The real performance....

[ny180sx]

Hi! guys.....
I know that u guys will upset with my question...
But i already researched about this.. but there aren't enough information about this.. so i post it again..
Would you please answer my question for last..
I condering to buy AGX W/Ground Control Coil over kit or AGX W/Sportline..
Which one do you guys think better works with my 1990' 240sx..
For the real performance.. not for the show...
I can't decide... Which one more stiff??
I appreciate ur answer....
I'll post my pic after I install the sus... thank you..

[hookedup240]

I have sportlines with agx's on my 91 and i am happy with them.  The car sits pretty low and you might have problems with camber like i did since there are no camber kits made for s13's.  But performance wise they are great for handling i did notice a huge difference in turning after i got them put on especially with low profile tires and rims.  But other than that, that's it.
But i'm not really sure about ground controls never rode in a car with them.

[240 2NR]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (hookedup240 @ Nov. 06 2002,4:07)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">I have sportlines with agx's on my 91 and i am happy with them. &nbsp;The car sits pretty low and you might have problems with camber like i did since there are no camber kits made for s13's. &nbsp;But performance wise they are great for handling i did notice a huge difference in turning after i got them put on especially with low profile tires and rims. &nbsp;But other than that, that's it.
But i'm not really sure about ground controls never rode in a car with them.</td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'>
Do eccentric bushings, camber plates, and adjustable control arms not count as camber correcting devices availbale for the S13?

Also, the Rear multilink suspension has small adjustments built in for toe and camber angles.

In terms of performance I'd stay away from sportlines or prokits for the S13. &nbsp;The sportlines are too low without enough stiffness to control hard cornering. &nbsp;The prokits have been used successfully by many S14 owners, but anyone I know personally was unhappy with the drop on an S13. &nbsp;They even claim it made the car ride taller.

[LanceS13]

ProKits are, eh...ok for street/autox application. &nbsp;They do lower the car about an inch, which isn't much. &nbsp;I've only seen one case where the car was actually raised (was it camppain?). &nbsp;The car doesn't appear to drop much b/c the old OEM suspension is sitting lower than it did right off the assembly line 10 years ago. &nbsp;They very tolerable on the street.
If you're a handling junky and don't want to spring for full blown coilovers and don't mind a pretty harsh ride on the street, I tentatively suggest KGMM S21 Super Sports (tentatively b/c I haven't autox'd on them yet, but they feel good so far...I'll give a review after my next autox on the 16th). &nbsp;My main concern with them is suspension travel (or lack of)...so far they seem stiff enough to keep me off the bumpstops. &nbsp;I can already tell the car is more balanced than with the ProKits. &nbsp;
I don't have experience with GC's, but they're probably better than the ProKits. &nbsp;The spring rates will be linear and stiffer and you can go a little lower. &nbsp;But be careful not to lower the car too much b/c the GC's, being just sleeves, don't have the luxury of a short stroke strut (say that five times fast <img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/tounge.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':p'> ) for extra suspension travel.

[SilviaDriver]

i have sportlines and koni adjustables and im very happy with it. the sportlines dotn give u a ground rubbing look juss a small drop and the shocks are awsome i love em. slight body roll but nothing to be bothered with..some bars will take that away

[hookedup240]

240 2nr- What i meant was actual camber kits made by eibach, and stuff that's not gonna cost me $300 total to fix it

[LanceS13]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (hookedup240 @ Nov. 07 2002,1:37)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">240 2nr- What i meant was actual camber kits made by eibach, and stuff that's not gonna cost me $300 total to fix it</td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'>
Eccentric camber bolts for the front are under $40. &nbsp;Offset bushings from Whiteline for the rear are $60. &nbsp;That's $100 to fix camber...not $300. &nbsp;Now you could spring for camber plates for the front (~$250) and adjustable UCA's for the rear (~$300), but that's optional...although a better approach IMO.

[hookedup240]

Lance- that's what i meant the expensive stuff to really fix it the right way as in the control arms.

Q. &nbsp;Doesn't having messed up camber give you better handling?