3d]

could you equate "shit" to an actual temp?

I dont know the actual temp but the needle in the cluster sits noticeably under what 50/50 sits at.

[yoni_nismo]

im using ww and distilled water and went to the track on sunday and was driving tha car hard and no overheating the whole day i was surprised because a week ago i was 50/50 coolent and water the car was overheating in trafic :(

water weter...FTW

[slw240sx]

the glycol in the coolant will actually help because it increases the boiling point of the water. i would run a 70 30 mix with water wetter to top it off. the 70 being water.

[slw240sx]

also if you don't already have a good aftermarket coolant temperature gauge invest in one ASAP. the factory gauges can be really off. you could already be overheating by the time it gets to H

[louisdaboois]

I live by water wetter. I use a 1/2 gallon of antifreeze (seeing that the block and rad are flushed) and the rest water with a koyo rad, and a 10" e-fan throughout drift days and daily driving, I never go above 190*.

I like to use a little bit of antifreeze just because im not a huge fan of rust forming in the block or rad, granted it probably never will. water wetter is whats up

[SimpleSexy180]

distilled water will help with rust..no?

[GoodOl'S13]

distilled water will help with rust..no?

water wetter will.
http://www.redlineoil.com/products_coolant.asp

[louisdaboois]

distilled water will help with rust..no?

lol, im just paranoid/OCD. I spray my car off right after it rains and dry it off so it doesnt leave water spots. and clean off the finger prints off my door handle after i shut/open it.

[kafanylovesme]

I personally tried Water Wetter + Distilled Water at this past weekend's event and I didn't notice my car overheating AT ALL in the Mojave Desert. I'm not too sure on the ACTUAL temperature, but I stayed just above 1/4 the whole day. Maybe 3/8?

Previous event I did, my car overheated A LOT when running only 50/50 antifreeze stuff. So I'd say go for it with the WW+Distilled water. Stuff is excellent.

[revat619]

dude wtf? I dont get this. I mean i do, but i think its just a dumb ass phrase. Water wetter? Making water more wet than it already is? thats fucking stupid. Its water already. WTF? No need to answer this, i'm more or less thinking out loud. lol

Carry on. :bow:

[SILEIGHTY_DET]

glycol based coolants wont lower the temps in the engine , it just raises the boiling point of the water . so if you were to run water only , your car would run cooler . ww will actually lower the engine temps in its heat transfer properties . we have to use the ww in our karts . the stuff is awesome ! i notice about a 35degree drop in my system when i use it in the correct mixture . i cant use it in the winter because the motor wouldnt reach optimum temps . it is also better for the track if you blow a hose , and its bio degradable . hope this helps

http://www.redlineoil.com/products_coolant.asp there is the link to redlines page for some more info on it

Scott

[MangoDorifto]

Just did a cooling system overhaul in my s14. instead of going 50/50 mix, i went with distilled water, RMI-25 and water wetter mix. Been using water wetter with good results for years now, first time using RMI-25 though.

[MELLO*SOS]

I ran water wetter and water and very very little antifreeze in my KA for over a year. No problems with overheating in vegas heat, but when I pulled my KA I noticed that there was quite a bit of rust in the water. Whenever I'd top off the rad or overflow tank I'd just use water, I think I ended up with next to no antifreeze in the system & just didn't check/flush it often enough.

I'll be running 20-30% antifreeze, distilled water and WW in my RB... not a fan of the rust.

[GSXRJJordan]

If I were running a KA I'd be sure to run at least a little antifreeze, because of the anti-rust agents.

On my SR with aluminum rad in my S14, I was worried about my vented hood not cooling properly without all the ducting I still haven't made, so I used distilled water (about 3 gallons, 2.5 or so) and Motul Mo'Cool (stupid name, proven product) that's similar to Water Wetter, mixed 20:1 per instructions (used about 700ml out of a 1L bottle). I also installed an oil cooler, so that helps with the high boost times (turbo heats oil up like crayyyyzeeeee).

I used to run around 200*F whenever I'd step on the throttle, and 220* when going up a hill @ 80mph, running the Crest, etc... taht was when the motor was in my S13 with a dinky ass fan with a 50/50 mix.

Now, the car barely ever reaches 200*... on the freeway, I can do a full pull (for me that's 2nd gear onramp all the way through the top of 4th, takes about a half mile) and the temp sits around 190* @ 80* ambient temps. I'm sure the oil cooler helps out, but the fact is that my temps are rock solid now.

I highly recommend it.

[SoguRacing]

^Good info, I need to upgrade my radiator. may do just this.

[JeremyR]

distilled water and water wetter is the best route to go, especially in the states where it doesnt get cold enough for water to freeze. if you do live in a colder climate, but dont drive in the winter, just run the WW and distilled water. water will be the best tool for heat dispersal.

[water]

I had similar results as people have stated hear. I live in hot as balls FL and after a few events of near over-heating, i went with a water/water wetter combo. My average water temps dropped - sometimes warming up is an issue now since it takes so long - and the car doesn't get hot after hard driving anymore. Im doing an event in July which should be a real test. I have a dying clutch fan too and I may just switch to electric (i know, i know).

[IIIXziuR]

Jeff's set-up sounds legit.
I probably am going to do something similar.
I don't want my car melting!

[240trainee]

I run water wetter, and my shit stays cool, don't have any back to back shit, but what I'm running seems to work well, so why change it?

Koyo style Radiator
Clutch fan w/o shroud
50/50 coolent with water wetter.

I do need to get an e-fan setup, and have already bought a seibon hood, just need to pick it up.

But it stays pretty cool, only thing that kills it is waiting in line at 100* drift days, but still only barely over 200*.

[DALAZ_68]

i used 2 bottle of water wetter and distilled...shit stayed fucken cool during summer

but i wouldnt recomend 2 bottles...lol i just had it and dumped it in

[krazydriver]

Works good for me, I'm running ~ 70/30 water/coolant mix with the water wetter thrown in. Between the distilled water and the WW temp dropped almost 25* F.
Coolant prior to that was probably a 50/50 mix maybe higher, with hose water.

Average running temp now, boosting and really romping on it is 185-190.

[HalveBlue]

Just wondering where are you all tapping the water temp at?

Before the coolant reaches the block like the stock sensor, or after it's done circulating through the block?

I tap my temp gauge at the coolant return neck and am seeing 180-200* F. That's with 2 FAL fans running constantly, running straight 50/50.

[khilgers]

I'm running my defi off of the upper radiator hose via a greddy fitting.

[ripracer]

Just wondering where are you all tapping the water temp at?

Before the coolant reaches the block like the stock sensor, or after it's done circulating through the block?

I tap my temp gauge at the coolant return neck and am seeing 180-200* F. That's with 2 FAL fans running constantly, running straight 50/50.

You want the sensor pretty much as close to the head as possible for the reading to be accurate.

Also if it hasn't been mention duct work or shrouding is a great way to make sure the air you moving is usable also having a vented hood or spacing the back of the hood up has had some great effects i've heard.

[Mister.E]

Just wondering where are you all tapping the water temp at?

Before the coolant reaches the block like the stock sensor, or after it's done circulating through the block?

I tap my temp gauge at the coolant return neck and am seeing 180-200* F. That's with 2 FAL fans running constantly, running straight 50/50.

do you mean you have it tapped in the lower hose? if thats the case you may want to swap it to the upper hose. by taking the temp on the lower hose you see the temp of the coolant coming from the radiator and by tapping at the upper hose you see the temp coming from the engine before its cooled. i hear that the best spot is it put your gauge sensor in place of the sensor for the shitty dummy gauge on the dash. just make sure you dont put it in place of the ECU temp sensor....:x:

[GSXRJJordan]

Just wondering where are you all tapping the water temp at?

I thought a lot about this, and because I use a mechanical water temp gauge, I couldn't tap at the factory location.

I ended up drilling/tapping the bottom of my radiator (the lower tank) on the 'hot' side (the driver's side, closer to the upper side than lower side). The coolant has to come 'down' the rad tubes to make it to the lower tank, and therefore to the coolant return, so I know I'm getting an accurate, if slightly hot, reading.

Ducting around your e-fan's is crucial. From my experience, just slapping a fan on gives you about 50% of the cooling power at a stop compared to proper ducting.
*Case in point* my 12" BMW 318i fan (crap) with a .016" aluminum shroud I made brings temps down quicker at a stop than my 15" 2400cfm Permacool fan with no shroud - this is partially because the 15" fan doesn't sit flush with the radiator, it sits at a slight slant because it's too tall. I'll be making another aluminum shroud soon, along with aluminum ducting along the sides and top of the radiator to meet the vented hood.

[khilgers]

Well I picked some up and it dropped my 70MPH cruising temps from 170 to 160, definate improvement. I am going to be doing some experimenting to see what kind of difference I can get from my S14 SR, Koyo radiator, FAL dual 12" fan setup.

50/50 temp= 170
50/50 + WW=160

after this event I am going to be switching to all distilled water and WW and I will update once that happens.

[slw240sx]

I just got off the dyno from 3 straight hours of tuning with little to no breaks in steady state tuning with load on a dynodynamics. im running 80 20 water to coolant no water wetter, only one of two fans running on low. we didnt see water temps above 190deg the whole time.

I thought about buying some, but i think it will make getting the car up to temp difficult.


my temps were taken in the head where the stock sender is located, im running a 1st Gen DSM radiator and fans. 30$ setup that cools really great.

[Pho Man]

I ran water wetter in my S14 SR, with stock Radiator. I was using the pre-mix prestone stuff and topping it off with the water wetter. I noticed the needle had drop down some. Never had a problem with my car over-heating.

[!Zar!]

Distilled water and a bottle of water wetter.

So... when are people going to start about pouring soap in the radiator? Haven't seen any of those threads lately.

[GSXRJJordan]

Soap? Cause foaming action has to be good for cars, right? WTF? lol

[slw240sx]

Distilled water and a bottle of water wetter.

So... when are people going to start about pouring soap in the radiator? Haven't seen any of those threads lately.

i have a customer that puts a little bit of brake fluid, or was it power steering fluid in with his coolant. I can not remember why, some shade tree mechanic told him about it.

[!Zar!]

Putting brake fluid in the coolant is a ghetto way to try and seal a leaking head gasket.

Some people crack an egg and toss it in the radiator.

Eggs, soap, brake fluid.

All have been put in radiators. I know there are other things, but none I can remember being done at the moment.

Search around here, I think it has been talked about on zilvia before.

[water]

Somebody once told me water wetter was basically soap. I found out one of the main active ingredients is found in a lot of liquid soaps. I have heard a couple drops of dove liquid has similar effects.

[Flipzide]

I use redline water wetter...

i ran my single cam hard at the track for the past year using distilled water and redline. i've only overheated once and that was because my fan started eating through the shroud and eventually got caught during a run, HAHHAH.

but at WSIR, i run 190-200* F in 90-100* F weather in the desert.

[HalveBlue]

do you mean you have it tapped in the lower hose? if thats the case you may want to swap it to the upper hose. by taking the temp on the lower hose you see the temp of the coolant coming from the radiator and by tapping at the upper hose you see the temp coming from the engine before its cooled.

To clarify, I have my temp sensor sitting on the coolant return neck (the one located on the driver side).

I bought an S14 waterneck which has a tap for the turbo coolant line. Since I have an S13 blacktop I just used that tap for my water temp sensor. That way I can measure the coolant temp AFTER it's done circulating through the block.

Like I mentioned earlier I usually read temps anywhere from 180-200*, which, judging from the posts in the this thread, seems pretty normal.

i hear that the best spot is it put your gauge sensor in place of the sensor for the shitty dummy gauge on the dash. just make sure you dont put it in place of the ECU temp sensor....:x:

Actually, I disagree. Putting the gauge in place of the factory sensor would give you a reading of the coolant before it circulates the block. I'd rather measure the temp after it circulates through the block which would let me know if the engine is experiencing dangerous temperature levels.

Only problem now is figuring out at what point the engine "overheats". From what little I've been able to gather normal operating temp is up to 220*, which seems a little high to me.

[GSXRJJordan]

220* isn't "super" high man. The stock temp gauge doesn't even start moving until 220+. It's full hot is 240*+.

Remember, as long as the coolant stays liquid, it's still doing it's job, and you won't have any 'hot pockets'. Once it boils, it loses almost all ability to remove heat from the engine, and you'll have heat buildup in certain areas that will do damage (like warp the head/etc). It's all about keeping it liquid at those temps.

That's why all aftermarket radiators come with "high pressure" 1.1bar caps. The higher the pressure, the higher the boiling point. At 1.1bar, most coolant mixes (50/50 -> distilled water) won't boil until 235+. You might get a small amount of steam coming out of the overflow, but the coolant is still working.

The whole point of watching the temp though it to:
1) look for conditions under which the temps go up/stay up, to better troubleshoot your cooling system, and
2) get an early warning when something is wrong. Almost all catastrophic engine problems start with temps going up.

[mRclARK1]

Soap? Cause foaming action has to be good for cars, right? WTF? lol

It's sooooaaap... It'll clean the engine. :duh:

:keke:

I've always run a bottle of water wetter with about a 60/40 - 70/30 mix of water to coolant, depending on time of year etc. Never had a problem with temps. This summer I'll probably try straight water and water wetter just to see if there's any significant improvement.