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kenversusryu
05-01-2008, 04:28 PM
Okay so now i'm going to rebuild my rear calipers. After 4 months of stupid brake pull, I'm going to rebuild the rear right cailper.

I ordered a rebuild kit from autozone.

Anybody have any tips? Any good advice? I don't see how replacing a couple of rubber rings and snap rings would take care of my caliper seize.

96Turbo
05-01-2008, 04:40 PM
Are you only rebuilding one?? you might as well do both rears while you're at it. it will take more work, but at least you won't hafta go and do it to the left side a few months down the road

lets see.... Use compressed air in the brake line hole to pop out the piston

clean everything really well

get a little packet of "brake lube" at an auto parts store to put on all the new rubber stuff to help during reassembly.

a little shot of wd40 in the caliper helps displace any remaining water.

wire wheel the sh!t out of the caliper if you're gonna paint it. this will also prevent future rust.

check condition of the bleeder screw and replace if necessary

SoguRacing
05-01-2008, 04:46 PM
also, be sure to check the pistons for rust or scratch marks or not to make any in the piston upon disassembly. get some crocus cloth and clean the piston with it. works well and use lots of caliper assembly fluid.

Modrified
05-01-2008, 05:09 PM
having mini picks to take the o-ring that is inside the caliper, optional, but definitely worth having.

here is a write up. it is not from me. it is from Rexbo (240sxforums) when i was rebuilding my calipers this is the best write up that i found.

Rexbo’s Guide to Rebuilding Brake Calipers

This is a quick guide with pictures to rebuilding a set of used R32 GTR brake calipers. While doing this, remember that these are your brakes. Your life depends on your brakes working so do not shortcut or make any shady efforts. Use only new parts to rebuild the calipers, replace the pads and bleed the fluid correctly, replacing with new brake fluid. Please note that the rebuild kit is the same one as used to rebuild s14 as well as z32 front calipers. It will NOT work on s13 calipers or any Nissan Brembo caliper. Also remember to keep track of all your little pieces and parts! They can be a pain to replace if you lose them! The calipers as shown are already off the car, I will do a separate write-up of how to do a brake caliper swap as well as 5-lug

Tools Needed:
- Compressed Air
- Nissan front and rear brake caliper rebuild kit #INF22690-64Y12
- Pliers (Normal, Needle-nose and vice-grip pliers)
- Flat head and Phillips screwdrivers
- 200 Grit and 400 grit or so sandpaper and a sanding block of some kind
- WD40 or other lubricant
- Brake fluid
- Brake pad anti-squeak compound
- Rags/Paper towels

* CAUTION: YOU ARE WORKING WITH BRAKE FLUID, ALWAYS WEAR EYE AND HAND PROTECTION AS IT IS EXTREMELY TOXIC*

Disassembly: (Front and Rear Calipers)
I will make this quick, as I have better pictures for re-assembly.
1) Take off the dust cover retaining rings around the caliper pistons. There should be 4, if you are unclear to what they are, scroll down.
2) Take an inch-thick piece of wood and put it in between the pistons of the caliper, or if the brake pads are still in the calipers, leave them there so that when you blow compressed air into the hole, the pistons will not be pushed out all the way.
3) Push the compressed air nozzle and GENTLY start feeding pressure into the brake caliper assembly through the hole where the brake line normally fits.
* CAUTION: WATCH YOUR FINGERS AND EYES. THE PISTONS CAN SHOOT OUT IF THEY ARE LOOSE SO BE VERY CAREFUL*
4) Once the pistons have all pushed out and are squeezing the pads or piece of wood, Pull the pads or wood out and shove a kitchen sponge or a wadded-up rag in the caliper to dampen the impact of the pistons when they push out. Gently apply air pressure again.
5) Once all the pistons have popped out, remove them, and if any are stuck gently pry on them with pliers, careful not to scratch or damage the sealing surface of the piston (the polished part).
6) Take a small flat head screwdriver and carefully pry the inner piston ring out, making sure not to scratch or damage the sealing surface of the caliper piston sleeve.
7) Bag and mark everything for later use, now it is time to clean your calipers however you choose. I will not cover this, as I recommend that you take the caliper to a professional powdercoater.
8) To get the shiny Nissan logo on the calipers, I took 200-grit sandpaper to the lettering, making sure to use masking tape to cover up parts of the caliper that I didn’t want to scratch. Sand until most of the paint is gone, then use the 400-grit to finish up the rest of the paint and to give the metal a shinier look. Alternatively you could paint the letters, but I found that sanding was faster.

http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y62/StevenDawson/IMG_0301.jpg

Front Reassembly:

http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y62/StevenDawson/FrontComplete.jpg

1) Use compressed air to blow all debris out of the fluid passages and out of the cylinders.
2) Spray some WD40 or other lubricant on a rag or paper towel and wipe down the inside of the cylinders as well as the outside of the pistons to clean them.

http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y62/StevenDawson/IMG_0304.jpg
http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y62/StevenDawson/IMG_0305.jpg

3) Once that has dried, on a separate rag, soak some brake fluid into it and wipe down the outside of the pistons and the inside of the cylinders to lubricate them. After that be careful not to touch the surfaces you just cleaned! Remember these are your brakes, your life depends on them, so be very careful!

http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y62/StevenDawson/IMG_0309.jpg

4) Take some of the supplied Nissan grease, and squeeze it into the bag holding the piston rings. Work it around so that the seals are completely covered in grease.

http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y62/StevenDawson/IMG_0307.jpg

5) Insert the seals into the cylinder grooves, making sure they sit completely flush inside and that the piston will not pinch any part of it. The left cylinder is flush, the right is how you insert them in and work around.

http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y62/StevenDawson/IMG_0308.jpg

6) Stretch the rubber dust boots over the top of the pistons, making sure to grease the inside of the boot a little bit before stretching over. These make sure no brake dust contaminates the piston seal. Also clean them with brake fluid after touching the lower part as I am in this picture.

http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y62/StevenDawson/IMG_0310.jpg

7) Insert the clean pistons one at a time, and push them in until they bottom out. If they do not go in just with hand pressure, be sure they are in the cylinder correctly and that the seals are correctly seated.

http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y62/StevenDawson/IMG_0311.jpg

8) Snap the dust boot over the lip surrounding each piston, and clamp them down with the supplied snap rings.

http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y62/StevenDawson/IMG_0312.jpg
http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y62/StevenDawson/IMG_0313.jpg

Front Brake Pad Install:

http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y62/StevenDawson/IMG_0320.jpg

1) As I was missing the front shim hardware, this is an alternate method. Coat the back of the supplied brake pads with the anti-squeal compound you should have. Put a pea-sized drop for each piston and spread it around with a paper towel or rag.

http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y62/StevenDawson/IMG_0321.jpg

2) Insert the two pins from the outboard side first until they stick about an inch into the caliper. Slide the outboard brake pad (the one without the low pad warning tabs) onto the pins and push it until it rests against the pistons.

http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y62/StevenDawson/IMG_0322.jpg

3) Repeat with the inboard pad and slide the pins all the way through until they stick through the inboard side of the caliper.

http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y62/StevenDawson/IMG_0323.jpg

4) Install the anti-rattle spring with the bent part facing the top of the caliper (where the bleed nipple is).

http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y62/StevenDawson/IMG_0324.jpg

5) Install the supplied spring or your own cotter pins or safety wire to the pins to ensure they do not slide out.

http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y62/StevenDawson/IMG_0325.jpg

Rear Reassembly:

http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y62/StevenDawson/IMG_0315.jpg

1) Use compressed air to blow all debris out of the fluid passages and out of the cylinders. Much of the reassembly is the same as the front calipers so follow the same steps again.
2) Spray some WD40 or other lubricant on a rag or paper towel and wipe down the inside of the cylinders as well as the outside of the pistons to clean them.
3) Once that has dried, on a separate rag, soak some brake fluid into it and wipe down the outside of the pistons and the inside of the cylinders to lubricate them. After that be careful not to touch the surfaces you just cleaned! Remember these are your brakes, your life depends on them, so be very careful!
4) Take some of the supplied Nissan grease, and squeeze it into the bag holding the piston rings. Work it around so that the seals are completely covered in grease.
5) Insert the seals into the cylinder grooves, making sure they sit completely flush inside and that the piston will not pinch any part of it.

http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y62/StevenDawson/IMG_0316.jpg

6) Stretch the rubber dust boots over the top of the pistons, making sure to grease the inside of the boot a little bit before stretching over. These make sure no brake dust contaminates the piston seal.
7) Insert the clean pistons one at a time, and push them in until they bottom out. If they do not go in just with hand pressure, be sure they are in the cylinder correctly and that the seals are correctly seated.

http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y62/StevenDawson/IMG_0317.jpg

8) Snap the dust boot over the lip surrounding each piston, and clamp them down with the supplied snap rings.

http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y62/StevenDawson/IMG_0318.jpg

Rear Brake Pad Install:

http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y62/StevenDawson/IMG_0326.jpg

1) Coat the underside of the rear pad retaining clips with the anti-squeal compound, as these are the parts that will contact the caliper, and may rust in the future if not protected. Install them by clipping them to the top and bottom inside of the caliper.

http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y62/StevenDawson/IMG_0327.jpg
http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y62/StevenDawson/IMG_0328.jpg

2) Arrange the shims on the pads so that the black shim is sandwiched between the silver shim which should clip to the brake pad itself.

http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y62/StevenDawson/IMG_0329.jpg

3) Slide the pads into the caliper on their respective sides. The inboard pad should have the low pad warning clip on it.

http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y62/StevenDawson/IMG_0330.jpg

4) Slide the upper retaining pin all the way through the caliper and both pads. Install the anti-rattle clip in the center, then slide the lower pin all the way through as well.

http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y62/StevenDawson/IMG_0333.jpg

5) Install the supplied retaining ring, or alternatively use cotter pins or safety wire to make sure the pins will not slide out while driving.

http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y62/StevenDawson/IMG_0334.jpg


You’re done! The brakes are now ready to install on your car, which I will cover later on when I do my complete s13 5-lug swap and brake swap write-up.

Total Costs:
- R32 GTR Front and Rear Calipers (used) - $540.00
- Caliper Rebuilt Kit from Nissan - $24.88
- Caliper sandblasting and powdercoating - $135.00
- Hawk HPS front and rear brake pads - $140.00
------------
Total: $839.88

If you have any questions or comments feel free to contact me via Email at [email protected] or on AIM at Rexbo2006, or PM me anytime on these forums. Thank you and I hope this helps!

Rexbo

kenversusryu
05-01-2008, 06:14 PM
THANKS GUYS!

these are for rears so i don't know if i need compressed air. Supposedly the piston screws off.

All good advice nevertheless. I think i should do both.

Jung918
05-01-2008, 07:50 PM
That article is for 300zx calipers. The 240sx rear calipers are different. You have the e-brake assembly integrated into the caliper. I don't recall exactly, but I do remember that after I took the piston out, I needed special pliers for the c-clips. If I was you, I would just order rebuilt ones from autozone.

FRpilot
05-01-2008, 09:59 PM
yep, instead pliers to do your rear pistons like this:

http://images28.fotki.com/v1028/photos/1/1014310/4536509/RearCaliperTool-vi.jpg
http://images28.fotki.com/v1032/photos/1/1014310/4536509/BrakeTool2-vi.jpg

tools like this work better:

http://www.samstagsales.com/images/vw_matra_t10165x.jpg
http://www.eurocarparts.com/sealey/images/VS024.jpg
http://www.chain-auto-tools.com/pics/AMR450L.jpg

the box type one works best. it's universal and fits several type of pistons for your other cars. and the square part fits your standard 3/8'' ratchet

DreamN
05-01-2008, 10:04 PM
^ links to where the box one is available?

awesomenick
05-01-2008, 11:25 PM
The box is available at most auto parts stores. Just with all the hand tools.

kenversusryu
05-02-2008, 01:56 AM
why does it seize?

Is it because a broken ring? Not enough grease? What am i looking for to see the reason for a seized caliper?

SoguRacing
05-02-2008, 02:28 AM
Ok, on a sliding caliper the guiding pins can rust keeping the caliper from fully returning to its original position after the brake has been released causing drag. #2 the piston ring inside the caliper gets hard due to it being old and won't allow the piston to slide back into the caliper when the brake is released. this hold pretty much true for all types of calipers. as for fixed calipers, either the retaining pins can rust to the point where the pads wont move or the pistons can seize in their little pods due to the bad square cut seal. you're looking to do a full replacement/rebuild.

kenversusryu
05-02-2008, 12:19 PM
Piston ring?

Why do rebuild kits come with so many parts like snap rings and other rings? can they go bad too?

carnagexxxx
06-18-2008, 12:50 PM
Last night I took apart the used Z calipers which I recently purchased. I'd like to share a few things that I noted.

1. If buying calipers online, make sure you buy one of the rebuild kits from www.courtesyparts.com (http://www.courtesyparts.com) as you will most likely have worn dust boots.

2. Iron calipers seem to have about 1000 metal splinters that want to piss you off as much as possible. I usually only wear gloves when something I'm working on is gonna melt my hands. If you are like me and don't really give a crap about metal splinters don't worry.

3. USE CAUTION IF YOU USE A COMPRESSOR WHEN YOU TAKE THESE THINGS APART. Even at a really low pressure they will shoot out pretty hard. USE GOGGLES. (side note: brake cleaner in your eyeball doesn't hurt as much as a direct shot from pepper spray).

4. Grinder with wire wheel will knock off most garbage off of the calipers.

rastaman
07-16-2009, 06:26 AM
sorry to bring this thread back from the dead but is the z32 rebuild kit same as the r33?

projectRDM
07-16-2009, 11:26 AM
sorry to bring this thread back from the dead but is the z32 rebuild kit same as the r33?

Asked and answered.

kamilitaryman
09-10-2013, 11:36 AM
Sorry for the necro bump but it's necessary! I'm sure I'm not the only one who's wondering the same.

Can anyone tell me which set of snap ring pliers are best suited for both of the circlips in the caliper body (not the piston)? They are parts #18 & 22. I was also wondering what's a good trick to get #22 back in since it requires the spring (#20) to be compressed.

http://i186.photobucket.com/albums/x126/insanekch/KA24DET%20BUILD/ScreenShot2013-09-10at13104PM_zps3e8198bb.png (http://s186.photobucket.com/user/insanekch/media/KA24DET%20BUILD/ScreenShot2013-09-10at13104PM_zps3e8198bb.png.html)

I've used a crappy set of pliers to get 22 out and 18 was much easier. I know I'm not going to succeed using these crap pliers I have.

Thanks ahead for any input!

KC

kamilitaryman
09-11-2013, 06:59 AM
I think I found the perfect pliers for the job: Motion Pro 08-0279 Master Cylinder Snap Ring Pliers. Up to 50mm reach. Snap ring #22 sits ~44mm.

http://i186.photobucket.com/albums/x126/insanekch/KA24DET%20BUILD/MotionPro08-0279_zps01b7857b.jpg (http://s186.photobucket.com/user/insanekch/media/KA24DET%20BUILD/MotionPro08-0279_zps01b7857b.jpg.html)

az_240
09-11-2013, 11:21 AM
^I purchased a pair of deep well snap ring pliers on ebay specifically for this job. Even with the proper tools it's a huge bitch. I gave up and just bought rebuilt calipers from O'Reilly. I can't suggest anyone try this.

kamilitaryman
09-11-2013, 02:28 PM
quitter! ;)

az_240
09-11-2013, 06:31 PM
You'll find out soon enough...

codyace
09-11-2013, 09:30 PM
You'll find out soon enough...

Truth!

To me, the simple fact you can change calipers/pads in an hour vs spending half an afternoon rebuilding is reason enough to not monkey around with it.

kamilitaryman
09-12-2013, 07:40 AM
You'll find out soon enough...

Nah, I doubt I will.

Truth!

To me, the simple fact you can change calipers/pads in an hour vs spending half an afternoon rebuilding is reason enough to not monkey around with it.

To me, the simple fact you have to tear a caliper completely apart to powder coat it, is reason enough to rebuild my calipers ;)

visit ka-t.org if you want to see them for yourself once they are finished.

Mikester
09-12-2013, 08:04 AM
To me, the simple fact you have to tear a caliper completely apart to powder coat it, is reason enough to rebuild my calipers ;)

visit ka-t.org if you want to see them for yourself once they are finished.

IMHO, powder coating OEM rear calipers is a complete waste of money considering that reassembling them is a complete PITA.

Each to their own ;)

iamtheyi
09-12-2013, 08:39 AM
waste of time and money to rebuild. I just bought new ones like az240.

kamilitaryman
09-12-2013, 09:16 AM
IMHO, powder coating OEM rear calipers is a complete waste of money considering that reassembling them is a complete PITA.

Each to their own ;)

Well, I powder coated them myself in my garage. It's a project car so it's not really a waste of time to me. But you're totally right, each to their own :)

codyace
09-12-2013, 01:42 PM
Well, I powder coated them myself in my garage. It's a project car so it's not really a waste of time to me. But you're totally right, each to their own :)

Make sure make sure make sure you have every last stinking bit of sand or stripper out of that caliper, and make sure you don't get any dust (tape and tape again) in there.

Having powdercoated caliper smyself, it's crucial to keep it as clean and proper as possible.

kamilitaryman
09-12-2013, 02:18 PM
Make sure make sure make sure you have every last stinking bit of sand or stripper out of that caliper, and make sure you don't get any dust (tape and tape again) in there.

Having powdercoated caliper smyself, it's crucial to keep it as clean and proper as possible.

Without a doubt man. My 60 gal, 125psi compressor took care of it all :) I'm gonna blow through it a few more times before re-assembly. My pliers should be here today.

kamilitaryman
09-15-2013, 03:41 PM
I finally dedicated some time and reassembled my rear calipers today. As suspected, the pliers I bought worked like a charm. It took me ~30 minutes to reassemble a caliper. This is how I rigged it up to make it work:

http://i186.photobucket.com/albums/x126/insanekch/KA24DET%20BUILD/20130915_150713_zpsf171bf5e.jpg (http://s186.photobucket.com/user/insanekch/media/KA24DET%20BUILD/20130915_150713_zpsf171bf5e.jpg.html)
http://i186.photobucket.com/albums/x126/insanekch/KA24DET%20BUILD/20130915_150700_zps3cd2482b.jpg (http://s186.photobucket.com/user/insanekch/media/KA24DET%20BUILD/20130915_150700_zps3cd2482b.jpg.html)

89gold240
02-18-2014, 06:44 PM
Thanks for that kamilitaryman. Ive been swearing away trying to get #22 snap ring back in while using a vice to compress and its not working. C clamp looks like it might do the trick.

To anyone thinking about rebuilding your rear stock calipers. DO IT, just don't take the bottom snap ring out(#22). really other then cleaning it out there is nothing inside that deep to replace. Rebuilding the rest of the caliper is a joke.

stimracer
07-26-2014, 04:28 AM
I'm struggling with that same snap ring as well. The metal spring holder peice keeps bending when I try to compress it down. Just have to work the c-clamp slowly one turn at a time I guess.