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DUFFM4N
04-25-2008, 12:01 PM
....well if you live in socal area, and use the 10 and 210 carpool lanes often...get ready to shell out some dough!

taken from
http://www.myfoxla.com/myfox/pages/News/Detail?contentId=6391420&version=2&locale=EN-US&layoutCode=TSTY&pageId=3.2.1


LOS ANGELES -- In the future, commuters will have to pay to travel on what are now free carpool lanes on at least two Los Angeles freeways, the Metropolitan Transportation Authority Board decided today.

The MTA voted to accept $213.6 million in federal transportation funds, but the money comes with strings -- carpool lanes on the San Bernardino (10) and Foothill (210) freeways must be turned into toll lanes.

If funding can be found, carpool lanes on the Harbor (110) Freeway south of downtown would also become pay-to-drive lanes.

"This is one important tool that we can use to relieve the traffic and gridlock in this region," said Mayor Antonio Villaraigosa, who sits on the Metro Board.

The pilot program will affect the 10 Freeway between the Long Beach (710) and San Gabriel (605) freeways, and the 210 Freeway along the El Monte Busway, Metro officials said.

The cost of the tolls was not immediately determined, but it will likely vary, based on the time of day, with higher prices charged during rush-hour traffic.

"It makes a disincentive for solo driving, that's for sure," said Dave Sotero, Metro spokesman.

The federal funding had originally been intended for New York City, but the New York Legislature failed to approve a congestion pricing program.

"I can't think of an opportunity when we've had an opportunity to eat New York City's lunch," said Metro Director David Fleming.

Revenues generated by the tolls would be reinvested in the communities along the transit corridors from which they were collected, said Metro Director John Fasana.

"This is a great opportunity, not just to think out of the box, but to begin to try those new initiatives that have been tested, not just here, but around the world, and it worked," Villaraigosa said.

Comparable programs have been used in London, Singapore and Stockholm.

The decision to charge commuters to drive on certain freeway lanes comes as gas prices are at record levels and the MTA is seeking cutbacks to bus service, although the Metro board today rejected a proposal to eliminate or reduce service on 29 bus lines.

Metro is also seeking to ask voters in November to approve a half-cent increase in the county sales tax to raise an estimated $700 million annually for the transportation agency, which claims it is facing a projected $1 billion deficit over the next 10 years.

...pros? cons?

anyone else already have experience with toll roads care to give their opinion about how they like or dislike them?

i know the 91 has a toll road, but i dont really travel down that way much...so i cant say i have much experience dealing with that

s13poop
04-25-2008, 12:07 PM
fackkkkkkkkkkkkkkk

sidestreets it is :duh:

DOOK
04-25-2008, 12:08 PM
ehhh.... i hated the 10 when I lived in San Berdoo

Dutchmalmiss
04-25-2008, 12:09 PM
So what is currently being used to help facilitate traffic is now going to cause more traffic. A lot of carpoolers won't be willing to pay up to drive on a FREEway. Carpooling is supposed to SAVE you money, not spend more. Good thing I'm never on those freeways anyway haha.

mrmephistopheles
04-25-2008, 12:14 PM
what a dumbass idea.
The whole point of carpooling/carpool lanes is to relieve congestion and save people money.
By charging for those lanes, it's going to make people not want to use them and drive themselves, which means more congestion and more money spent (on gas instead of tolls).

Dutchmalmiss
04-25-2008, 12:15 PM
Hmm, it says MTA voted, but it hasn't passed yet.

SW20Racer
04-25-2008, 12:16 PM
Carpooling is supposed to SAVE you money, not spend more.

you silly, its "for the enviroment". enviromentalists dont care how much money you spend!

BustedS13
04-25-2008, 12:18 PM
hahahahaha

you silly, its "for the enviroment". enviromentalists dont care how much money you spend!

+1

Yuri
04-25-2008, 12:31 PM
Wow.
As if the 10 wasn't congested enough as it is.
That is a really dumb idea.

Maybe they figure since people were still buying hybrids after they were no longer giving out carpool lane passes, then people would still carpool even if they couldn't use the carpool lane unless they paid, since "it would be for the environment."

EvilRB
04-25-2008, 12:35 PM
well carpooling is also suppose to get cars off the road not just help people save money and time!
And it dose to a point I think.

So lets see.....hmmmmm...... toll roads= more money to drive (like gas isn't enough)
so with no car pool lanes people will start driving their own cars + more cars on the road,
with more cars they will pay to use the toll roads,
then those roads get all overcrowded and the whole thing just shuts down!

How the fuck is this a good idea!!!!!!

I hate LA sometimes.
I drive those freeways all the time and even with car pools the traffic is still a bitch!
but I know it will get worst if it turns into a toll road, not to mention the 10 and 210 is Asian driver central so that just makes it more worst!
(before people start to bitch I'm Asian too just stating the truth, LoL!)

I shake my head at the whole system, time for teleporters or at least the hover cars where are they at!!!!

DUFFM4N
04-25-2008, 01:10 PM
maybe another one of their bright ideas to help "boost the economy" ??

CrimsonRockett
04-25-2008, 01:13 PM
Phew. Im glad I only have to take one main street to get to work in downtown LA. Sucks because of all the fucking potholes and shit. I've learned to just drive around them. Hah.

s14_legend
04-25-2008, 01:15 PM
definitely some gay stuff...like the economy aint bad anough now theyre gonna put this on us...i guess if you have the money you can cruise by faster....but seriously who will actually pay for this....

eastcoastS14
04-25-2008, 01:38 PM
there are tolls all over MA...shit is gay

this did reduce traffic significantly in london tho although if im not mistaken they also have cameras that snap pics of your plates and then bill you for using certain roads at certain times of day....but cali is doing it totally ass backwards by doing it in the carpool lanes...carpool lanes should be exempt from tolls, meaning more ppl in fewer cars.....guess thats what you get when Arnold is your govenor lol


I keed I keed

illvialuver
04-25-2008, 06:20 PM
the best part of driving a carpool is when you can lock the doors and windows and fart.

i never really take the 210 and 10 when i am down there anyway, I will just stay out of the carpool lane.

most asshats in the carpool lane drive okay but its always the one the fucks it up for everyone by drive 55 and they feel justified cause there is more than one of them in the car. such retards.

Bobafreak
04-25-2008, 06:42 PM
Damn now i really need someone to carpool.

CSil80
04-25-2008, 08:35 PM
Personally I think it's stupid.

We have to give up OUR tax dollars, to pay for setting up the toll roads, and then pay our already taxed income on the tolls if we even want to use it.

The whole thing is stupid. Then again, so are most of the people running this country.

As for the 91 toll roads, they were made to be toll roads. Not taking existing lanes and charging for them like they want to do in this prop.

I hate people.

jibanez
04-25-2008, 10:25 PM
public transportation ftw!

Vision Garage
04-25-2008, 10:32 PM
Motorcycle FTMFW!!!

eli_eli
04-26-2008, 02:49 AM
i dont get this...what sort of excuse can they possibly make up to justify this...people who carpool, and dont want to or cannot afford to pay will no longer use them...and people who can afford it will drive on it...how does this make sense, if the point of building these carpool lanes was to help traffic flow...now i can see why they dont mind that its gonna take almost 3 yrs to extend and connect the carpool lane from LAX to the Getty on the 405...cause thats gonna cost a buck too pretty soon...

LB.Motoring
04-26-2008, 02:59 AM
Newish looking car,


Paper Plates from the Dealer FTW.

RiversideS13
04-26-2008, 03:24 AM
i think they are just try to drive people out of California.

I am guessing this is out it going to work. Carpool cars could drive it for free but solo driver would have to pay certain amount of price for using the express lane.

i personally think the best traffic relief is make some new highways

unwed_transient
04-26-2008, 09:57 AM
what a dumbass idea.
The whole point of carpooling/carpool lanes is to relieve congestion and save people money.
By charging for those lanes, it's going to make people not want to use them and drive themselves, which means more congestion and more money spent (on gas instead of tolls).

no. it's a great idea. now commuters will be allowed to perform a cost/benefit analysis every morning and evening. those who decide to pay will get home faster. others will decide that their money is worth more than their time. carpool lanes don't alleviate traffic anyway.