Rumormill: Nissan's new RWD sports coupe could be hybrid-powered

[ZilviaBot]

Filed under: Coupes, Hybrids/Alternative, Green, Nissan, Rumormill We've been obsessively following the developments surrounding Nissan's rumored re-entry into the compact, RWD market, and up until now, it's been assumed that a small-displacement engine would be mounted up front, possibly fitted with a turbocharger. But according to a report by Drive.com.au, Nissan is actively considering a hybrid drivetrain to power its Silvia replacement. The Aussie automotive news outlet spoke with Junichi Endo, Nissan's senior vice president of global marketing, who said that the automaker is trying to...

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[Antihero983]

WHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAT?!

ghey.

as someone who used to work at toyota, i can honestly say....hybrids are a fucking waste of money.

why? you can get almost the same gas mileage from a fucking corolla AND they make the same emissions.

if they make it hybrid, its going to be a waste.

[all show no go]

i hope to god this isnt so.. it would make ZERO sense to bring back a well in demand car with a big following but as a hybrid. Hyundai finally got their head on straight, so i thought Nissan would have to whip out something equal to the Genesis to compete in the sales, but if theyre gonna do this.. :ugh:

[98s14inaz]

God damn it, will someone Japanese buy Nissan back from that french pussy already so we can get some good cars. Hybrid!!!!???? WTF???!!!! Silvia Hybrid = EPIC FAILURE

[exitspeed]

God damn it, will someone Japanese buy Nissan back from that french pussy already so we can get some good cars. Hybrid!!!!???? WTF???!!!! Silvia Hybrid = EPIC FAILURE

Good call. Cause the GTR is a total failure. :duh:

[Tulok]

I hope this isnt true, hybrids are soooo lame!
I am seriously gonna be mad if this comes through.

[98s14inaz]

Good call. Cause the GTR is a total failure. :duh:

Exception to every rule, you got me though lol :bigok:

some ppl on here are french and live there

Sorry man, the french are good at a lot of things...wine, cheese, whine, surrendering, etc. Designing "Japanese" cars is not one of them...except for the GTR...thanks for the correction exitspeed ;-)

Tell the French that we want our cars to have snails, not the designers eating snails. A hybrid "silvia" or "240" will be an epic failure.

[DreamN]

it'll never happen. you guys are getting worked up for no reason.

[Slam]

I bet it's not going to be a hybrid. Hybrid powertrain are sometimes mentioned to create buzz with the press and general public. This grows awareness for the company and the vehicle. And you know the deal, being green nowadays is the hot topic.

Another reason why its probably not a hybrid, look at Nissan's hybrid options, only one...Altima Hybrid. So if something else is getting a hybrid, it'll be the Sentra or the Rogue.

Ghosn and 'the french' turned Nissan around, but they also f things up by moving the company to Tennessee. Most of the talent in he LA HQ went elsewhere. When Nissan was run by the japanese, there was alot of loyalty within its operations and things were not cut even if the business case didn't pan out. When Ghosn stepped in, he basically cut out the fat. Another example were some the suppliers to the company, they use to be given the business because of old times sake, but that changed right away when Ghosn stepped in, he basically made them compete with other suppliers for the business of supplying to nissan, this automatically lowered Nissan costs.

this is only a bit of it..there is so much more detail...

[exitspeed]

Exception to every rule, you got me though lol :bigok:



Sorry man, the french are good at a lot of things...wine, cheese, whine, surrendering, etc. Designing "Japanese" cars is not one of them...except for the GTR...thanks for the correction exitspeed ;-)



Actually Nissan has a very strong line-up of vehicles. The Altima Sedan and Coupe are both attractive cars with great powerplants and chassis. The Altima is the number one selling vehicle for Nissan. The Versa is a very good car as well in it's class.

Look at Infiniti. The G35 Sedan and 37 coupe are complete winners inside and out and are quit a bang for your buck compared to the 3 Series. The MB C-class doesn't even compete. The EX is a great CUV and addition to the line-up as well.

Sure the new headlight design on the Maxima and 370Z is kinda nasty, but I hardly think that's Renaults fault.

Before the Renault partnership Nissan was on the Brink of Bankruptcy (think Ford right now) and really had a pretty shitty line-up of vehicles on both the Nissan and Infiniti side of things. The partnership has really been nothing but positive for the company and consumers on both sides of the pond.

Bu, we've already been discussing all this in the RWD thread in OT.

[98s14inaz]

Sure the new headlight design on the Maxima and 370Z is kinda nasty, but I hardly think that's Renaults fault.


I saw a new maxima in person out here in AZ. They had everything covered up/michigan plates but I knew what it was. The pics don't do the car justice, it looks very aggressive in person. I'm a convert.

[kyoru]

i don't see the big deal, as long as its unobtrusive it seems like a win win situation for everyone.

[an_orange_s2k]

they wont be do it.............hopefully

[frosti108]

Tell the French that we want our cars to have snails, not the designers eating snails.


haaaahahahahaha




hybrids are ghey and a waste. supposedly the batteries do wayyyy more damage than anything a regular internal combustion engine can cause. but then again this is just another rumor ive heard :goyou:

[90KAcoupe]

i saw a maxima with nothing covering it up at all. i really kinda liked it.. its just something u have to see in person..

[IStop4NoMan]

haaaahahahahaha




hybrids are ghey and a waste. supposedly the batteries do wayyyy more damage than anything a regular internal combustion engine can cause. but then again this is just another rumor ive heard :goyou:

i have also heard the batteries are worse for the environment. something about the plant they are made at has killed the entire habitat for like 10 miles around. rumors are great. :loco:

[Champster]

Say thanks to Al Gore for the bullshit global warming hysteria.

[irax]

as long as it is still fun to drive and i can still modify it to make babies cry i'll like it

[98s14inaz]

as long as it is still fun to drive and i can still modify it to make babies cry i'll like it

I think that is the biggest point. How the hell are you going to modify a hybrid? At least with a turbo car you can up the boost etc. What are you going to do with the hybrid? Bigger batteries? Bigger smug cell? Neons? It sounds like it is going to have a bunch of Nissan Nanny crap in it to prevent you from doing much anyway.

[devnull]

What are you going to do with a hybrid? First you pull the batteries before you take the car off the lot. Tell the manager he can have them. Then you tow it home and rip out the magical planet-saving motor along with all the electronics.

Then you drop in a monster with a whistle.

done

[irax]

I think that is the biggest point. How the hell are you going to modify a hybrid? At least with a turbo car you can up the boost etc. What are you going to do with the hybrid? Bigger batteries? Bigger smug cell? Neons? It sounds like it is going to have a bunch of Nissan Nanny crap in it to prevent you from doing much anyway.
I really doubt that. Just because you don't know how to modify a hybrid doesn't mean they are not modifiable.

Besides I really meant slammed to the ground, loud scraping exhaust and being super flush.

[98s14inaz]

What are you going to do with a hybrid? First you pull the batteries before you take the car off the lot. Tell the manager he can have them. Then you tow it home and rip out the magical planet-saving motor along with all the electronics.

Then you drop in a monster with a whistle.

done

LoL. Quoted for truth and accuracy.

I really doubt that. Just because you don't know how to modify a hybrid doesn't mean they are not modifiable.

Besides I really meant slammed to the ground, loud scraping exhaust and being super flush.

Any monkey can do lowering and new wheels. I'm talking about performance. You can always do what devnull said.

[irax]

LoL. Quoted for truth and accuracy.

Any jack ass elephant can quote some one because they believe what they say, doesn't make it true or accurate.

w/e I'll take Handling performance over Excessive Acceleration any day of the week. You don't need high hp to go drifting or down grade mountain carving.

[devnull]

To mod a hybrid, you would definitely need to chip the computers and possibly modify the drivetrain and battery controllers to handle the bigger output. You'd also have two motors to tear down and modify. The IC engine would need custom made parts and the electric motor would have to go to an electric shop to have the windings re-wound.

[Dr.Doom]

Dont knock a car just because its a hybrid. One thing you need to consider is what the car is designed for, economy or performance. Also you need to consider how much torque an electric motor has. Disable the traction control on a toyota highlander hybrid and you'll smoke the tires. So take a decently powered engine and combine it with an electric motor and you'll have one quick ass car, as long as its engineered that way.

[irax]

DID EVERYONE FUCKING FORGET ABOUT THE LEXUS HYBRIDS? The L and the G hybrids have 0-60 in less than 5.5 seconds. The L has 485 HP and the G has 375

AND THEY BOTH GET 30 MPG!

FUCK ALL OF YOU!

Who wants 485 hp and 30mpg on a understated EPA average AND STILL HANDLES REALLY GOOD?

I do

neg rep for everyone thats talking shit about hybrids

kthnxbye

[irax]

Ghosn and 'the french' turned Nissan around, but they also f things up by moving the company to Tennessee. Most of the talent in he LA HQ went elsewhere. When Nissan was run by the japanese, there was alot of loyalty within its operations and things were not cut even if the business case didn't pan out. When Ghosn stepped in, he basically cut out the fat. Another example were some the suppliers to the company, they use to be given the business because of old times sake, but that changed right away when Ghosn stepped in, he basically made them compete with other suppliers for the business of supplying to nissan, this automatically lowered Nissan costs.

this is only a bit of it..there is so much more detail...


I'm sorry but are you SURE you're from San Diego? because the Nissan/Infinity design team is IN LA JOLLA! I've been there. Nissan HQ in LA is used for prototypes that are on the last stages before production AND the nissan main overall(sales and logistics) HQ in USA. Moving things to Tenn. Which anyone that was worth while knew about coming since 03, Cost of living there is SO MUCH CHEAPER than California, its a good way to save money by paying a little bit less and getting your employees more(same million dollar house in LA or SD is 300k - 450 in Tenn). And don't tell me you wouldn't move if your pay was going to be cut 3-7% from 70k to 65.1k

[98s14inaz]

Any jack ass elephant can quote some one because they believe what they say, doesn't make it true or accurate.

w/e I'll take Handling performance over Excessive Acceleration any day of the week. You don't need high hp to go drifting or down grade mountain carving.

I'll tell you what. The drag prius doesn't have anything close to the stock power train in it. Show me some hybrids that are fast besides the over priced lexus offerings. Just because I have an opinion different than yours doesn't mean it's wrong. What makes you such an expert? Google? JDM drift videos? Lived in Japan for a couple of years on a military base? lol Give me a break. Let's talk hybrid sportscars under $27k that the average tuner joe can afford. I'm not buying into this hybrid crap. Make the econo-toy cars for the hippies and give the rest of use small displacement and turbos.


...Moving things to Tenn. Which anyone that was worth while knew about coming since 03, Cost of living there is SO MUCH CHEAPER than California, its a good way to save money by paying a little bit less and getting your employees more(same million dollar house in LA or SD is 300k - 450 in Tenn). And don't tell me you wouldn't move if your pay was going to be cut 3-7% from 70k to 65.1k

This you're right about. I've lived there, beautiful state and cheap to live there. Thinking of moving back some day.

[drift freaq]

Ah you guys are arguing over speculation at best. There is a rumor that the new Silvia or Silvia replacement might be hybrid. There are lots of rumors. There were rumors the 350z was going to be V8 there were rumors that the GTR was originally going to be a V8. Whether or not its done, we will see when it bows. Arguing over this point though has just gotten nuts though.
Ib has points that you don't like or agree with S14inAZ . You state a lot of things I don't always agree with. So why don't you guys just agree to disagree because this topic is straying under the press of the argument.

[98s14inaz]

Ah you guys are arguing over speculation at best. There is a rumor that the new Silvia or Silvia replacement might be hybrid. There are lots of rumors. There were rumors the 350z was going to be V8 there were rumors that the GTR was originally going to be a V8. Whether or not its done, we will see when it bows. Arguing over this point though has just gotten nuts though.
Ib has points that you don't like or agree with S14inAZ . You state a lot of things I don't always agree with. So why don't you guys just agree to disagree because this topic is straying under the press of the argument.

True, but I don't insult you and completely write off what you say as false. You're right though...we'll agree to disagree :bigok:

[irax]

I'll tell you what. The drag prius doesn't have anything close to the stock power train in it. Show me some hybrids that are fast besides the over priced lexus offerings. Just because I have an opinion different than yours doesn't mean it's wrong. What makes you such an expert? Google? JDM drift videos? Lived in Japan for a couple of years on a military base? lol Give me a break. Let's talk hybrid sportscars under $27k that the average tuner joe can afford. I'm not buying into this hybrid crap. Make the econo-toy cars for the hippies and give the rest of use small displacement and turbos.

No lets not talk hybrid sports cars under $27k because we are not talking about low - mid market economy cars. for hybrids to truly take off i agree they have to be cheap and start at like $13k like Scions. But the Hybrid SportCom or even full fledged Sports car are not going to be cheap. But if Nissan really wants to push this it would definitely start a whole new trend of sports car or sport com with a hybrid option.

Expert? well, I don't think of my self as one but thanks.
No I just watch allot of discovery channel when it has anything to do with cars. I have been reading about electric drag cars since forever in Popular Science and Popular Mechanics. The difference between me and you is that I don't discredit something just because I don't think its worth while or do-able.

[Antihero983]

i worked at toyota. priuses are a fucking waste of money.

watching about them and actually working on them are two different things irax.

[98s14inaz]

No lets not talk hybrid sports cars under $27k because we are not talking about low - mid market economy cars. for hybrids to truly take off i agree they have to be cheap and start at like $13k like Scions. But the Hybrid SportCom or even full fledged Sports car are not going to be cheap. But if Nissan really wants to push this it would definitely start a whole new trend of sports car or sport com with a hybrid option.

Expert? well, I don't think of my self as one but thanks.
No I just watch allot of discovery channel when it has anything to do with cars. I have been reading about electric drag cars since forever in Popular Science and Popular Mechanics. The difference between me and you is that I don't discredit something just because I don't think its worth while or do-able.

I threw $27k out there just to give you the benefit of the doubt considering the cars you listed were in the $90k+ range. A boring slow Prius stickers at about $21,100 - $23,370. As we all know anytime you add something "performance" that price goes up...so let's say $27k for a theoretical "Hybrid Sportscar".

I asked what made you such an expert because you certainly run your mouth like you were the man when it came to this stuff. Unfortunately I was wrong because as you said, "I just watch allot of discovery channel when it has anything to do with cars. I have been reading about electric drag cars since forever in Popular Science and Popular Mechanics."

Wow, I bow to your superior knowledge of all things automotive /end sarcasm

I'm arguing the point that it will never happen because of the many reasons I and several others listed in this thread. You are saying it could, it very well might. It isn't likely though.

Like I said before you decided to run your mouth again, "let's agree to disagree". Unless you or I work at Nissan neither one of us is going to know anything until it leaks on the internet. But hey, this is fun. I love talking about this stuff. At the very least you are being civil now. Thanks :-)

[devnull]

DID EVERYONE FUCKING FORGET ABOUT THE LEXUS HYBRIDS? The L and the G hybrids have 0-60 in less than 5.5 seconds. The L has 485 HP and the G has 375

AND THEY BOTH GET 30 MPG!

FUCK ALL OF YOU!

Who wants 485 hp and 30mpg on a understated EPA average AND STILL HANDLES REALLY GOOD?

I do

neg rep for everyone thats talking shit about hybrids

kthnxbye

If you could drop 90k on a car...nevermind a lexus...why the fuck would you give a rats ass about fuel economy? There are other much more effective ways to spend 90k caring about the environment. Why the fuck would you throw money at a car when the batteries of said car will over the course of their existence cause more pollution than they saved by powering a hybrid car?

Who's the idiot here, mister neg repper?

[drift freaq]

If you could drop 90k on a car...nevermind a lexus...why the fuck would you give a rats ass about fuel economy? There are other much more effective ways to spend 90k caring about the environment. Why the fuck would you throw money at a car when the batteries of said car will over the course of their existence cause more pollution than they saved by powering a hybrid car?

Who's the idiot here, mister neg repper?

Uh it shows you are not around a lot of rich people. Contrary to what people think I know a lot of Millionaires that own Hybrids.Hell there are a lot of Stars in Hollywood big name stars driving Hybrids.
I also know a lot of Millionaires driving regular cars. Fact is the image that all rich people drive fancy or super expensive cars is a stereotype. Hell Warren Buffet one of the richest men in the world does not have a chauffer he drives himself around.

[Antihero983]

rich people drive hybrids for the image that theyre doing the right thing.

but hey, guess what? hybrids still put out the same amount of emissions as a regular car. IT STILL HAS A GAS ENGINE ATTATCHED.

honestly, for the money i would rather get a civic Si or something of the like and get 30+ mpg and not have to worry about an expensive hybrid system breaking after the warranty is up.

[irax]

If you could drop 90k on a car...nevermind a lexus...why the fuck would you give a rats ass about fuel economy? There are other much more effective ways to spend 90k caring about the environment. Why the fuck would you throw money at a car when the batteries of said car will over the course of their existence cause more pollution than they saved by powering a hybrid car?

Who's the idiot here, mister neg repper?

you still are

the Hybrid G starts at 55k

who said nissan is going to make a 90k hybrid silvia? what makes you think that Nissan, who doesn't have any hybrids at all (at least in the USA) is going to start with the 's16'? at the very most if there is a hybrid option I find it VERY unlikely that it would capout more than 30k, with base gas engine non turbo option capping at 25k which most of zilvia still can't afford. I'm poor too, but I'm not pretending that I'll buy a new one either.

98s14inaz: I mention that stuff because I keep up with everything going on that is related to my interest and those were the only specific sources that i could think of at the time. Sorry for taking it too seriously it just REALLY erks me when people just close their minds to modifying anything, and downplaying any new technology.

[98s14inaz]

The theoretical "Silvia Hybrid" that was suggested in the op's thread is not going to be marketed towards the wealthy. That's why I kind of scoffed at the notion of the Lexus cars being mentioned. The car needs a price point below the Z for Nissan to compete with the offerings from the other companies like Toyota/Subaru/Hyundai. I just don't see the price being low enough considering how much it costs for a boring slow Prius. I'd take small displacement and turbo over hybrid any day of the week and it would still have great fuel economy.

http://www.terrapass.com/images/blogposts/1002_its_a_hybrid.jpg

[irax]

The theoretical "Silvia Hybrid" that was suggested in the op's thread is not going to be marketed towards the wealthy. That's why I kind of scoffed at the notion of the Lexus cars being mentioned. The car needs a price point below the Z for Nissan to compete with the offerings from the other companies like Toyota/Subaru/Hyundai. I just don't see the price being low enough considering how much it costs for a boring slow Prius. I'd take small displacement and turbo over hybrid any day of the week and it would still have great fuel economy.

http://www.terrapass.com/images/blogposts/1002_its_a_hybrid.jpg

well this is true, but I still think Nissan has a hat trick left to do if this becomes more than a rumor. You can't compair a hybrid sport-com to a sports car. Even when it comes to price range, sure if for the same price they could get a Z but consumers are getting smarter and smarter and actually thinking about fuel economy. If the option was available to me I would rather have a moderate horse power hybrid over a Z only because for the most part my commute to work is less then a mile. That isn't even far enough for the gas engine to be turned on. But at the same time there is also the option for the hybrid to be the low end model that is just economy spec and if thats true it is more likely to be under 25k. The reason why i mentioned the lexus hybrids was to point out the fact that there is production performance hybrids on then market.

[devnull]

who said nissan is going to make a 90k hybrid silvia?



You expressed your interest in the lexus cars. I didn't say a damn thing about a 90k silvia. I stated that there are better ways to spend that much money...both in terms of cars and in terms of reducing your pollution footprint.

My issue with hybrids is that they are a weak stop-gap effort to reduce pollution and they never do as well as they promise. Their very premise is flawed because of the extra pollution byproducts in the manufacture and eventual disposal of their electric systems.

[NI_YON_Zenki]

lol Rumormill. What a tool, lol.

[drift freaq]

rich people drive hybrids for the image that theyre doing the right thing.

but hey, guess what? hybrids still put out the same amount of emissions as a regular car. IT STILL HAS A GAS ENGINE ATTATCHED.

honestly, for the money i would rather get a civic Si or something of the like and get 30+ mpg and not have to worry about an expensive hybrid system breaking after the warranty is up.

Actually that is a ignorant statement on your part but given that you live in NH and not Cali I will let it slip on by. Fact is contrary to your beliefs there are rich people in California who do actually care about the enviroment which is why they are running hybrids. I know I live here you don't.

Oh and this thread has runs its course it should die.

[Bushido]

Actually, hes partly correct.



Hybrid vehicles give the illusion of being eco friendly, when in fact they are quite the opposite.

The nickel is mined and smelted at a plant in Sudbury, Ontario. This plant has caused so much environmental damage to the surrounding environment that NASA has used the ‘dead zone’ around the plant to test moon rovers. The area around the plant is devoid of any life for miles.http://clubs.ccsu.edu/Recorder/editorial/editorial_item.asp?NewsID=188

Misinformed people think that Hybrids are the least polluting cars out there, but when you take into account the pollution created in manufacturing one, the statistics show that building a Toyota Prius causes more environmental damage than a Hummer that is on the road for three times longer than a Prius.

You want to be ecofriendly? Drive a Honda CRX HF.


As for a Hybrid Silvia, What fucktard thought that rumor up?

Nissan has said many times that hybrid vehicles are a waste of resources and just a band-aid technology and that they do not intend on going down the hybrid path. Instead, they are perusing full electric propulsion, as previewed in the CUBE EV concept.

This hybrid Silvia nonsense, is just that, nonsense.

[drift freaq]

Actually, hes partly correct.



Hybrid vehicles give the illusion of being eco friendly, when in fact they are quite the opposite.

http://clubs.ccsu.edu/Recorder/editorial/editorial_item.asp?NewsID=188

Misinformed people think that Hybrids are the least polluting cars out there, but when you take into account the pollution created in manufacturing one, the statistics show that building a Toyota Prius causes more environmental damage than a Hummer that is on the road for three times longer than a Prius.

You want to be ecofriendly? Drive a Honda CRX HF.


As for a Hybrid Silvia, What fucktard thought that rumor up?

Nissan has said many times that hybrid vehicles are a waste of resources and just a band-aid technology and that they do not intend on going down the hybrid path. Instead, they are perusing full electric propulsion, as previewed in the CUBE EV concept.

This hybrid Silvia nonsense, is just that, nonsense.

I don't disagree with this. I was just pointing out a couple of things in this discussion.
1. Regardless of how actually ecologically friendly the cars may actually be, some people including rich people and celebrities are purchasing and driving these cars with good intention and not just for grandstanding.
2. Both sides have some validity to their arguments but their are flaws.

In conclusion like I stated before this thread should die. Its speculation at best and we do not know. If cell technology could be refined to be less labor and have less impact on the environment down the road. it might be a way to go.
I

[ROIDMONKEY]

The theoretical "Silvia Hybrid" that was suggested in the op's thread is not going to be marketed towards the wealthy. That's why I kind of scoffed at the notion of the Lexus cars being mentioned. The car needs a price point below the Z for Nissan to compete with the offerings from the other companies like Toyota/Subaru/Hyundai. I just don't see the price being low enough considering how much it costs for a boring slow Prius. I'd take small displacement and turbo over hybrid any day of the week and it would still have great fuel economy.

http://www.terrapass.com/images/blogposts/1002_its_a_hybrid.jpg
good for youuu, THAAAAANKS

[exitspeed]

In conclusion like I stated before this thread should die.

Yes.

And we've been discussing the new RWD coupe from Nissan for months and months in the RWD thread in OT.