CST hyper 1 zero the same as MB?

[yokotas13]

No
for one, last, and for all
they are not the same
MB weighs 27 something lbs.


CST weighs around 21 lbs
18x9.5
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3198/2444588903_416df9f512.jpg

SO, for you guys that keep spreading hte fake shit about CST being MB, its not.

have a good day

[95KA-Turbo]

Good to know, but I think I'd rather spend ~520 bucks on a full set of wheels that look exactly the same as the ~1100 set of wheels. I know others will disagree, haha.

[Ian]

Grant you're full of shit...I have a set of the MB's and I'm looking right at them


they're not 27 lbs


don't make me take it to a scale

[DOOK]

I thought MB were the same as A tech... I didn't know CST was associated with either of those

[rps13drift]

Grant you're full of shit...I have a set of the MB's and I'm looking right at them


they're not 27 lbs


don't make me take it to a scale

Please do Ian! I am curious to see how much the mb's do infact weigh.

[ROIDMONKEY]

Good to know, but I think I'd rather spend ~520 bucks on a full set of wheels that look exactly the same as the ~1100 set of wheels. I know others will disagree, haha.
no no no no :hammer:

[ROIDMONKEY]

Grant you're full of shit...I have a set of the MB's and I'm looking right at them


they're not 27 lbs


don't make me take it to a scale
prove it :), thats the only way u can shut up hes mouth

[sultan]

the shipping weight on a pair of 17x9.5 mb's is 55lbs according to the box from discount tire i have. i dunno how much the cardboard itself weighs but i only have a bathroom scale so i'm not going to take one out and weigh it.

[LB.Motoring]

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[smelly240]

mb buys wheels from other people and put their centercaps on em


and the mb's arent 27lbs

[CKAMC]

if we go based on discounts shipping weight for just two as mentioned earlier of 55lbs....

27.5... and how much weight does a cardboard box add on? 1lbs?

still right around the 26~27lbs mark

Ian, take picture the picture of how much they weigh... I wont be suprised if something made in china is really that heavy.

[smelly240]

the boxes wheels come in are like 3-4 lbs each... there are obviously 2 of them - this isnt including any packing material

ill be very suprised if they're more than 23lbs each - i thought they felt just slightly heavier than a FN

[ayuaddict]

we all know that MB motoring has a connection with A-tech/Manaray, they sell rebadged versions of the wheels.

blah blah.

CST wheels are actually made by the same company that makes A-tech/Manaray wheels.

blah blah.

the possibility of MB motoring going out of their way to make knockoff molds and what not of the CSTs is highly unlikely considering they could just call up their homies at a-tech and simply tell them they want to sell CST wheels in America under the MB motoring name, which is probably what happened.

blah blah.

oh well i love my MB wheels regardless.

[DOOK]

no way the cardboard box weights 4-5 pounds

[yokotas13]

weigh the shit

everyone is telling me MBs are like 27 lbs for an 18.

im not gonna sell em anyways, they are discontinued. so this isnt for that fact. i just hate rumours

[azndoc]

my 18 TEs weight in at 19 pounds.

Wait is that off topic?

Oh well.

[yokotas13]

really? i thought theyd be lighter than thatt

like 17 range

[a_ahmed]

LOL I just had a similar thread about MB weapons and competitions in 17x9+17 sizes. Apparently the Weapons are 21lbs and the competitions are 19.8lbs.

Yeah it says a-tech on the wheels (still didnt get mine... yet... but waiting, i saw the pics though).

The CST thing.. no clue... but a-tech definetely

[yokotas13]

ill check on wednesday what is ont eh inside of hte wheel.

its ona lift right now torn apart

[bigOdom1]

my 18 57s pro's are not that light, but i like them better than everything discussed in this thread except jacks TE's

[yokotas13]

ium still waiting on the weights with pictures of the MBs to disprove it...

[sultan]

bathroom scale says 17x9.5 without the box weighs 21lbs.

[yokotas13]

so the 17 weighs the same as an 18?

funny.

[CKAMC]

anyone know the General weight difference between 17's and 18's?

+3~4lbs?

[slideways2004]

i work at discount tire and the weight they have listed is all wrong on most wheels. the weight is listed as the same for these wheels and some 17x10 chrome wheels for trucks

[kognition]

Go to a track day sometime.... see how far the $500 wheels get you compared to the real deal. Unsprung weight is one of the first things to reduce on a performance car. :bigok:

Good to know, but I think I'd rather spend ~520 bucks on a full set of wheels that look exactly the same as the ~1100 set of wheels. I know others will disagree, haha.

[yokotas13]

i work at discount tire and the weight they have listed is all wrong on most wheels. the weight is listed as the same for these wheels and some 17x10 chrome wheels for trucks
good
go fucking weigh one then

[yokotas13]

Go to a track day sometime.... see how far the $500 wheels get you compared to the real deal. Unsprung weight is one of the first things to reduce on a performance car. :bigok:
which is why im going to 17" RPF1 and better tires :)

no more feddys anymore. Re01r on the front ftmfw

[Ian]

I haven't had time to take it to a scale but don't worry, i'll make it to one. Anybody have a preference of what kind of scale I put it on?



And Kognition. I've been running MB's for a long time doing various things w/ them...they've always held up fine for me on the track, on the street, both doing grip and drift. I've had them on the car while getting a foot of air on the bridge straight on the Shennandoah Circuit at Summit Point Raceway in West Virginia...I've gone off track with them hard at VIR a few times going over curbing...only once has one broke, and that was a broad sided impact over a curb.

[articdragon192]

anyone know the General weight difference between 17's and 18's?

+3~4lbs?

Around there. I know the difference between 18s and 19s are like 2lbs. BTW, 55lbs is the usual shipping weight used. I know we use the same shipping weight when shipping out two wheels regardless of wheel sizes.

[drift freaq]

shipping weights are not always based on weight alone but box size as well. Therefor the shipping weight may not be the actual weight.
Two things need to happen here
1. Someone needs to check out the backside of CST's to see if they are stamped A-Tach.
2. Someone needs to accurately weigh the MB's.

[fliprayzin240sx]

And who cares? Its CST...stop making sound like its some name brand shit thats worth anything...

[!Zar!]

They weight roughly 20-23lbs iirc. Depending on sizes of course.

Difference between CST and MB are the MB wheels don't concave. Mb achieves lower the offset with different backspacing.

CST concaves the face with lower offsets.

[drift freaq]

And who cares? Its CST...stop making sound like its some name brand shit thats worth anything...

very good point Ray. Only reason I posted what I did was to stop these guys from bickering about it.

[ayuaddict]

They weight roughly 20-23lbs iirc. Depending on sizes of course.

Difference between CST and MB are the MB wheels don't concave. Mb achieves lower the offset with different backspacing.

CST concaves the face with lower offsets.

i this is true for the weapons. but im not too sure about the "battles".

there are 17x9.5 +15 on my car which should be the most concaved based on size.

http://i22.photobucket.com/albums/b342/ayuaddict/IMG_5158.jpg

or perhaps you mean that the 17x9 +30s and the 17x9.5 +15s have the same degree of concave and that the "real" CSTs would have a deeper concave in the 17x9.5+15 size?

[yokotas13]

the +23 and +15 have the same concave on the Cst.

[yokotas13]

And who cares? Its CST...stop making sound like its some name brand shit thats worth anything...
\

becuase i keep it real.
well kinda

i just get annoyed with everyone saying CST is MB. its liek saying ROta whatever is a mugen wheel
or sportmax is a wat or some shit

[95KA-Turbo]

Go to a track day sometime.... see how far the $500 wheels get you compared to the real deal. Unsprung weight is one of the first things to reduce on a performance car. :bigok:

Well, the 500 dollar wheels would get me two full sets compared to one. And I have regamasters so I wouldn't have to worry about it anyway.

[smelly240]

http://i22.photobucket.com/albums/b342/ayuaddict/IMG_5158.jpg


that looks the same as the concave on the cst's in pictures

we all know cst isnt mb - mb doesnt actually make any of its own wheels - they're just rebadged

[water]

becuase i keep it real.
well kinda

i just get annoyed with everyone saying CST is MB. its liek saying ROta whatever is a mugen wheel
or sportmax is a wat or some shit

No its not b/c CST is NOT on the same lines as Mugen...or even close. They are cheap cast wheels like other cheap cast wheels. Had a set of D-specs I got in Japan about a year ago...anything but impressive. Cheap, yeah. JUST like MB's.

[yokotas13]

who cares

its still not the same wheel...

[water]

I don't. Its like arguing Megans vs Ksport and whether or not they're made in the same facilities. They're both cheap, below-par alternatives that get the job done. /story

[yokotas13]

no
ksport isnt even worth the 200 bucks i got them for to test them out

so...if you dont care to not be a dousche, dont post in the thread that shouldnt matter to you right?

[water]

I don't care which is which or whether or not they're the same. Neither is something to brag about. Ksport and Megan is a much better comparison than Mugen and Rota lol. You want to call me a douche b/c I see it and you don't, fine. Other people see it too but you're the only one getting fired up and annoyed over this.

[kognition]

I hear you, an extra set is an extra set. I should talk, because i have been running the same Gram Lite 57's for 18 months now on the track car. I just had them powdercoated blue to freshen them up, they were white and getting a little funky. But i spend about 3 grand a year on slicks, which are more important to me than the wheels right now. These R 6's are brand new, so i keep them wrapped between events.
http://www.kognitiondesign.com/hoosies.jpg

Well, the 500 dollar wheels would get me two full sets compared to one. And I have regamasters so I wouldn't have to worry about it anyway.

[Sonic Motor]

im tempted to buy a set of MB battles just to find out how much they really weight.

But I really dont wanna rock taht +23 offset :(

calling discount tire right now....get back to yall in a bit.

[Sonic Motor]

ok, so the package weight is 29 lbs.

So its about 26~ for the 18x9.5 +23

Thats what they said. I decided not to buy it after all. Hahah

[Ian]

How many times are people going to call Discount Tire and ask how much they weigh and use the packaging weight to estimate the wheel weight?



1. They have no idea what the actual wheel weight is

2. The packaging weights are a generalized weight that they use because they stock literally thousands of types of wheels...They just have generic weights based on size.

[Sonic Motor]

u r right.

Someone should do what grant did.

Put that shit on a scale and take a pic.

[CKAMC]

I guess the argument now is cheap wheels vs more expensive wheels.....

minus jack's wheel collection and those eneki rpf whatever wheels

and please don't mention fn's anymore... I don't think anyone wants to remember them

[LB.Motoring]

Its pretty obvious,


Look on the back pad, the damn Lettering that shows MB weights fucking 4 pounds,

this is the difference between the CST's and MB's........................

[McRussellPants]

You guys are so fucking dumb

Actuall wheel weight to Discount Tire shipping weight?

get fucking serious.

Comparing CST to MB is like comparing Rota to Sport Max.

it doesn't fucking matter they're both the same shitty china wheel.

shut the fuck up, all you cats that bought CSTs got had. Of Course Yokota is gonna shit his face trying to convice you CSTs are better because hes trying to fucking sell them to you.

god how do you tards even get jobs.

afk to go buy a pile of battles to put CST stickers on.

[Sonic Motor]

YokotaS13 is just trying to pursue the fact.

Those guys at Discount tires probably do weight their wheels. Why would they waste money on extra shipping weight.

McRussellPants,
You need to relax. The world is not coming to an end because of this thread.

[whiterps13]

Actually, it is.

CST=Y2K

Better get to the bunker with your stock-piled supplies.

[Ian]

YokotaS13 is just trying to pursue the fact.

Those guys at Discount tires probably do weight their wheels. Why would they waste money on extra shipping weight.

McRussellPants,
You need to relax. The world is not coming to an end because of this thread.


Shipping savings would add up to a nominal amount of money...probalby sub $1000/year in shipping loss


Multiply $9/hr+ (whatever DTD pays employees) by the amount of time it takes for a guy to unpack, weigh, record and repack each wheel in the warehouse and you'll get an amount of money WAY more than that loss.

[Anto]

JESUS CHRIST

someone weigh one already

[babowc]

^ x1.

Why the bickering? Noone here has a 18x9.5 +whatever being disccused at hand???

[SoSideways]

Any difference in the +15 or +23 version of the 18x9.5?

Cause I want to buy the +15 in 18x9.5, but can't, cause Discount Tire is gay and doesn't have it on their site. Who do I talk to to get some?

[Sonic Motor]

talk to YokataS13 to get some CST ones.

[SoSideways]

I don't want the CST ones man...

I want the MBs, cause they're cheap. Cheap enough that if I blow them up I won't care about them, and won't take long to replace.

Somebody said that they worked for Discount Tire Direct and has the code for the 18x9.5 +15 before... haven't had time to find out who it is yet with a search.

[A Spec Products]

Around there. I know the difference between 18s and 19s are like 2lbs. BTW, 55lbs is the usual shipping weight used. I know we use the same shipping weight when shipping out two wheels regardless of wheel sizes.

Yep

The difference between 17 and 18 isn't a big deal, 18 vs 19, and so on

Wheel weight is pretty insignificant in the grand scheme though

Since other factors like quality, budget, fitment all come before weight

If money's no object, then yeah I guess weight matters

But if you got $500 to budget, not much room to complain that the wheels you are choosing are heavy

(I'm speaking generally not directing at anyone)

We are driving 240's, not F1 supercars

[yokotas13]

You guys are so fucking dumb

Actuall wheel weight to Discount Tire shipping weight?

get fucking serious.

Comparing CST to MB is like comparing Rota to Sport Max.

it doesn't fucking matter they're both the same shitty china wheel.

shut the fuck up, all you cats that bought CSTs got had. Of Course Yokota is gonna shit his face trying to convice you CSTs are better because hes trying to fucking sell them to you.

god how do you tards even get jobs.

afk to go buy a pile of battles to put CST stickers on.
ok fucktard

if you would have read earlier in the thread, im not selling CSTs anymore ...for like months, so it has nothing to do with it.

It stemmed from someone wanting to know the weight from my for sale add for my PERSONAL wheels so i can get RPF1s, so i actually took the wheel off
dismounted the tire, and weighed it so i could show, since noone has done it. In the process, someone posted in my for sale thread they weight liek 27 or 28 lbs. SO based on that, they arent the same.

i am going to chiba this weekend to a guy that used to be a CST distributor. he should have a +15 wheel sitting arodn that i can weigh.

[lost_generation]

who cares about 3lbs a wheel?...seriously i wouldnt give a shit...mb's are half the price of cts's and they can be shipped right away

either way... its a badass rim

[Sonic Motor]

I don't want the CST ones man...

I want the MBs, cause they're cheap. Cheap enough that if I blow them up I won't care about them, and won't take long to replace.

Somebody said that they worked for Discount Tire Direct and has the code for the 18x9.5 +15 before... haven't had time to find out who it is yet with a search.


oh yeah??? i want some too if you find out. Lets do a group buy :)

[yokotas13]

who cares about 3lbs a wheel?...seriously i wouldnt give a shit...mb's are half the price of cts's and they can be shipped right away

either way... its a badass rim

either way MB is the only option for you guys now :)
CST is discontinued so it doesnt really matter, its just the principle

[Ian]

MB usually sells discontinued wheels when they copy them as far as I know

[slideways2004]

b/c of this thread. i'll go buy wheels from work. i work for dtc. i just can't decide if if i want bronze or gunmetal. someone convince me on a color. they will be going on a white car. i'm leaning more towards bronze

[yokotas13]

these are like the first knockoff shits ive ever bought

i normally stick with work, weds, or leon hardiritt anyways

[ayuaddict]

you can get the 18x9.5 +15 from discount tire or america's tire company.

just call them about it.

friend just bought a set.

[Sonic Motor]

you can get the 18x9.5 +15 from discount tire or america's tire company.

just call them about it.

friend just bought a set.

you mean the local stores??

[ayuaddict]

yea, they just don't list them on the site for whatever reason.

[yokotas13]

oh yeha
the CST doesnt have a company stamped anywhere ont hem
just offsets and sizes

[fliprayzin240sx]

these are like the first knockoff shits ive ever bought

i normally stick with work, weds, or leon hardiritt anyways

And you were trying to pawn that shit to me like its the new hot shit...:rant:

[idriveattz32]

It stemmed from someone wanting to know the weight from my for sale add for my PERSONAL wheels so i can get RPF1s, so i actually took the wheel off
dismounted the tire, and weighed it so i could show, since noone has done it. In the process, someone posted in my for sale thread they weight liek 27 or 28 lbs. SO based on that, they arent the same.

This is all my fault guys sorry, I was the one who asked and when he posted the weight of 21lbs I mentioned the 27lb rate that i was told from Discount Tire.

based on what the guy said about Discount using a generic wheel weight for some wheels I can see what he is saying as I have called them numerous times about certain wheels and i found the number listed on certain wheels to be curiously similar.

For instance, if I recall correctly I inquired about the Tenzo-R wheels that have been getting some light lately and they quoted all of the 18" wheels to weight 23lbs, thats for 5-spoke Work copy, the DC-6 and the Type-M. All three available in similar size but with much different spoke designs and they all happen to weight 23lbs?

I was skeptical, but thats all I have to go from. it appears that at least tirerack list the true wheel weights if available to them.

I know someone who just got the MB's but his came mounted with tires from Discount and I doubt he'll want to dismount them just for zilvia's sake.

[AzNCmB]

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v695/azncmb/Wheels/cst%20zero1/DSC01645.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v695/azncmb/Wheels/cst%20zero1/DSC01644.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v695/azncmb/Wheels/cst%20zero1/DSC01643.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v695/azncmb/Wheels/cst%20zero1/DSC01642.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v695/azncmb/Wheels/cst%20zero1/DSC01632.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v695/azncmb/Wheels/cst%20zero1/DSC01631.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v695/azncmb/Wheels/cst%20zero1/DSC01629.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v695/azncmb/Wheels/cst%20zero1/DSC01628.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v695/azncmb/Wheels/cst%20zero1/DSC01630.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v695/azncmb/Wheels/cst%20zero1/DSC01651.jpg
what a coincidence, i just got a set from shundi...
cst 18x9.5 +15,
reason- wanted some nice wheels, something different from vskfs...
something where i can find cheap knock off replacements, and matching slut track wheels aka mb battles...

on these cst's, it says made in tawain,...just like grant said, no stickers, just wheel size/offset engraved int he hub....

test fitted them on the daily...
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v695/azncmb/Wheels/cst%20zero1/DSC01650.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v695/azncmb/Wheels/DSC01171.jpg
which one?
ps, guy that works at dtd, u got pm...

[drift freaq]

I will honestly say if the CST's say made in Taiwan then they are most likely coming out of the same factory that makes MB's aka A-Tach, because A-Tack is a Taiwanese company.
See guys what most of you are probably aware but your ignoring in this discussion is the fact that most wheel factories make wheels for multiple brands.
Rota does not just manufacture Rota, they make several other well known brands.
Thai Wheel Corp, makes Lenso's,Tenzo's and who knows what else.

Japan Wheel Corp makes, Enkies,SSR,Panasport,Riken,ETC....

Rays/Volk is a pretty exclusive company though if it turned up they were making Works for Work I would not be surprised.
Now end this arguement. CST are Taiwanese wheels! Are they knock offs more or less yes.


P.S. Grant it looks like your losing the arguement here. CST's are knock offs and they are made in Taiwan so it looks like they are probably made by the parent company of MB.

[LB.Motoring]

becuase i keep it real.
well kinda

i just get annoyed with everyone saying CST is MB. its liek saying ROta whatever is a mugen wheel
or sportmax is a wat or some shit

So your saying, shit isnt shit?


or shit is shit.

[water]

He's saying CST is acceptable shit while MB is unacceptable shit.

[SoSideways]

He's saying CST is acceptable shit while MB is unacceptable shit.

Which is still dumb lol

Because they're from the same Taiwanese factory.

[AzNCmB]

i thought cst zero1's were knock offs of the advan model T7's....

http://www.rodmillenstore.com/images/wheels/advan/T7.jpg advan

https://www.rhdjapan.com/images/product/50076/Image/Normal/Image1.jpg cst zero1
correct me if im wrong...
if right, i just wanted to point that out...

oh well, i dont care...

[water]

No, not a t7 knock-off. I could be wrong but there's no concave t7's.

[SoSideways]

No, not a t7 knock-off. I could be wrong but there's no concave t7's.

You are wrong then.

Because someone on here sold a set of real Advan T7s, and his pics of the wheels definitely had concave faces on them.

[AzNCmB]

i agree with sosideways...

i think the wide, low offset aggressive size model T7's has concaveness

[water]

You are wrong then.

Because someone on here sold a set of real Advan T7s, and his pics of the wheels definitely had concave faces on them.

You talking about drift into a curb's old wheels? I saw no concaveness that i could remember and I paid pretty close attn since i wanted to buy them but had already won a set of equips off ebay.

[water]

Found his pics...doesn't seem the same as cst's concavity

http://img263.imageshack.us/img263/4316/jan022008015gj8.jpg
http://img113.imageshack.us/img113/5508/dsc00237hb5.jpg
http://img116.imageshack.us/img116/3644/jan022008013de4.jpg

[articdragon192]

They aren't close in concavity, but they are knock offs. They are just slightly modified.

[yokotas13]

haha it doesnt matter. i sold them anyways
dont care anymore
back to real wheels

[drftwerks]

these shits cant touch advans

[yokotas13]

duh lololololol

[redss]

Don't mean to revive an old thread..

Does anyone know if the Battle 17x9 +30 and 17x9.5 +15 have the same concavity?

Also, What about the 18x9.5 +15 and 18x9.5 +23 of the same wheel?

[95KA-Turbo]

All 9.5s have the same concave, the +15 and +23 are the same.

9s will be different, probably reallllllly ugly.

[McRussellPants]

They aren't close in concavity, but they are knock offs. They are just slightly modified.

I have a set of MB Battles/CST Hyper 01s in my garage. I can't remember which because I threw the center caps away. they're the exact same. EXACT same as all the MB Battles/CST Hyper 01s Ive seen in the same size.

[redss]

I have a set of MB Battles/CST Hyper 01s in my garage. I can't remember which because I threw the center caps away. they're the exact same. EXACT same as all the MB Battles/CST Hyper 01s Ive seen in the same size.


These may be my next set of wheels for my car.

So they all have the same Concavity regardless of size and offsets?

I went by discount tires but they won't ship any of them to the store just for a visual confirmation before purchase.

[SoSideways]

^ Re-read the post on the top of this page please.

And if you don't trust people's advice on here, why ask questions in the first place?

[Johny5]

the real point...who fucking cares? 18x9.5? get serious, that might work as a FRONT.

[ayuaddict]

9.5j is pretty ideal for fronts.

yeaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa

[yokotas13]

the real point...who fucking cares? 18x9.5? get serious, that might work as a FRONT.
i cant run a 10 in the back
hits the shock unless i have like a +30 and no camber

[blitzkrgCT9A]

Slight off topic.. you guys can always get the new ADVAN F-7s. Its FORGED ;)

http://www.yokohamatire.jp/yrc/japan/wheel/brand/avs_modelF7/image/wheel_01.jpg

[yokotas13]

could care less if a wheel is forged

[Johny5]

amen.

messagelengthforgedmonoblock

[CKAMC]

especially when many of us here bitch about price

[redss]

All 9.5s have the same concave, the +15 and +23 are the same.

9s will be different, probably reallllllly ugly.


So, what's really ugly?

Flat?

[yokotas13]

amen.

messagelengthforgedmonoblock
lol


i mean, if it will mean i sell you the 3,000 volks over the 2400 volks, yeah ill tlel you they are forged

but those people normally dont care either, they just want expensive wheels

[maverickmotorsports]

Just in case anyone cares anymore.

MB Battles/CST 18x9.5 +15

48676 for bronze
48677 for metallic silver

Those are the product codes from DTC.

[95KA-Turbo]

So, what's really ugly?

Flat?

Yes, these wheels without concave would just this:

http://www.bigwheels.net/wheels/motegi/mr7.jpg


horrible.

[atom]

The OG advan model 7's were never concave. Are they horrible too?

[redss]

Just in case anyone cares anymore.

MB Battles/CST 18x9.5 +15

48676 for bronze
48677 for metallic silver

Those are the product codes from DTC.

I talked to discount tire down here. They seem to think that the 17x9.5 +15 and 18x9.5 +15 are both on back order.

Not sure if it means they have sold out and not possible to get anymore.

[yokotas13]

cst are in stock in chrome :)

[yokotas13]

The OG advan model 7's were never concave. Are they horrible too?
yep
concave is why they are kinda cool

only reason

[redss]

I did some more searching and found the following information...

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They only come in 5 Lug and the smallest size you can get is 17X9J. They come in gun metal, bronze, and polished. Don't even consider the gun metal because it looks like ass in comparison to the other two.

If you go 17 get the 9.5J +15s and if 18 get the 18X9.5J +15. If you get one of the higher offsets they aren't as ''deep'' and in turn only look half as good. The biggest size you can get is 9.5J in either 17/18 but after buying 10 sets off of the company that makes them (they're going to be standard on all our cars now) it might be possible to special order 10J+ for the 18s.
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[redss]

judging by what this guy say, they all have a deep concave look but the higher offset just have less concave than the lower offset.

like he also said, they only look 1/2 as good....

[yokotas13]

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They only come in 5 Lug and the smallest size you can get is 17X9J. They come in gun metal, bronze, and polished. Don't even consider the gun metal because it looks like ass in comparison to the other two.

If you go 17 get the 9.5J +15s and if 18 get the 18X9.5J +15. If you get one of the higher offsets they aren't as ''deep'' and in turn only look half as good. The biggest size you can get is 9.5J in either 17/18 but after buying 10 sets off of the company that makes them (they're going to be standard on all our cars now) it might be possible to special order 10J+ for the 18s.
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rick is a dumbfuck
hes fucked me more than once

CST will not make a 10j in these wheels
there isnt a demand for it from people that would buy it

[overb0ost]

I'm pretty sure MB Battles in 17x9.5 +15 are discontinued.

I have called numerous times and they say they do not manufacture them anymore.

I will call tomorrow about the 18x9.5 +15, I haven't heard about those.

[derek_s13]

I'm pretty sure MB Battles in 17x9.5 +15 are discontinued.

I have called numerous times and they say they do not manufacture them anymore.

I will call tomorrow about the 18x9.5 +15, I haven't heard about those.

i'd like to hear what you find out concerning this.

i'm poor and like cheap shit.

[CKAMC]

Do not go by what Rick(aka Ghost Dancer) has said'

after many issues wit members of this forum he left with a "bad taste in mouth" of many members. I would not consider his "insides" as legit" information even as he posted as a double screen name of DSPro which he also left inactive after being discovered as joining under another screen nanme

[irax]

this thread made me lol

after 2 pages people stopped demanding some one weigh some got damn wheels

the absences of evidence is not the evidence of absence

will some one weigh some the damn wheels already?
so some one can buy the lighter one and put a heavy fucking tire on it and over inflate it anyways! seriously?

[SoSideways]

Provided you can still get them. Seems like the reason why CST isn't selling it anymore is also the reason why you don't see them listed on DTD's website anymore: The manufacturer of these wheels seem to have stopped making these wheels altogether.

Hope that's not the case, but if it is, then damn, I missed out :(

[redss]

man.... I'm tired of this...

I am just going to order a 17x9 +30 and a 18x9.5 +23. Then I am going to take a lot of picture and put those damn things on a digital scale.

Why? cuz I can and I am tired of finding opinions instead of fact... Opinions are like a$$h0les, everyone has one..

[OptionZero]

why are you ordering shitty sizes...

[ayuaddict]

17x9.5 +15 and 18x9.5 +15 are both available although they are not listed.

[slow_sr20]

talked to discout tire yesterday........17x9.5 +15 are not discontinued, but out of stock currently.

[redss]

why are you ordering shitty sizes...

To see if they are concave.

I know it is rediculous but Discount tire will not ship them to the store without payment.

[redss]

talked to discout tire yesterday........17x9.5 +15 are not discontinued, but out of stock currently.

I will ask them again today but they told me they were discontinued from MB.

[redss]

Went to a different Discount tire today.

The guy was coo, he just charged me shipping for the 17x9+30 and 18x9.5+23, and he will ship them back if they are not "concave" enough for me.

[hitman]

the real point...who fucking cares? 18x9.5? get serious, that might work as a FRONT.

wasnt too long ago you were running that cr kai rear:) lol:mrmeph::angel::2f2f::love:

[95KA-Turbo]

Went to a different Discount tire today.

The guy was coo, he just charged me shipping for the 17x9+30 and 18x9.5+23, and he will ship them back if they are not "concave" enough for me.

They are not going to be concave at all.

It is like buying FNs in 17X9 or 17X10, it just wont happen.

[redss]

They are not going to be concave at all.

It is like buying FNs in 17X9 or 17X10, it just wont happen.


I am not out of any money except for shipping. At least this Discount tire will do that for me. The last one won't unless I buy the wheels on the spot.

Will take pictures so this will clear up all the mis-information.

[240love]

i talked to the one here and they told me that they are just on back order for about 4-6 weeks...sucks

[INeedNewTires]

why hasnt someone contacted the manufacturer to find out the exact wheel specs? and post office scales are the most accessable and precise for measuring this kind of stuff. my .02

[turbo2nr]

i called 2 day ago,
17x9.5 - discontinued
18x9.5 - discontinued

reason was that they got a container form mb and WILL NOT have them again.

well at least that what they told me...

[slideways2004]

I'm pretty sure MB Battles in 17x9.5 +15 are discontinued.

I have called numerous times and they say they do not manufacture them anymore.

I will call tomorrow about the 18x9.5 +15, I haven't heard about those.

either they are discontinued like the cst's. or there is a last shipment on a container somewhere. i work for dtc and this what mb motoring said to me. i talked their manager directly

[yokotas13]

cst isnt discontinued

they wil be avaliable next month again

[slideways2004]

cst isnt discontinued

they wil be avaliable next month again

cool. then the mb wheels guy was right about the battles

[yokotas13]

they stopped production for a while to amke the Exsol wheels

that why the CSTs are not avaliable anywhere right now

[drftwerks]

same sizes grant?

[idriveattz32]

due to the seeming popularity of these wheels do you think you'll do another group buy?

I know you got shit last time because of the whole MB-wrap but if you have these in the right sizes and the MB's are still out of stock I would think they would sell?

I only ask because my friend wouldnt mind a set, but it would be awesome if they had a black set.

[yokotas13]

if someone wants them i can get them

but im not doing a group buy

Exsols in 17x9.5 +!5 and 18x9 +30 i believe are the lowest offsets
im debating running them personally among a fe wother sets of wheels.

[moonshinekouki]

so thats waht my rims are acallled

[Johny5]

hey grant how heavy are exsols? shits are clean as fuck

[Slidin240Wayz]

i called 2 day ago,
17x9.5 - discontinued
18x9.5 - discontinued

reason was that they got a container form mb and WILL NOT have them again.

well at least that what they told me...

Discount Tire = MB

Went to a different Discount tire today.

The guy was coo, he just charged me shipping for the 17x9+30 and 18x9.5+23, and he will ship them back if they are not "concave" enough for me.

The 9+30 have a good enough face on it for the price.

They are not FLAT.

I would suggest a 15mm spacer though.

Carlos

[yokotas13]

hey grant how heavy are exsols? shits are clean as fuck
no clue
id imagine 4 or 5lbs heavier

[aNskY]

They are not going to be concave at all.

It is like buying FNs in 17X9 or 17X10, it just wont happen.

17x10 fn's are concave





:coolugh:

[slow_sr20]

get to a discount tire now, they had about 200 of gunmetal and 200 bronze 17x9.5 +15 in stock. mine should be here friday:jerkit:

[McRussellPants]

Go to a track day sometime.... see how far the $500 wheels get you compared to the real deal. Unsprung weight is one of the first things to reduce on a performance car. :bigok:

lol.

*looks at pics of gramlights*

do as I say not as I do ehhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh???????

[AzNCmB]

get to a discount tire now, they had about 200 of gunmetal and 200 bronze 17x9.5 +15 in stock. mine should be here friday:jerkit:

fucking awesome news man!
i gotta cop some before they sell out...


man, they need one of those $100 off any 4 wheel/tire special promotions...
fathers day is coming...

[smelly240]

i have a option mag or something comparing laptimes for a 350z with some lightweight vs rigid heavier wheels - and due to the flexing the heavier wheel had better laptimes - and they showed a lot of the data from their tests. I will try and find the magazine to scan it - it was just this past winter i believe.

they also showed how much the tire actually rotated on the wheel -

[AzNCmB]

the cst/mb battles are wayy lighter than my old $$ work vs kf's....

oops..edited

[smelly240]

vskf's are cast.


i'm like 50% sure

[articdragon192]

i have a option mag or something comparing laptimes for a 350z with some lightweight vs rigid heavier wheels - and due to the flexing the heavier wheel had better laptimes - and they showed a lot of the data from their tests. I will try and find the magazine to scan it - it was just this past winter i believe.

they also showed how much the tire actually rotated on the wheel -

I found it. Hold on...
http://og-made.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/01/option1.jpg
http://og-made.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/01/option2.jpg
http://og-made.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/01/option3.jpg
http://og-made.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/01/option4.jpg
http://og-made.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/01/option5.jpg

And link to more info on the og-made blog.
http://og-made.com/archives/category/ame-technology/

[McRussellPants]

i have a option mag or something comparing laptimes for a 350z with some lightweight vs rigid heavier wheels - and due to the flexing the heavier wheel had better laptimes - and they showed a lot of the data from their tests. I will try and find the magazine to scan it - it was just this past winter i believe.

they also showed how much the tire actually rotated on the wheel -

Rofl, thats so fucking retarded I hate car magazines. Sport Compact Car just tested Motons slower than Tein Flex. its totally not possible just to prove something totally bogue.

the lap times were probably .2 better or some other conditional bullshit. with two different cars and drivers.

VSKFs are the heaviest wheel you'll pay the most for. i hate them.

you guys need to stop making up crappy justifications for buying cheap parts. they're cheap, they look good, you can put a big tire on them. thats all that matters. its so ridiculous how people have to go on ultra quest to make themselves feel like their 150$ wheel is better than 500$ wheel.

[95KA-Turbo]

vskf's are cast.


i'm like 50% sure

KFs and XX are cast. You can double check this with Work Wheel's website. I am 100% sure of this.

[articdragon192]

I believe the point of the Option article was to show how a better balanced wheel would outperform a super lightened version of itself.

[KwKouki]

its so ridiculous how people have to go on ultra quest to make themselves feel like their 150$ wheel is better than 500$ wheel.

almost just as rediculous as people getting flamed for owning wheels that arent $500 a piece.

Its a wheel, it holds a tire, that in turn holds air, that makes your car go places. Bring your works, your volks, your SSRs, your super mad tyte JDM wheels to my autoX event and ill hand you your ass on my Konigs. This shit makes me lol

[yokotas13]

I believe the point of the Option article was to show how a better balanced wheel would outperform a super lightened version of itself.
pretty much

plus the lighter wheel had more tire slip.

as in the tire actually rotated on the wheel.

[McRussellPants]

so basically they took the same wheel.

milled it down more to take some weight out of it.

and then enkei made option do a test on it concluding that it flexes more.


SHOCKING RESULTS!

you guys need to pay attention to what people are feeding you.

jesus.

[yokotas13]

well every person obviously thinks lighter is better

it was merely showing going TOO far with lightweight wheels isnt good.

i mean, a light wheel is good, But at a point it gets stupid

[Kcheng]

For those who are wondering what the 17x9+30 looks like I would imagine it to look something similar to this
https://www.rhdjapan.com/images/product/30827/Image/Normal/Image4.jpg
This is a KAZAMA CST Hyper 4 17 x 9J +27 Bronze and can be seen from RHDjapan
http://www.rhdjapan.com/jdm/KAZAMA-CST-Hyper-4-17-x-9J-27-Bronze-30827#

[slow_sr20]

sorry to beat a dead hoss:mepoke: , but got my battles today, 17x9+30 look to be about as concave as the pic above. my rears 17x9.5 are definitely deeper than the +30:yum:. pics if you paypal me a bajillion dallars.......

[Kcheng]

sorry to beat a dead hoss:mepoke: , but got my battles today, 17x9+30 look to be about as concave as the pic above. my rears 17x9.5 are definitely deeper than the +30:yum:. pics if you paypal me a bajillion dallars.......

show a comparison pic please!

[3-240's-N-aMule]

almost just as rediculous as people getting flamed for owning wheels that arent $500 a piece.

Its a wheel, it holds a tire, that in turn holds air, that makes your car go places. Bring your works, your volks, your SSRs, your super mad tyte JDM wheels to my autoX event and ill hand you your ass on my Konigs. This shit makes me lol

Im not sure you get it. Usually when you pay that kinda price tag for a wheel it will generally be a wheel made for performance, ie stronger and lighter and quality or is just damned rare and hard to get (cept for 3k dubs and bling). Your konigs might add some flare to your car but i bet you it wont be the reason you won a autox because some other dude was on a set of 3k wheels.... Shit is stupid. My work equip 01's are bout the same weight as my stock wheels if not lighter and they are 18x11.5...
Think of this also... If we all thought like you, what would be the point of having a nice car... A chevy celebrity can get you from one place to another....

[EDacIouSX]

my gramlights 57s pro 18x10 weighs 30 pounds. er wait, this is probably 5 pages too late to share that info, oh well.

[SoSideways]

Sorry to bring this back from the dead, but it looks like MB Battles are getting discontinued or something, since DTD is selling them on "special pricing while supplies last", and the 18x9.5 +15 size is gone.

[idriveattz32]

they sell them on special when they are running low on inventory and wish to clear it out to make room for future orders. Im sure they will restock them again, it seems like they have easily sold out of them everytime they've restocked the popular sizes.

[smelly240]

I bought the last pair of 18's and they had only 3 sets of the 17x9.5 +15 left and i got one - so that left 2 sets im guessing???

the 17x9.5 are about 20 lbs on the longacres... if anyone was wondering.

[AzNCmB]

man,

i want some more 18s :(
i need to cop some more 17s before they're out

[KwKouki]

Im not sure you get it. Usually when you pay that kinda price tag for a wheel it will generally be a wheel made for performance, ie stronger and lighter and quality or is just damned rare and hard to get (cept for 3k dubs and bling). Your konigs might add some flare to your car but i bet you it wont be the reason you won a autox because some other dude was on a set of 3k wheels.... Shit is stupid. My work equip 01's are bout the same weight as my stock wheels if not lighter and they are 18x11.5...
Think of this also... If we all thought like you, what would be the point of having a nice car... A chevy celebrity can get you from one place to another....

that was kind of my point. Too many people dead set on the lightest set of wheels for a street car because they think it will make them faster.

I understand the whole "nice car" thing but for someone to bash someone and completely disreguard someones car due to wheel choice is a bit immature. Buy what you like and can afford. My "baller" wheels when I go 5 lug are the MB battles sitting in my shed. I could give a fuck if people dont like my wheel choice :) If they want a say in what I build they can buy it for me

[warumono]

got my 17x9.5 +15 in gunmetal! they are very concave. heres a pic of the mbs in 17x9.5 +15 in bronze
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3245/2609341939_1379330e1b_m.jpg

[yokotavia]

im still awaiting someone to weigh a 18x9.5 +23 Mb battle.

[TheRonTom31]

could someone possibly confirmed if both wheels in 18x9.5 =15 size have been discountinued.

All distributors are no longer carrying that size and i was told be discount tire there is no plan to order more.

also is there only one cst dealer states side? They do not even list them on thier website

[[HK]240sx]

For those wondering:

17x9.5 = 21lbs
18x9.5 = 22.7lbs

[yokotas13]

could someone possibly confirmed if both wheels in 18x9.5 =15 size have been discountinued.

All distributors are no longer carrying that size and i was told be discount tire there is no plan to order more.

also is there only one cst dealer states side? They do not even list them on thier website
im a CST dealer :)

and yes they are in stock. but more than MBs obviously

[slideways2004]

i spoke to a couple of employees at MB and according to them, they will not be getting any more of the 18's. the company who makes them is either not making them anymore or MB/dtc is not buying them anymore

it just isn't that profitable for discount. b/c they love selling shitty ass konig type wheels and 20"+ wheels to truck and suv owners. they will about 10-20 sets of wheels before they sell something in this size. not many people go this aggressive when buying wheels from dtc.

[SoSideways]

Well if they sold out of all the 18x9 +15s, just from this forum alone, are they on crack to make a decision that "it doesn't sell well"?

Come the fuck on.

If I had a bunch of wheels that I brought in, and within the first couple of months, all of them sold, I would consider that a success.

[turtl631]

Weights don't look too bad, seems on par with other light-ish cheapo cast wheels. I think 17x9 Weapons are in the 20.5 lb range?

[Steveohoes]

here's what they got left:
eBay Store: Search results for Discount Tire Direct Auctions. (http://search.stores.ebay.com/Discount-Tire-Direct_battle_W0QQfciZ15QQfclZ4QQfsnZDiscountQ20Ti reQ20DirectQQfsooZ1QQfsopZ1QQsaselZ8052644QQsofpZ0 )

[yokotavia]

so, is it true grant?
CST's are lighter? sorry, not reading the 6 pages of bullshit.

[smelly240]

they weigh the same...

[OBEEWON]

But Rota's are cooler. Stevie change your sig brosef.

[smelly240]

Stevies at work - i dont have anything to change it to.

[240trainee]

http://images.southparkstudios.com/media/images/602/602__image_09.jpg

[OBEEWON]

I love lamp.