why do some people run no powersteering

[oksunday]

just wondering why some people run no powersteering?
is it to get more power out of the engine or for just for the feeling:2f2f:

[joshchewuhh]

i guess people do it to feel the car/road better

i myself wanna keep it cause its a bitch without it

but some people like it!

[johngriff]

Not having power steering is an obvious sign of fail.

If you are trying to save power, you aren't running enough boost.

If you think you are a better driver without it, you should consider:

http://i32.photobucket.com/albums/d2/vonendorphin/anhero.jpg

[leveloneae86]

i remembered that alot of honda people who built their cars had no ps back then and figured that they drag race alot and dont use it for dd alot? i duno

[Kwonza Says]

They do the Sr swap on a SOHC and the PS lines isnt long enuff and they have no $$ to do em because the SR swap took all the $$ hahah this is what my buddy is goin through : )

[allntrlundrgrnd]

to gives their arms a workout while driving

[bigOdom1]

on a very light car its easy to turn above 10mph.

[HalveBlue]

Because they're dumb or can't afford/find the parts to make power steering work.

Anyone that gives you some line about "road feel" is an idiot. Driving without PS is annoying. The steering rack on a PS equipped vehicle is not designed to be driven without the pump lubricating the rack. Bad things can happen if you drive without the PS connected for a long time.

I drove without PS on my car for about a year because I'm a fucking moron and reverse connected the PS hard lines on the rack. I hated it. Every single fucking minute of it.

[d*star180]

Im driving without PS right now(sohc ka to s14sr swap). And fuck road feel. This shit blows and i cant wait to get that shit sorted out. I see no advantages to it except maybe for real road race cars that need more direct turn in on a high speed road course or something.

[ak_slick]

I have driven with and without. It doesn't bother me because I used to rally jeeps, so no power steering isn't a workout plus I am a fairly muscular person. But there is no benefit to it unless all you are doing is drag racing. If you don't have e pump for some reason or a bracket and don't want to take the time or money it is fine, but if you have a ka I really can;t see any logical reason for running without it.

Honestly you can feel the road just as good with power steering as without it. Possibly a minuscule difference but nothing significant cept when you hit a pot hole at a weird angle and instead of ripping the steering wheel out of your hands it just makes a little jolt. Moral of the post: If you can Run Power Steering.

[eastcoastS14]

lol back in highschool a buddy of mine had a civic hatch with a super stiff clutch and no PS...it was decent at speed, but holy shit it took a lot of strength to take corners slow

[homeslice]

unless your drag racing! i dont understand why some idiots run no powersteering! dosent make you a better driver! just makes you the bigger idiot!

[ALEXTHESUS*PECT]

drifters don't usually take it out, but auto-xers do for the feel of the road. it also gives you faster feedback from your tires as you do turn; there is no buffer between you and the wheels, like if you had the power steering pump and system. horse power gains would be way too small to even notice. drifters don't do it, cuz they would need to turn the wheel so many more times initiating, and then go full lock all the way back to counter steer. not a good choice for drifters, but like i said alot of auto-xers swear by it.

[89singlecamnoob]

like my LT. used to say when i was workin' fire...work smarter, not harder

no PS = fail

[specialk2003]

if you have a ka I really can;t see any logical reason for running without it.[/B]

You can't run without power steering on a dual cam. The same belt also runs the water pump.

I had an issue with my pump, and was going to just remove the belt until I could get it taken care of, but like I said, the same belt runs the water pump on a dual cam (not sure on a single cam or not, don't know hardly anything about those things).

[hondanissan]

no power steering on a light car is great, but on a heavy ass car...its a negative. i drive a crx as a dd w/o ps and it feels great. both on the street and in the canyons. its alot more responsive than my s14...but then again, my suspension on my crx is alot more aggressive. without ps, it does and i repeat, it does give you a better feel of the road. your steering is more predictable.

[WagDatto]

Because my car is almost 37 years old and they didn't offer Power Steering. And cuz my steering box is epic failz.

[ak_slick]

specialk2003 (http://www.zilvia.net/f/member.php?u=48445) trust me you can get around and just run a belt for the water pump without the power steering.

[blownmotor]

Because some people want a workout while they drive and have buff ass arms as the result of it

[infinitexsound]

because they pretend to drive a real race car in the city streets.
they like to tell everyone hey look at me i can drive a car with no PS.
they lack the parts to finish the PS during a swap.
they assume that with no PS they can feel the road better.
if real race cars have no PS they should do the same. <this is btw not true.

all of the above is appropriate for an answer to you question.

[Andrew Bohan]

specialk2003 (http://www.zilvia.net/f/member.php?u=48445) trust me you can get around and just run a belt for the water pump without the power steering.

except that the ps pump acts as the tensioner for that belt, so you'd have to rig up some other tensioner for it, and keep the same belt.

[khoadogg]

love power steering. it's not so bad w/o on light lil honda's but our big 'ol pigs need it! i can't imagine driving an sc w/o it.

[brndck]

alot of ae86 guys switch to no p/s, but that car is light enuf that you don't need it. (also the non-p/s rack gives more angle) s-chassis is too heavy to be without it. i don't see any benefit to not having p/s on an s-chassis unless ur full time drag racing.

[d*star180]

This is an honest question, has anyone ever experienced actual drifting at an event with no PS in an S chassis? I might not have time to get all my shit sorted out before the next event and might have to show up without it.
It sucks major ass as far as street driving and such go, but ive yet to experience it under hard driving. Im thinking it might even be impossible to put down a solid run with multiple switchbacks and such without it.
Anybody have actual experience with a situation like that?
Sorry to go a bit off-topic here but yeah, still sort of on topic.

[bo2o]

i know civics some times get rid of it because its dangerous. they spin out on freeway because of ps.

but thats civics.
ps on s chassis ftw i drove a sr with out one. that thing sucks ass!

[Mr.James]

i drove a ka for 2 years without ps, and have had my sr without ps for almost 3 years...i feel alot safer driving fast without ps, its tooooo easy to create understeer with ps, in my opinion.... as for not being able to afford the parts, this is not my case...i have a full RHD clip with everything needed to have ps...but personally, i like it for parking, but thats about it!

[speedgod^s13]

i drove a ka for 2 years without ps, and have had my sr without ps for almost 3 years...i feel alot safer driving fast without ps, its tooooo easy to create understeer with ps, in my opinion.... as for not being able to afford the parts, this is not my case...i have a full RHD clip with everything needed to have ps...but personally, i like it for parking, but thats about it!

I've driven my 13 for 2 years with no power steering. Besides parking, I love it.

[alexander500]

I just took the power steering pump off of my Track only drift car this weekend, because I want to see what it feels like. I don't understand why people say you fail or will hate it and then can't explain, in logical terms, why. So I am going to try it for my self, and if I done like it, i'm going to install an electric P/S pump.

[fliprayzin240sx]

The previous owner of my S14 took it out. He said he didnt like the feel of the car when the rear end would let loose. Man, its a 350whp car, if he only stopped driving like a fucking idiot day in/day out, it wouldnt be a damn issue. I shit you not, this guy drove this car like he fucking stole it.

Almost a year later, I finally got all the parts together and put the PS back in. I <3 Powersteering after driving for a whole year in Japan, trying to park a 3000 lbs car in tiny ass japanese parking spaces thats half as wide as the states.

[SHIFT_*grind*]

I like how the Honda guys advertise the lack of power steering like it's a fucking upgrade. "NO PS!!! NO A/C!! I AM SO MAN!" Fuck that.

[89fastback]

i run no power steering cause i cant afford the pump and couldnt get the bracket locally

[s14_legend]

seroiusly...its just pointless to run without powersteering on a street driven car

[Koopa Troopa]

I personally don't like it. It's my personal preferance...

[txrxs]

This is an honest question, has anyone ever experienced actual drifting at an event with no PS in an S chassis? I might not have time to get all my shit sorted out before the next event and might have to show up without it.
It sucks major ass as far as street driving and such go, but ive yet to experience it under hard driving. Im thinking it might even be impossible to put down a solid run with multiple switchbacks and such without it.
Anybody have actual experience with a situation like that?
Sorry to go a bit off-topic here but yeah, still sort of on topic.

Funny you might ask this. I've experienced this first hand this past weekend. At whatever cost, get your power steering setup completed.

Unlike what you mentioned, I really don't have an issue with street driving the car with no ps. On the track the car was a handful. It's really hard to put into words, but basically it was like re-learning to drift. I'd strongly suggest you try to get it sorted out because it could really put a damper on your day if you're expecting to put down solid runs.

[alexander500]

You can't run without power steering on a dual cam. The same belt also runs the water pump.

I had an issue with my pump, and was going to just remove the belt until I could get it taken care of, but like I said, the same belt runs the water pump on a dual cam (not sure on a single cam or not, don't know hardly anything about those things).
I run no P/S on my KA24DE. I run an inline electric water pump and block off plate also

[lazierhobo]

there is a huge difference between running no PS and having a manual rack. all those old hondas and 86s have manual racks. driving a manual rack is a whole lot easier than an S chassis without a PS pump.

as far as i know, there arent any manual rack options for the S chassis....does anyone know differently?

[DRFTSAINT]

I run no ps on my daily sr swapped 1993 s13, and I have no problems with it what so ever... Even with my 17's its easy to turn from a roll, from a stop yeah any vehicle would be hard... If you aren't strong enough to turn the car without ps then you need to hit the gym, because an s-chassis isn't that heavy... Or you could buy one of those knobs truckers put on their steerings wheels, and make it easier that way... And before it being said, I have the parts to make mine have ps and I have more than enough money to buy the parts if I didn't...
And I took the ps out of my 1995 Civic Si hatch, because it spun out on me very easily in the rain on the highways...

[SHIFT_*grind*]

There's a difference between not being strong enough to turn the wheel manually, and not wanting to have to wrestle your car around corners. I've driven a '47 Plymouth Special with a 3 on the tree and no P/S without too much trouble, it doesn't mean I want to do it every day.

[godzillarb]

The reason I'm not running it is because the belt would be in the way of my 2 12" puller fans and shroud (RB26). I might try to relocate the pump so the belt isn't in the way or shove the fans farther forward, but meh, I've got better things to do for the time being.

[steve shadows]

just wondering why some people run no powersteering?
is it to get more power out of the engine or for just for the feeling:2f2f:

Because they hate life

[Koopa Troopa]

My friend's 32 GTR with 50/50 AWD and some wicked ass 2 way diffs is a blast to drive without power steering...:rofl:

[idahotuner]

my car doesnt have PS when i bought it. and i just havent looked into getting it. but it works fine for me with out it. parking can be a little tricky but once you get moving it is fine. it might be a little tougher now that i am running wider wheels in the front but before i had 18s and i maneged to get around.

but it does make you get tired driving alot faster

[loganmbyers]

i know a lot of guys who street race and they take it off cuz they dont want to make fast movements at high speeds. at higher speeds it is a lot smoother changing lanes and turning without power steering. i personally dont have it cuz i blew the pump and havent had the money to get a new one

[gotta240]

I shit you not, this guy drove this car like he fucking stole it.
.


ummmm. Is there any OTHER way to drive a s14? If so, please do inform me!


Not that i'd want to run no ps, but try turning 35" tires with no ps!!! Thats a BITCH... Gotta ask the passenger for help when parking! lol

[jackjack]

Funny you might ask this. I've experienced this first hand this past weekend. At whatever cost, get your power steering setup completed.

Unlike what you mentioned, I really don't have an issue with street driving the car with no ps. On the track the car was a handful. It's really hard to put into words, but basically it was like re-learning to drift. I'd strongly suggest you try to get it sorted out because it could really put a damper on your day if you're expecting to put down solid runs.


tr's my hero :boink:


but yeah. i've tried it before as well. pump was shot. it sucked..... big time.

[johngriff]

there is nothing like forcing the front wheels lock to lock mid drift to change direction. A non power steering car isn't going to do that.

More than likely a car w/o a power steering cooler isn't going to last a while weekend doing that.

[slow40sx]

i figured people just ran no ps because 240 high pressure lines are garbage and always end up leaking, i know i'm on my 2nd line right now... and its leaking haha but i could give a fuck i drove around for to long without it i never want to get rid of it PS ftw:bigok:

[DataXUnknown]

They do the Sr swap on a SOHC and the PS lines isnt long enuff and they have no $$ to do em because the SR swap took all the $$ hahah this is what my buddy is goin through : )

yup, shit sucks..

[steve shadows]

I did no power steering for almost 3 years on the old car.

I hated it.

Soo much better now, leaks and all haha.

Going to grab a cooler (should finish off the car on the mech side of things)

[Def]

I went about 2 years without PS, and it wasn't an issue except trying to pick up that last tenth of speed on the track. It definitely would make me a bit more tired after about 100 miles on track per day.

On the street I never had an issue in the slightest with it. The trick is to bleed the fluid out of the rack so it's not fighting you - feels alot like a manual rack at that point.


I hooked it back up, and I'm not a huge fan of the lack of feel our overboosted PS systems give, but it's no that hard to drive around. I have a small 320mm wheel and that helped bring back a little bit of feel.

[CSil80]

there is a huge difference between running no PS and having a manual rack. all those old hondas and 86s have manual racks. driving a manual rack is a whole lot easier than an S chassis without a PS pump.

as far as i know, there arent any manual rack options for the S chassis....does anyone know differently?

There are manual rack options, but they can be pricey due to being custom made.

http://www.zilvia.net/f/showthread.php?t=171644

[Mi Beardo es Loco]

I'm contemplating going with ps or not. I have a work vehicle so it's a w/e driver. I was leaning towards not getting it because my old Del Sol didn't have it and it wasn't a problem. I'm going to try not having it on and try someone's who has it on and see what I like better track time. This might be a stupid question but do the pros drive with or without it? Is it more of a preference for them or is it pretty much a given that they do/do not have it on?

[SDS13COUPE]

This is an honest question, has anyone ever experienced actual drifting at an event with no PS in an S chassis? I might not have time to get all my shit sorted out before the next event and might have to show up without it.
It sucks major ass as far as street driving and such go, but ive yet to experience it under hard driving. Im thinking it might even be impossible to put down a solid run with multiple switchbacks and such without it.
Anybody have actual experience with a situation like that?
Sorry to go a bit off-topic here but yeah, still sort of on topic.


I've dd my S13 w/o p.s. and have no issues with it. I have been doing this for over 3 years and no problem. When I slide the only thing I really notice is drifting faster (3rd or 4th gear) is a little harder. I might put it back just because of that. 1st and 2nd gear drifting is ok. I personally feel more comfortable when driving without it. My other coupe has it and it feels weird when I drive it. Idk, the OP should just try it. If you don't like it switch it back. GL.

[sheepo]

the ppl that i know that remove the power steering its not for road feel at all.
1) to cut more weight out of the car for track use
2) the power steering fluid can overheat when the engine bay temps reaches a certain temp which causes the driver to have a worsening feel towards steering response but I can understand this for track, not for street use unless your doing touges for 1 - 2 hours straight

edit : typos

[kawika219]

This is an honest question, has anyone ever experienced actual drifting at an event with no PS in an S chassis? I might not have time to get all my shit sorted out before the next event and might have to show up without it.
It sucks major ass as far as street driving and such go, but ive yet to experience it under hard driving. Im thinking it might even be impossible to put down a solid run with multiple switchbacks and such without it.
Anybody have actual experience with a situation like that?
Sorry to go a bit off-topic here but yeah, still sort of on topic.
that shit is FAIL! for me anyways...i had a HICAS s13 and swapped an SR into it and i didnt have P/S for a little while. when i went sliding the fucking wheel became a bitch to turn, at one point i ad my friend pull the ebrake to correct me haha. however, it did teach me to take better lines because once i pitched it sideways i was barely able to make any corrections with the wheel

[3-240's-N-aMule]

2 years no p/s. Its less likely to oversnap. I feel safer when i driver at high speeds. Plus with no power steering its easier to feel when your car is about to break its traction limits when taking a turn at high speeds(not drifting). Oh yeah, plus you feel the road better like when you have ps and you've been hydro'in on a wet road for the past 100 yards and didnt even know it cuz you couldnt feel it. You'd feel all of that shit with no p/s.

[steve shadows]

I wish there was a manual rack maker locally.

I would pay for fab and everything. I hate fluid

[TougeLabs]

Cause most ppl dont have the baller mr2 hydro electric power steering pump...:)

[Risu2112]

I've been running my S13 without PS for about a year now, it's not much more difficult to drive than my old roommates 06 lotus elise, and considerably easier than my dad's 86 toyota pick up. I wouldn't recommend for drifting or anything, but I'd say it's far easier to perceive traction threshold without PS like the others are saying.

I don't really think it's better, just different, there's something really satisfying about the the extra resistance from the wheel whether or not it's actually beneficial. =\

<3

[Jed_Atreides]

I got a S14 with 18x8.5 all around and had the PS belt broken for a week. It's a bitch and the only feel I got was the burning sensation in my arms, nothing of the road.

[98koukile]

I'm glad on the second page someone finally brought up the manual rack. Civics lock to lock is much much less than a 240, its a breeze to drive a civic without ps

[jspaeth]

Because they're dumb or can't afford/find the parts to make power steering work.

Anyone that gives you some line about "road feel" is an idiot. Driving without PS is annoying. The steering rack on a PS equipped vehicle is not designed to be driven without the pump lubricating the rack. Bad things can happen if you drive without the PS connected for a long time.

I drove without PS on my car for about a year because I'm a fucking moron and reverse connected the PS hard lines on the rack. I hated it. Every single fucking minute of it.

+1 for being honest and hating on yourself

[sblack13]

yeah only reason is..

they are too cheap or lazy to have it hooked up!!

driving without ps on the rack will kill your rack in no time.

[Andrew Bohan]

my friend drove for about 3 years with no ps, then he finally put it in and it was fine.

[exitspeed]

I've been contemplating removing my PS. It leaks like a MF.

After reading this thread I'm still kinda up in the air. This is my DD, and I went w/o PS in my hatch for a while and it sucked.

Guess I'll just try and fix the leak.

[mademedoit]

to gives their arms a workout while driving
Ha ha this is the main reason I took out my power steering also taking 30lb off the front of the car making it closer to 50/50 weight balance is nice. You got to do it the right way and get all the fluid out and loop the rack together (I used a small hose and siliconed it to the rack). The only down side is when you get some fast food and have to hold your drink with one hand and steer out of a tight parking space with the other. I find that when I try and drift :2f2f: the steering gets very light so no problems their, its easier to drive the s13 without ps than my last car a 90 da integra which was lighter but had more of a 60/40 balance. I had no problems doing 360's and ebrake turns with the teg. , if you hit a large pot hole with one of the front tires and don't have a firm grip on the wheel it will pull you in that direction but its part of the increaced road fealing you get so be ready:eek3d: .

[spool_sample]

I've been contemplating removing my PS. It leaks like a MF.

After reading this thread I'm still kinda up in the air. This is my DD, and I went w/o PS in my hatch for a while and it sucked.

Guess I'll just try and fix the leak.

Just fix it. :p

The only reason people REALLY remove/don't use PS is because something on it broke and they are too cheap to fix it.

The people who play "race car" are funny, though, since a lot of race cars run PS.

[mademedoit]

Just fix it. :p

The only reason people REALLY remove/don't use PS is because something on it broke and they are too cheap to fix it.

The people who play "race car" are funny, though, since a lot of race cars run PS.
How about a Mclaren f1 that car doesn't even have power brakes, my favorive sports car the f40 doesn't have ps. The ps on my old integra and 240 were perfectly fine before I removed them.:mephfawk: