who u voten 4?

[BC S14]

billery, obama, other people i dont know. does anyone have any real usefull info? who u voten for? Most people i ask dont care. i know its all over the news but no one has made a good :tweak: point.

[BustedS13]

1.) learn to type plz


2.) http://farm1.static.flickr.com/154/426257381_7086bfa67c.jpg
VOTED FOR IN PRIMARY A+++++++ CANDIDATE WOULD VOTE AGAIN

[TiNMAN]

land of oz? my home?

[BC S14]

ha ha. kansas

[BustedS13]

ha ha. kansas

ahh kansas. open, flat highway begging for triple digit commuting.... and highway patrol EVERYWHERE. kansas highways are such a cock tease :/

[KiLLeR2001]

How about instead we vote to ban you away from these forums forever?

[Phlip]

"Billery"?
If you even for a moment think that is even close to the case, then you have not been paying attention to the "news that it is all over," as you describe it. I know I am not voting if Obama doesn't get the nomination. Not that my vote makes a fucking difference, but I will feel better.

[ruudbwoy]

yeah obama is my home boy too

[BC S14]

just wondering, why ban me? I thought this was an online community where people who drive the 240 can get together. and yeh we've got a 10 mile road right outside of town to belle plain. they dont come unless theyre called.

[yokotas13]

im not voting, noone is anywhere close to anything i approve of

[BC S14]

thats true. id like to keep small arms. doesnt make sence criminals keep em but we dont.

[yokotas13]

it doesn't make sense that your an idiot who can't type....or really spell.

And to think, its people like you that could decide this election. shame

[flip3d]

I'm not voting. I don't like any of the candidates.

[Matej]

http://ulfablabla.free.fr/images/septembre/sego%20sarko/vote/poire%20lavement%20sandwich%20caca.jpg

[SpeedMonkeyInc]

Ron Paul.

Can't win, but still closer to my own politics than anyone else.

[CrimsonRockett]

Honestly, Obama.

But, the fact that there's a high chance that he would probably be assassinated makes me feel terrible.

No, I'm not trying to be racist. I've had this discussion with co-workers plenty of times.

People who still believe in white supremacy still exist in this world(which is terrible).

It really is time for change, but it's a shame that if either win(Obama or Clinton), there's a high chance either one of them would get assassinated.

Sad, but true.

[BustedS13]

Ron Paul.

Can't win, but still closer to my own politics than anyone else.

john mccain is the republican candidate. that isn't going to change, no matter how much 4chan supports your choice.

[eastcoastS14]

obama for yo mama

[BOROSUN]

i dont want to deploy.... VOTE FOR OBAMA!!!

[revat619]

I dont like any of the candidates so i dont know yet. However, McCain will probably end up winning the whole damn thing. Why? The Democrats are shooting themselves in the foot by splitting their own damn party. Not to mention the simple fact that America isnt ready for a black or female president. I'm black and i'm not a sexist, but lets be real, its not gonna happen.

[98s14inaz]

I hate McCain because he flip flops like the rest of them. If RP had a chance in hell I'd vote for him. Obama had a glimmer of hope from me until the Mexican president endorsed him, we know what that means. Hillary is a socialist gun grabber.

I guess I am voting for McCain.

[SimpleS14]

http://i56.photobucket.com/albums/g182/kikboy69696/a902_bm.gif


Obama

[g6civcx]

[redacted]


Obama

I dont like any of the candidates so i dont know yet. However, McCain will probably end up winning the whole damn thing. Why? The Democrats are shooting themselves in the foot by splitting their own damn party. Not to mention the simple fact that America isnt ready for a black or female president. I'm black and i'm not a sexist, but lets be real, its not gonna happen.

All has been said above.

[ESmorz]

BUT McCain looks like an old, dying, retarded hamster =(

[ByeByeSti]

In my honest opinion i hate politics, prob cuz the fact that my uncle is a new hampshire state rep and everytime we have a family get together thats all he talks about, he showed up today on easter and told him lets have one holiday thats not about politics

[ESmorz]

http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y36/AvrilH8er13/mccain.jpg

[LongGrain]

i'm a fan of obama. hopefully he gets the nomination. i didnt get a chance to vote in the primary :(

[BC S14]

ya id go ron pual too. i support the war, no matter why were really there because if we pulled out too soon all hell would break loose. but we really need to take care of our own country first. so every one here would say no to hillary. ha ha. thats good.

[cuddlesthesheep]

http://www.anonymouslawstudent.com/hosbros.jpg

[LongGrain]

ya id go ron pual too. i support the war, no matter why were really there because if we pulled out too soon all hell would break loose. but we really need to take care of our own country first. so every one here would say no to hillary. ha ha. thats good.

i dont know about you, but i'd rather pull out too soon than too late :keke:

sorry, i had to.

[lucky7]

mccain isnt the greatest choice, IMO. but he'll have to do. i am a conservative, throught and through. hillary is a fucking snake.. i wouldnt trust her for anything. obama is just obama. i really dont have any opinion of the guy. despite being a GOP supporter, i somehow, some way secretly hope obama gets the nomination. not because i would prefer him to be the prez. but to see that hillary is not in office. i just dont trust that bitch. shes a snake. i could deal with obama, no doubt. but hillary. i cant explain it, but i just dont trust her.

[ronmcdon]

Honestly, Obama.

But, the fact that there's a high chance that he would probably be assassinated makes me feel terrible.

No, I'm not trying to be racist. I've had this discussion with co-workers plenty of times.

People who still believe in white supremacy still exist in this world(which is terrible).

It really is time for change, but it's a shame that if either win(Obama or Clinton), there's a high chance either one of them would get assassinated.

Sad, but true.

I think there are a lot more ppl who despise bush with a passion, than white supremacists who are intelligent enough to accomplish such an assassination and have the balls to do so. actually it does shock me that there hasn't been any attempts at all on bush. In many ways, W pissed off a lot more ppl than Kennnedy or Reagan.

[lucky7]

W was also put through alot more shit than most presidents. you have to admit, the guy has been through ALOT. hes just had an abundance of shit piled on his plate from almost the beginning. i have no serious quarrels with the guy. hell, i know for a fact shit could be much worse than it is.

[allntrlundrgrnd]

Probably Obama. Im with lucky7 on not trusting hilldog. As far as people saying if Obama makes it into office he will be assasinated, I dont think he has any more of a chance being killed than any other president thats been in office. There will always be people out of their minds, that should'nt affect your decision on who to vote for. my $.02

[ronmcdon]

W was also put through alot more shit than most presidents. you have to admit, the guy has been through ALOT. hes just had an abundance of shit piled on his plate from almost the beginning. i have no serious quarrels with the guy. hell, i know for a fact shit could be much worse than it is.

not say I personally like or dislike W, but he is controversial nonetheless you have to admit. His approval ratings confirm this. I agree he has a lot on his plate, but many A) arn't going to take that into account, B) will hold him responsible regardless.

I don't want to hijack this thread into anything anti-bush, so I'll just leave it at that. I was just expressing my opinion that I really doubt Obama would get assassinated. For better or worse, the disgruntled would-be assassins have not been too diligent as of late. Ppl will continue to complain about this or that, but its unlikely anyone will get knocked off regardless whoever gets elected.

[ronmcdon]

Close tie between McCain and Hillary. The safest bet here would be the Clinton machine for the economy. they did ok back then, and a democratic policy might be better to deal with the inflation. There's also a higher possibly Clinton would nominate someone other than Bernanke (whom I disagree with) for the Fed.

As a moderate myself, ideologically I'd like to pick McCain but I'm not sure if a more conservative economic policy would be best for the country right now.

[evasive_one]

Not like he has a chance or anything but I'm going to have to say Ron Paul.
Maybe I could just write him in on the ballet? haha jk

Obama isn't that bad, but I dunno..

Just can't trust any of them the way I can Ron Paul because of there past Voting history..

[SexPanda]

ah yes, www.tshirthell.com (http://www.tshirthell.com). its a great site.

Im going to get mad neg reps for this. But these are my honest thoughts on the election.

honestly, who ever we vote for and wins, theres only 1 of 2 things that will happen.

A. We get a whole lot better. The bush admin hasnt been the greatest. I dont think it would be too hard to be better than dubya.

B. We get a whole lot worse. The bush admin hasnt been the worst. And before you start calling me a far-right wing nutjob, think about it. What power does the president have compaired to congress?

Obama is SUPER FUCKING LIBERAL. Hillary is pretty liberal too, but Obama is damn near socialist. I dont like his policies on gun control, the economy, the military... Basically everything. But hes a smart, young, nice guy from what everyone says.

Hillary doesnt like dogs. Nuff said.

McCain surrendered. Thats why he spent all that time in vietnam. You never surrender, its against the rules. You fight until you cant fight anymore. That means basically no arms to swing, to teeth to bite. But hes a republican (like that matters, I vote on policy not party). I just dont like too liberal.

basically im not voting.

[ms!3]

McCain, wont see me vote for a democrat.

[aa87]

McCain, wont see me vote for a democrat.

HAHAHA, i knew you would say this you hypocrit.

if you really loved the repubs you would be driving a chevy suburban or a hummer h2 instead of a 4-banger japanese import.

as for me, whoevers going democrat, prefebly obama just on his foreign policy

[ronmcdon]

i have a question for the democrats. why would you vote Obama over Hillary, or vice versa? For those who believe in Obama, what's all this about 'change' he keeps on saying endlessly mean to you? Seems a bit vague to me. Would be great if someone could elaborate this with specifics. I honestly don't see him being that different from other democrats, policy wise. Maybe I am missing something.

[BC S14]

so basically all the people who know about ron pual cant vote. dam media. and i dont think obama would get killed. simply cause i think all the assinations after around 1950 were an inside job. just what i think. meybe due to the technology today is the reason bush isnt dead. that same would work for obama. unless the bush-clinton people want him gone.

[BOROSUN]

why would they kill bush? he's for black gold.


VOTE FOR OBAMA...

[evasive_one]

so basically all the people who know about ron pual cant vote. dam media. and i dont think obama would get killed. simply cause i think all the assinations after around 1950 were an inside job. just what i think. meybe due to the technology today is the reason bush isnt dead. that same would work for obama. unless the bush-clinton people want him gone.

No Ron Paul 08 but there still is the Ron Paul revolution and all of its believers including myself.
Yeah I would say that all the assassinations were inside jobs..

People call me a conspiracy nut but I think who ever that gets elected will be similar if not the same to what we are seeing right now in this country.
All of the candidates are basicly puppets of the NWO..lol (let the flaming begin) but thats just the way I see it.

Ron Paul was our only shot at a some what successful future I think, and just because he gets hardly any air time/media time he never got the chance to get him message or face seen as much as all these other candidates.

At least he didn't waste mad money on the campaign.

Then again if I had to vote for someone I guess I would have to go with Obama because Hill is scandalous and don't get me started on McCain.

As far as repulican vs democrat... Who cares.. It doesn't matter anyways.

I would just like to see the Constitution kept alive.

[BC S14]

OK so
hillary 1
mcain 111
ronpaul if possible 111
undecided or not voting 11111
[borrak obama] ya i aint lookn the shit up, 111111111111, so thats the majority here.

[S13_Nightkid]

ya id go ron pual too. i support the war, no matter why were really there because if we pulled out too soon all hell would break loose. but we really need to take care of our own country first. so every one here would say no to hillary. ha ha. thats good.

Wtf? You're not really making a valid point with that statement but oh well. Oh and hell already broke loose when we arrived.

But back on topic. Def. voting Democrat...Obama most likely IF he gets the nomination....other than that ill just sit this year out.

[BC S14]

i mean hillary wants to pull out.

[jackjack]

http://z.about.com/d/politicalhumor/1/0/e/c/hillary_vader2.jpg

[drftmark]

Its a shame Ron Paul didn't make it all the way. Hes the man. Everyone else pretty much sucks.

[lucky7]

Wtf? You're not really making a valid point with that statement but oh well. Oh and hell already broke loose when we arrived.

i see his point, very clearly actually. its war. and in times of war, giving up is never an option. why would anyone want to replicate another war that occured in our history? you start, you finish. end of list.

mitt romney was my hopefull candidate. that obviously didnt work out though. ill say it again though. hillary is a snake. i wouldnt trust her to tie my shoes correctly. she'd probably tie my laces together and point and laugh when i fell. :down:

[SR240DET]

Ron Paul, he is the only one who seems to know about our “Constitution”. You know, the “ Rule of Law” of our Republic? Who cares though, right? Americans got swindled into socialism.

evasive_one, just because the constitution is kept alive doesn’t mean people are going to play by the rules. Our country is going down the shitter because Washington doesn’t follow “The Rule Of Law”. If they did follow the Constitution we wouldn’t be hearing about how they are going to run our lives.

[KA24DESOneThree]

Writing in Ron Paul, although I don't agree with everything he says.

McCain's a shite.
Obama's far too liberal.
Clinton's a greedy, unscrupulous Clinton.

[evasive_one]

Ron Paul, he is the only one who seems to know about our “Constitution”. You know, the “ Rule of Law” of our Republic? Who cares though, right? Americans got swindled into socialism.

evasive_one, just because the constitution is kept alive doesn’t mean people are going to play by the rules. Our country is going down the shitter because Washington doesn’t follow “The Rule Of Law”. If they did follow the Constitution we wouldn’t be hearing about how they are going to run our lives.

I agree with you 100%

[steve shadows]

I might sit it out (on the presdient)

[ESone3]

McCain will dis-ban the UFC and all MMA enterprises.

Obama foe yo daddy!

[Grendel]

I'm voting for Obama. I just plain don't like Hillary, and McCain is all for the war in Iraq, so screw him.

Iraq:
Bring Our Troops Home: Obama will immediately begin to remove our troops from Iraq. He will remove one to two combat brigades each month, and have all of our combat brigades out of Iraq within 16 months. Obama will make it clear that we will not build any permanent bases in Iraq. He will keep some troops in Iraq to protect our embassy and diplomats; if al Qaeda attempts to build a base within Iraq, he will keep troops in Iraq or elsewhere in the region to carry out targeted strikes on al Qaeda.


I like that. Hope it's for real, and not just campaign bullshit promises.

Drug Offenders:

Obama will give first-time, non-violent offenders a chance to serve their sentence, where appropriate, in the type of drug rehabilitation programs that have proven to work better than a prison term in changing bad behavior.


Rehabilitation instead of incarceration sounds good to me.

I read his stance on gun laws and I don't agree with it 100%. It says he is against semi-automatic weapons. I don't really agree with that, but whatever.

Of the three, I'll go for Obama. I can totally see McCain getting elected though... :(

[98s14inaz]

I'm voting for Obama. I just plain don't like Hillary, and McCain is all for the war in Iraq, so screw him...
Of the three, I'll go for Obama. I can totally see McCain getting elected though... :(

No offense man but that is a bad reason to vote for a candidate. If Obama is elected do you honestly think he will have the power to end this war or even keep his promises?

He is a puppet just like the rest.

[Grendel]

No offense man but that is a bad reason to vote for a candidate. If Obama is elected do you honestly think he will have the power to end this war or even keep his promises?

He is a puppet just like the rest.


Why is it a bad reason to vote for someone? At least Obama is running on the idea of leaving Iraq. McCain is all for staying over there for years.

I'm not a huge fan of any of the candidates but Obama seems like the better choice of the three for me.

[BC S14]

Well we arent fighting a country. we are searching and destroying. and the enemy is not playing by the rules. we are also trying to rebuild a nation so granted its going to take longer than a typical war. and the truth is, if i had a choice to serve in iraq by voting for Mcain, or having my guns that i purchase with my money taken away, it's a small price. and to mention obamas tax sceam. he wants to tax everybodys ira, roth, and 401k to help illegal aliens. that means that that return that that investor promised you that you worked your whole life for, you'll get half. hope you dont live too long. and then hillary and obama want to tax the crap out of your house if its above 2400sq ft. that means lots of people with no homes cause they cant afford them already. also, what about obama's pastor. we all know what he's said. that white america invented drugs, enlarged prisons, and emplimented the three strikes law to take down black america. and that white people are inherintly evil. now i know african americans are treated unfairly. thay still are. but not by all of america. Id say the judges do need to incorperate more mental and true solutions than locking people away. and the police need to serously chill. but we dont say that all islams are evil because a few radicalists attacked us. that would be like bush nukeing all of iraq for a few peoples actions. what we need is an honest leader, who is for the constution, and meets our expectations. thats what george washington wrote that admendment for. in case our government got too fat headed. problem is, people dont think one simple person can change any thing, because the government controls the military. but people like you and me are in the military. and if it's one thing i know, military people love theyre guns and family. personally, im just waiting for my q.

[revat619]

Writing in Ron Paul, although I don't agree with everything he says.

McCain's a shite.
Obama's far too liberal.
Clinton's a greedy, unscrupulous Clinton.

:werd:

Obama just might be the anti-christ. I'm just saying....lol

In all seriousness though, something about Obama doesnt sit right with me. I'm not talking about his uber liberal polices and whatnot, i'm talking about just him in general. I cant quite put my finger on it, but something isnt right. Something about him makes me uncomfortable. And believe it or not my instincts have RARELY if ever been wrong about people.

[SR240DET]

Well we arent fighting a country. we are searching and destroying. and the enemy is not playing by the rules. we are also trying to rebuild a nation so granted its going to take longer than a typical war.

“If Tyranny and Oppression come to this land, it will be in the guise of fighting a foreign enemy.”
“The means of defense against foreign danger historically have become the instruments of tyranny at home.”
“The loss of liberty at home is to be charged to the provisions against danger, real or imagined, from abroad.”
-James Madison

We are rebuilding a nation, while ours is crumbling.


having my guns that i purchase with my money taken away, it's a small price.

“They that can give up essential liberty to purchase a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety.”
Benjamin Franklin, Historical Review of Pennsylvania, 1759

Here are a couple quotes from our Founding Fathers.

Democracies have ever been spectacles of turbulence and contention; have ever been found incompatible with personal security, or the rights of property; and have, in general, been as short in their lives as they have been violent in their deaths.
-James Madison, Federalist No. 10, November 23, 1787

Remember democracy never lasts long. It soon wastes, exhausts, and murders itself. There never was a democracy yet that did not commit suicide.
-John Adams, letter to John Taylor, April 15, 1814

That, as a republic is the best of governments, so that particular arrangements of the powers of society, or, in other words, that form of government which is best contrived to secure an impartial and exact execution of the laws, is the best of republics.
-John Adams, Thoughts on Government, 1776

If we can prevent the government from wasting the labors of the people, under the pretence of taking care of them, they must become happy.
-Thomas Jefferson, letter to Thomas Cooper, Nov 29, 1802

But a Constitution of Government once changed from Freedom, can never be restored. Liberty, once lost, is lost forever.
-John Adams, letter to Abigail Adams, July 17, 1775





anybody who is also part of the Council on Foreign relations doesnt give a fuck about America (mccain,hilary, and obama are loyal members, they are all on the same side)

[98s14inaz]

“If Tyranny and Oppression come to this land, it will be in the guise of fighting a foreign enemy.”
“The means of defense against foreign danger historically have become the instruments of tyranny at home.”
“The loss of liberty at home is to be charged to the provisions against danger, real or imagined, from abroad.”
-James Madison

We are rebuilding a nation, while ours is crumbling.




“They that can give up essential liberty to purchase a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety.”
Benjamin Franklin, Historical Review of Pennsylvania, 1759

Here are a couple quotes from our Founding Fathers.


anybody who is also part of the Council on Foreign relations doesnt give a fuck about America (mccain,hilary, and obama are loyal members, they are all on the same side)

Our founding fathers said those things for a reason. I've been saying this since the primaries started...all the candidates are the same with the same agendas wrapped up in a bunch of superficial crap to get people to the polls. The American people have been divided and fooled into thinking they actually have a choice. RP was the only candidate I feel would have held off the Apocalypse for a while longer but it is too little too late.

Honestly I get tired of saying this kind of stuff all the time. People look at me funny...I feel like the only guy that doesn't see the emporer's new clothes. I'm going to get a good seat and sit this one out. I'll make my stand when they come for my guns, freedoms, and family. Too me McCain appears to be the lesser of three evils.

[98s14inaz]

Why is it a bad reason to vote for someone? At least Obama is running on the idea of leaving Iraq. McCain is all for staying over there for years.

I'm not a huge fan of any of the candidates but Obama seems like the better choice of the three for me.

It is just words. He won't have us out any faster than McCain. Obama is simply playing to the ignorant populace to get them to the polls.

[drifting_changed_mylife]

im voting 4 this guy
http://janedark.com/Marx.jpg

[Bobafreak]

Im still deciding. More than likely ron paul. Even if he does not win I could say i told you so. lol.

[jackjack]

http://uglydemocrats.com/democrats/United-States/Hillary-Clinton/hillary-bill-clinton.jpg

[Omarius Maximus]

I'm gonna sit this election out. I think I'm gonna sit all elections out from now on.

As far as I'm concerned, it's like getting a choice between whole and fat free milk. At the end of the day it's still milk, and the dairy companies will profit regardless.

Elections don't exist to give the people power, I think it's the exact opposite. It's an elaborate ruse conspired by the ruling elite to legitimize their rule. Whether it's Hillary or McCain, they'll get what they want.

I can't really say that they're in the wrong though. The American people/voters can best be described as a fickle mob that really aren't intelligent enough to make decision regarding themselves, let alone a country. When it comes to elections, the mob is easily duped. It's not about economics, budgets, health care, war, retirement...it's about gay marriage, putting a fence on a border, abortion etc. Things that really aren't going to effect 95 percent of people out there end up being talking points on the election trail.

And in all honesty, I have less faith in the general public than I do in corrupt politicians. Perhaps it's better that there is a ruling elite running the country how they see fit. I'd choose them before "the people" when it comes to decision making.

[S13_Nightkid]

:werd:

Obama just might be the anti-christ. I'm just saying....lol

In all seriousness though, something about Obama doesnt sit right with me. I'm not talking about his uber liberal polices and whatnot, i'm talking about just him in general. I cant quite put my finger on it, but something isnt right. Something about him makes me uncomfortable. And believe it or not my instincts have RARELY if ever been wrong about people.

If you read the bible the Antichrist comes from the Middle east not america lol

[98s14inaz]

...The American people/voters can best be described as a fickle mob that really aren't intelligent enough to make decision regarding themselves, let alone a country. When it comes to elections, the mob is easily duped. It's not about economics, budgets, health care, war, retirement...it's about gay marriage, putting a fence on a border, abortion etc. Things that really aren't going to effect 95 percent of people out there end up being talking points on the election trail.

Individuals for the most part are intelligent and are capable of making good decisions. Groups of individuals as a whole are simply retarded. Just like sheeple they do what they are told as they have been trained to do since childhood.

If you read the bible the Antichrist comes from the Middle east not america lol

Barrak Hussein Obama...Middle eastern decent...close enough. I don't care what he says, he prays to Allah three times a day.

[water]

Close tie between McCain and Hillary. The safest bet here would be the Clinton machine for the economy. they did ok back then, and a democratic policy might be better to deal with the inflation. There's also a higher possibly Clinton would nominate someone other than Bernanke (whom I disagree with) for the Fed.

As a moderate myself, ideologically I'd like to pick McCain but I'm not sure if a more conservative economic policy would be best for the country right now.

Worrying about the economy -right now- is not what's best for the country. We should be focusing on 25+ years from now. Market economies naturally fluctuate, whether its a growth recession or an actual recession. This war is not helping either. Currently we're experiencing a growth recession (looking at things from GDP perspective). With the already enormous trade deficit in the USA today (imports account for over 70% of imports/exports), we need a president who can think forward. Someone who understands the importance of going global or we'll shut ourselves out as we did in the 70's and sink ourselves further into debt today. Really this is not a Dem's perspective but if I had to choose between Obama and Clinton - I'd certainly go Obama.

People should be more worried about themselves in this country b/c their spending is outrageous. Over 45% of consumers in the USA spend more than they earn while holding debts in excess of $9k. At the same time, many of those consumers are taking out extra loans pay their debt - a case of robbing Peter to pay Paul. Sounds similar to our government, which we're all so quick to scoff at.

[water]

Ron Paul, he is the only one who seems to know about our “Constitution”. You know, the “ Rule of Law” of our Republic? Who cares though, right? Americans got swindled into socialism.

evasive_one, just because the constitution is kept alive doesn’t mean people are going to play by the rules. Our country is going down the shitter because Washington doesn’t follow “The Rule Of Law”. If they did follow the Constitution we wouldn’t be hearing about how they are going to run our lives.

The constitution - and constitutional law in general - was not meant to be followed verbatim. It is simply a framework which was meant to be modified over time. So while Ron Paul thinks it should be OK for any citizen to own a bazooka, smoke crack, or do whatever is they want to do - as long as it doesn't interfere with anyone else's civil liberties - this is not exactly the most intelligent approach to leadership.

[jrocslider]

I hate McCain because he flip flops like the rest of them. If RP had a chance in hell I'd vote for him. Obama had a glimmer of hope from me until the Mexican president endorsed him, we know what that means. Hillary is a socialist gun grabber.

I guess I am voting for McCain.


would you care to enlighten me with your beliefs...

what does that mean?

[98s14inaz]

would you care to enlighten me with your beliefs...

what does that mean?

What do you think it means? You can't be that naive. It simply means that the revolving door we call our border will remain open and our immigration laws will continue to remain unenforced.

[98s14inaz]

The constitution - and constitutional law in general - was not meant to be followed verbatim. It is simply a framework which was meant to be modified over time. So while Ron Paul thinks it should be OK for any citizen to own a bazooka, smoke crack, or do whatever is they want to do - as long as it doesn't interfere with anyone else's civil liberties - this is not exactly the most intelligent approach to leadership.


Can you cite where Mr Paul said anything about smoking crack and owning bazookas?

[S13_Nightkid]

Barrak Hussein Obama...Middle eastern decent...close enough. I don't care what he says, he prays to Allah three times a day.

u sure? In the event that he was the Antichrist you wouldnt even be close to realizing it.

[BustedS13]

I'm gonna sit this election out. I think I'm gonna sit all elections out from now on.


if you're not going to exercise your rights, get the fuck out of my country. you're a waste of space.

[revat619]

u sure? In the event that he was the Antichrist you wouldnt even be close to realizing it.

Thats the whole point. Read the Bible. He will come as a person bringing peace and uniting the nations, etc., etc. Its only after he comes to power that shit gets insane.

but i digress. This isnt a religious thread. I was half joking about Obama being the anti-christ anyway. lol

Back to the topic.

I haven't the slightest idea who i'm going to vote for.

McCain is a puppet. Not to mention a moron.

Obama is waaaay too liberal for me and something about him rubs me the wrong way. When his eyes turn red and he goes ape shit on anybody who says Jesus, i'll be there to say i told you so. LOL

Clinton is a wealthy crook who has no intentions of helping us, the working class.

Hell, they're all full of shit if you ask me.

[ronmcdon]

Can you cite where Mr Paul said anything about smoking crack and owning bazookas?

I'd certainly be impressed if that was part of his formal policy.

[ronmcdon]

Worrying about the economy -right now- is not what's best for the country. We should be focusing on 25+ years from now. Market economies naturally fluctuate, whether its a growth recession or an actual recession. This war is not helping either. Currently we're experiencing a growth recession (looking at things from GDP perspective). With the already enormous trade deficit in the USA today (imports account for over 70% of imports/exports), we need a president who can think forward. Someone who understands the importance of going global or we'll shut ourselves out as we did in the 70's and sink ourselves further into debt today. Really this is not a Dem's perspective but if I had to choose between Obama and Clinton - I'd certainly go Obama.

People should be more worried about themselves in this country b/c their spending is outrageous. Over 45% of consumers in the USA spend more than they earn while holding debts in excess of $9k. At the same time, many of those consumers are taking out extra loans pay their debt - a case of robbing Peter to pay Paul. Sounds similar to our government, which we're all so quick to scoff at.

Idk, I sometime doubt trade deficit would be the problem some make it out to be. As a nation, our economy isn't really centered around manufacturing all that much. Then again, things that are manufactured have parts built/assembled and/or materials extracted from all over the world. Precisely what constitutes as an import or export more often than not is very ambiguous.

Even if trade deficit is a problem, I doubt depreciation of the dollar would do too much. Exactly how much stuff do we manufacture and export? Who benefits from the those exports? Many US based companies (small and large) rely on overseas materials and manufacturing. Likewise there are non-american companies like toyota that rely on factories in america, employing US workers, etc.

Are the international economies of the world going to shift all their manufacturing away from China and India, and back to the US, b/c of the weakening of the dollar? That's highly unlikely.

In the mean time, the weaker dollar will mean our purchasing power for commodities and materials (such as oil, wheat, corn, etc) go up. Most citizens make the same, but cost for goods go up all around. This has been very much so apparent in the past few years, and inflation has risen steadily at a dramatic rate.

Sure business cycles are natural in most economies, but politicians and the fed can do things to to prolong and worsen those cycles. I just don't see Bush & Bernanke being beneficial for the economy in that respect. I don't deny the importance of looking at long term economic growth, but I don't think you can discount short term activity either.

whomever gets elected will make decisions such as how long to prolong the iraq occupation, maybe appoint diff personnel for the fed (hope Bernanke gets the boot), and other fiscal policy that will effect the economy for sure. Personally I am interested in having a good secure job, know where my options stand with investments, when and if to buy a house, whether or not to look for a job overseas etc. These are matters that will reveal themselves in a shorter run 5+ yr period.

How this election plays out will be interesting, because it will effect those issues tremendously. If McCain gets the nod, imo the chance of inflation will be more likley. If it's Billary, I have faith that the economy will stabilize. With O'bama it could go either way. Personally I think he's a bit too liberal, and things may backfire.

[SR240DET]

The constitution - and constitutional law in general - was not meant to be followed verbatim. It is simply a framework which was meant to be modified over time. So while Ron Paul thinks it should be OK for any citizen to own a bazooka, smoke crack, or do whatever is they want to do - as long as it doesn't interfere with anyone else's civil liberties - this is not exactly the most intelligent approach to leadership.

That’s what made this country so great. Live your life however you want to. I dont know about you, but freedom and liberty sounds damn good to me.

This country started going down the shitter slowly since 1913, the beginning of government expansion. Can we say “great depression of 1930”? Now we are most likely heading towards a recession, because of government involvement.

[Omarius Maximus]

if you're not going to exercise your rights, get the fuck out of my country. you're a waste of space.

That's funny. The problem with voting is that my vote will always be cancelled out by some dipshit like you. Guess what? You think your the majority? There was roughly a 60 percent voter turnout in 2004. You split those two in half to represent democrats and republicans, and you'll see that:

30 percent democrats
30 percent republicans
40 percent people like myself

[Mi Beardo es Loco]

im voting 4 this guy
http://janedark.com/Marx.jpg
As am I. I'm glad to see a fellow beardocrat on these here intrawebs.

Seriously, Hilldog has no chance at winning the democratic nomination. She's holding on to tighten the gap so IF the superdeligates decide to go her way it wouldn't seem too far fetched.

I just hate how, since McCain won the Republican nomination, all the republicans are now changing parties and voting Hilary now. Tucker Carleson was talking about it earlier today.

I don't have a problem if anyone votes either way as long as it's an informed vote. I hate how people are saying how "Obama is a Muslim" so he shouldn't be president. I heard it on snopes :confused:

[VROOOM]

That's funny. The problem with voting is that my vote will always be cancelled out by some dipshit like you. Guess what? You think your the majority? There was roughly a 60 percent voter turnout in 2004. You split those two in half to represent democrats and republicans, and you'll see that:

30 percent democrats
30 percent republicans
40 percent people like myself


Majority rule, don't work in mental institutions.


something to think about

[water]

Idk, I sometime doubt trade deficit would be the problem some make it out to be. As a nation, our economy isn't really centered around manufacturing all that much. Then again, things that are manufactured have parts built/assembled and/or materials extracted from all over the world. Precisely what constitutes as an import or export more often than not is very ambiguous.

Woah, stop the press. The USA is THE largest manufacturing country in the world. Nobody - not China or anywhere else - has a larger manufacturing sector. This is a verifiable fact! And its not even by a close margin.

[water]

Even if trade deficit is a problem, I doubt depreciation of the dollar would do too much. Exactly how much stuff do we manufacture and export? Who benefits from the those exports? Many US based companies (small and large) rely on overseas materials and manufacturing. Likewise there are non-american companies like toyota that rely on factories in america, employing US workers, etc.

Are the international economies of the world going to shift all their manufacturing away from China and India, and back to the US, b/c of the weakening of the dollar? That's highly unlikely.

In the mean time, the weaker dollar will mean our purchasing power for commodities and materials (such as oil, wheat, corn, etc) go up. Most citizens make the same, but cost for goods go up all around. This has been very much so apparent in the past few years, and inflation has risen steadily at a dramatic rate.

Sure business cycles are natural in most economies, but politicians and the fed can do things to to prolong and worsen those cycles. I just don't see Bush & Bernanke being beneficial for the economy in that respect. I don't deny the importance of looking at long term economic growth, but I don't think you can discount short term activity either.

whomever gets elected will make decisions such as how long to prolong the iraq occupation, maybe appoint diff personnel for the fed (hope Bernanke gets the boot), and other fiscal policy that will effect the economy for sure. Personally I am interested in having a good secure job, know where my options stand with investments, when and if to buy a house, whether or not to look for a job overseas etc. These are matters that will reveal themselves in a shorter run 5+ yr period.

How this election plays out will be interesting, because it will effect those issues tremendously. If McCain gets the nod, imo the chance of inflation will be more likley. If it's Billary, I have faith that the economy will stabilize. With O'bama it could go either way. Personally I think he's a bit too liberal, and things may backfire.

I think your basic understanding of economics, in a global and national sense is a bit off and your points are being lost so I'm not really going to tackle any issues you brought up. As far as Clinton and Obama - Obama is definitely more liberal but Clinton is damn near socialist, which is why she probably would "stabilize" the economy.

[98s14inaz]

u sure? In the event that he was the Antichrist you wouldnt even be close to realizing it. It is out of our hands at this point. Let's say he is the Anti-Christ for sake of argument.

-The "mark of the beast" is already in development and will be initiated in stages so as not to alarm the masses. IF chips containing all your info implanted into the skin, do a search and you will find several reputable sources on this topic.
Stage one universal national id cards (on the books to happen)
Stage two eventual conversion of id cards to rf chips for security reasons
Stage three digitation of NAU currency and financial/healthcare records added to chips.

-One world monetary system is in development, stages will take place in regions first, then globally.

-A black man with an Islamic heritage (yes he doesn't practice, claims to be Christian, but the family tree on his father's side still prays to Allah three times a day. He is a very tempting target, even more so than W Bush. Most likely he will be too tempting for some ignorant hick. Obama will be "fatally wounded" by this lone assassin. "Satan" will take over his body and he will "miraculously" rise from the dead. He will bring peace to the middle eastern region...blah blah blah. Do your own research.

You have to admit, although an outragous theory it is plausible that Obama could be the anti-christ.

I am in no way a bible thumper and if I ever entered a church I would most likely ignite on fire. I do try to keep an open mind and have studied several religions over the years. There are too many coincidences to ignore.

[steve shadows]

wow so this is where this thread went? lol

[lucky7]

lol. this shit sure did take a turn towards crazytown.

obama cant be the anti-christ. hillary is the spawn of satan.
i will agree though. with all this new shit about obama, it does make you wonder..

[98s14inaz]

lol. this shit sure did take a turn towards crazytown.

obama cant be the anti-christ. hillary is the spawn of satan.
i will agree though. with all this new shit about obama, it does make you wonder..

Just theory and discussion on the internet, none of it matters. I have an open mind and would love to hear another view point.

[lucky7]

no i understand exactly what you're saying.

[water]

Just theory and discussion on the internet, none of it matters. I have an open mind and would love to hear another view point.

OK, I will start with a question.

Which of the several religions you've studied talks of the coming of an antichrist?

[lucky7]

probably alot of them.

its an excellent scare tactic to get people to commit to a religious belief. i was raised catholic, but since have gone astray.
one of the best ways to get at people, as a catholic, is to force guilt upon people. for all sorts of things. i wasnt a big fan of that.

lets try not to go too far off track here. back to crazytown please.

[water]

No I really have to hear this. I know the bible loosely mentions such things. Here is everything:

1 John 2:18-19 "Children, it is the last hour; and just as you heard that antichrist is coming, even now many antichrists have arisen; from this we know that it is the last hour. They went out from us, but they were not really of us; for if they had been of us, they would have remained with us; but they went out, in order that it might be shown that they all are not of us."

1 John 2:22-23 "Who is the liar but the one who denies that Jesus is the Christ? This is the antichrist, the one who denies the Father and the Son. Whoever denies the Son does not have the Father; the one who confesses the Son has the Father also."

1 John 4:2-3 "By this you know the Spirit of God: every spirit that confesses that Jesus Christ has come in the flesh is from God; and every spirit that does not confess Jesus is not from God; and this is the spirit of the antichrist, of which you have heard that it is coming, and now it is already in the world."

2 John 1:7 "For many deceivers have gone out into the world, those who do not acknowledge Jesus Christ as coming in the flesh. This is the deceiver and the antichrist."

Hmmm, I may be the antichrist then, according to the bible. More so than Obama.

[VROOOM]

I think its the history channel that airs a show about the antichrist. its kinda interesting but pretty far fetched.

[lucky7]

well mother fuck. im the anti-christ. chicks are gonna dig that when they find out. :keke:

[Tenchuu]

I am going to have to go with McCain, hilliry is a snake, and Obama is a used car salesman that has all you fooled.

obama gun control FTL.

[revat619]

LOL i seriously opened a huge can of worms!

Lets keep this thread on topic guys.

Feel free to start another thread on why or why not Obama is the anti-christ though. I think it'd be pretty interesting. :bow:

BACK ON TOPIC, McCain will most likely me vote. I'd rather not, but Obama and Clinton are DEFINITELY not getting it. So by process of elimination, there you have it....:ugh:

[BustedS13]

You have to admit, although an outragous theory it is plausible that Obama could be the anti-christ.

that would require the bible to not be a work of pure fiction

retarded bigoted self contradicting fiction

[revat619]

that would require the bible to not be a work of pure fiction

retarded bigoted self contradicting fiction

Please dont go there. Really. If you want to have a topic on this, i'd be more than willing to participate and show you that there are NUMEROUS historical documents of a non-religious nature that validate occurances in the Bible.

Keep this on topic. We're talking about politics.

[Mi Beardo es Loco]

LOL i seriously opened a huge can of worms!

Lets keep this thread on topic guys.

Feel free to start another thread on why or why not Obama is the anti-christ though. I think it'd be pretty interesting. :bow:

BACK ON TOPIC, McCain will most likely me vote. I'd rather not, but Obama and Clinton are DEFINITELY not getting it. So by process of elimination, there you have it....:ugh:

IMHO McCain is George W. Bush lite. He wants to stay in Iraq for 100 years if we have to. Ridiculous to me, especially since we spend 40 BILLION dollars a month for this "war". They bomb us because we showed military presence in their holy land and then we go to Iraq, which NEVER showed any proof of Al-Quida actually making their presence.
Obama is the best candidate, IMHO, and is the only candidate that doesn't show any flaws. He'll make a WONDERFUL president if the racist fucks actually get over the fact that he's half black.

[KA24DESOneThree]

Obama is the best candidate, IMHO, and is the only candidate that doesn't show any flaws.

That shit is bananas. Flawless, Obama is not.

[Mi Beardo es Loco]

That shit is bananas. Flawless, Obama is not.

well, maybe he does but he's far and away the best candidate in my eyes. I thought Ron Paul was right on the money to be pres but he would have to run as a libertarian. Obama will still be a very good pres if elected.

[BC S14]

I asked who u voten for. lol. and i acctually did intend for these subjects to come up. now heres what i know. someone will be president who will not be good for us. they will take our guns, they will allow gay marrige, and the border will stay open. we will go deeper into forign affiars and wars. they will install a computer chip in people, they already do in all those pets you buy from pet shops, and it has been tested on several human familys. the house door open automatically, lights turn on. WOW. anyway. this country is not ran by us, there are several secret organizations and familys, who i wont mention (skull n bones, rockafellar) cough, cough, anyway theyre main goal is the exact same as every person with money and power. more money and more power. they want to control one global economy. fast food, makin us sick, then making us pay for medication that makes us worse. making our entire lives based on technology so well warm up to being robots.its all the plan. and this will happen, and im not one to say america wont get destroyed, in one big nuclear war. my whole point, my advise is, do exactly what we are now. we can fight it, but we gotta live to the fullest, Do what you love, believe in somthing other than ourselves and science, and when they do come to take it all away, give em HELL. and if theyres anything ive said that anyone doubts, just google, skull and bones, secret societys, or global economy, anything like that. OH, and if you purchase a gun and want to keep it after one of the dumbasses becomes president, just report it stolen before they pass the law. they cant take what the law says you dont have.

[Grendel]

they will allow gay marrige

Why is this even an issue? The government shouldn't be able to tell two people they can't get married...

[BustedS13]

Please dont go there. Really. If you want to have a topic on this, i'd be more than willing to participate and show you that there are NUMEROUS historical documents of a non-religious nature that validate occurances in the Bible.

Keep this on topic. We're talking about politics.

http://imgs.xkcd.com/comics/duty_calls.png

[BC S14]

ok. heres what i think about gay marrage. get married, whatever. just not under god. keep the leagal. the union just cannot and shuldent be ordained by a bishop or a church, or under god, the father spirit and the holy ghost. just by a judge, by the state.

[Mi Beardo es Loco]

ok. heres what i think about gay marrage. get married, whatever. just not under god. keep the leagal. the union just cannot and shuldent be ordained by a bishop or a church, or under god, the father spirit and the holy ghost. just by a judge, by the state.

so what you're trying to say is gay marriage, shmay shmerriage?

[BustedS13]

ok. heres what i think about gay marrage. get married, whatever. just not under god. keep the leagal. the union just cannot and shuldent be ordained by a bishop or a church, or under god, the father spirit and the holy ghost. just by a judge, by the state.

please learn to spell before you voice your opinions. stating how you believe the world should work in broken english makes you sound like a clown.

[Mi Beardo es Loco]

please learn to spell before you voice your opinions. stating how you believe the world should work in broken english makes you sound like a clown.

yeah, she sounds like a roundmouth

[BustedS13]

yeah, she sounds like a roundmouth

you must spread some reputation around before giving it to mi beardo es loco again. bummer, i'd totally + you for "shmay shmerriage"

[undesiredshoe]

Ron Paul, I mean, he has a blimp that he didnt even pay for. George Washington didnt even have a blimp.

[water]

Can you cite where Mr Paul said anything about smoking crack and owning bazookas?

Read up mr paul. Although he has not openly stated anything about bazookas, his beliefs are that there should be no bans of any particular types of weaons. He has openly stated citizens should be allowed to carry automatic weapons and assault rifles, conceled weapons for all, ect.

More importantly, however, the debate about certain types of weapons ignores the fundamental purpose of the Second amendment...By banning certain weapons today, we may plant the seeds for tyranny to flourish ten, thirty, or fifty years from now.

OK so out of his fear of tyranny, no weapons restrictions would exist in the hands of the people. IDK about you but I don't have that much faith in people. Sure, I could buy my own automatic weapon but I'd rather not live in a constant state of fear

As far as drugs, he's openly voted to end the war on drugs, end federal departments aiming at stopping drugs' funding, and to leave it to the states.

Its almost like he's inviting anarchy.

He's an idealist at best although I stand by most of his economic policies and views 100%.

[98s14inaz]

Read up mr paul. Although he has not openly stated anything about bazookas, his beliefs are that there should be no bans of any particular types of weaons. He has openly stated citizens should be allowed to carry automatic weapons and assault rifles, conceled weapons for all, ect.

OK so out of his fear of tyranny, no weapons restrictions would exist in the hands of the people. IDK about you but I don't have that much faith in people. Sure, I could buy my own automatic weapon but I'd rather not live in a constant state of fear

As far as drugs, he's openly voted to end the war on drugs, end federal departments aiming at stopping drugs' funding, and to leave it to the states.

Its almost like he's inviting anarchy.

He's an idealist at best although I stand by most of his economic policies and views 100%.

I have. I like the guy. I am a firm believer in this quote..."An Armed Person is a Citizen; An Unarmed Person is a Subject”. The armed populace is the reason our gov't can't just do what ever it wants (true in 1776 and true today). Why do you think that so many politicians have tried over and over and over to disarm the people? Why do you think DC is a gun free zone and sports one of the highest crime rates in the country? I feel safer knowing a law abiding citizen has a weapon on them. If an individual uses a weapon illegally...guess what, he's a criminal. Not all gun owners are criminals. Many citizens who carry guns have saved lives. More people die from car accidents every year than gun shots yet every retard on the road has one. More often than not alcohol is a factor as well, lots of restrictions and regulations on that item. Guess what minors and drunk drivers get that item too despite the laws. Criminals do not obey laws and signs. Citizens should be able to own whatever weapon they feel is an effective deterrent against tyranny and criminals as long as they have the proper training.

The war on drugs...is a joke. Our DEA and other agencies are so full of corruption and beurocracy they will never be effective. The states should have more control over these issues because the feds have failed miserably. The border states, where the drug traffic passes through, should have final say on how it should be fought, not the feds 100's of miles away.

RP is not inviting anarchy. He is inviting change, which unfortunately is painful, uncomfortable, and costly. The American Revolution brought about change and got the British off our backs. Many of the freedoms you enjoy today were paid for by the blood, sweat, and tears of patriots like RP. The only difference is he uses words and ideas instead of bullets and anarchy.

RP>McCain>Obama>Hillary That is my humble opinion.

If I offended anyone comparing Obama to the anti-christ, I apologize.

[S13_Nightkid]

Why is this even an issue? The government shouldn't be able to tell two people they can't get married...

fuck yea. who cares just give em marriage. I hate how issues that
only apply to a small percentage of our population is blown up and
have more concern than fucking social security.

[98s14inaz]

Why is this even an issue? The government shouldn't be able to tell two people they can't get married...

Hell yes. They should have every right to be miserable like the rest of us. I bet they won't be so happy and enthusiastic about life once they tie the knot...lol :keke:

[water]

I have. I like the guy. I am a firm believer in this quote..."An Armed Person is a Citizen; An Unarmed Person is a Subject”. The armed populace is the reason our gov't can't just do what ever it wants (true in 1776 and true today).

How can you even say something like that? You are insinuating multiple things here - one is that people are not legally allowed to bear arms, false. Two is that our government is controlling our actions, false. At any given moment, we could take over our government as people if it were truly necessary. Nobody does b/c its a ridiculous concept and totally romantic to think there's reason. And do you really think our president could succeed in turning our military against its own people? I don't.

Why do you think that so many politicians have tried over and over and over to disarm the people? Why do you think DC is a gun free zone and sports one of the highest crime rates in the country? I feel safer knowing a law abiding citizen has a weapon on them. If an individual uses a weapon illegally...guess what, he's a criminal.

DO NOT take what I'm saying out of context. Once again you're confusing the right to bear arms with the right to bear military grade weapons and/or concealed weapons for all. Go drive into a ghetto and tell me they'd be better of being legally allowed to purchase assault rifles without question.

Citizens should be able to own whatever weapon they feel is an effective deterrent against tyranny and criminals as long as they have the proper training.

I simply do not agree at all. Maybe you've lived a cooshy cooshy life surrounded by good, honest people and have never seen the darker side of man. Maybe you just have THAT MUCH faith in people and that little faith in our government. IDK.

The war on drugs...is a joke. Our DEA and other agencies are so full of corruption and beurocracy they will never be effective. The states should have more control over these issues because the feds have failed miserably. The border states, where the drug traffic passes through, should have final say on how it should be fought, not the feds 100's of miles away.

Our federal government is one of the least corrupt in the world and our DEA has made countless drug busts over the years. These are verifiable facts. And they have agency centers across the country. I have friends who work for the DEA here in south Florida...not 100's of miles away.


RP is not inviting anarchy. He is inviting change, which unfortunately is painful, uncomfortable, and costly. The American Revolution brought about change and got the British off our backs.

Are we being oppressed by another country's government? I mean I know there plenty of foreign investors who own a huge chunk of the fed but are you suggesting we should be shooting them up with rapid fire assault rifles? I'm lost.

Many of the freedoms you enjoy today were paid for by the blood, sweat, and tears of patriots like RP. The only difference is he uses words and ideas instead of bullets and anarchy.
huh :confused:

[SR240DET]

I have. I like the guy. I am a firm believer in this quote..."An Armed Person is a Citizen; An Unarmed Person is a Subject”. The armed populace is the reason our gov't can't just do what ever it wants (true in 1776 and true today). Why do you think that so many politicians have tried over and over and over to disarm the people? Why do you think DC is a gun free zone and sports one of the highest crime rates in the country? I feel safer knowing a law abiding citizen has a weapon on them. If an individual uses a weapon illegally...guess what, he's a criminal. Not all gun owners are criminals. Many citizens who carry guns have saved lives. More people die from car accidents every year than gun shots yet every retard on the road has one. More often than not alcohol is a factor as well, lots of restrictions and regulations on that item. Guess what minors and drunk drivers get that item too despite the laws. Criminals do not obey laws and signs. Citizens should be able to own whatever weapon they feel is an effective deterrent against tyranny and criminals as long as they have the proper training.


Admiral Isoroku Yamamoto:
{Japanese Navy} WWII

"You cannot invade the mainland United States
There would be a rifle behind every blade of grass."

[steve shadows]

Just remeber if you vote a Democrat you will be feeding shit like this

http://www.zilvia.net/f/showpost.php?p=1924647&postcount=84

Pieces of shit.

Hopefully I can report this mother fucker to IaCE

I'm first generation from Eastern Europe, my dad waited 25 years to finally get cleared for citizenship, has never used a single govt aid program, cam from dirt to make over 160k a year.

Fuck Democrats and this fucking entitlement philosophy. if you wonder why we are going bankrupt it's not Bush's failed war, half of all of it is overspending on keeping the weak, liars and leeches in society comfortable while the honest break their backs.

[98s14inaz]

How can you even say something like that? You are insinuating multiple things here - one is that people are not legally allowed to bear arms, false. Two is that our government is controlling our actions, false. At any given moment, we could take over our government as people if it were truly necessary. Nobody does b/c its a ridiculous concept and totally romantic to think there's reason. And do you really think our president could succeed in turning our military against its own people? I don't.

Where did I say they are controlling our actions. Where did I say people are not legally allowed to bear arms? It's true in DC. A citizen cannot even defend their own home with one. Weapons may not be in a loaded state, must be locked and or disassembled. It has happened in the past to other gov'ts and it will happen again. History repeats itself...more likely now that big gov't and socialism are running rampant.

DO NOT take what I'm saying out of context. Once again you're confusing the right to bear arms with the right to bear military grade weapons and/or concealed weapons for all. Go drive into a ghetto and tell me they'd be better of being legally allowed to purchase assault rifles without question.

Let's talk military grade weapons, since you brought it up. When the constitution was written muskets were the weapon of choice for both civilian and soldier. We won the American revolution because we did not play by the rules. We used their same weapons against the British and fought them with guerrilla tactics. We wouldn't have won otherwise.

The "people" (those living in the ghettos who commit unlawful acts you mentioned) that you fear owning military grade weapons are called criminals. The average citizen/collector would not do something illegal with it. Permits should still be issued to own or carry certain weapons. Not the ridiculous restrictions one has to go through to get a full-auto weapon today. Did you know if you legally acquire a full-auto weapon you forfeit your constitutional rights? Law Enforcement/Gov't agents can enter your residence with out a warrant.


I simply do not agree at all. Maybe you've lived a cooshy cooshy life surrounded by good, honest people and have never seen the darker side of man. Maybe you just have THAT MUCH faith in people and that little faith in our government. IDK.

I appreciate your opinion and your expert knowledge of how and where I grew up. Good and honest people can be found anywhere just like bad and dishonest people. Anywhere includes the ghetto, the burbs, and gov't. I don't trust the bad and dishonest people in my gov't that are nothing more than wolves in sheep's clothing. If they lie about drug use, cheating, intelligence, child molestation, etc what else are they capable of?

Our federal government is one of the least corrupt in the world and our DEA has made countless drug busts over the years. These are verifiable facts. And they have agency centers across the country. I have friends who work for the DEA here in south Florida...not 100's of miles away.

Try living in Arizona. For every drug lord they take down another gets through or takes his place. There should be no deals, no bribes, no mercy. Too much slips through. Don't believe the propaganda. Washington still pulls the strings on those organizations.

Are we being oppressed by another country's government? I mean I know there plenty of foreign investors who own a huge chunk of the fed but are you suggesting we should be shooting them up with rapid fire assault rifles? I'm lost. huh :confused:

I understand your confusion. I would never suggest or imply civilian aggression against a gov't, only defensive actions when the constitutional line has been crossed by the gov't. Shooting someone up just because they piss you off is just plain ignorant and wrong. You are absolutely correct that we are not directly being oppressed by another country. That is the beauty of it. We are being divided from with in by ourselves. Corporations influence our global policies now. Our politicians are slaves to special interest groups and lobbyists. We cannot even get the straight news anymore with out some sort of spin on it towards republican agendas and or democrat agendas. It will get worse before it gets better.

[Grendel]

I don't see why you guys care about owning full auto weapons... You can defend yourself and your family just fine with a semi automatic just as well as a full auto. Who cares if full auto weapons aren't allowed?

[98s14inaz]

I don't see why you guys care about owning full auto weapons... You can defend yourself and your family just fine with a semi automatic just as well as a full auto. Who cares if full auto weapons aren't allowed?

What if who you are defending yourself and family against has superior firepower...ie full-auto weapons?

[Grendel]

What if who you are defending yourself and family against has superior firepower...ie full-auto weapons?

Haha are you talking about some Red Dawn shit or what? I haven't shot a fully auto rifle, but you can shoot the M16 in semi auto pretty quickly pretty accurately.

But then again if you and your family are up against people with full auto weapons, some crazy shit is going down and you are probably going to die anyways...

[S13_Nightkid]

What if who you are defending yourself and family against has superior firepower...ie full-auto weapons?


lets be realistic...WHY would people come in your house w/ auto weapons?
Drug lord perhaps?Arms dealer? You tell me.

[water]

98s14inaz, so basically you only think honest people will buy automatic weapons if they were to become available and believe only conspiracy theories about a corrupt government?

If those aren't your points, what are?

To me, you're the one falling for propaganda - just look who thinks he needs superior firepower to defend himself. And if only good happy <3 thy neighbor people would be buying automatic weapons, who would you be defending yourself from?

www.transparency.org for nonpart facts about government corruption.

[98s14inaz]

lets be realistic...WHY would people come in your house w/ auto weapons?
Drug lord perhaps?Arms dealer? You tell me.

Do you realize how easy it would be to be labeled a terrorist. You don't have to be islamic or brown anymore. The patriot act gave the gov't broad discretion to label anyone they feel like labeling. How many people are being held in GITMO with out trial etc. This is just like the crap in WWII that the Japanese went through. It's wrong. Which group will be next? How do you know you won't be part of that group?

98s14inaz, so basically you only think honest people will buy automatic weapons if they were to become available and believe only conspiracy theories about a corrupt government?

If those aren't your points, what are?

To me, you're the one falling for propaganda - just look who thinks he needs superior firepower to defend himself. And if only good happy <3 thy neighbor people would be buying automatic weapons, who would you be defending yourself from?

www.transparency.org for nonpart facts about government corruption.

You realize that .org sites are privately owned and about as reliable as wiki right?

Law abiding citizens buy weapons as well as criminals. How about we make it harder for criminals to obtain such weapons instead of screwing everyone over by making it damn near impossible legally. Check the statistics, most gun related crimes happened with unregistered or stolen fire arms. The criminals get them anyway.

We will need superior fire power eventually...not today, not tomorrow, maybe not in my lifetime. I want to make sure my decedents have the ability to defend their freedoms in the future when tyranny comes knocking. The United States as we know it will not last forever. I hope everyday that it never comes to that. I love my country and don't want it to change for the worst. Do you seriously think I want people running down Mainstreet USA with firearms and rpg's? Think about it for a second, why would the US have nuclear weapons still if we have no intention of using them? As a deterrent? Of course. Just in case? Very likely. Just in case things go terribly wrong we need to be able to have checks and balances.

[evasive_one]

Do you realize how easy it would be to be labeled a terrorist. You don't have to be islamic or brown anymore. The patriot act gave the gov't broad discretion to label anyone they feel like labeling. How many people are being held in GITMO with out trial etc. This is just like the crap in WWII that the Japanese went through. It's wrong. Which group will be next? How do you know you won't be part of that group?



You realize that .org sites are privately owned and about as reliable as wiki right?

Law abiding citizens buy weapons as well as criminals. How about we make it harder for criminals to obtain such weapons instead of screwing everyone over by making it damn near impossible legally. Check the statistics, most gun related crimes happened with unregistered or stolen fire arms. The criminals get them anyway.

We will need superior fire power eventually...not today, not tomorrow, maybe not in my lifetime. I want to make sure my decedents have the ability to defend their freedoms in the future when tyranny comes knocking. The United States as we know it will not last forever. I hope everyday that it never comes to that. I love my country and don't want it to change for the worst. Do you seriously think I want people running down Mainstreet USA with firearms and rpg's? Think about it for a second, why would the US have nuclear weapons still if we have no intention of using them? As a deterrent? Of course. Just in case? Very likely. Just in case things go terribly wrong we need to be able to have checks and balances.

+1
I love this country as much as the next man but...
Some of you all need to do some serious reading.

Too much faith in your Government will end you up in some serious ish sooner or later.

The patriot act is no good.
I sure as hell will not be giving up my freedom to someone that thinks they have the right just barge in my home without permission. :rl:

[drftmark]

All I can say is, 2008-2012 is going to be a shitty one for the U.S.

As much as I don't want to say that, it looks like it will turn out like that with these dumbasses for candidates.

At the moment I am trying to stockpile up on assault weapons before some retard trys to take them :x:

[KA24DESOneThree]

All I can say is, 2008-2012 is going to be a shitty one for the U.S.

As much as I don't want to say that, it looks like it will turn out like that with these dumbasses for candidates.

At the moment I am trying to stockpile up on assault weapons before some retard trys to take them :x:

Werd.

I need a decent semiauto pistol and at least one more AR. Then comes a couple thousand rounds of ammo for each and I'm golden.

From my cold, dead hands.

[pete_yaj]

Mitt Romney baby!!!!!!! LOL.....or other words McCaine........fuk Obama and Billery.....lmao

[KA24DESOneThree]

By the way, automatic weapons are self-regulating. Class III dealers are not about to put their $500+/year registration fee, in addition to whatever sales fees from selling very expensive NFA guns, on the line to make a quick buck, not to mention the fact that, as stated above, anyone who buys a "machine gun" (as referenced by the NFA of 1934) is automatically subject to police search without warrant. Even the cheapest of the NFA weapons costs thousands of dollars plus a $200 tax upon registration.

Selling a gun to someone sans a background check carries stiff penalties. Criminals know this, and that's why 9 times out of 10 (it's fact) they either do straw purchases or otherwise illegally obtain a weapon.

There is no candidate who is truly pro-gun who has any chance of winning. Obama and Hillary will grab your guns. McCain will probably grab your guns.

No one will grab my guns.

[pete_yaj]

By the way, automatic weapons are self-regulating. Class III dealers are not about to put their $500+/year registration fee, in addition to whatever sales fees from selling very expensive NFA guns, on the line to make a quick buck, not to mention the fact that, as stated above, anyone who buys a "machine gun" (as referenced by the NFA of 1934) is automatically subject to police search without warrant. Even the cheapest of the NFA weapons costs thousands of dollars plus a $200 tax upon registration.

Selling a gun to someone sans a background check carries stiff penalties. Criminals know this, and that's why 9 times out of 10 (it's fact) they either do straw purchases or otherwise illegally obtain a weapon.

There is no candidate who is truly pro-gun who has any chance of winning. Obama and Hillary will grab your guns. McCain will probably grab your guns.

No one will grab my guns.


The only Canidate that is Pro-gun is Ron Paul....

[KA24DESOneThree]

This I know, and he has no chance of winning.

[98s14inaz]

This I know, and he has no chance of winning.

...unless the honest folks at Diebold hit the wrong button and rig the election for RP instead of whoever they would have picked to win.

[pete_yaj]

...unless the honest folks at Diebold hit the wrong button and rig the election for RP instead of whoever they would have picked to win.


LOL....that's so true....RICH PEOPLE WHITE FOLKS BUST THAT KIND OF STUFF...LOOK AT BUSH!

[KA24DESOneThree]

LOL....that's so true....RICH PEOPLE WHITE FOLKS BUST THAT KIND OF STUFF...LOOK AT BUSH!

... and you're going to vote.

In this country, I can't help but feel that :stupid: .

[Mi Beardo es Loco]

...unless the honest folks at Diebold hit the wrong button and rig the election for RP instead of whoever they would have picked to win.

FYI, I was a bit involved in this situation. Diebold was really not at fault. Sure it was their machines, but 1) Wally O'Dell contributed $10,000 to Bush's campaign and was in a MAJOR position to have those machines altered. He later admitted to altering those machines and will be charged at a later date (http://www.commondreams.org/headlines03/0828-08.htm). I'm not going to say who I work for buy you heard it first if you really care. 2) the government was supposed to fund the security feature through a company called C2. Well, C2 didn't come through....no security. Therefor there was a major hole in the doc*.diebold.com website and anyone with a comp and the knowhow could have altered votes. Sad, but true. The voting machines are now screened before entering the field and are pretty damn reliable. Now, after all the votes are actually tallied, it's up to the people who are tabulating whether or not they'll count the votes.
Just defending a company and pointing out the actual bad guy in the whole situation. Diebold is actually a pretty good company and has a major footprint much of OH.

[!Zar!]

What is the point of this thread if there is no poll?

[S13_Nightkid]

this thread should be merged w/ the British truckers thread...

[90hatchie]

obama sees dead people whoaaaaa

[fromxtor]

I will be voting for RP.

[Mi Beardo es Loco]

obama sees dead people whoaaaaa

The funniest things I've read go through my email is when my grandpa (who is hardcore republican) sends me these emails about Obama being a terrorist, Obama growing up Muslim, Obama hating America, Obama kicks kittens....etc. The fact is there is so much racism in this country that people actually say this shit in coffee shops and emails and believe this horseshit that they actually have heard. If they do any research then they'll find out that it's all fake, but they don't care. Did anyone read about Huckabee at the NRA meeting? Someone actually cocked their gun and Mike fucking Huckabee said he just heard Obama running for cover. This was well received by the fine folks at the NRA and it probably represents a large portion of middle America, sadly. I just don't know if there will be enough support for Obama. There will probably be some people who will enter the polls thinking "I like Obama, but he's a black guy.....fuck it! McCain it is!"

[90hatchie]

http://youtube.com/watch?v=2ogexqs4XVQ
OBAMA: On this Memorial Day, as our nation honors its unbroken line of fallen heroes -- and I see many of them in...in the audience here today

[180sExy]

All I can say is, 2008-2012 is going to be a shitty one for the U.S.

As much as I don't want to say that, it looks like it will turn out like that with these dumbasses for candidates.

At the moment I am trying to stockpile up on assault weapons before some retard trys to take them :x:
an was 2000-2008 great???? I'd rather have a flaming queer in the white house than Bush!

[Mi Beardo es Loco]

the worst 8 years in modern history is the Bush regime.

[Rayne]

I am not a registered voter.

[just1pepsi]

I diddnt read the whole thread, I spot checked..

Criminals dont goto the local legit gun-store and buy weapons, they get them on the black market, which doesnt conform to the rules and regulation we have on legit gun-stores.

We, as citizens need the right to purchase full-auto if we want to. People who purchase guns legally are 99% law abiding and not out to use them in harm anyone.

Don't think for a second that the Government doesnt want to slowly remove our rights, they are NOT in the business of protecting the citizens, they are in the business of protecting themselves. Power corrupts, and once you remove all the power from your citizens.. well, go read some history books to see what happened. Don't believe what they taught you in the public schools.
Without our right to bear arms, we have no recourse when they decide that all the other rights in the US Constitution are "Optional"

Go Obama! -Although realistically, anyone other than Bush and his douche-crew would be an improvement.. I cant stand Hillary though, so if given the choice between Hillary and McCain.. I probably wont vote.

[iluvpandas4]

the closest to a Bush assassination i remember would be when he choked on that pretzel...same day i knew 2000-2008 would be rough lol

[WanganRunner]

Honestly, while I *do* generally consider myself pro-gun, I'm not sure that I think anyone needs fully automatic weapons for home defense.

How many crimes are really committed with this kind of firepower? I'd reckon very very few, and probably even fewer that are not criminal-on-criminal.

While I COMPLETELY AGREE that criminals tend not to get their firearms from legal channels and thus we should keep legal channels open, I also think that if there are more full-auto weapons floating around the country due to them being legal then it is likely that more and more of these will fall out of legal channels into the black market due to shady sales or thefts.

If we quadruple the number of full-auto weapons in circulation by legalizing them, one has to reasonably assume that this will have a material impact on how many end up in the hands of criminals.

It just seems like an escalation of the civil arms race to be, which isn't something I think that we need.

That said, I do NOT support further legislation and banning of currently-circulated firearms. Criminals are not going into a legitimate gun store and buying a SPAS-12, they're getting it from some guy who stole it. Shutting down the gun stores won't keep the criminals from getting guns.

[Grendel]

the closest to a Bush assassination i remember would be when he choked on that pretzel...same day i knew 2000-2008 would be rough lol


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_W_Bush
http://www.cnn.com/2006/WORLD/europe/01/11/georgia.grenade/index.html
On May 10, 2005, in Freedom Square, Tbilisi, Georgia, Vladimir Arutyunian threw a live hand grenade toward the podium where Bush was giving a speech and Georgian President Mikhail Saakashvili was seated. It landed in the crowd about 65 feet (20 m) from the podium after hitting a girl, but it did not detonate. Arutyunian was arrested in July 2005, confessed, and was convicted and given a life sentence in January 2006.[225]

So close! lol

And now I'm probably being watched for searching wikipedia for "presidential assassinations" followed by searching for "George W Bush" :sadwavey:

[just1pepsi]

^ Probably.
As far as gun control is concerned, I'm not worried about protecting my house from thieves with a full auto, I'm worried about protecting my rights against those with full auto weapons.

[97KATURBOSILVIA]

^^^ exactly, Also the only reason 2008-12 is going to suck is that who ever is president is going to have to dig us out of the recession before it turns into a depression. Just think of what happens to minimum wage workers when gas prices equal their hourly salary, what ever it is it wont be good and will have a bunch of pissed off poverty sticken people to deal with.

[98s14inaz]

...Just think of what happens to minimum wage workers when gas prices equal their hourly salary, what ever it is it wont be good and will have a bunch of pissed off poverty sticken people to deal with.

That's a scary thought :ugh: They (not sure who they is) did it to themselves. In a true inflation model everything goes up to maintain the status quo. Too bad salaries and hourly wages haven't. If the minimum wage kept pace with inflation like it should have it would be near $9 an hour at this point.

Get ready for a dual class caste system...the rich and the poor. Well done politicians :fawkd:

[Bobafreak]

I noticed this year on the news that the elections went deeply into the ethnicity of those who voted and where they are from then just people in general. Seeing how i thought for a fact they change this matter and not go that route, they differ.

[S13_Nightkid]

Get ready for a dual class caste system...the rich and the poor. Well done politicians :fawkd:

dammit. I would probably fall into the poor category.:(

[Grendel]

The best part of this election is the Daily Show and Colbert Report. I try to catch them each day, so many lulz.

Anyone see the thing last night about McCain's medical records? "71 is the new 30." "Then dead must be the new 50!" lol