RS-R Drift Scion tC ?

[irax]

please tell me I'm not the only one that think that its a load of shit that they are allowed to run the car.

[AutoKA24DE]

why would you think its a load of shit?

[TougeLabs]

i want video! lol

[an_orange_s2k]

i wanna see this

[raz0rbladez909]

should've came rwd from the factory

[lil240sx95]

http://www.autoblog.com/photos/rs-r-formula-drift-scion-tc/741410/
here are the pictures

[joshchewuhh]

wtf?

scion tc's are fwd?

im confused

[Dousan_PG]

iirc it ddint pass FD tech inspection few weeks back.

[yusuke1923]

thats siiiickkkkkk!!!!

[Katsumbhong]

The humanity

[TSLegendary]

If Toyota would of made the TC RWD,We would have probably seen a bunch of small affordable rwd coupes in the market just boom but, i guess Hundai might be the company making that first step.Maybe even revive the affordable rwd coupe market.It will be like living in the 90's all over again.(except for the over priced gas.)Maybe a RWD Scion in the future?

[scribbles6]

interesting, i wonder how they're doing this (obviously hella money) since it's fwd.

oh well, sucks that gushi got stuck with that, they should have gave him something better.

[slider2828]

Wow... that is completely one off. They turned the engine and mounted.... You can do it, if you have the money.

[irax]

According to this months Import Tuner the loop hole is rule 8.11.13 or something that allow cars designed for RWD or AWD from factory. According to them in japan theres an AWD TC. My issue is that the reason why RWD or AWD based cars is to make it more competitive for grass roots and privateers, because if they could just take a fwd car and put any ole' rwd engine in it at that point your really just making your own car and is really unfair to teams without deep pockets

[Dousan_PG]

iirc they modified the crossmember a shit ton
that was illegal i think
so when i was at FD tech it failed
who knows if it will drive at FD
ill let u know
ill be there

[ultraman019]

It's unusual, but it's always nice to see something fresh.

[raz0rbladez909]

beams 3sge plus turbo mmmmmmmmm

[DP-AE86]

the car is sitting on a 4wd chassis i believe
second gen toyota avensis

[Rocko]

at that point your really just making your own car and is really unfair to teams without deep pockets

I dont see any unfair advantage they would gain over the grassroots guys that the big money teams already running crazy setups based off RWD platforms dont already have.... Just look at Rhys's car, I really dont see how a converted FWD car would have any advantage that thing doesnt already... seems to me this is just another expensive way to be unique and its really not going to matter especialy in drift racing.

my 2cents

[slider2828]

But you know what who cares... Drifting needs a big sponsor like toyota to be in it right now. FD is doing ok, but more sponsors means bigger events.

[jinesz32]

people can drift fwd. looks pretty neat.

http://youtube.com/watch?v=JQMQkMvRG3I

[luftrofl]

My issue is that the reason why RWD or AWD based cars is to make it more competitive for grass roots and privateers, because if they could just take a fwd car and put any ole' rwd engine in it at that point your really just making your own car and is really unfair to teams without deep pockets

There's no denying the fact that they've essentially created their own car. That said, IMO it's not that big of a deal because they also have to develop the performance from scratch. :2f2f:

[irax]

then why don't they just leave the platform options open?

[DALAZ_68]

http://www.autoblog.com/photos/rs-r-formula-drift-scion-tc/741410/
here are the pictures

LOL i saw this thing at autobaucs on there tech day... rear diff and all...LOL i believe it had Ken Gushi on the side panel

[adictd2b00st]

why would you think its a load of shit?

:werd: looks pretty cool to me

[thursdaymike]

I think the car looks pretty cool. They r gonna. Have the same problem the hankook porshe has, and that is if they don't have a whole nother car in parts, when they break something, they're screwed

[SlideAlliance]

its not bad but could definitely be better looking kit wise...

[jspec240]

^^^ if they have the money to create the parts for it trust me they have the doe to make some spares :)

[sr20powerd]

Ass draging......

[SlideAlliance]

what are gushi's thoughts on this?

[fcdrifter20]

the car look realy good. i wana see how it performs. it nice to see people pushing the bar.

i dont know y people associate drifting only with rear wheel drive. there use to be plenty of ff cars in d1 befor it hit the states. yes peopl u can drift ff, it just a lot harder and it doesnt look as cool.(not enough tire smoke):drama:

[jackjack]

man......... i'm not even sure how i feel about this......... looks good though.

[240trainee]

It will be interesting to see if they can get it to pass FD tech, because it is breaking a few important FD rules.

Thats the only reason this car would piss me off, if Toyota ends up "buying" the rulebook.

[Sonic Motor]

that car looks badass.
Cant wait for some videos of this in action.

Its great to see different cars drifting.

I wanna see the new hyundai drift. lol

[PRADOgy]

As a shop this is cool and what not. it shows your tallent and knowledge..

but factory this is the dumbest shit ever..seriously a tc thats gona EVENTUALLY in its life time hit a wall is a waste.. not to be a downer.. but seriously lame.. should focus on making more rwd cars than taking a short cut


why give kids out there false hope? no one out there really has the money for this MAJOR FAB

[shade]

Its a chibi GTR.

[s14_legend]

sweettt...if

[DWvinny]

the original plan was to make a new rwd corolla and for some stupid reason we get the scion brand... guess they didnt think the US was a good market at the time :duh:

heres a pick of what should have been :mad: rwd concept corolla circa 00, 01
http://img368.imageshack.us/img368/1669/00gu9.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

[s14_legend]

if they bring back the corolla rwd you know itll be on

[SlideAlliance]

toyota should bring back the supra, call it a scion tt or some shit and sell them at the same price as the xb

[PoorMans180SX]

Wow, that Beams 3SGTE is gorgeous.

Different, kinda dumb, and a lot of money.

I give them props, but it's gonna hurt the pocketbooks when that thing hits the wall.

They should start using '80's Camaros for drift cars, that way, when they hit the wall, you're just doing the world a favor.

[Sexxxyslide]

I think this is great......it says it all...MONEY TALKS.....i would love to run that car...if it was given to me to drive.....I think its a kewl idea......well this car kinda broke all the rules that formula D made...

BUT I would like to see how it does.....Oh yeah just remeber this is not a SION TC anymore.......ITS A CUSTOM CAR....

[SlideAlliance]

Apparently they forgot to read the rule book...don't they pay someone to do that for them?

[s14_legend]

all in all a sweet ride...next time they just need to read the book lol

[Thursday]

iirc it ddint pass FD tech inspection few weeks back.


thats true , the car failed to pass tech and was not able to run.

[Mi Beardo es Loco]

this is just another example of some bigger corporations building a car that would never be able to be built in a home garage. If drifting absolutely blows up in the US I really hope they don't take away the looks of the cars like Nascar did. They need to leave it looking like a regular car.

[SlideAlliance]

this is just another example of some bigger corporations building a car that would never be able to be built in a home garage. If drifting absolutely blows up in the US I really hope they don't take away the looks of the cars like Nascar did. They need to leave it looking like a regular car.

The rule book pretty much doesn't allow for that right now, but one day they may just change it and then grassroots shit is out the door. Hopefully we will all be good enough by then to have some factory backing :naughty:

[PRADOgy]

thats true , the car failed to pass tech and was not able to run.
ha-ha


what a waste

[CKAMC]

http://www.gtchannel.com/content.php?cid=17398

video

[IIIXziuR]

I like the motor bay. The car def has a faux GTR look.
The RS*R S14 and AP were cooler.

I am out of the loop but, is this what Gushi is/was going to run in FD this season? He no longer pushes a 'stang? I saw his name on the side of the car.

[Kn1ves]

what are gushi's thoughts on this?

He got a free brand new Scion TC out of it so I don't think hes complaining.

[steve shadows]

man......... i'm not even sure how i feel about this......... looks good though.

I know how to feel.

Scion RWD drift car increases sales of Scions

more idiots try to FWD their scions on the street, killing themselves

population control

brilliant

[S13_SideWayz]

I know how to feel.

Scion RWD drift car increases sales of Scions

more idiots try to FWD their scions on the street, killing themselves

population control

brilliant
+1 its just not meant to be. :barf:

[s14_legend]

great idea for the car but bad idea people trying to do it... can i say f&f

[SlideAlliance]

He got a free brand new Scion TC out of it so I don't think hes complaining.

Yeah, that he can't drive in FD, what a great deal for Ken!

[karl wasabi]

I think it's pretty cool. It will for sure bring diversity to the PROFESSIONAL drift scene. Too bad for the rest of us.

[i need tires]

It will be interesting to see if they can get it to pass FD tech, because it is breaking a few important FD rules.

Thats the only reason this car would piss me off, if Toyota ends up "buying" the rulebook.

a lot of big companies out there "buy" the rule book... im sure there are a decent amount of FD cars out there that actually shouldnt pass tech but do because they got money lol

[qt_240]

I like Gushi.. always have... wish he went back to his S13 though =p

[sean350z]

Why the hell would anyone go through all that work/money to find out it doesn't fit in the rules for the series?!? Come on that's just plain stupidity.

Read the rules and then build a car.

[getsideways]

what are gushi's thoughts on this?

If they make the proper modifications they need to make to meet the regulations, I think he's diggin it. Takes him back to his illegal drifting days when he was sliding corners at age 14 with a 4 banger :2f2f: Suits him better than the V8 (although that thing was siiiickk).

[KOUKI KAN KAN]

I know how to feel.

Scion RWD drift car increases sales of Scions

more idiots try to FWD their scions on the street, killing themselves

population control

brilliant
Brilliant !!!!

[worangejuice]

why go through all this trouble???hmmmm, an xbox would have been way cooler!
http://www.blogsmithmedia.com/www.autoblog.com/media/2008/04/22_rsr_scion_tc.jpg
http://www.blogsmithmedia.com/www.autoblog.com/media/2008/04/02_rsr_scion_tc.jpg
http://www.blogsmithmedia.com/www.autoblog.com/media/2008/04/12_rsr_scion_tc.jpg

[SimpleSexy180]

i like it. made the car how it should have been in the first place.

[wrapmeup2005]

Nice work they did, I just don't like the rear half with the vents and the rear bumper with the butthole. Everything else is freakin badass

[nismo racer]

the video, it looks pretty cool to me.

[hustlervibes]

I know how to feel.

Scion RWD drift car increases sales of Scions

more idiots try to FWD their scions on the street, killing themselves

population control

brilliant

Hahaha, which reminds me. I saw a dumb tc driver try to "drift" in a parking lot and smashed head on into a SUV and moved it about 5 ft from where it was originally parked. I guess he got all excited by this and heard about it before me :rofl:

I'm glad to see another one of those dumbasses off the road, but it sucks for the guy who got his car smashed into.

[irax]

http://www.blogsmithmedia.com/www.autoblog.com/media/2008/04/22_rsr_scion_tc.jpg



that must be really shitty seeing how it has 4 cylinders infront of the shock towers.

[luftrofl]

that must be really shitty seeing how it has 4 cylinders infront of the shock towers.

Not much they can do about that :keke:

[Matej]

this is just another example of some bigger corporations building a car that would never be able to be built in a home garage. If drifting absolutely blows up in the US I really hope they don't take away the looks of the cars like Nascar did.
"Professional" drifting in America is the new Nascar. Look at the cars, look at the spectators.

[SlideAlliance]

that must be really shitty seeing how it has 4 cylinders infront of the shock towers.

same thing as the STI's...

[dragon_x330]

Eh. To each his own. I personally believe, as with many other zilvians, that the Tc should have came either AWD or RWD from the factory. FWD are just easier to mass produce.

The RS*R Tc is unique. That's about all I can say about it.

[fbiphil]

The STi's don't need the engine turned sideways to make them RWD- they just lock the center diff and they're good to go.
But wasn't there an Evo in FD with the engine turned sideways for RWD? I wasn't aware that there was a rule regarding this...
Like someone mentioned, Rhys' car isn't really a Solstice anymore, what with all of the modifications to steering, suspension, structure, so why not just let someone take that next step and relocate the engine, too?
If professional drifting is going to survive in the US, it needs big name sponsors. It's cool that old corollas and S-chassis are competitive, but automakers aren't going to put money out to sponsor 10-20 year old cars!
Scion/ Toyota is banking on kids seeing Gushi out there drifting a tC and buying into the brand- win on Sunday, sell on Monday. I say good luck to them- the new money can't hurt FD, and I'm sure Ken Gushi is happy with whatever deal he made. I hope the tech violations can be worked out, because I'd like to see what he can do with this new car!

[BlueKpS13]

ew i dont think scions are drift cars imo

[240trainee]

Yea, As I remember there are rules regarding firewall and chassis removal/ replacement, as well as minimal mods to the crossmember/ engine mounting position. I am too lazy to look up the rules, but those are the major ones I believe. But there was an amendment that FD would look at special cases on a car by car bases, and it was added when Toyota released plans for this thing.

[newagedrift]

I think its pretty cool, itll be good to start bringing more diversity into the scene, hopefully oneday the events wont be so flooded with S chassis.

I know its not FD, but there is a Honda Element running in the NOPI series. Its definatly not the best car out but its fun as hell to watch that thing get sideways.

[PoorMans180SX]

The STi's don't need the engine turned sideways to make them RWD- they just lock the center diff and they're good to go.
But wasn't there an Evo in FD with the engine turned sideways for RWD? I wasn't aware that there was a rule regarding this...
Like someone mentioned, Rhys' car isn't really a Solstice anymore, what with all of the modifications to steering, suspension, structure, so why not just let someone take that next step and relocate the engine, too?
If professional drifting is going to survive in the US, it needs big name sponsors. It's cool that old corollas and S-chassis are competitive, but automakers aren't going to put money out to sponsor 10-20 year old cars!
Scion/ Toyota is banking on kids seeing Gushi out there drifting a tC and buying into the brand- win on Sunday, sell on Monday. I say good luck to them- the new money can't hurt FD, and I'm sure Ken Gushi is happy with whatever deal he made. I hope the tech violations can be worked out, because I'd like to see what he can do with this new car!

Yup, Kamakubo's Evo 9 in D1. But still, it's an Evo. They didn't have to make custom rear strut towers and floorpan. I can see letting some crazy mods go, but it's getting a little ridiculous. Soon everyone is going to be making custom firewalls, and that will progress into partial tube-framing, then full tube framing, then fiberglass bodies...

I agree it's becoming a little like Nascar. I hate that.

[Katsumbhong]

Wow... that is completely one off. They turned the engine and mounted.... You can do it, if you have the money.

Beams 2.0 Liter can pretty much only be mounted Longitude-style.

[smelly240]

cept the beams 2.0 also came in mr2's

[drftwerks]

^^^

dont talk out your ass.

[ryceboy_124]

This is what Moto-P from Club4AG wrote:

I've been watching the development of this car for the last few months first hand... As if you can remember, I was operating RS-R Drift Festivals in the past...
and Toyota's pre-development of the new RWD... (but wasn't able to let the big cats out of the bag till now...)

Anyway, many questions here and I'll try my best to see if I can answer some...
tC 'had' a transverse mounted RAV4/Camry engine, the 2.4L 4 banger... This tC happens to have a longitudinal mount 3S-GE from the Altezza.
Now that mated with a undisclosed 6 speed sequential or standard box, was all custom. tC did have a lot of room, as Gary (@Dynamic) says, so installation "space" wasn't much an issue as "how". Transmission tunnel had to be created as there is no such thing in a FWD car.
Question of Rear-Drive axle and differential.. Of course the propeller from transmission is all custom, but rear end is as of now a Celica All-Track based unit (actually much more accurately, from a Caldina Sport Wagon in Japan).
The differential unit fits nicely (but not straight bolt-in even if some of the suspension parts line up pretty close.)
Question of taking a AWD rear-end on a 100% RWD duty: Is it "tough" enough? We'll see... So far it's holding up in testing, RS-R says.
Back to the tC, yes the car is pretty much a ground-up build from frame. Almost entirely built by RSR USA and Dynamic in Orange County, California. This Scion is one that shares very little with a normal car except in places that dictate standardized part or dimensions in Formula D regulations. I mean stuff from steering, brakes, engine, floor pan, braces and gussets... A TON of work and a TON of man hours.
It came out looking great!
In testing, RSR says there's still a lot to be sorted out, but Ken feels comfortable and ready to rock as soon as the bugs are detailed and ironed for him to smash the pedal longer and keep the Scion moving all day.
They are confident that by mid-season, it should be good enough to be a contender, but first couple of Formula D challenge may be somewhat of a shakedown for the many first-time parts and lack of replacement pieces in many areas. (yes there's more to this than what's in stock at a Scion dealer parts department you know...)
Is Ken making huge adjustments? Well I am sure he is, jumping from a Ford V8 Mustang to this... But remember, he did learn for a few years in his dad's AE86 when we were all having fun at Drift Day back in 01~03... Plus, for those who think a tC is a small car because of the Scion Brand... Guess again. Go to cars.com or your favorite website and look at the dimensions of the tC. You'll be surprised that it's not far off from a Mustang at all! (least not as much as one may easily assume...)
Mustang vs. (normal Scion tC)
Exterior length 187.6 " (174.0 ")
Exterior body width 73.9 " (69.1")
Exterior height 55.7 " (55.7 ")
RS-R's Scion tC RWD is actually wider possibly, than Ken's 06 Mustang with the tC's big rear box fender extensions! :D
See? Not small...
Car had been under careful watch from Toyota people in Japan too... Though more for market response stand point than development of the separate car they are working on for the future release. So nothing of this mechanically will directly equate to that car but still... If we Cheer for it, the "other car" will come more quickly...and in more of a customer-friendly form of a 'pret-a-porte' Toyota PRODUCT!! :D GOOD LUCK RSR, Go run it hard Ken!

So, Toyota does in fact a small RWD coupe in the works (Projected release is 2011)...I'm just curious as to how it will look. It is said to a project in the works with Subaru. Guess we will have to wait and see...

[Antihero983]

shit is weak sauce. and wtf is with the widebody? they crash that thing once and its gonna be a fuckload of money to fix....

....oh wait. must be nice to have corporate backers.

that rear bumper looks like some ghetto shit from NFS underground....

also, the widebody bullshit on the 350Z roadster looks like ass. but thats another story.

[s14_legend]

saw this thing drift...pretty damn nice

[boogerlovers]

saw this thing drift...pretty damn nice
idk it didnt look so good during tandems today...i gotta give it to em though, they got it to pass inspection :ugh:

[boost_it7]

I hope this thing ends up doing tandem with Sam, and that bigass Charger runs it over. Scion has to be the most ricer-friendly brand out there right now, and this thing is no exception. Regardless of how it performs, it looks like ass.

[s13drob]

no bueno... haha wierd shit

[drift freaq]

I was not that impresssed with it today.

[boogerlovers]

I hope this thing ends up doing tandem with Sam, and that bigass Charger runs it over. Scion has to be the most ricer-friendly brand out there right now, and this thing is no exception. Regardless of how it performs, it looks like ass.
Hubinnete ditched the charger...hes back in the viper...:keke:

[EJ253]

The STi's don't need the engine turned sideways to make them RWD- they just lock the center diff and they're good to go.

do you know anything about subarus?

the engine is already setup like RWD
it just has output shafts coming out the of tranny.
think about it, pulleys in the front, crankshaft front to back, not side to side.

evos on the other hand, are setup like a FWD 4cyl. thats why team orange turned the engine

[illxs14]

it was dope to see it out there sliding around. but i kind of expected more out of it..



give gush a little more time.. he'll get it.

[Z33dori]

Gushi should have just went back to a S13

[fbiphil]

do you know anything about subarus?



Yes, that's why I mentioned that they DON'T need to be turned to make them RWD...

Glad to hear they got the Scion to pass tech- even though I'm loyal to the S-chassis, I think it's good for the sport to see some diversity- and I'm not talking about an old wooden ship used during the Civil war!

[Z33dori]

well they could have made it less gay looking...


but yea drifting needs some more car diversity

[smelly240]

^^^

dont talk out your ass.


wtf - there ARE mr2's with Beams motors in them

my friend got one in his rear clip a few years ago.

[SlideAlliance]

wtf - there ARE mr2's with Beams motors in them

my friend got one in his rear clip a few years ago.

Yes they did, but only in the 98 MR2's if I remember correctly.

[s14_legend]

cars starting to grow on me more and more...could have done a little better in the external area...but all its something unique