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[Evil S14]

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posted by razzbury 10/24/02, 11:40 am

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Study up dude! Your KA24 can only take 350-375 reliable HP if you're lucky. An SR20 can take well over 400HP reliably. >KA24 truck motor<--->>>SR20DET=racing motor<<< Hmmm... The SR20 has wayyy stronger internals! Why risk blowing a motor? Why do you think so many people make the swap? Reliability & strength. Do it right the first time. Right? I'm just tryin' to help you out. Anyway, I really like the car. "Sweet Ride!" Nissan 'til I die!


posted by bub180jp 10/29/02, 11:12 pm
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Well I think you are a fool if you think that stateside engine is better than an SR. Anyways nice looking ride. Checkout mine.


posted by 240sxmex 11/1/02, 1:36 pm
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Hey man nice car nice rims and all but, AHAHAHAHA!! MAN YOU GOT CLOWNED ON BY SOME PREVIOUS POSTERS AND I DON'T EVEN HAVE TO SAY ANYTHING ABOUT THAT! SO YEAH MAN HIT THE BOOKS OR SOMETHING AND FIGURE IT OUT FOR YOURSELF THAT SWAPS ARE BETTER THAN YOUR KA24! SO LATE PEACE AND IF I MET YOU ON THE STREET WITH MY 240 YOU WOULD EAT MY DUST NO OFFENSE! YEAH VIVA NISSAN!


Funny thing is the last guy doesnt even have a car posted on there... he seems real mature... prob some 16 year old kid, i hope he is on here <img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/laugh.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':laugh:'>



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[BadMoJo]

ignorant bastards

[misnomer]

hehehe, that's some funny shit. . . post the URL and you'll prolly get thirty replies from zilvia <img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/tounge.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':p'>

[Red89AllStockBiotch]

come on peoples, they are obviously so right that you can't comprehend the correctness of it and therefore it looks wrong to you..hmmm..??

[DSC]

I hate everybody. &nbsp;I'm so sick of all these lamers who read shit in magazines and think it's the only way to go. <img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/mad.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':angry:'>

[MasterOFDrift]

I hear ya DSC there are so many fad wannabe sr20det'ers. They think they know everything because they read scc. All the magazine has all the ricers and wannabe's hopped up on fake info. and there are a lot of ricers and wannabes in my area. their mentality is sr20det is fast sh*t better then anything and KA24(d)e = truck engine &nbsp;<img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/mad.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':angry:'> &nbsp;gets me so angry and annoyed. I don't even want to argue with them cause it is so pointless &nbsp; <img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/dozingoff.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':zzz:'> &nbsp;<img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/butbut.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':but:'> &nbsp;<img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/cry.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':cry:'> &nbsp;<img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/baaa.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':baaa:'>

[revat619]

you guys think thats bad, i was changing my oil at my school auto shop and my hood was up. this guy walks over and says "are you gonna do anything to the engine?" i tell him yeah, that im saving up to turbo charge it. he then proceeded to tell me that it was bad to turbocharge DOHC cars and that i was gonna blow up my engine. He said that i should either supercharge it or GET AN SR20DET!!! i just shut up after that. I guess the twin turbo Skyline, Supra, RX-7, 3000GT VR-4, and 300ZX were all acts of automotive insanity <img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/hmmm.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':hmmm:'>[email protected]



Dang now that i think of it, i should've asked him for the directions to racewars. He probably knew. Dang and i know everybody on here is just dying to know too....

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[flipboi13]

Yeah, I kinda like the attention silvias are getting, but all these guys jumping off the Honda bandwagon or what-not are pissing me off. &nbsp;I was playing an online game the other day, and since I have the name Nissan in my name some kid tells me he has a silvia with a s13 engine in it. &nbsp;Then he gives me this story about how he has to "reinforce the frame because it has too much torque" LOL, we had alot of fun flaming that kid out.

[wpayne]

Yeah, there are a lot of people shifting over from Honda's. I think it's because they always hear that the GTR is the holy grail of cars and from the publicity the 240 gets in magazines now, the 240 is sort of a stepping stone into the Nissan world for them.

[gabossie]

Unfortunately, I have some friends that are kind of like that. Whenever I talk about turbocharging my KA, they say things like: "Man, just go with the JDM SR, it's sick!" I am slowly trying to edumicate them...very slowly. These aren't little rice boys either, it's just ignorance. Just remember, "Ignorance can be fixed, stupid is forever" &nbsp;<img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/alien.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':alien:'>

[S14_tat]

i know i'm goin to get flamed for this. but in my opinion, i find the SR to be a superior motor. even though it honestly is over rated. but as we all know that nissan motors all stands for soemthing

RB = Race bred
SR = sport race? or seomthing liek that like
KA = that i have no clue. but all i know was that when that engine was originally blue printed, they had no intention of making that motor into a racing motor at all. sure it responds extremely well to mods, and its got good torque. but its block is still brittle and so are in its internals. i know the SR's alumium block is weaker, but atleast it has forged internals. thats why it has the R in the block designation. it honestly is a very well built motor much like the RB or the 2JZ GTE. if you look at the cam profiles for the KA, it has low duration so it doens't want to rev. nissan never bothered to just put much hotter cams into our engines.*i think the 91's had the longest duration and lift?* but its still not that great, thats why its not as rev happy in stock form. i'm pretty sure that you guys would agree with me that the tach goes no where once you hit 2nd and 3rd gear. sure its got torque but thats the nature of a long stroke engine that was originally made for a nissan hard body pick up. but don't get my wrong. the KA is still good motor, you can get noticable gains from just bolt ons, but it does have it weaknesses. my .2 cents *dodging flaming rock*

[Evil S14]

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[BadMoJo]

No


RB and SR dont stand for "race bred" or "whateverthefuck"

They are just codes, noithing more.

[Evil S14]

VG= Very Good
KA= Kick Azz <img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/hehe.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':hehe:'> &nbsp;<img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/laugh.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':laugh:'> &nbsp;<img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/tounge.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':p'>

[Kreator]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (S14_tat @ Nov. 05 2002,10:55)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">i know i'm goin to get flamed for this. but in my opinion, i find the SR to be a superior motor. even though it honestly is over rated. but as we all know that nissan motors all stands for soemthing

RB = Race bred
SR = sport race? or seomthing liek that like
KA = that i have no clue. but all i know was that when that engine was originally blue printed, they had no intention of making that motor into a racing motor at all. sure it responds extremely well to mods, and its got good torque. but its block is still brittle and so are in its internals. i know the SR's alumium block is weaker, but atleast it has forged internals. thats why it has the R in the block designation. it honestly is a very well built motor much like the RB or the 2JZ GTE. if you look at the cam profiles for the KA, it has low duration so it doens't want to rev. nissan never bothered to just put much hotter cams into our engines.*i think the 91's had the longest duration and lift?* but its still not that great, thats why its not as rev happy in stock form. i'm pretty sure that you guys would agree with me that the tach goes no where once you hit 2nd and 3rd gear. sure its got torque but thats the nature of a long stroke engine that was originally made for a nissan hard body pick up. but don't get my wrong. the KA is still good motor, you can get noticable gains from just bolt ons, but it does have it weaknesses. my .2 cents *dodging flaming rock*</td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'>
Blah. I thought i'd post a reply on this....

Anyways. Nobody says that KA is a sports motor. More to to that i'll admit it's a truck motor. I did some research on it, and got some info on that the design of the engine is very far from what a sports engine should look like. Do i give a shit? No. I'm still gonna turbo my ka. Why? Cuz i want my car to accelerate where i want it and when i want it. Not at 6000rpm. Why? Cuz it's a daily driver. Cmon people, admit, our cars weren't born for drag racing. Ofcourse i respect people who got 400+hp in their 240s. But a domestic will be faster for much cheaper. If we are talking professional track, then yeah, sr is prolly better. But on the street i doubt that sr will outperform the ka. For me, my 240 will be a daily driver for a while. I hope i'll have money some time to do track. And i'm pretty sure as of right now that for me at the track the engine won't matter as much as suspension or my skills..

Finally, i still believe in "no replacement for displacement". It's just seems extremely wrong for me to swap a smaller engine in my car.... Plus it just gets too common to swap an sr in their car. Noone seems to give shit anymore.

SR > KA at the track
KA > SR at the drag and on the street
The second one will matter much more for me than the first.

[gabossie]

Maybe KA= Kick Ass <img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/alien.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':alien:'>

Anyway, I think that the SR was intended more for sport, the KA just happens to have more potential than I think they intended, it just takes a little more work. Anyway, I like them both, and I CERTAINLY don't want to get into a KA vs. SR battle, cause we have seen PLENTY of those. <img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/tounge.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':p'>

[SR20Fastback]

RB= Race Bread... thats golden &nbsp;<img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':D'> &nbsp;<img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/laugh.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':laugh:'>

I suppose its better than if he had put Inbread or something... <img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/tounge.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':p'>

[whateverjames]

KA = Kills All. &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;
KA = Kicks Ass

<img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/whatsthat.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':whatthe:'> nevermind.

[S14_tat]

i'm pretty sure that the RB stands for race bred. i'll look more into it and post the link or quote which ever fact that i saw it at. but i am a hugh skyline GT-R fan so i do read alot on skylines i did remember seeing it somewhere. and its not from an american source i can almost definitly say that. i think its from a new zealand mag. yeah i'm pretty sure. but anyways, i was just tryin to point out that i don't see why people would be hating on the SR's? is it because everyone else praises it so much that no one regonizes the KA anymore? of course a turboed KA will be fast. a turbo anything will be fast. but its more of a preference.but on all stock internals, a SR can handle more boost more reliabley then a stock block KA. at the queens 240 meeting, one of the guys knew someone who had a turboed KA and he blew his block when he was downshifting to get more power as he was racing a M3. i also see a guy around my area who is in Team Minus who has a SR powered RPS13 and he beats the hell out of that engine, and his engine is still running fine and strong. all and all you heard more stories about people blowing turboed KA's then people blowing SR's, &nbsp;i would take an overly squared motor such as the VQ, the SR, and the RB, over a long stroke motor anyday. but like i said. its only a personaly preferrence.

[sykikchimp]

The only people I care about calling RB-Race Breed, etc.. &nbsp;is NISSAN.. unless nissan told you this, it is a lie, and simply conjecture. &nbsp;

Do not put your view of reliability on the local guys around you who you heard blew up motors. &nbsp;Any motor will blow up if pushed beyond it's limits, especially when circumstances cause it. &nbsp;such as bad fuel control, or a mis-shift, etc. &nbsp;I've heard opf SR's blowing 2 days after installation, and KA's lasting 3years at 12psi and up everyday, still running strong. &nbsp;It's all relavent.

I will give you that in stock form the SR will handle about 50 more hp safely. &nbsp;Also the KA also has the same componants forged as the SR. &nbsp;s14's even have oil piston squirters, and all the other goodies that make a good cool running turbo motor. And the KA is brittle??? &nbsp;WTF? &nbsp;where the hell did you get that notion? &nbsp;I threw a rod in my old KA24E (oil starvation.. &nbsp;I wasn't paying attention), completely obliterated the rod, &nbsp;barely a scratch on the block.

Also, Cam duration has nothing to do with revability. &nbsp;It will help you support power in the higher revs, but actual revability of the engine is based on stroke, and balance. &nbsp;longer duration cams don't help as much as you think. &nbsp;in turbo motors, the air is gonna be forced in either way, and longer duration usually means some overlap will occur.. obviously not what you want in a turbo motor.

Also in the US, for the same initial investment, the KA WILL produce more power than the SR, and be faster, just for the fact that you will start out with a bigger turbo. &nbsp;there is no upgrading turbo's b/c you start with the big turbo.

Honestly anyone who says the KA is crap immediately after saying that it can "ONLY handle 350hp in stock form is a fucking poser MORON. &nbsp;seriously, how many 4 bangers do you know of that can handle that much power without a rebuild??? &nbsp;the list is probably less than 5.

This being said, I am going with an SR. &nbsp;I plan to use the car on the track a LOT, and I think having an extra 1000 usable rpm will be nice. &nbsp;And, My KA has ~100k miles on it. &nbsp;but too be honest, it's the huge aftermarket support that I want. &nbsp;If the KA had even 1/2 the support the SR did, I would use it. &nbsp;swapping motors is a huge hassle to only get a motor with 50 more hp potential on the stock internals, and have less initial horsepower for the same initial investment.

-Charles

[S14_tat]

finally another friendly user who is talkin to me nicely and who does not make wise ass comment on my assumptions. anyways, you did point out alot of good points about the KA, but like you said later in your post. it would cost more to rebuild a KA and to strenghten the internals then to just swap out the motor. and yes i do know about the design of the bore and the stroke is what determines revability. thats why i would choose a engine would more bore over a engine with more stroke. i'd rather have less power low down so i won't smoke my tires in one spot and lose speed, and then pull really hard up on top where i already have caught good traction. but what i want some of you to know is that i never dogged on the KA. and i know why you people are starting to get feed up with the SR's, but it seems like that after defending the KA's for so long it seems like that you guys are starting to say the KA is the superior motor, when in my opinion they both are good but in different ways. but &nbsp; in my personaly preference i would prefer the style of a high revver.

[bing]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Evil S14 @ Nov. 04 2002,7:45)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Study up dude! Your KA24 can only take 350-375 reliable HP if you're lucky. An SR20 can take well over 400HP reliably. >KA24 truck motor<--->>>SR20DET=racing motor<<< Hmmm...</td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'>
there are several guys running more than 350hp on the KA, Boosted, PSI240sx, etc. i'm sure there are more arent there.

DUY,

to be honest, it's more difficult to come across a privately built high hp SR in north america. or i'm wrong so nevermind

i agree with DSC, i hate everyone too.

[sykikchimp]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (bing @ Nov. 06 2002,12:45)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"></span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Evil S14 @ Nov. 04 2002,7:45)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Study up dude! Your KA24 can only take 350-375 reliable HP if you're lucky. An SR20 can take well over 400HP reliably. >KA24 truck motor<--->>>SR20DET=racing motor<<< Hmmm...</td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'>
there are several guys running more than 350hp on the KA, Boosted, PSI240sx, etc. i'm sure there are more arent there.

DUY,

to be honest, it's more difficult to come across a privately built high hp SR in north america. or i'm wrong so nevermind

i agree with DSC, i hate everyone too.</td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'>
all those people have built up their motors with at least new forged pistons.

[Kreator]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (S14_tat @ Nov. 06 2002,11:32)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">finally another friendly user who is talkin to me nicely and who does not make wise ass comment on my assumptions. anyways, you did point out alot of good points about the KA, but like you said later in your post. it would cost more to rebuild a KA and to strenghten the internals then to just swap out the motor. and yes i do know about the design of the bore and the stroke is what determines revability. thats why i would choose a engine would more bore over a engine with more stroke. i'd rather have less power low down so i won't smoke my tires in one spot and lose speed, and then pull really hard up on top where i already have caught good traction. but what i want some of you to know is that i never dogged on the KA. and i know why you people are starting to get feed up with the SR's, but it seems like that after defending the KA's for so long it seems like that you guys are starting to say the KA is the superior motor, when in my opinion they both are good but in different ways. but in my personaly preference i would prefer the style of a high revver.</td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'>
bla bla bla bla. Nobody knows how tired i'm of this bs. Dude, here is the idea: nobody really gives a crap about what you think. Nobody cares if you think that sr is better than ka. What people give a crap about is posting misinfo or other people taking your words for granted. People who went ka thought long and hard before making a decision. Most people who went sr thought about it for some time too. Except ofcourse rich kids who bought the car and the engine right away just to be jdm. It's all about personall choice. Everyone already knows the bore and stroke issues and the revability. Your rant about sr being better ain't gonna tell anything new...

Now some things for you to think about: Most people don't want more than 300hp. 300hp on a ka is well achievable at 10psi with proper work and some decent tuning. That's a pretty safe level to run at.

And another thing for you to think about: DUY built his 600hp ka (450 turbo + 150 nitrous) for 7-8 grand. Show me an sr that can do the same. More to that, i'm gonna be running the same comparable (meaning resized stuff - eg t3 vs t25 etc) setup that you will get with the stock sr for approximately $2300 with all the brand new parts. And that will still give me 200rwhp vs 205 at the flywheel.

Side note. Anyone else noticing that it's always the sr people that start the argument about engines? You guys need to reassure yourself that you made a right decision going with sr or something?

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">but anyways, i was just tryin to point out that i don't see why people would be hating on the SR's? is it because everyone else praises it so much that no one regonizes the KA anymore?</td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'>
The answer is pretty simple. All the people from outside that try to school us on how sr is better have read too much of these ricey magazines. They have no idea about the potential of the ka. All they know is that sr is cool (cuz it's in the magazines) and that it's jdm. The don't wonna hear bout nothing else. And since we all hate these kids (we call em ricers <img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':D'>) everybody starts flaming them. I'm pretty sure the same would happen if somebody started banging on the sr and saying that ka is a much better way to go. But that is very unlikely, cuz the ka-t wasn't yet featured as a cool engine and it won't ever be jdm &nbsp;<img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/dozingoff.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':zzz:'>

[S14_tat]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Kreator @ Nov. 06 2002,2:55)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">I'm pretty sure the same would happen if somebody started banging on the sr and saying that ka is a much better way to go. But that is very unlikely, cuz the ka-t wasn't yet featured as a cool engine and it won't ever be jdm <img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/dozingoff.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':zzz:'></td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'>
that is also another good point that you made. when i do get a turbo *not anytime soon* i will no plan on making it more then 300 hp. but if i were to go turbo charged my KA with a FMAX stage I or II turbo, i would have to lower my compression right? cuase i think 9.5:1 is kinda high for a turbo engine. that would mean i have to spend money on forged pistons and reduce compression. so overall wouldn't it cost alittle more to turbo a KA then to have a SR swaped in, unless it actually is pretty safe to run 300hp with stock compression, internals and stock head gasket.

[Kreator]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (S14_tat @ Nov. 06 2002,4:24)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"></span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Kreator @ Nov. 06 2002,2:55)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">I'm pretty sure the same would happen if somebody started banging on the sr and saying that ka is a much better way to go. But that is very unlikely, cuz the ka-t wasn't yet featured as a cool engine and it won't ever be jdm <img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/dozingoff.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':zzz:'></td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'>
that is also another good point that you made. when i do get a turbo *not anytime soon* i will no plan on making it more then 300 hp. but if i were to go turbo charged my KA with a FMAX stage I or II turbo, i would have to lower my compression right? cuase i think 9.5:1 is kinda high for a turbo engine. that would mean i have to spend money on forged pistons and reduce compression. so overall wouldn't it cost alittle more to turbo a KA then to have a SR swaped in, unless it actually is pretty safe to run 300hp with stock compression, internals and stock head gasket.</td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'>
Well, the f-max stage I is ofcourse more expensive than engine swap in. I was talking more about custom kits. If you go with f-max stage I - you will be able to run 7psi and nothing more. If you get f-max stage II, you will be able to run whatever you want as long as you are not afraid to blow the car. Meanining the setup in stage II is good enough to bring you up to like 20 psi (then u'd prolly want a bigger turbo), the only thing you will blow the motor by then. The compression is high, but it's not deadly for low/midium psi. The highest registered hp level produced by a KA w/o blowing up was 350rwhp. Ofcourse this is just for a dyno run. Noone is running that daily. But 12 psi is fine for daily driving. It will last, unless you really abuse it. At 12 psi i'm pretty sure you'll get that 300hp mark pretty easily. Plus u can do some different stuff (like say an intake mani) to raise that hp number. It definately depends on how good your engine is though. I for one have very low compression, and will probably find another ka with better one to swap in before i go turbo.

[Apparition]

Someone should post Duy's car. The silver s14 with the ka-t that ran 11's (or high 10's, I can't remember). That'd put a stop to a lot of these kids thinking the SR is the ultimate answer.

[Jeff240sx]

This shit needs to end!
We will not post Duy's old car, cuz a) I think it's dead now, and b) someone will post a Signal s15 or 8-second JDM drag car.
Also, we need to give in to the other side during debates. &nbsp;A turbo for the KA will run about the same as an sr motor. &nbsp;Both the big-ass-turbo KA will run to 12psi safely for about the same price as a SR running 14psi. &nbsp;95Silvia has a 14psi s14 sr20det. &nbsp;260rwhp. &nbsp;12psi KA motor, 300rwhp. &nbsp;
If both sides can agree that both motors max out about here for about the same ammount of cash, then we can move on.
Now, the KA will need an engine rebuild. &nbsp;Throw in $3000 for rods, pistons, cams, decked and o-ringed block, and some headwork. &nbsp;Now your motor will handle whatever you throw at it. &nbsp;Setups pretty much like this have handled 438hp (Chris May). &nbsp;
Now is the "OH MY GOD YOU BUILT UP THE INTERNALS AND NOW YOU SPENT MORE MONEY!" &nbsp;Well.. after the 14psi mark in a sr motor, you'll need a bigger turbo. &nbsp;Uh-oh. &nbsp;That's about $3000 for the Enjuku t3/4 kit. &nbsp;That will net you just over 400rwhp (Greaser). &nbsp;
So, less boost = more power on a KA. &nbsp;Sure, you gotta rebuild the KA, but you gotta get a big-ass turbo for the SR motor. &nbsp;Can't we all just get along?
Also, there are numerous people revving their KA motors past 7k. &nbsp;The SR isn't a "street race" motor. &nbsp;It's not better, either. &nbsp;It all seems to be a myth, because nobody had tested the limits of the KA. &nbsp;Now people like T.Y. have, and the KA doesn't look like a steamy hunk of shit now. &nbsp;
Both motors are equal in their own rights. &nbsp;Torque vs. Revs. &nbsp;Not a huge torque difference, but also, not a huge rev difference. &nbsp;And they cost the same ammount for the same horsepower levels. &nbsp;
Seriously... we should make a new section called "Newbie Nook." &nbsp;We'll have the FAQ section there, and people with less than 100 posts can get all the KA vs. SR debating done that they need to. &nbsp;Then, after 100 posts, they should theoretically have no more urge to discuss this crap.
On a side note, the bottom of the KA is beautiful. &nbsp;Piston oil squirters, and some serious girdles. &nbsp;My domestic friend said they looked exactly like his 4-bolt main on his BB chevy motor.
-Jeff

[S14_tat]

well i didn't really intend for people to end up labeling this thread as a sr vs. ka. i do know each engines strenghts and weaknesses. but its just that now i learned something else new about the KA and i found it to be every interesting. but just becasue i am a newbie in this forum, i frequently visit this forum as a guest for the last year and a half or so, so i know how much you guys hate almost any vs. debate. but i also don't think the more senior members here should have the right to talk to me like i don't know anything. i know that i dno't know everything or too deep into the subjects like for example, experimenting with exact size turbos, or knowin the exact number of duration cams ideal for that specific kind of racing and so on. but i know know what everything does, and can understand most of the really detailed and complicated debates that you have. but i guess that will take more time for me to proof myself to you guys.

[Apparition]

Didn't know his car was dead.

But thanks for the comparison of both engines. <img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':)'>

[Kreator]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Apparition @ Nov. 06 2002,5:41)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Someone should post Duy's car. The silver s14 with the ka-t that ran 11's (or high 10's, I can't remember). That'd put a stop to a lot of these kids thinking the SR is the ultimate answer.</td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'>
10.83

S14_tat, it's just that too many people come on here lately and make assumptions or talk about stuff that they don't know 100% about. Also people don't like when someone says "ka is better" or "sr is better". Both engines are great in their own ways. We know KA wasn't intended to be a performance engine. It just happened that it responds to boost nicely and can withold decent amounts of it.

[TheSparo]

see i think that if u have more money to start with, u shuold go KA-T (of course if u desire) b/c i think it costs more, cuz lets say u get an S13 and it has 175k miles, u cant turbo it then, u would have to rebuild it then turbo it, but if u go sr then all u do is swap, not all but u know wut i mean, so i feel if u have more to begin with go for it, but if your limited on funds in the begining then try sr, which is wut i will do, now this prolly doesnt even makes sense so just forget i posted &nbsp;<img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/tounge.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':p'>

[Jeff240sx]

How the hell did this get in the Polls section? &nbsp;It's going to OT.
-Jeff