HHO Gas Conversion anyone?

[gijoe69]

Hello recently I stumbled upon, in another forum about creating your own HHO (brown gas)...has anyone tried it with their Nissan or other vehicle? They say it can increase your Gas Mileage and better engine performance also a website saying something about.....if installed into the intake manifold it boosts up octane more.... and save alot of money in gas...I am tired of paying high pump gas in San Francisco, CA lol

[RedSVTFlareside]

info or a link. I don't know what brown gas is.

[jinesz32]

a co-worker told me about this, he said they don't use it because it raises your octane or something. lol!

[98s14inaz]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oxyhydrogen

I think he is taking about this stuff. Sounds interesting but there is a catch with hydrogen that keeps it from making it mainstream. It takes a shit load of energy to break the bond of the hydrogen and oxygen in water. Yes combining the two in an engine is efficient and gives you water vapor but getting the hydrogen separate is quite the challenge.

[boozels]

some of my friends have done the HHO conversion on their cars and have gotten a crazy increase in gas milage
so it does work

[decco]

I've been doing some research on this subject for a little while and the process is quite in depth to get the car properly running. I would start by reading Stan Meyer's paper on the subject. Link (http://waterpoweredcar.com/pdf.files/Stan_Meyer_Full_Data.pdf)

[kenshinS14sks]

i would love to see the result of this on an sr :D

[S14DB]

It's a scam.

I'll pull up the threads it's been covered in before...
http://www.zilvia.net/f/showthread.php?t=110088

[dorkidori_s13]

you guys realize with a powerFC and bigger injectors you can easily run E85 in your 240s??

ive been running it for a few weeks now...kick ass fuel...tunes way better than 100 octane

the shop i work with here in town has been running it in TONS of their cars for years now (the majority of them are drag cars...one of them is a 9 second DSM)...weve had not one problem with it...only thing that you have to do is switch over to full synthetic oil (ethanol will wear out normal oil very quickly)

[S14DB]

You loose MPG running alcohol.

[Matej]

Convert your car to biodiesel, I want my exhaust to smell like onion rings.

[S14DB]

Convert your car to biodiesel, I want my exhaust to smell like onion rings.

I was trying for some time to get a 2.5L Turbo Diesel from a AU/UK Pathfinder. 247ft/lbs. 187hp. Couldn't find an importer.

[kuruptR]

ugh, biofuel. We need to go hydrogen already.

[98s14inaz]

I was trying for some time to get a 2.5L Turbo Diesel from a AU/UK Pathfinder. 247ft/lbs. 187hp. Couldn't find an importer.

That would pwn. I'd be down for a group buy on that if you did ever find one.

[slideways2004]

you guys realize with a powerFC and bigger injectors you can easily run E85 in your 240s??

ive been running it for a few weeks now...kick ass fuel...tunes way better than 100 octane

the shop i work with here in town has been running it in TONS of their cars for years now (the majority of them are drag cars...one of them is a 9 second DSM)...weve had not one problem with it...only thing that you have to do is switch over to full synthetic oil (ethanol will wear out normal oil very quickly)

that's badass. i wish E85 was more available here in houston. i have only seen it once and that was at a Kroger station

[Phlip]

you guys realize with a powerFC and bigger injectors you can easily run E85 in your 240s??

ive been running it for a few weeks now...kick ass fuel...tunes way better than 100 octane

the shop i work with here in town has been running it in TONS of their cars for years now (the majority of them are drag cars...one of them is a 9 second DSM)...weve had not one problem with it...only thing that you have to do is switch over to full synthetic oil (ethanol will wear out normal oil very quickly)
I swear I would entertain this if the closest station with E85 weren't 40 minutes away from me.

[smelly240]

there are 2 stations in philadelphia *AREA* with e85 - but i lve like 15 mins from the closer one and its in center city...

if it was at any of the local stations here id do it.

[sillyvia13]

hho is real..I will convert my s13 to show the s chassis guys!

[LA_phantom_240]

I swear I would entertain this if the closest station with E85 weren't 40 minutes away from me.

Dude, I don't even know how far the nearest one is, if it isn't more than 2-3 hours away.


And HHO isn't a scam. Its a far fetched idea with a lot of potential, but not a scam.

Now, I didn't click any of the other links, but some 'companies' are making ridiculous claims and charging way too much for stuff that doesn't even work worth a damn.

Its best left to people who have a lot of time to perfect their designs.

[awesomenick]

What about CNG? It's only $.67 a gallon out here. My friend has a KA24ET that's also CNG. I'll post some pictures when I get my camera back.

[Oo_Skyline_oO]

What about CNG? It's only $.67 a gallon out here. My friend has a KA24ET that's also CNG. I'll post some pictures when I get my camera back.

wow please do and maybe some more info, I'd convert my KA24DE to CNG anyday

[Oo_Skyline_oO]

you guys realize with a powerFC and bigger injectors you can easily run E85 in your 240s??

ive been running it for a few weeks now...kick ass fuel...tunes way better than 100 octane

the shop i work with here in town has been running it in TONS of their cars for years now (the majority of them are drag cars...one of them is a 9 second DSM)...weve had not one problem with it...only thing that you have to do is switch over to full synthetic oil (ethanol will wear out normal oil very quickly)


is there a write up for this??? can you post pics and what power increases/decreases you get, and mpg??? if the CNG thing is too complex for me I'd like to try it. there's a few E85 stations near me.

[GSXRJJordan]

Natural gas is waaaaay less potent than gasoline, or even diesel. It might be $.70/gallon, but if you need 5 times as much to make the same amount of power, and can only carry 10 gallons, it's just a hassle.

[TheTimanator]

some of my friends have done the HHO conversion on their cars and have gotten a crazy increase in gas milage
so it does work
hho is real..I will convert my s13 to show the s chassis guys!
I'm not calling BS...but I'd like you to prove it. I'd like to see it done and how hard or easy it can be done by your average person.

[Thrill]

so wait, you can convert your 240 to natural gas, but its not as powerful as gasoline? i dont understand do you still need 5 times as much natural gas as gasoline? how much do conversion kits go for?

[Thrill]

its something to consider because my 240 is my daily driver and i commute alot, im sure its gotta be something that can be possibly negative about this but we all just want more info.

[S14DB]

The average person wouldn't be able to fill their own CNG. Takes about 15mins to fill. All the idiots that have gasoline fires. Imagine that with a invisible gas.

It's a good option for fleets but I don't see joe idiot using it.

[Thrill]

i wouldnt consider myself joe idiot if thats the main issue, actually using the pump, i mean what is another downside? because so far the good outweighs the negative

[S14DB]

"CNG vehicles have lower fuel efficiency than hybrid vehicles. A Civic GX, for example, averages 32 mpg, while a Civic Hybrid is rated at 50 mpg. So while a GGE of CNG is cheaper, the Civic GX needs more fuel to operate, and therefore costs per mile are actually higher."

[delphis]

honda has a hydrogen car coming out in 2010 I believe.

[LA_phantom_240]

That is correct, sir. I think the prototype is called FCX?

[sillyvia13]

I'm not calling BS...but I'd like you to prove it. I'd like to see it done and how hard or easy it can be done by your average person.

thats fine...I understand your feelings...I found it out of no where...
but it seems everyone who has done this 20 years ago died a random death!

meyers was killed...offered BILLIONS from oil companys...
another dude went mia...he converted water in steam via hot exahust then consumed the steam aka hydrogen and fired on it...thats the best Idea I have seen,...simple and funcational...

I WILL MAKE MILLIONS DOING THIS! IN NEW ENGLAND!
I hope...lol...
I have a performance shop I am shutting down to start this idea...
if works BINGO! if not, sr swap anyone? lol...

gimmie a MONTH tops...I will be back with a car running on water and gas...then hopefully just water.!

you tube has mad info!
you can use many different fuels to run your items..but govt and companies dont want you to see them!

a magnectic motor is free power! take nanomilliamps to run... sp? pretty much a fart has more power than this needs to run!

very well idea.!

water will change the world for good and bad...in 50 years there will be a shortage of water and will kill us! but til then lets ride! lol...

~interesting
Russ

[S14DB]

thats fine...I understand your feelings...I found it out of no where...
but it seems everyone who has done this 20 years ago died a random death!

meyers was killed...offered BILLIONS from oil companys...
another dude went mia...he converted water in steam via hot exahust then consumed the steam aka hydrogen and fired on it...thats the best Idea I have seen,...simple and funcational...

I WILL MAKE MILLIONS DOING THIS! IN NEW ENGLAND!
I hope...lol...
I have a performance shop I am shutting down to start this idea...
if works BINGO! if not, sr swap anyone? lol...

gimmie a MONTH tops...I will be back with a car running on water and gas...then hopefully just water.!

you tube has mad info!
you can use many different fuels to run your items..but govt and companies dont want you to see them!

a magnectic motor is free power! take nanomilliamps to run... sp? pretty much a fart has more power than this needs to run!

very well idea.!

water will change the world for good and bad...in 50 years there will be a shortage of water and will kill us! but til then lets ride! lol...

~interesting
Russ
Steam=Hydrogen?

You need to go back to school and take some Physics and Chemistry classes. Changing a state of matter doesn't change it's molecular makeup. H20 to H.

[jilo]

if anybody is interested i have schematics for building this stuff for a car. photobucket is down at the moment. ill upload them at some point.

[Strider]

Why would anyone want to convert there car to hydrogen? It would be a lot more cost effective and just more practical to convert your car to an electric vehicle if you're in it for mileage.

[sillyvia13]

Steam=Hydrogen?

You need to go back to school and take some Physics and Chemistry classes. Changing a state of matter doesn't change it's molecular makeup. H20 to H.

school...lol...not me! I would rather save my money and try it hands on!

I seen a video of a guy running it from a steam conversion I am no physics major, but my eyes seen it! fucking ran a pipe inside exhaust to convert into a gas state in which you would have to THINK! there is SOME hydrogen molecules ready to light!? I dunno! but will tell I will find out!

I am cheap! and not as rich as I would like to be! and $4.00 a gallon aint helping me!
SO I will try my hand at hydro locking a few engines! lol...

and as for your schooling comment, even the physics forum I am on say it can't be done its IMPOSSIBLE! but it is being done! you tube bro's you tube you have it in front of you! LOOK! it is amazing! truely...

also found out that if in LA you can not use the water for it is so polluted it turns into MUD!!!!! like a cake mix style mud! lol....
~russ

[LA_phantom_240]

school...lol...not me! I would rather save my money and try it hands on!

I seen a video of a guy running it from a steam conversion I am no physics major, but my eyes seen it! fucking ran a pipe inside exhaust to convert into a gas state in which you would have to THINK! there is SOME hydrogen molecules ready to light!? I dunno! but will tell I will find out!

I am cheap! and not as rich as I would like to be! and $4.00 a gallon aint helping me!
SO I will try my hand at hydro locking a few engines! lol...

and as for your schooling comment, even the physics forum I am on say it can't be done its IMPOSSIBLE! but it is being done! you tube bro's you tube you have it in front of you! LOOK! it is amazing! truely...

also found out that if in LA you can not use the water for it is so polluted it turns into MUD!!!!! like a cake mix style mud! lol....
~russ
The engine did not ignite the steam. The design I saw replaced the spark plug, and water was fed to it where it was electolyzed on the spot into HHO and then compressed and ignited if I'm not mistaken. I'll try to dig it up.

[gijoe69]

hey guys thanks for the replies, but yah...you can find videos on HHO conversions on YouTube or from Water4Gas.com.. And if you guys are curious about the conversion and materials... you don't have to purchase it from Water4Gas.com for the PDF just download from torrent > http://www.torrentz.com/search?q=Water4Gas it is only like 7mbs so doesn't hurt to check out the Adobe PDF...maybe sometime this week I will start gathering materials it shouldn't cost more than $40.00

[LA_phantom_240]

Check out www.FuelFromH2O.com

[gijoe69]

hmm...seems like the same concept but different design...but Water4Gas has a more easy and cheap materials build

[gijoe69]

The process is as follows, you start with water and an electrolyte NaHCo3 [Sodium Bicarbonate]. You add DC current, the H2o breaks down into H2 & O [we just call it HHO]. We introduce it into the engine by use of the engines vacuum. The HHO combines with the gasoline and air in the combustion chamber and is burnt. Once burnt, it converts back to H20 [water]. Its now going to absorb the inner heat from the engine normally at 350 - 400*F and turn into super heated steam. Then its pushed out during the exhaust stroke and out the tail pipe. There it condenses back into to water vapor and eventually collects back into water. So you start with water and end with water.

[sillyvia13]

The engine did not ignite the steam. The design I saw replaced the spark plug, and water was fed to it where it was electolyzed on the spot into HHO and then compressed and ignited if I'm not mistaken. I'll try to dig it up.


ya thats the steven meyer one thats even more amazing, its a injector that splits the water at well the injector, I here its hard to rev them or you cant rev them very high but for a DD who cares!

the one I am speaking off is a random video I found on you tube from 70's?

he had a old air compressor motor or something like it rigged up t his steamer thingy...and shit was cool as hell!!!!!!!!!! no emissions! al all!

I am so excited I can save money and use water, and do not have to be part of this war over oil! shit lets fight over who saving more fuel! MPG! race GO!

[Tenchuu]

CNG works great........ for trucks

A buddy of mine has a CNG truck. i drove it a few times. it was converted from diesel and got about 25MPG which was better than the diesel 80's silverado got. of course it had a huge gas tank behind the cab on the truck, but the bed would protect you in case of an accident.

[dorkidori_s13]

is there a write up for this??? can you post pics and what power increases/decreases you get, and mpg??? if the CNG thing is too complex for me I'd like to try it. there's a few E85 stations near me.

sorry...totally forgot about this topic

uh...if you want to run E85 in your s chassis you will need the following...

1) some kind of fuel computer (SAFC) or stand alone (like powerFC or V-Con)
2) adjustable FPR with gauge (dont waste your money on a NISMO...buy a aeromotive FPR with JEGS liquid filled gauge)
3) AT LEAST 600cc injectors on a SR running 7-10psi (400 on a NA KA)
4) wide band 02 sensor (for tuning purposes)
5) upgraded fuel pump (i WOULD NOT recommend a walbro...spend the money and get a Denso supra pump)
6) You have to change to synthetic oil (E85 will eat the hell outta conventional oils)

basically you need to tune your injectors to run 35% richer with E85...ethanol requires 35% more fuel to run BUT is a much cleaner and cooler burn than 87-91...E85 rates at about 105 octane when tuned correctly and can handle quite a bit of power (600+ dyno proven in the shops Evo8)...i see MAYBE 18-20 knock on my powerFC DJetro when i beat on the car in 85-110 deg heat...thats no where NEAR dangerous levels (i believe on a SR if youre up around 50-60 you need to worry)...its damn near the same levels i was getting on 100 octane (and remember...i live in vegas...so that tune is DAMN good)

im not sure of the milage as i forgot to plug my odometer in when i swapped out my digital cluster for my analogue one (oooops lol)...and my 02 sensor took a dump on me as well (its been dead for a while now actually...just havent felt like replacing it...will do once i order all my new head stuff after the stim check comes in the mail w00t)..im pretty sure its CLOSE to what i was getting on 100 octane

[Prime]

I've had 3 customers come into the shop I work in within 3 days, buying parts to build this kinda thing. I'm going to build one and test it, I'll post results with pictures when I finish. Method to test MPG, I'm guessing driving a given distance measured by ODO from a full tank, filling once more and adding HHO system and repeating would suffice?

Correct me if wrong now, so I can get this rolling. Shouldn't take me more than 3 days to build, so I'm more or less ready to rock on this.

[EDacIouSX]

i bought a flux capacitor and put banana peels in my gas tank. beat that!


sorry, had to say it.... lol ok i'll shutup now :bite:

[jilo]

for the electrolosis car, heres athe address for the plans.

http://spiritofmaat.com/archive/feb2/carplans_doc.htm

[gijoe69]

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[poziden]

i got some brown gas for ya....

[LS240]

This HHO gas is just flat out bullshit. It might work as a fuel on it's own, but having a system in your car to perform the electolysis to get the hydrogen from water is inefficient and uses more energy to make the HHO than you gain from actually burning the HHO. There was a great article about it in Sport Compact Car recently in I believe Jay Chen's editorial column. In it, using actual data and physics calculations, I believe he came up with about a 30% efficiency for the use of your engine's power to create HHO. In other words, for all the energy(which comes from fuel such as gasoline) you're using up to make HHO through electrolysis, you only get about 30% of that back. Imagine if the electrolysis takes up 10% of your engine's energy output(totally arbitrary number). Since only 30% of that energy used actually gets back into the system to motivate the vehicle, you are throwing 7% of your energy output put the window. In plain english, you are wasting your fucking fuel!

gimmie a MONTH tops...I will be back with a car running on water and gas...then hopefully just water.!

~interesting
Russ

Good luck with that. As I just explained this process takes more energy than it puts out. You could never actually run a car purely on water in this way, period, no matter what anyone tells you. That would be like lifting yourself off the ground by your own shoelaces.

I seen a video of a guy running it from a steam conversion I am no physics major, but my eyes seen it! fucking ran a pipe inside exhaust to convert into a gas state in which you would have to THINK! there is SOME hydrogen molecules ready to light!? I dunno! but will tell I will find out!

~russ

Hydrogen molecules ready to light? LOL by that logic you should just be able to light water on fire.

HHO gas : HHO gas hybrid car:
When talking about HHO we should start out talking about what it is and how it is made. How does the HHO system work? HHO gas is the done by having a container with a water solution, inside the container there are either metal plates or wire and an intake or out-gas tubes. The water has a charge put to it…the electricity goes through the plates or wire and causes electrolysis and the result is HHO that flows up the out-gas tube into the air intake manifold. The process is simple; the process of making HHO gas is also called Brown’s Gas. HHO is Hydrogen + Hydrogen + Oxygen. When the HHO systems splits water (H2O) into its components the h2o to HHO conversion takes place. HHO is also known as Green Gas, Hydroxy, Di-Hydroxy, and Water gas. The electrolysis of water produces a burnable Green Gas. HHO is a green gas that is the wave of the future. HHO auto conversion creates a hybrid car, which are now water powered cars using the technology of HHO. The HHO gas generator for cars is an environmentally friendly car modified with HHO technology, which allows users to increase their mileage, save money on gasoline, costs and drastically reduces car emissions. An HHO water hybrid car uses the HHO gas to assist combustion. So if you are asking the question, does HHO work in cars, the answer is yes, HHO technology for a waterpower car dramatically increases you miles per gallon. HHO as a fuel also reduces air pollution, decreases oil imports and fuel consumption, reduces the trade deficit and produce American jobs. If a mere 10% of automobiles nationwide were powered by an HHO gas fuel system, regulated air pollutants would be cut by one million tons per year and 60 million tons of the greenhouse gas carbon dioxide would be eliminated. HHO is derived from a renewable source, water, thus the emissions will be nothing but water vapor. You can’t get more environmentally friendly than that. HHO is water gas. HHO Systems are known to help an engine run cleaner with less carbon buildup. A water-powered car improves emissions with an increase in horsepower, which equates to fewer trips to the gas station. With today’s gas prices, everyone is looking for alternative car fuel. You can build your own HHO converter and make your car a hybrid car. When you build your own HHO systems converter it will connect to the 12 Volts of your battery via the ignition switch. To build HHO generator could take 10 minutes or less to connect. HHO makes the engine run quieter and it stops knocking or “pinging”. The water changes the combustion cycle into a more even or “round” cycle. This happens immediately upon installation of the HHO converter kit, and from that moment on, your engine works in a new way. Using hydrogen in cars creates less noise, less vibration, resulting in reduced strain on the transmission (thus smoother gear shifts), cleaner pistons and valves, and generally better engine operation. The more you learn about all this HHO fuel cell stuff, the more you will see how beneficial it is not only to your cost for fuel, but also for the environment.I have done this by using all ideas from

my sites - SPAM (http://google.com)

Holy crap can it cure cancer too? Does it make the blind see again? Can it get nerds laid? Ridiculous.

[240sxaddict]

the simple ebay kits are a scam.

greaser(220whp N/A KA24DE) actually installed one at his shop for a customer. Said the amp draw alone from the device created a 10whp drop iirc. Oh, and the kit doesnt create enough HHO to do shit...

[punk138]

look up the videos on youtube. very interesting. i have also been researching and even started my own little project. very time consuming....

[driftin_sr20det]

There is a guy with one on his SR on you tube also.

[ttawonggunta]

Dude, I don't even know how far the nearest one is, if it isn't more than 2-3 hours away.


And HHO isn't a scam. Its a far fetched idea with a lot of potential, but not a scam.

Now, I didn't click any of the other links, but some 'companies' are making ridiculous claims and charging way too much for stuff that doesn't even work worth a damn.

Its best left to people who have a lot of time to perfect their designs.

How does HHO work? see this article : HHO Gas fuel saver? (http://www.squidoo.com/HHOfuelenergy)

[sillyvia13]

hho ftw.
need to just bolt down my 5 gallon bucket cell lol...

HHO is it real or not...

well if you goolge hho and look you ll know

i got a system down...and lubbing it

[HyperTek]

people either read it or do it.. and the people who read it always say its bullshit.. the people who do it *youtube vids* say it works. Its one of those things you just got to try out..

Im curious to try it myself.. you may say it dont work for cars ,but it still produces something you could play with it..

Hard to find much sources on the net because everyone is trying to sell you the info.. =(

[Silverbullet]

i saw a news segment on a county in PA i think that is converting all of their police and service vehicles to HHO hybrids. I'm convinced they can work. I can't speak for Ebay kits though..