Heel-Toe Video (HomeMade)

[MrMigs]

It's crappy, yet it's not crappy...

I've found 2 ways of heel-toeing -- one is by simply side stepping, laying your right foot over both the brake pedal and the gas pedal. Then there's that weird thing I see when guys are braking, and then they swing their right heel over to tap the gas.

Either way, I did both in this video. I thought I'd show it to those who were having trouble with heel-toeing in general. I find that side-stepping works best for me. Although, if I'm not careful, I will accidentally hit the gas while im braking hard... just gotta remember to keep your weight on the left side of your foot when side-stepping so the right side of your foot doesn't accidentally come down on the gas. With that other method, the swivle heel thingie, there's less chance of this accidental acceleration problem happening, but there's a lot more movement, and it seems harder to do things as quickly as you can when side-stepping... at least for me it does. Nevertheless, it's all a matter of comfort... just do whatever feels right. <img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/satisfied.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':satisfied:'>

http://24.24.229.15/knuckles/vid/migsfun.wmv

Check it out... again, it's not the best in video editing... but then again, I made with one of my friends in like 45 minutes... btw this is me driving around the block. <img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/laugh.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':laugh:'>

[kandyflip445]

Nice music. <img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/tounge.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':p'> What is it?

[DSC]

gas (http://www.steamymirror.com/dsc240sx/healtoe/1gas1.jpg)
brake (http://www.steamymirror.com/dsc240sx/healtoe/2break1.jpg)
downshift (http://www.steamymirror.com/dsc240sx/healtoe/3downshift.jpg)
finish brakeing (http://www.steamymirror.com/dsc240sx/healtoe/4break2.jpg)
back on the gas (http://www.steamymirror.com/dsc240sx/healtoe/5gas2.jpg)

Vid is cool <img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':)'> I got board a while back and took pics of me doing it (with the car off otherwise I couldn't have taken the pic by myself) with my slippers on.

[MrMigs]

Initial-D First Stage - Spark in the Dark <img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/laugh.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':laugh:'>

Hahaha... those are the coolest...slippers... ever <img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/tounge.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':p'>

[Kaizen]

That's a great video man... that's the great thing about the 240's. the pedals are close enough to do the heel toe with the width of the foot. but if i do the swivel i notice you're more firm on the brake pedal. i usually do the sidestep anyways. &nbsp;<img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/tounge.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':p'> &nbsp;

Hey DSC... great slippers man... LOL <img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/laugh.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':laugh:'>

[DSC]

I STILL can't heal-toe right. I don't have the patience to work on it anymore. Heal-toe on the street is much different than heal-toe on the track...MUCH different. On the street you brake with what? 40lbs of pressure? It's easy to hold 40lbs of pressure (and note I did pull that # out of my ass) and blip the throttle. However when your on full brakeing putting down near or over 100lbs of pressure it's a LOT harder to blip the throttle w/out letting up pressure on the brake.

Now if it's a single downshift turn, thats fine. Let your foot start letting up on the brake as you downshift then come off the brake completely and get into the turn. But comming up on a 3rd gear turn (say 60mph or so) from 5th gear (120mph) it seems impossible to heal-toe into 4th <img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/unhappy.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':unhappy:'>

[S13 Passion]

here comes a stupid question... i never really understood what the puropse of heel-toeing is... is it just to match revs when downshifting?

[Kaizen]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (S13 Passion @ Dec. 01 2002,2:56)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">here comes a stupid question... i never really understood what the puropse of heel-toeing is... is it just to match revs when downshifting?</td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'>
Now i could be wrong (and if i am then you may slice off one of my toes...i have 8 left) but it's needed when you're braking into a corner and you need to downshift. if you downshift without heel-toeing (?sp) you will jolt your rear wheels because of the difference in revs. this jolt (which you feel whenever you downshift) causes disruption in your traction making turning more difficult and less predictable.

DSC... i haven't been on a track, but i know what you mean. putting down that much pressure and trying to blip the throttle's pretty damn hard, and i'm really still a beginner at it. bleh. it's even harder when i'm just trying to side step, so i'm trying to get better at actually using my heel so i can keep EVEN pressure on the brake pedal. i really could use a smaller steering wheel though &nbsp; <img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/tounge.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':p'>

[-E-]

cool vid MrMigs nice slippers DSC <img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/laugh.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':laugh:'>

[adey]

MrMigs it's too bad you didn't get any clutchwork shots. =) It's just as important for them to know when to have the clutch engaged/disengaged.
Good stuff though! I'm sure it's helpful for those who don't know what HT is yet.

edit: (I find it) easier to heel and toe when going fast/braking hard and when you're in generally high RPMs. When you're driving on the street you a) usually aren't going fast enough to need to HT and b) shouldn't be exiting a turn so fast that HT is useful. <img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/sly.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':sly:'>
HT on a track is easier for me, because you don't have to be so careful with the gas pedal. I find it easier to rev the engine to an exact high rpm (5,500 for ex.) rather than an exact low rpm (like 3000). I'm not sure why this is, but it's just easier for me to ht on the track/when I'm going fast/driving hard.

[MrMigs]

Thanks EONE and Kaizen <img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/tounge.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':p'>

And yea, I was doing some more "testing" today while I was driving back to San Jose (from Los Angeles). Yes, it does seem that you can brake harder with the swivle method as opposed to side-stepping.

With the swivle method, you can use the whole face of your foot to brake. With side-stepping, you can only use the left side of your foot. Still, it depends on how strong your foot/leg is. Personally, I can brake a lot harder with the swivle method. For some people, it might not even matter. <img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/sneaky.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':pissed:'>

And yea, it does seem a lot easier to rev match when you're at high RPMs. But I say that if you can also do it at low RPMs, you have more skill... more abilities than the guy next to you.... ahh well... maybe I'm just talking out from my poop chute. I just like learning all I can. <img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/tounge.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':p'>

Adey: Oh yea, I was initially going to put the camera between my legs so you could see all three pedals at work, but Erik didn't want to hold the camera there haha. <img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/tounge.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':p'>

[kanekz]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (S13 Passion @ Dec. 01 2002,12:56)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">here comes a stupid question... i never really understood what the puropse of heel-toeing is... is it just to match revs when downshifting?</td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'>
That is actually a reasonable question. Go here to understand the jist of what needs to be known about Heel-toe.

http://www.turnfast.com/tech_driving/driving_heeltoe.lasso

[DSC]

I find the idea of side steping very odd. &nbsp;The swivel method is more natural since you should only be braking with the ball of your foot anyway, nothing there changes but the angle.
With side stepping you have to totally change your foot position for heal-toe brakeing than for normal brakeing, making it harder to get used to.

[MrMigs]

hehe. Depends on the person...

I learned to side-step before swiveling because it was easier for me to do. <img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/alien.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':alien:'>

[dstyle]

thats a pretty sick vid man. &nbsp;yea i learned how to heel and toe on my datsun 510 before i left. &nbsp;510s have the perfect pedal placement. &nbsp;i remeber the first time i did tho. &nbsp;i slammedt the brakes and choked myself. &nbsp;after a few more tries i got it down. &nbsp;i do the thing where you tap your gas with your heel.

[LanceS13]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (DSC @ Dec. 01 2002,1:17)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Now if it's a single downshift turn, thats fine. Let your foot start letting up on the brake as you downshift then come off the brake completely and get into the turn. But comming up on a 3rd gear turn (say 60mph or so) from 5th gear (120mph) it seems impossible to heal-toe into 4th <img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/unhappy.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':unhappy:'></td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'>
Why downshift to 4th anyway? &nbsp;Brake to 85-90, disengage clutch, 5th to neutral, blip throttle/neutral to 3rd, engage clutch, brake to 60, go!

[Kaizen]

yeah i learned how by using the sidestep method first... but i just started trying it with the swivel method. i have a few turns that i go into fast and at high rpm. and i drive them almost everyday so i get to practice it a couple of times a day.

it's funny, when my younger brother is riding shotgun... he can tell when i get it clean and when i screw up. <img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/tounge.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':p'>

[adey]

LanceS13 - Ever since I found out about double clutching from 5-3, I haven't done it any other way. Well, virtually. That is, IMO the EASIEST downshift to get right every time. It's definitely my most consistend downshift.
The shifter glides seamlessly into 3rd from neutral/5th. What a feeling! (I _only_ double clutch this shift... don't know why, I can't get used to 'just' heel-toeing it.)

Migs/DSC - I started off HTing with a more "sidestep" stance as well. It was easier for me when starting off because I could still (sort of) have my heel on the floor pan, giving me more consistent, smooth braking rather than lifting my whole foot off the floor pan (thus suspending my foot/leg in the air) and over-/under- braking as a result.
Just as I/you/one finds it easier to modulate throttle with your heel on the floor as a pivot, smooth braking was easier with my heel on the floor pan as well. Now though, after much practice, I can do it either way, depending on my mood. <img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':D'>

[240Ak0rDsx]

Excellent video... that is sum great camera work. The camera man must be a proffesional, and that video editing is just splended. &nbsp;<img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/thumbs-up.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':thumbsup:'>

[MrMigs]

hahaha that sig picture owns! <img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/tounge.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':p'>

[RedToppedS13]

ROFL omg that siq picture owns

[Alias]

Maybe I'm just lucky. I never had a problem doing it. I don't side step like most people though. I have wide feet so I can use both sides of my feet. I can even do multiple shifts under hard brakeing. Nice slippers BTW.

EDIT: I do it just like you Mr. Migs.

[negular]

DSC - Can I... touch your feet? &nbsp;<img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/tounge.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':p'>

Mr.Migs - nice vid... love the intro. &nbsp;<img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':)'>

[X-Iceman]

Lol ya i like the sig

[MrMigs]

Hehe, thanks negular

[USMC240]

can we say emmie? or is it oscar? ah who gives a poop, its a great flick.

[MikeFD3S]

old thread... but l33t video overall bahahah

too bad there's no video of the l33t DIY oil cooler

[bbp]

HOW DID I MISS THIS THREAD???

NICE SLIPPERS dsc!! hahaha Are you gonna wear those to MidOhio? haha

Migs nice video! :)