Best Turbo kit!

[xNotoriousGQx]

Okay it's time to take my 240sx to the next level. Since no one bid on it on ebay. I decided to go turbo. There are 3 major turbo kits out there for the 95-98 240sx.  I can't de cide which one to get for my 97 240sx auto. I need suggestions and advice. The three kits are 1) XS engineering
2) F-Max kit 3)nsport. 4? Greddy (if it ever comes out). Which one produces the most hp for stage 1 kit? most reliable? price? price? best turbo kit overall?

[saga240]

id say you email marty king about his opinions on the fmax kit.. he is the one that was recently selling his car with the stage 3 fmax kit with the auto tranny..

[boosteds14]

i would defintly go with f-max. but because i sell them but i believe it is so reliable. plus with the JWT plug and boost ECU, its granted to give you the most reliable turbokit around.

I cant wait for greddy to get there kit out either.

[Tictakman]

boosted...how much are u looking to get for ur car?  is it manual?

Id also like to know everyones opinion on who makes the best turbo kit.  best bang for the buck and why!

later
Zak

[S14lover]

Dunno im torn between the Nsport and the F-Maxx i mean for the price the nsport package is great plus a guy i know(sounds funny) has an nsport and he loves it! <img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/devil.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':devil:'>

[boosteds14]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Tictakman @ Oct. 27 2002,10:26)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">boosted...how much are u looking to get for ur car? is it manual?

Id also like to know everyones opinion on who makes the best turbo kit. best bang for the buck and why!

later
Zak</td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'>
well i would sell the car with for $29k

its alot, but i am not looking to sell it right now. but i will if the price is right

[xNotoriousGQx]

Here's what each turbo kit comes with:

F-Max
FMAX HIGH-CARBON CAST-STEEL TURBO MANIFOLD
CLOSED-LOOP MANDREL BENT DOWNPIPE
INTERCOOLER PIPING
T3/T4E HYBRID TURBOCHARGER
DELTAGATE EXTERNAL WASTEGATE
INTERCOOLER
K&N AIR FILTER
HKS RACING BYPASS VALVE
JIM WOLF TECHNOLOGY ECU
NISSAN 370CC FUEL INJECTORS
PRICE ABOUT 4300 + shipping

NSPORT
Garrett T04B-R turbocharger
Cast iron exhaust manifold
Turbonetics Deltagate wastegate (7psi)
Downpipe
Bosch blow-off valve
Front mount intercooler and intercooler piping 24"x11"x2.75
Fuel Management Unit
Walbro in-tank replacement high-flow fuel pump
All related hoses, lines, clamps and miscellaneous hardware
PRICE ABOUT 4000 +shipping

XS Engineering
T3/T04 Hybrid turbocharger, rugged cast iron exhaust manifold, an external wastegate, a 2.75" intake and 2.25" intercooler piping, and HKS Super Mega Flow air filter, Vortech FMU, and all necessary oil lines and fasteners.
PRICE about 4000+shipping

[Tictakman]

ya thats out of my price range.

xNotoriousGQx- how much are u looking to get for ur car?is it manual.

Zak

[Jeff240sx]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Tictakman @ Oct. 28 2002,12:24)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">ya thats out of my price range.

xNotoriousGQx- how much are u looking to get for ur car?is it manual.

Zak</td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'>
Are you just trying to buy cars here?
-Jeff

[Tictakman]

no im just trying to find the right one!! <img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':)'>

Zak

[boosteds14]

here is the difference that you should look at the most:
FMAX:JIM WOLF TECHNOLOGY ECU
NSPORT:Fuel Management Unit
XS Engineering:Vortech FMU


plus nsport comes with a bosch BOV, come on. that is low budget

[ATL S13]

Just so you know.. www.phase2motortrend.com has the nsport kit for 3900 and the XS kit for 3400.

[xNotoriousGQx]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Tictakman @ Oct. 27 2002,01:24)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">ya thats out of my price range.

xNotoriousGQx- how much are u looking to get for ur car?is it manual.

Zak</td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'>
Trying to get 11g.

[Tictakman]

damn, thats a little too much too. &nbsp;oh well i will find one sometime.

so what turno kit are you going with?

Zak

[kbounds]

The thing to remember is that the F-Max kit doesn't COME with the JWT ecu. &nbsp;You have to get it separately (~$5-600).

[gabossie]

How much do the different stages cost for the fmax?

[stil bil]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (kbounds @ Oct. 29 2002,2:13)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">The thing to remember is that the F-Max kit doesn't COME with the JWT ecu. You have to get it separately (~$5-600).</td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'>
this is were you are mistaken, it does come with the JWT ECU


check it out (http://www.f-max.com/NISSAN.htm)

[Kreator]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (stil bil @ Oct. 29 2002,7:15)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"></span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (kbounds @ Oct. 29 2002,2:13)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">The thing to remember is that the F-Max kit doesn't COME with the JWT ecu. You have to get it separately (~$5-600).</td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'>
this is were you are mistaken, it does come with the JWT ECU


check it out (http://www.f-max.com/NISSAN.htm)</td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'>
That site hasn't been updated for years. It was way before JWT started sending there ecus to late and F-Max switched to rrfpr. You still can get the jwt ecu with the kit, but i don't know if it's extra price or anything. Your are better off asking jeff. All i know is that they have 2 different sets...

And the best t-kit is the one you put together by yerself. All the stuff u want and none that you don't want. And you don't pay more than what it actually costs <img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/thumbs-up.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':thumbsup:'>

[flipboi13]

Yeah, the cheapest way is to buy the parts separetely, it may take more work, but is alot cheaper. &nbsp;I'd bet you can save $1000 if you do it right and with the best parts to boot.

My friend who has connections at GReddy said that the GReddy kit WILL come out, but since there really isn't that much demand, it is taking longer so there is less people getting it done. &nbsp;Since this is GReddy's reputation, they are getting the kit perfected so having a small staff do this takes time....

I may have imagined him saying this, but I think he told me next summer... but then I was also sniffing differential fluid hours before.

[Kreator]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (flipboi13 @ Oct. 29 2002,8:59)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Yeah, the cheapest way is to buy the parts separetely, it may take more work, but is alot cheaper. I'd bet you can save $1000 if you do it right and with the best parts to boot.

My friend who has connections at GReddy said that the GReddy kit WILL come out, but since there really isn't that much demand, it is taking longer so there is less people getting it done. Since this is GReddy's reputation, they are getting the kit perfected so having a small staff do this takes time....

I may have imagined him saying this, but I think he told me next summer... but then I was also sniffing differential fluid hours before.</td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'>
Lol, I bet by the time greddy comes out with a kat, every ka out there will be alrdy turboed <img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':)'> how long is it taking em? a year? a couple?

[Evil S14]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (saga240 @ Oct. 27 2002,5:44)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">id say you email marty king about his opinions on the fmax kit.. he is the one that was recently selling his car with the stage 3 fmax kit with the auto tranny..</td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'>
I met the kid who bought his 240 nd he was a cock, i hope hes on here. &nbsp;He wouldn't even give me the time of day like he actually build the fuckin thing. &nbsp;anyways, Chris May also has a mean ass turbo on his KA24, he pushed 435hp out on 22psi, u should email him, umm but i dont have his info

[flipboi13]

Haha, i think its been like 3 years... but who's counting... &nbsp;Though the manifold may be stainless steel with the strength compared to that of the revhard manifold which is cast iron, so that may be something to wait for or upgrade to. &nbsp;I'm still thinking between Revhard or wait and see what GReddy throws at us.

[Jeff240sx]

Stainless isn't the optimal metal for extreme heat applications... and right between the header and compressor is about the most extreme a car can give. &nbsp;This is all hearsay, but it was just discussed on FA a few weeks ago. &nbsp;A few of the reasons I can remember is that stainless gets malleable, retains heat too much, and discolors. &nbsp;There were other reasons, but I wasn't paying that close attention. &nbsp;So we need a metallurgist to post in this topic now to clear things up.
-Jeff

[boosteds14]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (gabossie @ Oct. 29 2002,4:42)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">How much do the different stages cost for the fmax?</td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'>
email me for pricing
[email protected]

[boosteds14]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Kreator @ Oct. 29 2002,10:37)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"></span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (stil bil @ Oct. 29 2002,7:15)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"></span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (kbounds @ Oct. 29 2002,2:13)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">The thing to remember is that the F-Max kit doesn't COME with the JWT ecu. You have to get it separately (~$5-600).</td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'>
this is were you are mistaken, it does come with the JWT ECU


check it out (http://www.f-max.com/NISSAN.htm)</td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'>
That site hasn't been updated for years. It was way before JWT started sending there ecus to late and F-Max switched to rrfpr. You still can get the jwt ecu with the kit, but i don't know if it's extra price or anything. Your are better off asking jeff. All i know is that they have 2 different sets...

And the best t-kit is the one you put together by yerself. All the stuff u want and none that you don't want. And you don't pay more than what it actually costs <img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/thumbs-up.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':thumbsup:'></td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'>
comes with an rrpfr??

<img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/confused.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt='???'> <img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/confused.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt='???'>
let me call f-max, i never heard of that.

the f-max kit stop including the JWT because there was several cases in which the customer was waiting for the kit but could not be sent out because the ECU was not finished.
Now they lowered the price. You are recommended to get the JWT ecu, but you dont have too. its up to the customer. It gives more options to the consumer; stand alone, JWT, piggy back system, rrpfr.

the stage 1 still comes with Nissan 370cc injectors.- consumer just needs to control them somehow, ie. JWT ecu

stage 2 still comes with the 300zx fuel pump, 550cc injectors, and Cobra MAF sensor.

the consumer also has the choice of a different turbine A/R's, depending on how much boost they want to run and the spool up time.

the good thing about buying a turbo kit is that it fits for the car. the intercooler, manifold, downpipe is already to install. custom kits makes you have fit the cars correctly.

hope this answers alot of questions. I will call f-max today and make sure about the rrpfr thing. i will post with their reply.

Jeff

[email protected]

[Kreator]

Hmm i'm not sure on the rrfpr thing. I just remember the time when f-max had problems with JWT. I asked jeff240sx about that and he said they went with rrfpr instead of jwt and then later on at one of the meets i talked to a guy who had a friend who was a dealer of f-max's kits too and he confirmed that. So that's as far as my knowledge goes.

[boosteds14]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">later on at one of the meets i talked to a guy who had a friend who was a dealer of f-max's kits too and he confirmed that. So that's as far as my knowledge goes. </td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'>

was his friend's name, Nathan from PA.
he deals f-max on the east coast also.

[Kreator]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (boosteds14 @ Oct. 30 2002,11:30)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"></span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">later on at one of the meets i talked to a guy who had a friend who was a dealer of f-max's kits too and he confirmed that. So that's as far as my knowledge goes. </td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'>

was his friend's name, Nathan from PA.
he deals f-max on the east coast also.</td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'>
Yeah i think that was his name... I'm not completely sure, it was like 3-4 months ago. Did you figure out anything about the rrfprs in their kits?

[boosteds14]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Kreator @ Oct. 30 2002,1:35)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"></span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (boosteds14 @ Oct. 30 2002,11:30)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"></span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">later on at one of the meets i talked to a guy who had a friend who was a dealer of f-max's kits too and he confirmed that. So that's as far as my knowledge goes. </td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'>

was his friend's name, Nathan from PA.
he deals f-max on the east coast also.</td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'>
Yeah i think that was his name... I'm not completely sure, it was like 3-4 months ago. Did you figure out anything about the rrfprs in their kits?</td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'>
Just got off the phone.
NO

they do not provide a rrpfr.
must get the JWT ecu or whatever you wish to get.

[240racer]

</td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'>Stainless isn't the optimal metal for extreme heat applications... and right between the header and compressor is about the most extreme a car can give. &nbsp;This is all hearsay, but it was just discussed on FA a few weeks ago. &nbsp;A few of the reasons I can remember is that stainless gets malleable, retains heat too much, and discolors. &nbsp;There were other reasons, but I wasn't paying that close attention. &nbsp;So we need a metallurgist to post in this topic now to clear things up.
-Jeff</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">



inconel is the choice for exhaust, but nobody except f1 does it. &nbsp;also Titanium is better then stainless, but more expensive. &nbsp;check out www.burnsstainless.com for more info. &nbsp;For the rest of us, stainless is just fine.
http://www.burnsstainless.com/TechArticles/Inconel_article/ferrari_inconel.jpg

[Jeff240sx]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (boosteds14 @ Oct. 30 2002,12:54)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Just got off the phone.
NO

they do not provide a rrpfr.
must get the JWT ecu or whatever you wish to get.</td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'>
Yeah. &nbsp;I didn't know the specifics on what they gave, but I knew that it wasn't a JWT ecu anymore.
-Jeff

[cnichols]

Stainless not the optimal metal? There may be better metals out there like 240Racer stated (btw, thanks for that website..cool stuff), but at what cost? If you think cast iron would be a better choice you're badly mistaken...I've talked to too many people who have had the RevHard manifold crack (in more than one place). Also, yes Stainless does expand, but it is somewhat flexible and does not easily crack, unlike cast iron...just adjust for that in the design. Also, Stainless is LOW in thermal conductivity...meaning it doesn't absorb heat as easily as some metals.

You guys are on here taking shortcuts in all the wrong places...(mainly engine management...you'd have to be retarded to choose the JWT ECU over a standalone) and you criticize stainless steel as the manifold metal? COME ON!!!

[Jeff240sx]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (cnichols @ Oct. 31 2002,01:13)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Stainless not the optimal metal? There may be better metals out there like 240Racer stated (btw, thanks for that website..cool stuff), but at what cost? If you think cast iron would be a better choice you're badly mistaken...I've talked to too many people who have had the RevHard manifold crack (in more than one place). Also, yes Stainless does expand, but it is somewhat flexible and does not easily crack, unlike cast iron...just adjust for that in the design. Also, Stainless is LOW in thermal conductivity...meaning it doesn't absorb heat as easily as some metals.

You guys are on here taking shortcuts in all the wrong places...(mainly engine management...you'd have to be retarded to choose the JWT ECU over a standalone) and you criticize stainless steel as the manifold metal? COME ON!!!</td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'>
Ok guy. &nbsp;I gave the source of the info, and the fact that I didn't pay much attention to it, so I wasn't sure, but if someone wanted to find out more, there was a lead. &nbsp;I never said cast iron was better, and I don't know what it, but...
Then, the RH manifold was redesigned to prevent cracking.
Finally, the "you'd have to be retarded..." comment. &nbsp;Mabey, or just broke. &nbsp;Don't be an ass.
-Jeff

[boosteds14]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Jeff240sx @ Oct. 31 2002,02:19)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"></span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (cnichols @ Oct. 31 2002,01:13)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Stainless not the optimal metal? There may be better metals out there like 240Racer stated (btw, thanks for that website..cool stuff), but at what cost? If you think cast iron would be a better choice you're badly mistaken...I've talked to too many people who have had the RevHard manifold crack (in more than one place). Also, yes Stainless does expand, but it is somewhat flexible and does not easily crack, unlike cast iron...just adjust for that in the design. Also, Stainless is LOW in thermal conductivity...meaning it doesn't absorb heat as easily as some metals.

You guys are on here taking shortcuts in all the wrong places...(mainly engine management...you'd have to be retarded to choose the JWT ECU over a standalone) and you criticize stainless steel as the manifold metal? COME ON!!!</td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'>
Ok guy. I gave the source of the info, and the fact that I didn't pay much attention to it, so I wasn't sure, but if someone wanted to find out more, there was a lead. I never said cast iron was better, and I don't know what it, but...
Then, the RH manifold was redesigned to prevent cracking.
Finally, the "you'd have to be retarded..." comment. Mabey, or just broke. Don't be an ass.
-Jeff</td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'>
sorry dude. but not everyone can afford a standalone.
plus it is the installation and tuning the requires alot of money also. not everyone knows how to tune it. my first time tuning a haltech was in a supra. i learned from someone helping me. Now i can do it almost blindfolded. but still, it is not a walk in the park.

[Kreator]

Blah. I can't even afford the JWT as of right now... &nbsp;<img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/cry.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':cry:'>

[boosteds14]

kreator- ur mail box is full, i cant reply.
but yes i have a stock FPR

[bizarroxxx]

Hey man if you are serious about the F-MAX kit, call up my buddy Nate Weeber, he is the largest F-MAX distributer in the country, and he will be able to answer all of you're questions, and pro's and cons on each kit in a profesional manner, I am sure he would love to talk to you or anyone else that needs advice!!! His number is 1-717-269-1160 LEAVE A MESSAGE if he doesn't answer. This guy is really cool. Give him a try...He has a 200sx that is now on on of the nissan magazine sites, I don't know which one, but he is putting down some serious power with his sr20de!!!! <img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/devil.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':devil:'>

[95Blue240sx]

well i just had a couple questions. im leaning more to the way of the nsprt kit. but in the ways of fuel management what exactly does the JWT ecu do? if i got lower comp pistons with new injectors(~350cc) what kinda boost could i run? would i need forged crank and rods too? why doesnt anyone run a VPC instead of a MAF? i know i had more questions but im still going through tall the search results. thanks.

[95Blue240sx]

what about install? does it come complete with instructions and stuff? if i needed help, like with oil lines and such would you guys know? im sure you would, but just making sure.

[viCeVerSa]

hmmmmmmmmmmmm

[nissandrifter]

Damn thats too much money just for a turbo KA kit. Just build your own turbo kit from junkyard parts, or get a RB25DET for like the same price that those companies are asking for their turbo kits.

[95Blue240sx]

well im not planning on going in a straight line. i want to use the stock motor and want to be able to get the parts asap without waiting. and right now a kit seems the best way.

can someone answer those questions for me? jeff i know you pretty logical on this kind of stuff. thanks.