small battery (read my criteria first) for s13 FMIC

[handinpants]

I have an s13 and i also have a FMIC that i would like to install, but first i would like to get a small battery which is not very expensive, but it must have enough reserve power to maintain my system which has two amps, 1 sub and 4 speakers, and my lights occasionally... any suggestions, i am looking for something cheap and something that is reliable

-steve:ughug:

[w0nderbr3ad]

check out the braille batteries in the advertiser specials forum.

[racepar1]

Whatever battery you get will most likely not be enough to support those amps without capacitors. You need at least two capacitors.

[slider2828]

Nope there aren't going be any batteries that supports your audio equipment. Try also SVT.

[Nachtmensch]

ever think about relocating your battery?

[eulalia]

i use a miata battery from Kregen

it has a warranty if it dies on you, but just dont use your system with your car off

but best thing for you would be to relocate your battery, make your life a lot easier

[astrophixvox]

Best thing is to relocate.

[racepar1]

Best thing is to relocate.

Nah man! The BEST thing is to lose the system and use whatever battery you want! Systems are lame.

[nissanguy13]

as soon as you put in the words cheap you pretty much lost all your options. Any small battery is going to have a hard time keeping up with stereo equipment. Spend the $60 and get your self a relocation kit from summit racing.

[yarou]

Best thing is to relocate.


^best? best how? Just get a small lightweight battery and call it a day, a relocation kit or the stuff required to move it back costs 1/2 as much as a new battery anyway.

[jackal264]

^best? best how? Just get a small lightweight battery and call it a day, a relocation kit or the stuff required to move it back costs 1/2 as much as a new battery anyway.


but the point is that in all likely hood there won't be a small battery that can handle his audio so in reality the $60 for a relocation kit is definetly smarter and more economical.

[yarou]

but the point is that in all likely hood there won't be a small battery that can handle his audio so in reality the $60 for a relocation kit is definetly smarter and more economical.

:cj: Psssssh, double that shit uppp. Seperate battery for the audio

In all seriousness though, I guess a relocation would be better for you. They sell kits for like 80 bucks or some jazz at any auto store

[wayneside]

try a kinetik battery...alot of audio ppl use them.

i did a small battery up front and a big optima in the back.

[MrChow]

try a kinetik battery...alot of audio ppl use them.

i did a small battery up front and a big optima in the back. Kinetik have some nice batteries. They cost a lot more though.

[opponheimer]

How about you reweld your cold pipe to allow for the large battery up front.. I did that, I freaking love it.

[corriganjoshua]

If you want a reliable battery up front i think your gunna end up spending a little extra for a good battery...if you relocate to the back it will cost what 50 bucks and you will have the cheap and reliable battery you want...+1 for ditching the system

[SR201AB]

Use a batcap battery you can get some that are 800 cranking amps and there the quarter the size of a regular battery. They are non-spillable and there like 70% battery and 30% capacitor.

[S-Nation S13]

look at odyssey batteries...just not buddy clud rsv-25 there to small and mine got all used up an all i added was fogs and altima dual fans

[SILVIA_KIDs14.5]

bump Braile auto works with my 2 10's and 500 watt amp

[used240sxparts]

http://www.zilvia.net/f/showthread.php?t=173003

[ecuastyle84]

i got a wesco battery...fits fine and works like a charm...heres the link:
http://phase2motorsports.stores.yahoo.net/wemihipeba.html

[wylin]

i got a wesco battery...fits fine and works like a charm...heres the link:
http://phase2motorsports.stores.yahoo.net/wemihipeba.html

i second that, westco is the way to go.

do not use the odyssey pc680 that i used, it tends to die after 18-24 months for me, and i don't have a system + live in sunny socal.

[opponheimer]

Im telling yall.. reweld your damn IC piping, to S around and under the battery tray.. It is way worth it. Fuck relocating a battery in my trunk, I like to put stuff in there.. Fuck little batteries, they suck and dont have good CCA...

[LA_phantom_240]

Whatever battery you get will most likely not be enough to support those amps without capacitors. You need at least two capacitors.

No.

No.

No.

Fail. Capacitors aren't a bandaid for electrical systems that can't keep up with your demands. What he needs to do is get a yellowtop and put it in the trunk. If he has a small battery, and 2 capacitors, and his electrical system can't keep a consistent voltage on the undersized battery, what is a capacitor going to do? Put more strain on the system. A 1 farad capacitor will discharge in about .05 seconds if I remember correctly.

Also look into an s14 KA alternator that was equipped with fogs. 90 amps vs 80amps on your s13 alternator. That is, if you have a KA of course.

[slider2828]

Westco is junk. If you go westco, just do intersate for miatas, at least you get a warranty for 6 years. Westco has 0 warranty pretty much and cost the same.

[racepar1]

No.

No.

No.

Fail. Capacitors aren't a bandaid for electrical systems that can't keep up with your demands. What he needs to do is get a yellowtop and put it in the trunk. If he has a small battery, and 2 capacitors, and his electrical system can't keep a consistent voltage on the undersized battery, what is a capacitor going to do? Put more strain on the system. A 1 farad capacitor will discharge in about .05 seconds if I remember correctly.

Also look into an s14 KA alternator that was equipped with fogs. 90 amps vs 80amps on your s13 alternator. That is, if you have a KA of course.

Capacitors store a charge for times of high electrical load, they are kinda like auxiliary batteries. ANYONE with a system should have capacitors. Trust me I have built some EXTREMELY sick systems back in the day. Even yellow top doesn't have enough reserve capacity to keep the lights and shit from dimming when the bass hits. GET REAL!

[Maxstyle]

I've had good luck with my setu up. I took the old relay box and used that as the base for the bat. Then i Welded small side edge to hold it and a tab to hold a screw to bolt it down.

http://www.zilvia.net/f/vbpgimage.php?do=full&p=2022&d=1204053566

[legacy927]

hahaha...i have a s14 wit fmic and odessey battery..it sux, no system or window washer fluid..LOL

[180sx_Drifter]

I once had a solobaric 15inch sub in my trunk powered by a 2000watt amp and 1.5 farad capacitor and fmic with miata battery and still didnt have enough power. decided to sell the system and everything works fine now. Better to relocate the battery. but you have to have a capacitor in order to run a system that big with enough power.

[300hp owen]

relocate!
then since you have audio equipment, use a nice big fat battery way out back and actually gain better (more towards 50/50) weight balance for the car.

or ditch the audio and run a super small lawnmower battery or spend the $$$ for a braille or odyssey :)

http://homepage.mac.com/owen_the_soyboy/.Pictures/Updates/odyssey05.jpg

http://homepage.mac.com/owen_the_soyboy/.Pictures/Updates/odyssey04.jpg
http://homepage.mac.com/owen_the_soyboy/.Pictures/Updates/odyssey03.jpg
http://homepage.mac.com/owen_the_soyboy/.Pictures/Updates/odyssey02.jpg
http://homepage.mac.com/owen_the_soyboy/.Pictures/Updates/odyssey01.jpg

[S14monkey]

Is there a recommended lawn mower battery to use?

[MrFairlady]

Just to let some people know (may already) - The LEXUS RX400 Hybrid uses a Pretty small battery - they actually came w/ Optima's @ 1st year I believe.

Working there I can get one For $60 (employee) - $85+/- I think for "regular Joe".

I think its still bigger than a Braille but CCA is like in the 5-600 IIRC.
I was planning on running 1 of those depending on what my FMIC piping has room for.Might be too big...but a Relocate would def be worth it.

[Team Aero-K]

Id go with Braille Auto battery if you have $$ to spend, contact Eddie @ Spool-Up Racing.com he will give you a good deal if you tell him Raffi sent ya!!!

Or

you can go with a Miata battery which are small and do not require relocation, we have done this to a few cars.....but of course, Braille Auto looks better =)

[LA_phantom_240]

Capacitors store a charge for times of high electrical load, they are kinda like auxiliary batteries. ANYONE with a system should have capacitors. Trust me I have built some EXTREMELY sick systems back in the day. Even yellow top doesn't have enough reserve capacity to keep the lights and shit from dimming when the bass hits. GET REAL!

No. Capacitors have their places, don't get me wrong... but for 98% of your amateur ground pounders, capacitors are just another load on the electrical system. And also, if they are for 'high electrical load', then please explain to me how this pretty much defies the laws of physics in that electricity will follow the path of least resistance? If the alternator can't keep up with the current draw, the alternator cannot charge the capacitor. So once the draw goes down, the alternator begins charging the capacitor again, because it's internal resistance is lower than your battery. And one last thing, capacitors you can buy (or pretty much any capacitor under 100 Farads) are going to discharge under heavy load within milliseconds and so they really don't do any good. And my yellowtop keeps up just fine with my stone age class A/B monster amps. Gotta love their inefficiency. Would you like to discuss this further?

[racepar1]

The alternator charges the battery, the battery charges the capacitors. The alternator charge wire goes straight to the battery, the capacitors are wired to the battery. It is not possible for the capacitors to "steal" the charge from the battery as the easiest path to ground is the battery. To get to the capacitors the charge must travel through a few feet of extra wiring, which has additional resistance. Capacitors act as a buffer between the battery and the amps when the electrical load is high. If you have a high powered system without capacitors then it is not wired correctly. I BUILT systems that won sound competitions, I know exactly what I am talking about.

[Tearlessj]

http://homepage.mac.com/owen_the_soyboy/.Pictures/Updates/odyssey05.jpg


Nice man, Where'd you get the mount?

On another not, I run a 600 watt system on my tiny Odyssey and its fine.

[Bushido]

how do you guys get SAE terminals on lawnmower batteries? all of thier terminals are funky...

[LA_phantom_240]

The alternator charges the battery, the battery charges the capacitors. The alternator charge wire goes straight to the battery, the capacitors are wired to the battery. It is not possible for the capacitors to "steal" the charge from the battery as the easiest path to ground is the battery. To get to the capacitors the charge must travel through a few feet of extra wiring, which has additional resistance. Capacitors act as a buffer between the battery and the amps when the electrical load is high. If you have a high powered system without capacitors then it is not wired correctly. I BUILT systems that won sound competitions, I know exactly what I am talking about.
:ugh: Sure....


Capacitors don't choose when they discharge. If they have a charge, and the amp decides to draw some current, it draws from the capacitor first because it has the lowest resistance. Now, I remind you that a capacitor discharges in milliseconds.

[opponheimer]

Is there a recommended lawn mower battery to use?

If you live in at least 60 degree weather all the time and don't have much of a sound system, you can use the ones at advanced..

Otherwise I wouldnt recommend anything.

heres a little ms paint i made of how to direct a pipe around the battery tray leaving it intact... its real sloppy

http://www.bizlocker.com/cars/s14/coldpipemod.JPG

[Skeeg]

http://www.frsport.com/Westco-Mini-Battery-12V_p_1064.html

that could be the best small battery you can get im going to say, i plan to run it myself.

[Bushido]

I live in south florida. it gets colder than 60 degrees maybe twice a year. cold cranking amps are not a concern for me.

I found this 12 volt lawnmower sealed battery for half the price of the one on frsport, thing is it dosnt have SAE terminals, has anyone converted this type of battery to accept sae terminals?
http://ebatteriestogo.com/merchant2/graphics/00000001/12V14L-B-LG.jpg

[Sileighty_85]

yes you can find post terminals that will connect to those
But...I dont know where to get them, but it can be done cuz my buddy has them on a wheel chair battery in his car lol

[SR_Elliott24]

Just run capacitors with your system. If you live near a Fry's electronics you can get a 1.5 Farad Capacitor for about $20 when they go on sale. Get a distributor block for the amps and run one capacitor for each amp. If you live near a fry's electronics you can get 2 capacitors for about $40.

[racepar1]

:ugh: Sure....


Capacitors don't choose when they discharge. If they have a charge, and the amp decides to draw some current, it draws from the capacitor first because it has the lowest resistance. Now, I remind you that a capacitor discharges in milliseconds.


And the amps are only drawing a HEAVY load for miliseconds at a time, as bass is a pulse, the lights dim for longer because it takes time for the alternator an battery to "catch up".

[jskateborders]

How about you reweld your cold pipe to allow for the large battery up front.. I did that, I freaking love it.
Didnt you used to run a motorcycle battery? Howd that treat you?

[KA-T_240]

I use a stinger car audio battery. But it is relocated.

[opponheimer]

Didnt you used to run a motorcycle battery? Howd that treat you?

It was fine until leaving my audio on and the car off for 10 minutes drained the batery to less than 12V

A bigger battery treats me better..