Sard Injectors (who uses them?)

[BlackZenkiS14]

I think i may be purchasing some 550cc SARD injectors soon for my Sr20DeT, and I kinda am looking for some feed back on these injectors. They are supposed to be drop in and ready to rock injectors, but I have heard of other people having issues with them.

What do you all think? Any experience with SARD?

Are they reputable, dependable, and quality?

[BlackZenkiS14]

Nobody uses Sard injectors?

[corriganjoshua]

Try to get a hold of johngriff here on zilvia he knows everything there is to know about the SARD injectors and a good guy to talk to.

[sunnys14]

I use Sard 555cc's. They dropped right in. I had to splice in the injector clips because the stock OEM clips don't plug in, but that was no biggie. Works good for me.

Sard is a very high quality, reputable company.

[DJ_Sunrise]

Just buy tomei/apexi/nismo injectors. Same shit. Better price. Plug and play. Just make sure you replace all the seals/o rings. www.rhdjapan.com for best prices.

-Bart

[RISINGSUNPROJECTS]

I run SARD 555cc's in both of my S14 SR's and they work great for my application. Other than the changing of the clips they pop right in. They are great quality as well!

[fliprayzin240sx]

Im running SARD 850s on my SR. I was originally looking for Tomei/Nismo 740s but they were going for $550 a set. Ended up getting a hook up for $300 for the SARD ones brand spanking new. Like stated, they are drop ins but you have to cut the plugs off your harness and splice the SARD plugs in. Thats the only pain in the ass part...

[sleepy_s13]

Just buy tomei/apexi/nismo injectors. Same shit. Better price. Plug and play. Just make sure you replace all the seals/o rings. www.rhdjapan.com (http://www.rhdjapan.com) for best prices.

-Bart

Where have you seen any of those brands cheeper than the sards?

[johngriff]

Just buy tomei/apexi/nismo injectors. Same shit. Better price. Plug and play. Just make sure you replace all the seals/o rings. www.rhdjapan.com for best prices.

-Bart

WRONG!

Those are Denso Type I injectors. That is why the connectors are the same.

You have to change the connector type on the SARD's because they are Denso Type II.

Why why why why?

Denso Type II is the revised side feed design, they have a lower effective minium injector open time (.6) than the type I (1.1) which can GREATLY EFFECT IDLE QUALITY USING LARGER INJECTORS.

They also have better copper winding, and a larger solenoid body. Better spray nozzle blah blah blah blah.

SARD = Best.

Stock/Nismo = Rest.

I am not 100% Sure on the Apexi's, I think they are type I, tomei I am unsure of too.

To the OP: What size turbo? The SARD's provide SUCH good idle quality I would go 740's first, even for stock turbo.

[fliprayzin240sx]

Hmm...i just learned something new. I always thought my idle would be shit with 850s before i installed them. Shit idles like its the stock injectors even when the engines cold....

[McRussellPants]

WRONG!

Those are Denso Type I injectors. That is why the connectors are the same.

You have to change the connector type on the SARD's because they are Denso Type II.

Why why why why?

Denso Type II is the revised side feed design, they have a lower effective minium injector open time (.6) than the type I (1.1) which can GREATLY EFFECT IDLE QUALITY USING LARGER INJECTORS.

They also have better copper winding, and a larger solenoid body. Better spray nozzle blah blah blah blah.

SARD = Best.

Stock/Nismo = Rest.

I am not 100% Sure on the Apexi's, I think they are type I, tomei I am unsure of too.

To the OP: What size turbo? The SARD's provide SUCH good idle quality I would go 740's first, even for stock turbo.


Hey what about those red rings to keep them in the rail.

they didn't come with an Oring for the ring into the fuel rail but that seems retarded to me.

any install pro tips.

[SoguRacing]

WRONG!

Those are Denso Type I injectors. That is why the connectors are the same.

You have to change the connector type on the SARD's because they are Denso Type II.

Why why why why?

Denso Type II is the revised side feed design, they have a lower effective minium injector open time (.6) than the type I (1.1) which can GREATLY EFFECT IDLE QUALITY USING LARGER INJECTORS.

They also have better copper winding, and a larger solenoid body. Better spray nozzle blah blah blah blah.

SARD = Best.

Stock/Nismo = Rest.

I am not 100% Sure on the Apexi's, I think they are type I, tomei I am unsure of too.

To the OP: What size turbo? The SARD's provide SUCH good idle quality I would go 740's first, even for stock turbo.

can you point me as to where you found this information? i'd like to do some research of my own. thanks :bigok: pm me

[captinamy]

kinda sorta thread jacking...
I bought Sard 550cc injectors for an SR20DET from RHDjapan, but they sent me Sard 550cc injectors for an RB25DET; will the RB injectors work on my SR?

[CKAMC]

tomei/nismo from what I have seen/read are about the same.

I believe its either HKS or power enterprise use the same denso connection

[fishhouse]

sard is good stuff, will need to use the sard connectors, thats about it.

[sblack13]

sorry to bump the thread, but I bought a set of sard's on here. And they did'nt send my the injector clips. Does anyone know what car uses the same style plug?

[sunnys14]

Older 90's toyota's use the same clips. Denso style injectors are what Toyota used. I got mine off a 93 Toyota Tercel. Cost me about 30 bucks at a junkyard. Snapped right into the injector, all i had to do was splice the harness.

[BlackZenkiS14]

Bump. Think im actually getting these soon.

They are used, and not a lot of info on them, should i send them off and have them tested and cleaned? And also, what clips/o-rings am i going to need to make them work?

[johngriff]

Don't get used injectors.

Just buy new. A fuel injector is a wear based item, meaning over its life span / use it works less efficiently than when new.

Plus everything you need will come with them.

[BlackZenkiS14]

I dont have the money, and my buddy just brought some back from Japan on his container specifically for me.

[jr_ss]

I dont have the money, and my buddy just brought some back from Japan on his container specifically for me.


You're going to spend the same amount of money for used injectors and sending them out to get tested/cleaned/flow matched as you would buying new ones....

I bought SARD's based on a conversation I had with John... Got them at a better price than the Tomei/Nismo ones too..

[BlackZenkiS14]

I got 550cc SARD injectors for 200 bucks. Gonna have them blue printed and tested, and cleaned for 60.

[johngriff]

Its still a wear item, the solenoid wears over time.

Plus, 550's are small, comparatively you can use the 850's for any application the 550's would suit, and you have more headroom.

[BlackZenkiS14]

Man, i'd like to get some brand new 850's, but i just cant afford it. This will have to do for now.

[BlackZenkiS14]

Ok, installing them now. What wires go to which Toyota plug? The toyota plugs have a black with orange stripe, and a white with stripe. How does that correspond with the SR harness?

[DJPimpFlex]

so theres no downside to running huge 850 injectors at such a low duty cycle?

[johngriff]

Ok, installing them now. What wires go to which Toyota plug? The toyota plugs have a black with orange stripe, and a white with stripe. How does that correspond with the SR harness?

Who knows man. Thats what happens with used stuff.

DjFlex;

None that I can think of, if anything, you will be putting less wear because they will be open for a shorter duration, though, also a faster "on/off"... something to think about. But I couldn't see an issue with idling a GT40 car vs a stock sr, the fuel metering would be about the same.

So, No, no problem at all.

[DJPimpFlex]

damn I just bought some 550s considering my lack of need for bigger ones, but it would have been nice to have some headroom.. oh well just money right.

[S14DB]

So, The type I's your idle quality and MPG goes down when you goto 740's over 550's.

You are saying the Type II's your idle quality and mpg will not go down with the 850's over the 550's?

[johngriff]

Yes, exactly S14DB.

[drftwerks]

john where is the best source you have found for the type II so far?

[garbury]

I'm running the 850s on my sr and havent had any issues, though ive flooded the motor twice in the past year and a half (quick fix). Idle, afr, everything is as good as stock 370s. Some tips:

-Got mine from rhdjapan off ebay. cheap and everything was included.

-you can take apart the factory nissan clips and pull out the wire/pin and just snap it straight into the older toyota connector so you can avoid soldering on such a short harness.

[juggernaut1]

I'm running 1000cc Sards in my modded S15 - runs sweet. Idle at 1000 rpm due to cams.

[jr_ss]

john where is the best source you have found for the type II so far?

I bought mine from rhdjapan.com... They were having a sale and I picked 850cc's up for $475 shipped. I'm not sure what they are going for right now, but everything you need to install them comes with them.

[KoukiMonsta]

im running SARD 850's in my gt25 redtop no problems, like juggernaut said tho idle is a lil high due to cams.

[Jbma327]

I have SARD 555cc injectors on my red top. They are great and I haven't heard anybody that had problems with them so far. The only thing about use the Sard is that you will need to cut off the stock injector plugs and use the SARD plugs. (MAKE SURE YOU WIRE THEM CORRECTLY!!!)

If you want injectors that are plug and play then go with NISMO/TOMIE/APEXi. They have the same plugs as your stock harness.

prior to installin the new injectors replace and use o-rings and I usually apply a small thin coat of white grease on the o-rings so that they will fall into place smoothly and to avoid tearing the seals. white grease will also make it easier to remove the injectors later on as well.