Tein HE

[Danio]

What is it about Tein HE coilovers that make them for drifting? Like what's different about them from HA, other than stiffer springs? Would they be good for gripping as well?

[Dousan_PG]

i have HEs so i can comment

spring rates are 8kg front 6 kg rear
double height adjustable (shock height and spring height)
camber plates (not optional, come with the coilovers)
16 way damper adjustable
coating wont rust


i am assuming the valving is more agressive due to the harness one has when drifting on the suspension, but dont knw for sure
you can bump your spring rates up too (i am going to 9/8 8/6 is too soft for me drifting). but i think they are "drift spec" because they are 8/6 (common setup), have camber plates (add neg camber-mine are almost maxed out to -3.5 or -4) and double height adjustable so you can change your shock stroke without changing your car's height. or vise-versa..change the height and keep same shock stroke..

um..hope that helps.

yes mine are too soft imho. too much body rolll and my sway bars are set to full max stiffness (whiteline). so i'll go 10/8 10/9 or 9/8 or 9/7 still unsure...a second car would be nice now haha..
ill see how they do this weeknd, i adjusted them a bit, and going to replace my sway bar endlinks if im not so lazy...er...

[HippoSleek]

Marketing gimmick?

Seriously - the Flex is 6/5 (336/280), the HA was 6/5, and the He is 8/6 (448/336).  Generally speaking, those rates are not that stiff for a 2700+ lbs. car (most tracked 2300 lbs. civics are atleast 400/350... mine in autox trim was 375/450).  Second, the difference in the rates f to r isn't what I'd expect for a "drift" set up.  For that, I would expect rear rates closer to front rates (like 8/7 or even 7/7).

In any event, a name is a name and as long as they use linear springs and keep the rates w/n 75-80% of each other, they will work for whatever purpose requires such a spring.

[AKADriver]

Just an aside, the S13 Flex is only 5/4 (280/224).

[Danio]

Wow, spring rates are adjustable and shock stroke also? Awesome. =P I wonder why these cost less than HA with pillow mounts. Anyway, thanks a lot for all the info. Hopefully I'll be ordering a set of these soon. If anyone knows of a good deal on these, let me know. :)

Oh and I heard that they have to be imported from Japan and would take 2 to 3 weeks. Is that correct?  O_o  Cuz I'm hoping to get these by Dec 28's track day and if they take so long to ship, I better order really soon.

[Dousan_PG]

yep japan only, its special order now. they want to make way for the flex model

yeah 8/6 is too soft..that's why i'm bumping up..7kg rear is only 50 bucks a spring..cheap cheap
anyways
you probably will BARELY get them in time if you do

yes,its a marketing gimmick of sorts.. why? because only HKS Hypermax and JIC FLT-A2s are double height, tein is a low end competitor for that market of drifters who want those options. not everyone in jaan can afford Apex, HKS, Cusco and JIC (2K plus for those setups). its a cheaper option that offers same type of adjustability

[Bbandit]

okay now.. where is the best place to order this?? i know wholesaleperformance has one but they havent respond my email yet...

[Dousan_PG]

i heard Machiii.net was cool, cant say from expirience. they are in San Francisco i think

i had the very very unfortunate expirience of going thru lost projects group buy (here on zilvia). sigh..

email tein, they are somewhat fast repliers, they might recommend someone locally or otherwise.

[HippoSleek]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Danio @ Dec. 02 2002,3:36)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Wow, spring rates are adjustable and shock stroke also? Awesome. =P I wonder why these cost less than HA with pillow mounts.</td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'>
Sorry for the confusion - the spring rates are NOT adjustable. &nbsp;It is a standard linear spring. &nbsp;The rates are f/r - not a range. &nbsp;You can, as noted by dousan, buy new springs to replace the existing ones (as you can w/ any coilover system) for a reasonable price. &nbsp;However, to do this, you really **should** get the dampers revalved to compensate for the new rate. &nbsp;

It is *double* height adjustable. &nbsp;Which means you can adjust the height of the car independant of the shock stroke. &nbsp;In reality, there is NO benefit to "pre-loading" a linear spring (unless you like bottoming out your shocks) - so you will want the stroke length adjusted to full travel and the height wereever you feel comfortable. &nbsp;I think of it as a single adjust though b/c you'd have to be a bit dim to adjust your height by reducing travel if you don't have to.

And yeah - its all about clearing inventory. &nbsp;The Flex will be able to fill the model line for both the HA and HE w/ ease (esp. since few wanted the extra spring rates b/c they are so commonly used on the streets).

[kanekz]

Well I was looking to get a set of HE's myself. Now reading this thread, do you guys NOT RECOMMEND getting the HE's. &nbsp;Would the FLEX be better choice for drifting apllications. I was thinking about going for the JIC FLT-2A until I heard that some parts were made in Taiwan (which shouldn't REALLY matter that much &nbsp;<img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/tounge.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':p'> ).

Now not sure what to do. &nbsp;What you guys think?

[adey]

...I don't care if my JIC Magic FLT-A2s were made in Zimbabwe or India... they're sexy things and look like they'll out-last and out-perform any Tein piece that I've seen (HE/HA/HR), and so far, they've given me nothing but sheer driving pleasure. <img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/thumbs-up.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':thumbsup:'>

[Dousan_PG]

werd. go with adey and the JICs.
i should have...d'oh!

[drift freaq]

And on that note shameless plug time. Neishlin motors?Cartune carries both Tein and JIC give them a holler . We will be carrieing them in the Bay area as well early next year.

Dave

[Beef]

I haven't heard anything negative about the quality of the JICs, but I have heard multiple first hand comments about the stiffness of the JIC FLT-A2. I have no complaints at all about my HE's, I love 'em. I have been told that they ride a lot smoother than the JICs by a passenger that rode in respectively equipped S13s.

As far as the "drift equipped" labeling. &nbsp;Although these would be/are a good choice for drifters, I suspect it's more marketing than anything.

[Dousan_PG]

its the valving on the JICs that make them stiff..sigh..my teins are so tiny &nbsp;<img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/sad.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':('>

[kanekz]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (adey @ Dec. 03 2002,01:16)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">...I don't care if my JIC Magic FLT-A2s were made in Zimbabwe or India... they're sexy things and look like they'll out-last and out-perform any Tein piece that I've seen (HE/HA/HR), and so far, they've given me nothing but sheer driving pleasure. <img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/thumbs-up.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':thumbsup:'></td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'>
Well, thats what I was kinda thinking. &nbsp;So I guess it might be settled for me, I will probably purchase the JIC's. &nbsp;

BTW: 2 of my friends were working at the JIC office in SoCal, but they quit. &nbsp;MAN, I should've took advantage earlier! &nbsp;<img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/tounge.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':p'> &nbsp;

But THE REASON for quiting: They never got their PAYCHECKS! Can you believe that. &nbsp;Probably bad management. &nbsp;Anyways sorry for the side track... so you guys recommend the JIC over Tein huh? Gotcha.

[planb]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (kanekz @ Dec. 03 2002,02:25)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Well I was looking to get a set of HE's myself. Now reading this thread, do you guys NOT RECOMMEND getting the HE's. Would the FLEX be better choice for drifting apllications. I was thinking about going for the JIC FLT-2A until I heard that some parts were made in Taiwan (which shouldn't REALLY matter that much <img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/tounge.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':p'> ).

Now not sure what to do. What you guys think?</td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'>
Flex is a WAY different setup than HE or JIC FLT-A2. &nbsp;Flex is a mild street setup, HE and FLT-A2 are both circuit/street setups. &nbsp;If you plan on drifting, HE's or FLT-A2 are good decisions, Flex is not.

Dont forget there are other companies out there besides JIC and Tein. &nbsp;Zeal, HKS, and Apex'i coilovers are all readily available in the US. &nbsp;I personally favor Zeal over all of these &nbsp;<img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/thumbs-up.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':thumbsup:'>

[Dousan_PG]

HKS is an overprice company. you pay for the name. especially in electronics.
anywyas

apex is EXCELLENT. the largest piston on the market for coilovers iirc. very well engineered coilover.i am upgrading to apex later..maybe next year. hmm. pricy though. ouch. no rush.

zeal yes i would take zeal along with JIC as well. i saw alex chang's zeals and like them VERY MUCH.
good thing about zeal and JIC..revalving!! very easy to rebuild by the company (inverted strut) at the bottom. good set up. zeal are just as good (if not better) then JICs too.

[kanekz]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (planb @ Dec. 04 2002,1:57)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"></span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (kanekz @ Dec. 03 2002,02:25)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Well I was looking to get a set of HE's myself. Now reading this thread, do you guys NOT RECOMMEND getting the HE's. Would the FLEX be better choice for drifting apllications. I was thinking about going for the JIC FLT-2A until I heard that some parts were made in Taiwan (which shouldn't REALLY matter that much <img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/tounge.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':p'> ).

Now not sure what to do. What you guys think?</td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'>
Flex is a WAY different setup than HE or JIC FLT-A2. Flex is a mild street setup, HE and FLT-A2 are both circuit/street setups. If you plan on drifting, HE's or FLT-A2 are good decisions, Flex is not.

Dont forget there are other companies out there besides JIC and Tein. Zeal, HKS, and Apex'i coilovers are all readily available in the US. I personally favor Zeal over all of these <img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/thumbs-up.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':thumbsup:'></td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'>
Sorry, but I dont have $2200+ to dish out on the coilovers. I understand what you are saying though. But for the top-end companies, they just are not im my price range. If I had the money, I'd probably get Cusco or GAB coilovers anyway. <img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/tounge.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':p'>