Zeal super function vs. topline aragosta

[Nismo_420sx]

I was wondering what the better coilover is for a weekend warrior with some track use. I'm looking for the best coilover for grip, I don't really care about ride quality. This is going on an s14 if that makes any difference.

[lil240sx95]

there is a thread just for coilover discussion look for it.

[fliprayzin240sx]

I got the aragostas and my buddys S15 got the zeals. His feels way softer than mine, so thats better for daily driver in my opinion. Then again, it all depends on how you set it up.

[FRpilot]

both are top notced systems. probably not going to get much input on it as not many people have used those systems on zilvia.

if it helps with your decision, zeal has a US facility if you need a rebuild on your coilovers instead of shipping them to Japan. topline aragosta would probably have to be shipped to europe, which would be a longer turnaround.

i am considering zeal function d series for purely drifting on my track s13, the super function series would be a good choice also.

[Nismo_420sx]

I got the aragostas and my buddys S15 got the zeals. His feels way softer than mine, so thats better for daily driver in my opinion. Then again, it all depends on how you set it up.

Well I'm not going to daily my car. Since you've ridden/driven both, albeit in different chassis, what do you think is better for track?

[McRussellPants]

ASTs for sure.

[srpowereds14]

Im running the Zeal Super Functions and i don't recommend them for street.

[dynamicck]

aragosta's shocks are actually AST from Holland (ast owns aragosta) www.AST-suspension.com
And companies like JRZ and Moton, the owners used to work for AST.

If you look on AST's website you can see that Aragosta is a "distributor" for AST.

I know Zeals are top quality and they are one of the premier brands from Japan. But AST shocks are one of the finest in the world.

[fliprayzin240sx]

Hmm...didnt know theres an Aragosta distributor in the states...that means they can rebuild it too.

[!Zar!]

SPLparts.com sells them. So I'd say contact Kuah about rebuild info.


AST's are the way to go.

[srpowereds14]

Can the aragostas be customized, i know the zeals can be.

[FRpilot]

Hmm...didnt know theres an Aragosta distributor in the states...that means they can rebuild it too.

if they have a us facility.. if its just a distributor, i doubt it. a us distributor probably has better communication/network with the company and can get the stuff more readily, but probably has to be sent to the japanese manufacturing facilities to be rebuilt. much like silkroad.

[Nismo_420sx]

is splparts.com the only place you can purchase AST coilovers for an s14 stateside?

[McRussellPants]

Peak performance sells ASTs.


the ones from SPL are a different model though so they won't be 4k or whatever like Peak Performance's,

[shift_drift]

And companies like JRZ and Moton, the owners used to work for AST.


False....the guys who started JRZ previously worked for Koni.

[derk]

since you are looking at top end coilovers anyways, have you given thought to the Ohlins Flag-R?

[((sr)) kelly]

Ohlins.


thread/

[Jgrand03]

love my ohlins you might want to also look into those since ur prepared to spend the cash

[dynamicck]

I have the Peak AST coilovers for S14. Only thing I dont like, you cant slam the car like most jdm coilovers.
European manufactures never make the coilover height adjustable by the lower end.

[Nismo_420sx]

since you are looking at top end coilovers anyways, have you given thought to the Ohlins Flag-R?

i haven't really heard much about the ohlins, to tell the truth I didn't know they even made coilovers for an s14. I will have to look into those as well.

[a_ahmed]

Join www.nissanroadracing.com to get a good idea of what's a good setup, and discuss what you have in mind coilover/damper wise :) aragosta stuff is pretty good.

[boozels]

either way you cannot go wrong

[Frosty_spl]

Moton
or
Ohlins

done.

[McRussellPants]

Moton
or
Ohlins

done.

Name drop expensive part I know nothing about.
or
Completely incomparable mild street coilover.


done.

[!Zar!]

I find it pointless if you aren't even truly tracking your car.

Spending all that money on coilovers is a waste if your car might, " IE most likely wont" make it to the track.

[Aoshi112]

aragosta's shocks are actually AST from Holland (ast owns aragosta) www.AST-suspension.com
And companies like JRZ and Moton, the owners used to work for AST.

If you look on AST's website you can see that Aragosta is a "distributor" for AST.

I know Zeals are top quality and they are one of the premier brands from Japan. But AST shocks are one of the finest in the world.

According to the email I got from AST USA, that's not quite right.

Brian at AST USA was kind enough to respond to my inquiry as I heard great things about AST coilovers.

"Single adjustable is $1750. Top mounts are optional. Fronts are $385 Rears are $230. 3 way shocks come with top mounts. Doubles have not been created for the S14, but we can probably do them. Struts and shock doubles are usually around $2650. We can use whatever spring rates you want.

Topline is AST's dealer in Japan. They didn't want to use the AST name so he came up with Aragosta."

Oh and I believe the founder of AST used to work for Koni. I read that somewhere.

[((sr)) kelly]

I find it pointless if you aren't even truly tracking your car.

Spending all that money on coilovers is a waste if your car might, " IE most likely wont" make it to the track.


this is actually true for most people including myself hahaah

[PoorMans180SX]

Aragostas are customizable, I talked to SPL about getting custom spring rates/damping. They said Aragosta will customize the springs rates, and custom damp them for the springs. They also have the adjustable lower mounts, which a lot of the higher-end companies don't have. Not that it's super-important, but it is kinda nice to have. I believe it's $3000 for custom rated Toplines. You could also get the 3-way adjustable upgrade, but that's another $2000. Which, btw, is still under Moton 2-way adjustable range ($5300).

[tacotacotaco]

I wonder if any of use can even fully utilize and tune 3 way adj coilovers.

[steve shadows]

If your doing a lot of track days I'm sure it would be useful...

[HalveBlue]

90% of people that buy coilovers use them to lower their cars and that's it (and maybe to add the bling JDM factor to their rides).

Very few people actually buy coilovers because they worry about corner balancing and making sure that their suspension meets their track needs.

That having been said, anybody that's spending several thousand dollars on competition level coilover systems just to be able to lower their ride is wasting their money.

But whatever, the incessant debate over coil over quality will continue regardless (with the majority of participants in the discussion completely oblivious to the true value of these components).

[dynamicck]

According to the email I got from AST USA, that's not quite right.

Brian at AST USA was kind enough to respond to my inquiry as I heard great things about AST coilovers.

"Single adjustable is $1750. Top mounts are optional. Fronts are $385 Rears are $230. 3 way shocks come with top mounts. Doubles have not been created for the S14, but we can probably do them. Struts and shock doubles are usually around $2650. We can use whatever spring rates you want.

Topline is AST's dealer in Japan. They didn't want to use the AST name so he came up with Aragosta."

Oh and I believe the founder of AST used to work for Koni. I read that somewhere.

I wouldnt doubt it. Everyone starts somewhere then out grows where they started.

I do have the single adjustable ones, only complaint, no bottom mount adjustability. The difference between AST and Aragosta is price and bottom height adjustable. If you dont slam the car, get AST.

[mmdb]

As may stated before it really depends what you'll be doing ith the car and how you track the car to really justify spending the money on an expensivee set of coilovers. As an example, higher end coilovers offer more precise dampening control with the use of higher quality parts and valvin technology. This allows for better dampening control over varying surfaces. whereas lower end brand coilovers might give a stiffer and lower ride, but can they offer consistent performance on the circuit? 99 percent would rather not care. so going back to whether or not you should spend a lot of money on these coils is a function of cost and purpose.

[yokotas13]

i <3 my aragostas

best shit ive ever owned, and ive had al;ot of name brands.

except zeal lol,

but yeha, i dont regret buying my aragostas at all

[yokotas13]

Can the aragostas be customized, i know the zeals can be.
yes completely to include external resivoirs

[Nismo_420sx]

i <3 my aragostas

best shit ive ever owned, and ive had al;ot of name brands.

except zeal lol,

but yeha, i dont regret buying my aragostas at all

have you ever tried the koni/gc setup? I was reading on nissansroadracing.com and everyone on there says they are better than any coilover until you get up to the $5000 motons. Do you feel the aragostas are better than the koni setup? I know there is a section on this forum about the konis, but I just wanted some input from people that have actually experienced both not just some bs rumors that everyone assumes to be true.

[yokotas13]

i personally havent, becuase i like to be low and handle well

koni GC isnt really low friendly, i have used ohlins though, i liked em

i like aragosta cause its super dupr comfy until you turn in, then it instantly stiffens up to give you fantastic cornering ability

even y wife doesnt bitch

[RanciD]

I have a Koni/GC setup. It can pretty much be whatever you want depending on what you want and how much work you're willing to do to get there. If you go with off the shelf yellows in stock housings and mild springs you'll have a comfortable and capable street/weekend setup but you can't go very low. On the other hand you can go 86 series in modified or custom housings like veilside180's and have a top notch setup and go as low as you could reasonably want for a bit more cash. Or any combination of things in between. At the end of the day any Koni setup is going to be better than the off the shelf JDM stuff. High quality dampers go a long way for both comfort and performance. I've never used Aragosta so I can't speak about them but if you need any more Koni info let me know.

[yokotas13]

aragosta isnt off the shelf

literally every application has been installed, tested, modifed valved, for that specific car

there are no S13/A31/C33 universl aplpication
each application has its own springrates, valving characteristics to benefit that vehicle.

not quite off the shelf

[RanciD]

aragosta isnt off the shelf

literally every application has been installed, tested, modifed valved, for that specific car

there are no S13/A31/C33 universl aplpication
each application has its own springrates, valving characteristics to benefit that vehicle.

not quite off the shelf

Sorry didn't mean to imply they were, I should have been more clear.

[yokotas13]

id be pissed if i paid the reatil price for an off the shelf item (3200 in a stagea pplication)

[Nismo_420sx]

how do KW clubsports compare to aragosta's, zeals, and koni/GC. I haven't heard much about these. They look really nice and use them on some highend cars.

[dynamicck]

KW *used* to be valved to Koni spec and use some Koni components. ( I just looked on their website, and I couldnt find the info that stated something about koni). I would love to see someone compare KW clubsports and Koni/GC setup. It would be interesting to see the difference.

[McRussellPants]

I was not impressed with KWs at all.


only thing I noticed different than J coils is they wheelhop like fuck if your car makes any power.

[DOOK]

Moton
or
Ohlins

done.

Name drop expensive part I know nothing about.
or
Completely incomparable mild street coilover.


done.


bahahahahahahahahaha... while we're discussing rediculously priced coilovers for a person who most likely won't utilize them hardly at all, let's mention penske while we're at it...:keke: don't even know if they make an application that could be modified for S chassis use, but fuck it, let's namedrop some shit some more.

[Nismo_420sx]

Edited. I don't know how to delete a post.

[DOOK]

hey dude, you know what fuck you. Mother fucker I know penske doesn't make any coilovers for an s chassis. Name drop? Alright I have never tried any of these coilovers, but if I am going to spend the money I don't want to get some piece of shit coils. So get off my nuts bitch.

you're an idiot... did I quote you? NO, so what makes you think you're important enough for me to give two shits about what coilovers you run? I wasn't referring to you namedropping dumbass, I was referring to other people.

Edit: for what it's worth, if you're looking to spend the money, any of the above mentioned coilover systems will work fine for you, but you need to take it to a professional shop and have it corner balanced and get a good, legit alignment. In all honestly, I think you're getting in a little over your head. If you've never had any experience with a quality coilover system, you won't know how to utilize it to it's potential. Why not start out with a slightly lower budget coilover and get a feel for it?

[fliprayzin240sx]

hey dude, you know what fuck you. Mother fucker I know penske doesn't make any coilovers for an s chassis. Name drop? Alright I have never tried any of these coilovers, but if I am going to spend the money I don't want to get some piece of shit coils. So get off my nuts bitch.

Honestly, doesnt sound like you've had any experience with any coilovers. Aragostas or Zeals may be overkill for what you're trying to do. Why do I say overkill? Overkill because of the price range your looking at (+$3k) when you will probably be happy with coilovers that range in the $1.5k. My recommendation is try some Gp Sports or some Silk roads. Wont make you hate life for daily and will do its job on the track...

Also, remember that a suspension is just as good if its set up properly...

[yokotas13]

bahahahahahahahahaha... while we're discussing rediculously priced coilovers for a person who most likely won't utilize them hardly at all, let's mention penske while we're at it...:keke: don't even know if they make an application that could be modified for S chassis use, but fuck it, let's namedrop some shit some more.
i have penske shock on my buell....im a brandwhore

[DOOK]

i have penske shock on my buell....im a brandwhore

we know this already grant... I had penske for my rear track setup on the suzuki, my street setup was a lowly ohlins...

[s13.5ftw]

must be pretty ballin if you can spend what i spent on my car just on coilovers lol. oh and lets namedrop some more (: heard some good things about DG-5 's - personal preference from Formula D driver Joon Maeng

[Brian]

I have driven Super Functions on my s14 daily for like 3 years.

LOVE THEM.


excellent for the track.
not TOO bad for the street, but they aint cushy.

[dynamicck]

Joon Maeng current car is not on DG-5, its on Kay-Dubs.

More name dropping - blah penske, blah Sachs,blah Ohlins, blah Koni, blah Bilstein.

[fliprayzin240sx]

Joon Maeng? Who the fuck Joon Maeng? Lets go name drop....That guy Ray Nichols is the shit, I heard he's rocking some aragostas, yall heard of him?!?! :bigok:

[DOOK]

I have driven Super Functions on my s14 daily for like 3 years.

LOVE THEM.


excellent for the track.
not TOO bad for the street, but they aint cushy.


THE BH endorses Zeal... word

[yokotas13]

fuc`k that, i heard that guy Grant, i heard his wagon on aragostas is the shit.

[fliprayzin240sx]

fuc`k that, i heard that guy Grant, i heard his wagon on aragostas is the shit.

I heard he cant take a decent video with his $170 video camera...:D

[DOOK]

I heard his videos are psychodelic and can induce seizures with their red lines.... hey, I'm just saying.

[yokotas13]

I heard he cant take a decent video with his $170 video camera...:D

i heard that he has a mountain to drive on at least :)

[s13.5ftw]

Joon Maeng current car is not on DG-5, its on Kay-Dubs.

More name dropping - blah penske, blah Sachs,blah Ohlins, blah Koni, blah Bilstein.

ahh right i forgot about his new s14, but his s13.5 still has the dg-5 on them.

Joon Maeng? Who the fuck Joon Maeng? Lets go name drop....That guy Ray Nichols is the shit, I heard he's rocking some aragostas, yall heard of him?!?! :bigok:

lol this isnt a popularity contest, i was just trying to give a suggestion :D and plus we already threw aragostas out there

[Nismo_420sx]

do aragosta's or the kw's come with camber plates? What do you do if they don't?

[DOOK]

buy camber plates... a shit ton of companies make and sell camber plates seperately.

[Nismo_420sx]

buy camber plates... a shit ton of companies make and sell camber plates seperately.

what brand do you think has the best camber plates?

[DOOK]

I would be giving you an opinionated answer and we all know about opinions... some provide additional drop over stock topmounts, some don't. they all have different features, find the ones that suit you best and buy them.

[yokotas13]

aragosta has amber plates where applicable

[veilside180sx]

The best camber plates are going to be camber and caster adjustable and have quality bearings. That leaves a VERY short list. We'll see how many you can find=)

[drift freaq]

The best camber plates are going to be camber and caster adjustable and have quality bearings. That leaves a VERY short list. We'll see how many you can find=)

Can we say Ground Control? :D

[DOOK]

Can we say Ground Control? :D

G R O U N D K U N T R O L L

[veilside180sx]

Can we say Ground Control? :D

G R O U N D K U N T R O L L

That's one of 3=) Keep going...

[spool_sample]

Did someone say Ground Control?

http://www.ground-control-store.com/images/fullsize/ccp510_fs.jpg


Yes, the 510 plates fit 240s (or at least that's what GC says).

[DOOK]

I think project Mu makes them.... I think

[veilside180sx]

C'mon search a little...=)

[atom]

T3 looks good on paper, but no personal exp. HKS has the caster adj. but who knows about the bearing. And the price..............

[veilside180sx]

Ground Control, HKS...were up to two.=) Third is from Oz...if that helps.

[S14 Wannabe]

:aw: Wait guys don't help him with the camber plates when he can buy my Tein upper front camber plates for dirt cheap. lolz.

[spool_sample]

Ground Control, HKS...were up to two.=) Third is from Oz...if that helps.

Noltec.

Do I get a prize? :p

[veilside180sx]

Noltec.

Do I get a prize? :p

You cheat, since your from NRR :bigok:

[Koopa Troopa]

aragosta's shocks are actually AST from Holland (ast owns aragosta) www.AST-suspension.com (http://www.AST-suspension.com)
And companies like JRZ and Moton, the owners used to work for AST.

If you look on AST's website you can see that Aragosta is a "distributor" for AST.

I know Zeals are top quality and they are one of the premier brands from Japan. But AST shocks are one of the finest in the world.


Wrong Aragosta is owned by Topline and constructed in New Zealand.


The the OP, I actually have some Friends version Topline Aragosta for an S14 for sale if you're interested and actually have the money to warrant this thread. Don't bother to send a PM if you're not willing to spend my price of $2K shipped cause you're just going to have your feelings hurt if you low ball me.

[Koopa Troopa]

Hmm...didnt know theres an Aragosta distributor in the states...that means they can rebuild it too.


Yes you did cause I told you that when you were buying yours. :mepoke:

[drift freaq]

Wrong Aragosta is owned by Topline and constructed in New Zealand.


The the OP, I actually have some Friends version Topline Aragosta for an S14 for sale if you're interested and actually have the money to warrant this thread. Don't bother to send a PM if you're not willing to spend my price of $2K shipped cause you're just going to have your feelings hurt if you low ball me.

Ah Koopa you're wrong here. I have talked to AST shops here in the U.S. Topline is a Japanese company licensed by AST to market their products. They may be doing assembly in New Zealand but the fact of the matter is Topline choose the Aragosta name because they liked it. Argosta and AST are designed and sold by the same man who used to work for Koni.They are the same company and they are based out of the Netherlands and owned and financed by a Belgian owner. Don't believe me? Read this web page and weep.

http://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&sl=nl&u=http://www.racexpress.nl/index.php%3Fnav%3DArtikel%26nid%3D567&sa=X&oi=translate&resnum=6&ct=result&prev=/search%3Fq%3DAST%2Band%2BAragosta%2B%26hl%3Den%26s afe%3Doff%26client%3Dfirefox-a%26rls%3Dorg.mozilla:en-US:official%26sa%3DG

[BBSilvia]

Aragosta = baller shit from what i hear those are amaing wouldent know cause im not baller and cant afford :(, but thats my 2 cents

[Brian]

ZEAL SUPER FUNCTION


number one

[Koopa Troopa]

Ah Koopa you're wrong here. I have talked to AST shops here in the U.S. Topline is a Japanese company licensed by AST to market their products. They may be doing assembly in New Zealand but the fact of the matter is Topline choose the Aragosta name because they liked it. Argosta and AST are designed and sold by the same man who used to work for Koni.They are the same company and they are based out of the Netherlands and owned and financed by a Belgian owner. Don't believe me? Read this web page and weep.

http://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&sl=nl&u=http://www.racexpress.nl/index.php%3Fnav%3DArtikel%26nid%3D567&sa=X&oi=translate&resnum=6&ct=result&prev=/search%3Fq%3DAST%2Band%2BAragosta%2B%26hl%3Den%26s afe%3Doff%26client%3Dfirefox-a%26rls%3Dorg.mozilla:en-US:official%26sa%3DG


Dude the Aragostas and the AST dampers look nothing alike minus they use the same lock collar... AST might own Aragosta however it is not their product.

I'm not even sure how much of that article you even understood as he chose the name "Aragosta" because that was his sur name in Italian...

In Japan called the AST absorber but not AST Aragosta. Wij zijn wel erg nieuwsgierig hoe dit nu eigenlijk zit. We are very curious how this actually is. “Dat is mijn achternaam in het Italiaans” vertelt Piet Kreeft enthousiast. "That is my surname in the Italian" says Piet Cancer enthusiastic. “Gewoon de naam Kreeft vertaald in het Italiaans. "Just the name Lobster translated into Italian. Dat komt ik heb bij Ferrari gewerkt via Koni. That's when I've worked through Koni Ferrari. Ferrari was een klant van Koni, vandaar. Ferrari was a customer of Koni, then. Je kende al die mensen bij Ferrari en eigenlijk liep je daar als Ferrari man rond. You knew all those people at Ferrari and you actually went there as a Ferrari man around. Daar heb ik drie maanden gezeten en ik was 21 jaar. Since I've been three months and I was 21 years. Ik kon daar door alle afdelingen lopen zonder dat ik een pasje nodig had. I could go there by all departments run without a pass that I needed. Ik heb bij Ferrari een boek gekregen, daarop stond mijn naam geschreven op zijn Italiaans nl. I've got a book at Ferrari, it was my name written on his Italian com “Aragosta”. "Aragosta". In Japan is dat een hele leuke naam en daarom hebben wij dat zo maar gehouden.” In Japan this is a nice name and that is why we have so held. "

Wow, that's wierd.. Copy translated text and it pasted in Dutch.. :ugh:

[drift freaq]

Dude the Aragostas and the AST dampers look nothing alike minus they use the same lock collar... AST might own Aragosta however it is not their product.

I'm not even sure how much of that article you even understood as he chose the name "Aragosta" because that was his sur name in Italian...



Wow, that's wierd.. Copy translated text and it pasted in Dutch.. :ugh:

Dude fucking relax. Your biggest problem is you can't accept your not entirely factually correct. Yes the dampers are different no one is arguing that point. The point is the manufacturers are one and the same. I read the article and you have serious issues with having to be right. Even when your not completely correct. I suggest you grow up and learn some acceptance.

[Koopa Troopa]

Why cause you looked like a tool quoting shit out of an article that wasn't even in there? What makes anything you say legitimate when you can't even get quotes out of an article correct?

I'll believe AST does more than just own the name when you post a picture of you with Traci Lords holding Top Secret's own Aragosta damper between her titties in an AST factory in Holland with a Dutch newspaper to verify the date.

[dynamicck]

Ast-suspension.com if you look at their distributors, Topline(aragosta) is listed as a distributor for ast-suspension. But they don't show any AST suspensions on their website.

And...
The Aragosta company was founded thirty years ago in the Netherlands. Following a series of setbacks, it was taken over by the Belgian company Suspension Technics which continues to produce shock absorbers today.
http://www.aragosta-suspension.com/history.html