Any private-owned Full Race R14s?

[LS240]

OK, Full Race has been doing their R14 conversions for a while now, so I would assume that there would be at least a few in customers' hands by now. But I can't seem to find anything about any R14 other than Geoff Raicer's own demonstration car. What gives? Anybody have any links to a customer R14, or any pics or vids?

Link for anyone that doesn't know what an R14 is: http://www.full-race.com/r14/

Thanks!
-Layne

[s13drob]

damn i never heard of a r14. thats crazy. i knew 240s werent maxed out on ideas. crazy.

[Full-Lock]

i havent seen one besides their shop car...
i would call full-race directly and ask them

im sure they could help you out!

[eastcoastS14]

If I recall the price for the conversion is pretty high so im guessing a lot of 240 owners either dont have the cash or would rather spend it elsewhere

[silentstyle1]

yea the R14 i believe is like 12k or something outrageous like that.

[LS240]

If I recall the price for the conversion is pretty high so im guessing a lot of 240 owners either dont have the cash or would rather spend it elsewhere

This is true, however; I know there has been a lot of interest in R14s because I have talked to Geoff Raicer via e-mail and he said they're so swamped with orders that they had to stop taking orders on the conversion for a while. And on their website they recently announced that Full Race would no longer be doing the actual conversion work themselves and will instead be selling the parts as a kit, simply due to the huge demand that they can't keep up with.

Based on what they're saying, it seems like they're extremely busy with R14 conversions, meaning there should be some in private hands by now.

Oh and I just emailed Geoff Raicer to see if he has any info he can provide.

Edit: That "outrageous" 12k included installation of the kit. Shop work ain't cheap, especially from a top-flight company like Full Race. Since they'll be selling just the kit soon, I assume you could get it done for a lot cheaper(like, probably less than half the cost) if you have the ability to install it yourself.

[Matej]

LHD RWD > RHD AWD. :keke:

[LS240]

Edit: Nevermind. Misunderstanding based on a typo by Matej. All cleared up now.

[Matej]

Hahaha sorry I accidentally got them mixed up, fixed!
What I meant was don't you have to switch to RHD to do the R14 conversion?
And yeah the price is high, I think the 12K$ was just for the Full Race parts and labor, you'd still have to buy all the GT-R parts needed.

[DOOK]

Edit: That "outrageous" 12k included installation of the kit. Shop work ain't cheap, especially from a top-flight company like Full Race. Since they'll be selling just the kit soon, I assume you could get it done for a lot cheaper(like, probably less than half the cost) if you have the ability to install it yourself.

that however does not include the price of any of the actual skyline components either i don't think... the RB26 and drivetrain, the subframes etc are all extra cost if I'm not mistaken. I believe what full race provides is all bracketry being modified, wiring, linkages, etc...

[luisgonz]

RHD in a LHD market is for ricers, period. This conversion actually has performance benefits. RHD conversions have no practical benefits AT ALL. In fact they're more of a hindrance than anything. The only benefit of a RHD car is being able to impress spiky-haired JDM-wannabe ricer d-bags.

GTFO.

Oh really and Maybe have more space for a bigger turbo in its place. Thats what I think.

[LS240]

Hahaha sorry I accidentally got them mixed up, fixed!
What I meant was don't you have to switch to RHD to do the R14 conversion?

No the R14 conversion is LHD. The whole point of the R14 is so you can basically have a GT-R that's LHD and that you can actually legally register.

that however does not include the price of any of the actual skyline components either i don't think... the RB26 and drivetrain, the subframes etc are all extra cost if I'm not mistaken. I believe what full race provides is all bracketry being modified, wiring, linkages, etc...

That is correct. You have to buy your own engine, drivetrain, and the GT-R front and rear subframes. R14s aren't cheap by any means. But when you consider what you're getting for the money compared to other cars on the market, it's a good deal. How many cars in the US have an engine as strong as an RB26 with a terrific AWD system in a relatively lightweight(under 3000lbs), good looking package? And how many of those could be purchased for about $30K? For a 240SX, yes it's expensive. But just as a performance car in general, it's a smoking deal.

[DOOK]

but for the money you can buy an STi or EVO and have equivalent performance with a factory warranty... sure, it doesn't have the custom appeal or the S chassis appeal to people like us, but it's facts. I see them selling some of the kits, but not as many as you'd think.

[blitzkrgCT9A]

very nice convesion kit if you got the money to blow.

But in CA, the whole conversion w/ RB swap would still be illegal unless you can somehow get it BAR'd at State Ref.

[LS240]

but for the money you can buy an STi or EVO and have equivalent performance with a factory warranty... sure, it doesn't have the custom appeal or the S chassis appeal to people like us, but it's facts. I see them selling some of the kits, but not as many as you'd think.

That's true. But as nice as the 4G63 is, I'd take an RB26 any day. Displacement FTW! (my sick twisted self wants to put an LS1 into an R14. 5.7 liters + AWD = instant orgasm.) Plus the S14 looks better than any Evo or STi. And another really cool thing about R14s is that you can adjust from 50-50 to 0-100% front-rear torqe bias with the turn of a knob. In other words, this car can be RWD on demand as well.

[96Turbo]

The R14 doesn't retain the ATESSA system does it?? I remember reading it somewhere that like u said, it's just an adjustment knob. That would be a major drawback of this system, since ATESSA pretty much makes the skyline what it is

[origin_s135]

i rather just get the real thing instead of going through the work of putting it on a S-chassis.

[Mr. Jesse]

How about an R13..............hatch :keke::keke:

but seriously.

[Swerv13]

they mentioned developing an r13 hatch when all this started and i havnt heard anything about it since. i dont think i would have full race do it, id like to do something like that myself. but its def interesting.

i like shops doing different things with cars, like the awd vq35 350z...who made that? top secret? or the team orange REAL rwd conversion evo....id NEVER do that to an evo, but its still interesting.

[Signum Temporis]

yeah, the r14 kit is probably expensive because:

Single-adjustable Steel KONI coilover shock absorbers.
4" aluminum 6061-T6 Slip-yoke eliminator driveshaft.
Electronic 4wd controller + all necessary hydraulic lines.
R14 double wishbone front suspension.
R14 frame rails + subframe mounts.
R14 transmission mount.+ full race wont do the labor, its strictly DIY

[LS240]

How about an R13..............hatch :keke::keke:

but seriously.

they mentioned developing an r13 hatch when all this started and i havnt heard anything about it since. i dont think i would have full race do it, id like to do something like that myself. but its def interesting.

I would absolutely love an S13 hatch as well, but unfortunately they're not going to be doing the R13 conversion any time soon, last I heard from Full Race.

yeah, the r14 kit is probably expensive because:

Single-adjustable Steel KONI coilover shock absorbers.
4" aluminum 6061-T6 Slip-yoke eliminator driveshaft.
Electronic 4wd controller + all necessary hydraulic lines.
R14 double wishbone front suspension.
R14 frame rails + subframe mounts.
R14 transmission mount.+ full race wont do the labor, its strictly DIY

Correct, they no longer do the conversion themselves. But that 12-13K price was the price of the conversion back when they were still doing it. You can expect a decent price drop for the DIY kit. Oh, and remote-reservoir Penske racing shock upgrade FTW!

[youngbrazee1]

evos and stis are way ugly compared to the s14 but the awd 350z is cool

[300hp owen]

yeah I wonder if there are any R14 owners on here, maybe in the GTR section of some forums but keeping it all a secret?!??! I would love to have an R14 in a kouki S14 for sure! all clean and mean oh boy it would be a track monster too, the RB26 responds to mods so well and the Schassis is great, I bet its jaw dropping awesome with a GTRs awd and front suspension.

but I am definitely not going to sell my STI and my LS1FC just to afford an R14, hell no. if I wont the lotto, maybe I'd build one :) but until then, nah, no thanks. I think you have to be a diehard RB26 and Schassi kinda guy to go thru with an R14 buildup. look at the totally sick S14s on here from time to time, done up to the max and asking prices like 20grand but they have an SR20 or RB25 in there, man they'd have to ask even more for an R14 as nice as theirs, its just a hard decision, all that money in something thats not fully insured and could be stolen or crashed at any time, thats a little scary to me...

[bloodangels13]

i like shops doing different things with cars, like the awd vq35 350z...who made that? top secret? or the team orange REAL rwd conversion evo....id NEVER do that to an evo, but its still interesting.

JUN did their hyper lemon awd RB26 z33, a local va shop called Jtuned did a awd 350z using g35x awd setup

[420sx]

its cool i guess. just dont see a point doing that conversion, id rather upgrade the sr, buy more tires and track time

[TiNMAN]

some people get bored. its that simple.

[300hp owen]

also, some people like the build more than the driving.

[1CLNS14]

I dont think they did any other conversions except for the initial one. If they did they would have been more pics or atleast a vid floating around but ther is none. would like to see someone do the conversion tho :)

[LS240]

There's definitely a point beyond "being bored". AWD is just better at putting big power down on street tires, or in bad conditions. Period. Not everybody that likes S chassis cars is in to drifting. Some, like me, would love to be able to have 500, 600, even 700+ horsepower and actually be able to use it for something other than bench racing and bragging rights. That is precisely why the R14 exists.

[Aaronsx]

There's definitely a point beyond "being bored". AWD is just better at putting big power down on street tires, or in bad conditions. Period. Not everybody that likes S chassis cars is in to drifting. Some, like me, would love to be able to have 500, 600, even 700+ horsepower and actually be able to use it for something other than bench racing and bragging rights. That is precisely why the R14 exists.

Down here we have 60-130 events and the standing mile for cars like that. Hopefully I will be with you in trying to put down that amount of power within the next year or so.