British truckers jam key route into London to protest rising cost of fuel

[brndck]

this is rad.
http://www.iht.com/articles/ap/2008/05/27/news/Britain-Fuel-Protests.php
my 999th post!

[DOOK]

we all need to take a stand somehow... somehow

[status:one]

Curious to see if this will actually convince Gordon Brown to reduce the taxes on fuel.

[steve shadows]

Britian is a socialist police state

[BustedS13]

Britian is a socialist police state

the united kingdom has one CCTV camera for every 14 people. 4.2 million cameras.

[Agamemnon]

That'll teach'em!
Fuck you supply and demand!

[punxva]

wish people actually cared this much here, they just end up paying. Like i've said before, they should start showing porn at the pumps so your not the only getting fucked

[S13_Nightkid]

yea, what happened to mass protest like in the 60's and 70's?

[180sExy]

yea, what happened to mass protest like in the 60's and 70's?
I don't know! Its like everyone is ok with the rising prices at the pump like "Well its ok to pay these prices what can we do about it!" or "Well were still paying less than Europe." That's just a bunch of B.S.! I cant belive how us as Americans are just shrugging this off like well blame bush, blame the war or terrorist. FUCK that blame the oil companies that are reporting record breaking profits every quarter!!!! I've said it before and I'll say it again we need too have a nation wide black out day where everyone stay's away from the pump!!!!! I know there are some people who would disagree with me on this an say in doing so this would hurt the small business owner, but I think this would also help them out in the long run an one day wouldn't hurt them as much as it would hurt the larger companies!!!! FIGHT THE POWER!!!!!:fawk:

[qwikspool]

we should do the same. fighting for what is right.
if gas prices goes up, that means other supplies are going to go up like food.

[ESmorz]

Do I smell a Zilvia Protest thread coming?

[S13_Nightkid]

I don't know! Its like everyone is ok with the rising prices at the pump like "Well its ok to pay these prices what can we do about it!" or "Well were still paying less than Europe." That's just a bunch of B.S.! I cant belive how us as Americans are just shrugging this off like well blame bush, blame the war or terrorist. FUCK that blame the oil companies that are reporting record breaking profits every quarter!!!! I've said it before and I'll say it again we need too have a nation wide black out day where everyone stay's away from the pump!!!!! I know there are some people who would disagree with me on this an say in doing so this would hurt the small business owner, but I think this would also help them out in the long run an one day wouldn't hurt them as much as it would hurt the larger companies!!!! FIGHT THE POWER!!!!!:fawk:

That would work in a Die Hard 4 Kind of way...

[Quail]

Im glad the truckers are standing up for what they believe in. The fuel prices are insane over here atm :(.

Like the article says, over $9/gallon for diesel!!

They said it'll be over £2/liter for petrol by September :(:(:(

Unfortunately I can't see the protests making that much of a difference :(. I can barely afford to drive my cars anymore!

[SR2Zero]

Do I smell a Zilvia Protest thread coming?

I say, go for it!

[SimpleSexy180]

well im totally down for a protest.

but americans have pussied out since the 80's.

[ILoveMyRHS13]

We've had a couple of runs like this in my area to the Harrisburg Capital... Nothing has been done of course.

Someone needs to just blow up a gas station already.

[Mi Beardo es Loco]

sorry if this is a bit political but not very many people know the real reason why fuel is actually going up.
Around the world, gas is priced in US currency, except at the pump. The US is flooding the world with it's currency mostly to fund this war in Iraq. This lowers the value of the dollar, thus causing the bidding war for barrels of gas/oil to increase tremendously. There is NO shortage of oil, in fact, we have a 15 year high, it's just very expensive. So to all the people who think that Bush is not the reason for the price of gas and oil being where it is, then you need to do your homework. The longer we're in Iraq, the more and more the gas is going to increase.
This is why getting the fuck out of Iraq will be the first step of many to repair the US. We have to unfuck what GWB has fucked.

[S13_Nightkid]

Im downn. This has gotten wayy out of hand. We can't even provide for OURSELVES. As sad as it sounds gas companies have
a stranglehold on the entire economy(not to mention that it already sucks). What happened to fighting for what we believe in? Unity is gone my friends.

[Mi Beardo es Loco]

The problem is that there will be no boycott on gas because we need to drive to live and support ourselves. It's like if the government charged us for every breath we took, are we going to stop breathing? If you really wanted to save then carpool, work closer to home, or get a car that's better on gas but you're really not effecting the oil companies wallets because there's millions of people who do not have a choice.

[Phlip]

yea, what happened to mass protest like in the 60's and 70's?
The US PATRIOT Act.
we should do the same. fighting for what is right.
if gas prices goes up, that means other supplies are going to go up like food.
Nice to consider, but not gonna happen... Someone try that shit in the states, they'll be pegged as a terrorist and handled heavily.

[Mi Beardo es Loco]

The US PATRIOT Act.

Nice to consider, but not gonna happen... Someone try that shit in the states, they'll be pegged as a terrorist and handled heavily.
Couldn't have said it better myself. It's those damn fake flag waving assholes that try to say that if you defy anything that's going on then you're unamerican. Those same assholes will agree to stay in Iraq for 100 years, wink wink.



damn, I'm pissed at something else and straying WAY off topic.

[S13_Nightkid]

Its basically at the point where we protest and get stamped as "terrorists" or we sit down and stfu like we've be doin for the past few years...Well damn in that case someone might as well blow up a gas station(FBI dont raid my house please) lol

[Mi Beardo es Loco]

Its basically at the point where we protest and get stamped as "terrorists" or we sit down and stfu like we've be doin for the past few years...Well damn in that case someone might as well blow up a gas station(FBI dont raid my house please) lol

It's basically the right time to vote the right mother fucker in. Ron Paul would have been the best move because he best understands the economy. Other than that it's probably Obama. McCain is a joke. McCain didn't even know the difference between the Soonies and Shiites. lol at him. He IS a war hero but we shouldn't make every war hero president.

[Agamemnon]

The prices can go up to $10 a gallon as far as I'm concerned. My job pays for my fuel and the record oil company profits are dumping a shit load of money in my mutual fund.

Oil is a commodity. You dont have to have it. No one is forcing you to buy fuel. You people act like there is gun to head while your debit card is in your hand.

[Mi Beardo es Loco]

The prices can go up to $10 a gallon as far as I'm concerned. My job pays for my fuel and the record oil company profits are dumping a shit load of money in my mutual fund.

Oil is a commodity. You dont have to have it. No one is forcing you to buy fuel. You people act like there is gun to head while your debit card is in your hand.

You are wrong. For the middle class travel is a part of their daily lives. Due to cost of living and high real estate market, many people in CA have to travel 100 miles to be able to afford their own house and the food they eat. The more expensive the area, the higher the salaries. Try paying mortgage on a $300,000 2 bed room house making $15 an hour. That's shitty, especially when trying to raise a family. That is why SOME people have no choice.

Gas cards are GREAT but also how much does it affect your job? How many people did your job have to fire because of a lower stock market? Gas prices directly effects everyone, even if you're not the one directly paying for it.

[0100]

My diesel truck is seriously killing me, it's getting ridiculous. I only use it when I have to pull the trailer now. Ride my motorcycle or pedal bike everywhere. I will tell you one thing if you are in the market for a diesel truck, you can get killer deals. Prices are down BIG time.

[Agamemnon]

You are wrong. For the middle class travel is a part of their daily lives. Due to cost of living and high real estate market, many people in CA have to travel 100 miles to be able to afford their own house and the food they eat. The more expensive the area, the higher the salaries. Try paying mortgage on a $300,000 2 bed room house making $15 an hour. That's shitty, especially when trying to raise a family. That is why SOME people have no choice.

Gas cards are GREAT but also how much does it affect your job? How many people did your job have to fire because of a lower stock market? Gas prices directly effects everyone, even if you're not the one directly paying for it.NO. I am right. Take the bus or any other means of mass transit. If you cant afford gas because your mortgage is too high, change how you spend your money. No more lattes in the morning. If Cali is too expensive, then move. No one is forcing you to stay. This is America, no one forces you to do anything. Dont give me that crap about not having any choices.

My employer has not fired anyone due to the stock market. It is a privately owned company. In fact, my company is in need of new employees to meet the need of an ever GROWING economy here in Seattle.

[status:one]

That's the thing though... everyone is changing how they spend their money so they can afford to travel to work. We are therefore spending less... and in the long run that has a big effect on the overall economy.

[Mi Beardo es Loco]

NO. I am right. Take the bus or any other means of mass transit. If you cant afford gas because your mortgage is too high, change how you spend your money. No more lattes in the morning. If Cali is too expensive, then move. No one is forcing you to stay. This is America, no one forces you to do anything. Dont give me that crap about not having any choices.

My employer has not fired anyone due to the stock market. It is a privately owned company. In fact, my company is in need of new employees to meet the need of an ever GROWING economy here in Seattle.

It's easy to say you're going to move away from friends, family, and the only place you know and love. But it's another thing from doing it. America is a country of freedom and I do believe that we all have choices, but we still have to choice to live where we want. IMO, California is the best state (biased) in the US and if you move from Cali then you'll NEVER be able to afford to move back. It's just a sad fact. There's so much money that could be earned in real estate if money is spent wisely.
Also, you're acting like a couple lattes are going to prevent people from losing their houses or save their families. Sure, it saves you money but I paid $265,000 for my bank repo and if I were to move any further inland I would have paid closer to $500,000, which I don't even make. People who work in LA get compensated from their jobs for their high market prices so tons and tons of people live outside of LA to have a higher quality of living on an honest mans salary. And sadly, mass transit is a bit lacking in Southern California, especially outside of LA.

Just to let you know though, I'm not in the same boat as people I speak of. I have a gas card myself and am apart of a world wide company. I work in the area I live and rarely travel outside of Riverside county. I speak about these people because that's what happens here in California and where I live. It might be different in Washington but I speak for the millions of people who have little choice but to travel and have an opinion where they want to live.

[180sExy]

well im totally down for a protest.

but americans have pussied out since the 80's.

I cant agree with you enough on that!!!!

[Mi Beardo es Loco]

I cant agree with you enough on that!!!!

I'm down for a protest......But not tonight. Laker game!

[Agamemnon]

It's easy to say you're going to move away from friends, family, and the only place you know and love. But it's another thing from doing it. America is a country of freedom and I do believe that we all have choices, but we still have to choice to live where we want. IMO, California is the best state (biased) in the US and if you move from Cali then you'll NEVER be able to afford to move back. It's just a sad fact. There's so much money that could be earned in real estate if money is spent wisely.
Also, you're acting like a couple lattes are going to prevent people from losing their houses or save their families. Sure, it saves you money but I paid $265,000 for my bank repo and if I were to move any further inland I would have paid closer to $500,000, which I don't even make. People who work in LA get compensated from their jobs for their high market prices so tons and tons of people live outside of LA to have a higher quality of living on an honest mans salary. And sadly, mass transit is a bit lacking in Southern California, especially outside of LA.

Just to let you know though, I'm not in the same boat as people I speak of. I have a gas card myself and am apart of a world wide company. I work in the area I live and rarely travel outside of Riverside county. I speak about these people because that's what happens here in California and where I live. It might be different in Washington but I speak for the millions of people who have little choice but to travel and have an opinion where they want to live.
Are we still talking about high gas prices or the economy as a whole? If we are still talking about gas prices, then yes, the cost of a couple of lattes can offset the increase in fuel prices. If the increase in gas is causing people to lose their homes and not put food on the table, then the fault lies at their feet for not managing their finances.

And yes, it is easy to move away from family, friends, and everything you know. I did it last July. I lived in Reno for 19 years and couldn't stand it. I could not make enough for the standard of living that I wanted. So packed it up and moved to Seattle. An area that is by far more expensive in all aspects. Now I make a considerable amount more and my standard of living is great.

[98s14inaz]

we all need to take a stand somehow... somehow

I wish Americans were unselfish enough to stage national sick days. This means everyone stays home from work, doesn't buy anything, and is as unproductive as possible. Think strike but on a much much larger scale.

[Phlip]

I wish Americans were unselfish enough to stage national sick days. This means everyone stays home from work, doesn't buy anything, and is as unproductive as possible. Think strike but on a much much larger scale.

I am a non-union worker in a right-to-work state.
So fuck that
I cannot afford to show up to work the day after this "national sick day" all smug and shit and be relieved of my job for my troubles...

[180sExy]

NO. I am right. Take the bus or any other means of mass transit. If you cant afford gas because your mortgage is too high, change how you spend your money. No more lattes in the morning. If Cali is too expensive, then move. No one is forcing you to stay. This is America, no one forces you to do anything. Dont give me that crap about not having any choices.
First off I am all for mass transit BUT most our local governments don't put enough money into our transportation systems to run an efficiently. I know our local transportation is kinda shitty! secondly move your telling us to up and move Ca is my home I was born an raised here and I plan to die here! this is the kinda no back bone way of mind I am talking about so when gas goes up higher and the cost of living is too way too expensive for you where you live go buy a ticket too china they like that kind of thinking in their country!

[0100]

I am a non-union worker in a right-to-work state.
So fuck that
I cannot afford to show up to work the day after this "national sick day" all smug and shit and be relieved of my job for my troubles...

+1 on that, and what about me, I am a RN. So all surgens, doctors, nurses are going to call out this day. Going to be a whole lot of dead people that day. Come to think about it I'm down. lol

[status:one]

First off I am all for mass transit BUT most our local governments don't put enough money into our transportation systems to run an efficiently. I know our local transportation is kinda shitty! secondly move your telling us to up and move Ca is my home I was born an raised here and I plan to die here! this is the kinda no back bone way of mind I am talking about so when gas goes up higher and the cost of living is too way too expensive for you where you live go buy a ticket too china they like that kind of thinking in their country!

I'm having trouble understanding what your saying. lol

[Agamemnon]

First off I am all for mass transit BUT most our local governments don't put enough money into our transportation systems to run an efficiently. I know our local transportation is kinda shitty! secondly move your telling us to up and move Ca is my home I was born an raised here and I plan to die here! this is the kinda no back bone way of mind I am talking about so when gas goes up higher and the cost of living is too way too expensive for you where you live go buy a ticket too china they like that kind of thinking in their country!After reading that 3 times, I still couldn't understand a thing you said.

[180sExy]

I'm having trouble understanding what your saying. lol
lolz sorry playing COD4 an trying to type what I am thinking. ok back too COD4!

[status:one]

Gas prices...
It's like asking would you rather fight The Rock to the death or fifteen clones of Barbara Bush. Either way your fucked.

Try not to think about it too much... we need gas no matter what the price is. Something that is out of your control there is no use worrying about... just adjust.

/thread

[180sExy]

ok what i was saying is that where i live our local transportaion is kinda shitty an that moving somewhere else is not an option, also that the whole just up and moving is a gay way of thinking!

[Mi Beardo es Loco]

so what you're trying to say is that when the chips are down people should move out of state. I love the good ol' USofA

[Agamemnon]

so what you're trying to say is that when the chips are down people should move out of state. I love the good ol' USofAYes. That's exactly what I said. The next time it's over $80 to fill up your Suburban, you should move out of state! You win at reading and comprehension.

[90KAcoupe]

out of curiosity.. how many of yall believe this..

http://www.peakoil.com/

http://www.lifeaftertheoilcrash.net/

seems pretty true and legit to me..

[SimpleSexy180]

Yes. That's exactly what I said. The next time it's over $80 to fill up your Suburban, you should move out of state! You win at reading and comprehension.

which still does not make sense as to how that will fix our situation with gas prices. it will still be ALMOST 80 dollars to fill up.

that means i hope to get a job that pays as much as i did in california.

move out of state? SURe! :D

[status:one]

Maybe this belongs in the 'Riddles' thread. :hug:

[Gnnr]

I've posted this before, but I'll post it again.

Gas has inelastic demand. It doesn't matter whether you buy it or not, the price will stay the same. The demand does not affect its selling price.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Price_elasticity_of_demand

Its a basic economic principle that you'll learn in any Microeconomics class.

A protest wont work. Like I said, gas is inelastic. And people need to stop comparing our prices to Europe's since they pay in Euros which is worth more than the dollar so its all relative. $9USD is $5.72827EUR. They get paid in Euros not Dollars, if you want to think of it that way. Currency is much more complex than people make it out to be. The only thing a protest can affect is maybe lowering the taxes on the fuel.

Mi Beardo es Loco hit the nail on the head. The American Dollar is FUCKING WEAK! Thats why gas is expensive. It takes more dollars to buy the same barrel of oil at the same price, and since the barrel has not stayed at the same price, its even more expensive.

Beardo and Agamemnon, on the moving issue, I can see where you guys are coming from on both sides of that argument. I think what Agamemnon is saying is that when your back is against the wall, and you have no choice moving is easy. Its the reason many people move. Not only to a different city but to different countries, even though they'd rather not. If the cost of living or standard of living aren't working in your favor thats what happens. Its why many people immigrated to America...but from what I was reading in article the other day Europe is looking much nicer to people so many are moving there.

[cgtdream]

sorry if this is a bit political but not very many people know the real reason why fuel is actually going up.
Around the world, gas is priced in US currency, except at the pump. The US is flooding the world with it's currency mostly to fund this war in Iraq. This lowers the value of the dollar, thus causing the bidding war for barrels of gas/oil to increase tremendously. There is NO shortage of oil, in fact, we have a 15 year high, it's just very expensive. So to all the people who think that Bush is not the reason for the price of gas and oil being where it is, then you need to do your homework. The longer we're in Iraq, the more and more the gas is going to increase.
This is why getting the fuck out of Iraq will be the first step of many to repair the US. We have to unfuck what GWB has fucked.

Amen brotha...btw, msglnth

[Matej]

Oil is a commodity. You dont have to have it. No one is forcing you to buy fuel. You people act like there is gun to head while your debit card is in your hand.
Tell that to the idiots who build cities here. Without a car I can't get anywhere, I seriously feel like living in a prison sometimes. Don't say ride a bike or use public transportation, I would love to do that, but it's just not possible here in the suburbs.
I understand the rising fuel prices and I know there's not much we as individuals can do about it (except vote smart), but I think governing bodies should start taking some kind of action such as improving public transportation, building stores within walking distance of neighborhoods, basically make the cities more efficient so people's lives don't depend on their cars.
And if they don't want to do that then people's salaries need to go up.

[status:one]

Tell that to the idiots who build cities here. Without a car I can't get anywhere, I seriously feel like living in a prison sometimes. Don't say ride a bike or use public transportation, I would love to do that, but it's just not possible here in the suburbs.
I understand the rising fuel prices and I know there's not much we as individuals can do about it (except vote smart), but I think governing bodies should start taking some kind of action such as improving public transportation, building stores within walking distance of neighborhoods, basically make the cities more efficient so people's lives don't depend on their cars.
And if they don't want to do that then people's salaries need to go up.

Seriously... here in Dallas... if you don't have a car you are pretty much fucked... I know believe me (mines in the shop right now). I have to steal my gf's car as much as I can.
Back home in the U.K, you can walk to the bar, grocery store, bus stop, train station etc. In Dallas, you've got no chance if you don't have transportation.

[ronmcdon]

eh i'm not so sure about that argument with the weak dollar. no doubt it contributes to the increasing cost of crude oil in the U.S., but why would it also effect the U.K? The English pound is relatively strong. I don't see how the value of the U.S. dollar would be relevant to the cost of oil in the UK. I must have missed something here.

[LoanShark]

I don't know! Its like everyone is ok with the rising prices at the pump like "Well its ok to pay these prices what can we do about it!" or "Well were still paying less than Europe." That's just a bunch of B.S.! I cant belive how us as Americans are just shrugging this off like well blame bush, blame the war or terrorist. FUCK that blame the oil companies that are reporting record breaking profits every quarter!!!! I've said it before and I'll say it again we need too have a nation wide black out day where everyone stay's away from the pump!!!!! I know there are some people who would disagree with me on this an say in doing so this would hurt the small business owner, but I think this would also help them out in the long run an one day wouldn't hurt them as much as it would hurt the larger companies!!!! FIGHT THE POWER!!!!!:fawk:

american truckers protested this year sometime during Mar-Apr. Did the same thing. Drove to DC and parked on the highway. They also protested at various state capitols.

[HyperTek]

my uncle suggested rioting would probably wake up the government

[S13_Nightkid]

It most likely would..but ill pass. Spending money on the on the aftermath really wont exactly spur on our economy.

[Matej]

It most likely would..but ill pass. Spending money on the on the aftermath really wont exactly spur on our economy.
Neither will taking it...

http://i163.photobucket.com/albums/t309/jjsindelar/in_da_butt-1.jpg

[SimpleS14]

Im glad the truckers are standing up for what they believe in. The fuel prices are insane over here atm :(.

Like the article says, over $9/gallon for diesel!!

They said it'll be over £2/liter for petrol by September :(:(:(

Unfortunately I can't see the protests making that much of a difference :(. I can barely afford to drive my cars anymore!

crazy expensive...but then again I don't know if I would own a car in the UK

sorry if this is a bit political but not very many people know the real reason why fuel is actually going up.
Around the world, gas is priced in US currency, except at the pump. The US is flooding the world with it's currency mostly to fund this war in Iraq. This lowers the value of the dollar, thus causing the bidding war for barrels of gas/oil to increase tremendously. There is NO shortage of oil, in fact, we have a 15 year high, it's just very expensive. So to all the people who think that Bush is not the reason for the price of gas and oil being where it is, then you need to do your homework. The longer we're in Iraq, the more and more the gas is going to increase.
This is why getting the fuck out of Iraq will be the first step of many to repair the US. We have to unfuck what GWB has fucked.

I agree...there are other factors as well to the high prices, but the weak dollar is one of the reasons.

NO. I am right. Take the bus or any other means of mass transit. If you cant afford gas because your mortgage is too high, change how you spend your money. No more lattes in the morning. If Cali is too expensive, then move. No one is forcing you to stay. This is America, no one forces you to do anything. Dont give me that crap about not having any choices.

For someone like me (YOUNG and single) moving out of the state and drastically changing my lifestyle can happen with ease. For others (i.e. older with a family) it's easier said than done.

The only solution to what we are dealing with is TIME

[Gnnr]

eh i'm not so sure about that argument with the weak dollar. no doubt it contributes to the increasing cost of crude oil in the U.S., but why would it also effect the U.K? The English pound is relatively strong. I don't see how the value of the U.S. dollar would be relevant to the cost of oil in the UK. I must have missed something here.

Although the price is going up for everyone, it affects us more than other economies with stronger currency.

[Tenchuu]

The US as it as now will never come together for anything. we are on the road to bickering and fighting ourselves to death. there is no national unity, and we all want to get rich by fucking over out neighbors.

that is why we as a nation will never come together and form a protest.

and as far as fuel goes, yeah seattle has a great public transportation, some other places have decent onces, but allot of america that is spread out and not heavily urban (ie most of the US) does't have a public transportation. shit people come to my city from as far as 200 miles away to make monthly shopping trips.

Can they move? yeah and they do. but you know that the influx of people has done to the local economy? turned it to shit. the minimum wage is 7.95 and hour here. i just read a job posting from an engineering firm looking for someone with a drafting degree and engineering experience that was paying all of 8.00 per hour. and you know why they will fill that job raping someone every paycheck? because there are now too many city workers and not enough jobs. i was competing against people with 4 year degrees for shitty college jobs at best buy, front desk jobs at places, and shitty manufacturing places.

so i see the side of what armemmon has suggested in action furthering an economic collapse ( with that said i am leaving this place for another bigger city that hasn't been swamped yet, but i only work part time and go to college full time, the bulk of my check comes from funding not working) with that said the cost of a house close to town has gone up consideribily.

buy what are you going to do about it? oh i know i just bought a bike instead of a second car. i get 50-75MPG off regular. the S14 takes over 50.00 to fill up and the bike now takes all of 17ish and both get about the same city miles out of a tank of gas. I jsut had to be cool with riding in the rain that is all.