Poor baby seals (graphic pic warning)....

[SimpleS14]

GRAPHIC PICTURE WARNING

It's not really TOO shocking, but i figured i give a warning.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/articles/news/worldnews.html?in_article_id=555209&in_page_id=1811&expand=true

I don't know what to say....I had a strong feeling stuff like this was still going on, but I didn't know they would kill baby seals for leather. I'm shocked they are getting away with it.

What do you think?

[slidingsky]

It's a sad reality.

[LongGrain]

that makes me sick...

[driftyour40]

They stop dying when people stop consuming, do not blame people for going to work and doing there jobs when you are the employers.

that's just the harsh truth, it really does suck that they are treated that way.
not that I think any Zilvians would buy seal fur, but people do other wise they wouldn't be dying. I hope they do end up banning sealing for good that would be great.

"We're trying to make sure there is no possible way that a seal could be skinned while it was irreversibly unconscious but not dead.

"It's really going the extra mile to make sure that it's as humane as it can be."

lol, we care so much but don't come down and call us on it, or we'll have the police escort you away. Cool article

[steve shadows]

What do you think?

I think I am hungry for some grilled seal now.

Seriously

I eat em up

[SW20Racer]

how expensive are bullets again? oh, their not? hmmm....

keep the population in check, but dont kill 1/3rd of them damn....

[steve shadows]

I think killing 1/3rd of them is keeping the population in check.

This is just an emotional appeal to get some other secret political agenda some visibility and the super eco-terroist shit some main stream coverage.


If you really want to save the earth and these poor animals start first...KILL YOURSELF

It should catch on right? then the animals can live happily and wont be hurt

[jspaeth]

I am not against the killing, but it's fucked up that they can't just shoot them....making animals suffer is so fucking awful.

[steve shadows]

You don't think those pictures were hand picked?

Anything over-ellaborated?

[S14DB]

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Why not just shoot the baby seals? When you're firing from a boat that's bobbing in the water, it's hard to get a good shot. And if you don't hit the seal in the head, you're less likely to kill it quickly. That means you'll either prolong its suffering (until you can get close enough to club it), or, worse, you'll give it the chance to shuffle off into the water with its pelt still on. Even if you killed a seal with a shot to the body, you'd cost yourself some money, since each bullet hole reduces the value of a pelt. Sealers also say that stray bullets can ricochet off the ice and injure bystanders.
http://www.slate.com/id/2139026/

Ecological feasibility

According to the DFO, the harp seal population is now stable at about five million animals, three times as many seals as in the 1970s. They say that Canada's annual quota of 325,000 harp seals, and an additional 10,000 harp seal allowance for new Aboriginal initiatives, personal use, and Arctic hunts, does not significantly impact the harp seal population. Protestors respond that this figure represents only a fraction of the total number of seals killed, because many seals' bodies fall into the water or under the ice and are not counted. The CVMA has replied that this is untrue for the Canadian seal hunt, and that the Canadian seals that have been "struck and lost" is less than five percent (16,250 animals) of the total harvest. They suggest that this is because, in Canada, the majority of seals are killed on the ice, not in the sea.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Seal_hunting

[SW20Racer]

if 1/3 the pop has to die just to keep it in check, then let it be so. they dont feel anything once their dead.

[azndoc]

Mats, Matt, and MrClark please explain yourselves.

NOW.....................

[slothonaleash]

We can't pick and choose what animals we think are too sad to kill. When you kill an animal, you are taking a life... This is only slightly different to what that steak went through that's on your dinner table tonight. This just illicits a response because the things are so damn cute.

Note: I am a vegetarian/animal and environmental rights hippie

[S14DB]

We can't pick and choose what animals we think are too sad to kill. When you kill an animal, you are taking a life... This is only slightly different to what that steak went through that's on your dinner table tonight. This just illicits a response because the things are so damn cute.

Note: I am a vegetarian/animal and environmental rights hippie

Do you believe in capital punishment?

Do you believe the only way to save domesticated animals is to kill them?

[slothonaleash]

Do you believe in capital punishment?

Do you believe the only way to save domesticated animals is to kill them?


I do not.

I do not.

I'm just wondering why this thread is here but the other millions of animal atrocities are unknown/looked away from

[jspaeth]

if 1/3 the pop has to die just to keep it in check, then let it be so. they dont feel anything once their dead.


Ok fine....but they shouldn't have to suffer. I mean if your pet dog or cat needed to be put to sleep, would they break it's bones, stab it, and kill it with blunt force trauma?

Didn't think so. A fast speedy death is much more humane.

[unwed_transient]

http://www.crunchgear.com/wp-content/uploads/2007/12/clubbing1.jpg
be humane. use lightsabers.

http://www.animalrightsafrica.org/images/CLUBBING-SEALS-131.JPG
warranty void if seal is broken.

fashion carries a high price.

[steve shadows]

if 1/3 the pop has to die just to keep it in check, then let it be so. they dont feel anything once their dead.

Yeah and there is also adrenaline.

Just like us, they are mammals

[prang11]

Breaking News, animals die so that humans can eat.

Hasnt this been going on for longer than anyone here has been alive? Why do we need to change it now?

[aziankingz]

im pretty sure you will feel something being struck to your head..

[jackjack]

oh man........ thats just wrong.

i'm sure they do that to MOST animals. not surprising.

still wrong though.

[SW20Racer]

Ok fine....but they shouldn't have to suffer. I mean if your pet dog or cat needed to be put to sleep, would they break it's bones, stab it, and kill it with blunt force trauma?

Didn't think so. A fast speedy death is much more humane.

check out my first post in this thread, i feel the same way you do.

edit: here, i did it for you. how expensive are bullets again? oh, their not? hmmm....

keep the population in check, but dont kill 1/3rd of them damn....

but like i said, if killing 1/3 is putting the proper dent in it, the let it be so. (and here is where i clarify i meant quickly...)

[JVD]

It's their job. I have to admit though... the clubbing? Maybe something a bit less barbaric.

It's talked about so much here. If they weren't hunted, they would prob starve because there's not enough food for their population. People just cry about it because they're cute. Why don't we worry about more important things?... like people being killed.

I love how Paul McCartney is all up in arms over this... they still hunt fox.

I don't in any way support this hunting, but I'm sick of people complaining when they see these articles. Are you going to do anything to change these ways? NO! You're gonna say "oh, that's disgusting" and move on to the next article. I only really respect the people who actually try to do something.

[SW20Racer]

People just cry about it because they're cute.

lol people get offended when i tell them dog is a better meat than beef, and cat is better than pork, (litterally, its a healthier, richer meat) just because its the norm to keep them as pets.

[jspaeth]

It's not the killing that is barbaric, it's the way they do it.

When you kill a chicken to eat it, you break it's neck or chop it's head off......

you don't break each bone one by one, then skin it alive, then pour acid in it's eyes.

Again, they should just shoot them if they are going to kill them.

[JVD]

It's not the killing that is barbaric, it's the way they do it.

When you kill a chicken to eat it, you break it's neck or chop it's head off......

you don't break each bone one by one, then skin it alive, then pour acid in it's eyes.

Again, they should just shoot them if they are going to kill them.
Exactly! Canadian government(or whomever controls this shit) should just make a law saying the seals have to be dead before skinned.

[98s14inaz]

http://www.crunchgear.com/wp-content/uploads/2007/12/clubbing1.jpg
be humane. use lightsabers.

...
This story is fucked up but this pic killed me...it's civilized...lol

I'm in no way a tree hugger or an activist but animals deserve some sort of respect for giving their lives. There is no need for such cruelty. Kill the damn animal but don't torture it. Even when I hunt, god damn it I'll make sure it is dead before I cut into it.

Many predators instinctually know how to break a prey's kneck or kill it before eating it. Humanity makes me sick at times...we are perverse and cruel in equal ratio to our genius.

[jspaeth]

I'm in no way a tree hugger or an activist but animals deserve some sort of respect for giving their lives. There is no need for such cruelty. Kill the damn animal but don't torture it. Even when I hunt, god damn it I'll make sure it is dead before I cut into it.

Many predators instinctually know how to break a prey's kneck or kill it before eating it. Humanity makes me sick at times...we are perverse and cruel in equal ratio to our genius.


Sums me up right here. Even saying "don't skin it until it's dead" isn't enough IMO.

Kill it fast, and that's it. I mean, they are driving a spike into it's throat or face, and dragging it along, all the while it is still conscious. That is so fucked up.

[blasting_speed]

Damn that's freakin' violent.

[Mi Beardo es Loco]

I got in huge trouble when I was in 6th grade because a few younger kids poored gas on a cat and burned it alive in front of my house. I went outside and was clubbing the shit out of the kids and pushed one of the kids in the fire. Well, to make a long story short, the kids' parents were trying to sue mine until they heard what the kid did to the cat.

I'm a huge animal lover. I have 2 cats and 5 dogs. love em. Iif anyone were to do something to my animals, I swear to god, I don't know what I'll do. It triggers somethiing in me that I'm ashamed to let out. To harm a defenseless being is inhuman in my standards. The only time I eat meat is when my family is around. I find it funny that I'm still a fat ass.

sorry if I'm rambling, just this shit pisses me off. But honestly, the slaughter for food iis just natural, it's the slaughter for anything else which is what pisses me off.

[qt_240]

whats ever more disturbing to me.. is some of them look like they were enjoying it..

[ESmorz]

whats ever more disturbing to me.. is some of them look like they were enjoying it..

Well... they are making bills...

It's fucked up, but honestly there are SO MANY MORE things that people need to get all up in arms about before we even worry about the baby seals...

[S14DB]

I do not.

I do not.

I hope you're not a peta member then.

[azndoc]

Yeah that sucks.

Baby seals are cute.

Until they fucking bite you.

[98s14inaz]

...It's fucked up, but honestly there are SO MANY MORE things that people need to get all up in arms about before we even worry about the baby seals...

True, I think everyone is more pissed off about the thought process that could allow someone to do that to an animal. Some psychologists believe that if a person could do that to an animal with no emotion, doing it to a person is pretty damn likely.

[ESmorz]

True, I think everyone is more pissed off about the thought process that could allow someone to do that to an animal. Some psychologists believe that if a person could do that to an animal with no emotion, doing it to a person is pretty damn likely.

Eh. These guys need to make a living too.

It's no different then the people who kill cows, or chickens, or pigs. People just make a big fuss because baby seals are sooooo cute.

If they were doing it solely for the sadistic pleasure, then I would look at it that way. Truth is they are probably just providing for themselves and/or family...

I can kill animals. However, unless I really had to I wouldn't dream of killing another human...

[jspaeth]

It's not the act of killing, it's that they are probably suffering for extended period of time, rather than a fast death.

[ESmorz]

It's not the act of killing, it's that they are probably suffering for extended period of time, rather than a fast death.

People do this kind of shit to Human Beings.

Solve that problem and then I'll care about the seals.

[JDMS1lv1a]

It's not the act of killing, it's that they are probably suffering for extended period of time, rather than a fast death.

exactly^^,thats why its soo fucked up

damn fishermen:rl: :smash:

People do this kind of shit to Human Beings.

Solve that problem and then I'll care about the seals.

that too

[S14DB]

It's not the act of killing, it's that they are probably suffering for extended period of time, rather than a fast death.

Did you read this? http://www.slate.com/id/2139026/

[illvialuver]

damn, I hate to see what human execution of inmates looks like in Canada, cutting there hearts out with a spoon?( and for the record all you Canadians out there I know this happens everywhere there is ice and that you have free health car.)

[jibanez]

this saddens me :(
they are freakin helpless man.

[speedgod^s13]

Did you read this? http://www.slate.com/id/2139026/

I read it, and it does shed some light. Doesn't take away from the fact, that humans are the scum of the earth. We didn't adapt to the earth, we ruined it. Now, we are trying to fix, what we destroyed. In this case, they have reasons for having to club the seals. But, for one case that has justifiable reasons, I can find 100 other cases, where the violence towards animals, isn't needed, or necessary. The pictures of these seals running away, is sad, but I have seen way worse peta videos. Some of these seals, have it good, compared to what I have seen racoons go through. Imagine being stuffed in a flat cage, that's open all around. Which means your legs and arms, go through the openings. Then imagine, humans throwing those cages on the ground, or onto trucks, and having your exposed limbs crushed. That's what the racoons, dogs, even cats went through, on the video that I watched. In another video, I saw animals slammed into the ground, while being held by their tails. I cannot explain, the pain I felt, when they showed close-up pictures, of these animals in their cages. They were bloody, injured, almost dead, and the look in their eyes, caused me to nearly to weep. These are some examples, of how cold hearted we are. I don't really care about humans, because, a most of them don't even care about themselves. How can you justify, having so many kids, when you don't even have food in your stomach? Doesn't fucking make you full? I feel sorry for the kids though, because, they had no choice in this. They were born into this world, with no control of their life. The parents on the other hand, should be shot. How can you bring kids into this life, knowing you can't feed them, or even take care of them whatsoever? I'm done for now.

[cuddlesthesheep]

not as bad as the video i saw of the lady in high heels squishing a puppies head, jesus i'll never be able to shake that shit.

[all show no go]

^^ god i hope i dont see that video, Brutal shit man..:-/ i know i would hate to be struck in the back of the head with a pick axe. ahhhh man i dont got the heart to do those people's job.. im a wuss and i'd feel really bad afterward.. hah the lightsaber idea would make it so much easier if it were real, and way less painful for the poor animal. (sighs)

[speedgod^s13]

Another thing, i'd like to add is this. Yes, it's a job to some of these people. That doesn't take away from the fact, that some of these guys are so fucked in the head, they enjoy, not killing these seals with 1 or 2 hits. Some of these seals aren't even dead, when they hook them, and drag them away. That's wrong. I have no problem with someone doing their job, but, at least do it right.

[innovation]

Call me uninformed, but what major food source or good is made / used from baby seals?

[ESmorz]

Another thing, i'd like to add is this. Yes, it's a job to some of these people. That doesn't take away from the fact, that some of these guys are so fucked in the head, they enjoy, not killing these seals with 1 or 2 hits. Some of these seals aren't even dead, when they hook them, and drag them away. That's wrong. I have no problem with someone doing their job, but, at least do it right.

How do you know they enjoy it? Do you know many seal hunters?

[speedgod^s13]

How do you know they enjoy it? Do you know many seal hunters?

I have seen pictures, of seal hunters, laughing and smiling, while chasing these seals. Would that sound like that they are enjoying what they do?

[ESmorz]

I have seen pictures, of seal hunters, laughing and smiling, while chasing these seals. Would that sound like that they are enjoying what they do?

Maybe they are just trying to lighten up the situation, since there job sucks.

[speedgod^s13]

Maybe they are just trying to lighten up the situation, since there job sucks.

That could be possible, but highly unlikely.

[SimpleS14]

I see this as something that is going to happen no matter what, but I still don't get why they go after the pups. Why not go after the bigger adult seals?

[shmiddy]

it makes me sick to call myself human sometimes.

[speedgod^s13]

I see this as something that is going to happen no matter what, but I still don't get why they go after the pups. Why not go after the bigger adult seals?

I'm assuming it has to do with their pelt. I guess when they get older, their pelt isn't as nice or smooth. That's my assumption. Anything to make more money, that's human nature.

[bloodangels13]

I say if your not ganna eat it afterwards dont kill it.... its not like ppl get attacked by baby seals on the reg.

i kill deer.. i field dress deer... i butcher deer... i make deer jerky and what nots... i eat it... life is good

[98s14inaz]

Some of you are missing the point. .22 rounds are cheap. Would it seriously be that difficult to sneak up and shoot one in the head? How about that stick that divers use to kill sharks that has an explosive charge at the tip? Are they eating what they kill?

To make an animal suffer that much and then only use it's pelt is unacceptable. I feel the same way about humans too. The right to a swift death is a right of all living creatures.

"They were just doing their jobs" is the same thing they said about the Nazis that ran the concentration camps and gas chambers. Fuck that. Get a different job. At some point you have to say to yourself, "this is wrong and I'm not doing it". If that doesn't happen there is no hope and no pity for you.

[WanganRunner]

Ok, I understand from that article that it's tough to hit a baby seal in the head with a rifle bullet from a bobbing boat....BUT

In those pictures, the hunters are RIGHT UP ON the seals. WTF. How hard would it be to just cap them in the head with a 9mm handgun or something?

Or maybe use some kind of nonlethal capture method (i.e. nets or tranq darts) and then kill them later with injection?

All these excuses are just cop-outs for the hunters wanting to do this the cheapest way possible, which is fucking lame.

[PBucch]

+1 for seal killers.

[98s14inaz]

Ok, I understand from that article that it's tough to hit a baby seal in the head with a rifle bullet from a bobbing boat....BUT

In those pictures, the hunters are RIGHT UP ON the seals. WTF. How hard would it be to just cap them in the head with a 9mm handgun or something?

Or maybe use some kind of nonlethal capture method (i.e. nets or tranq darts) and then kill them later with injection?

All these excuses are just cop-outs for the hunters wanting to do this the cheapest way possible, which is fucking lame.

That sums it up right there... $$$>basic human compassion

[steve shadows]

whats ever more disturbing to me.. is some of them look like they were enjoying it..

The baby seals?

I know? wtf