s12 200sx v6

[poserpro]

so i was lookin on ebay motors and i came across this...
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Nissan-200SX-S12-V6-Silvia-before-240SX_W0QQitemZ230225681917QQcmdZViewItem?hash=ite m230225681917

interesting...never seen or heard of it before.

[usdm180sx]

That's because these cars were rare and being manufactured back when you were just born

[SW20Racer]

yeah, my friend trevor had a v6 s12 and he fuckin hated it (vg30e is a pain in the ass to work on) so he chucked that shit for a ka24e. said it was the best decision he ever made working on that car

[poserpro]

so... what theres like 100 in the world or something? lol it looks nice though

[sweet89s13]

no they arent that rare, just that the car went by the wayside came with ca18 or vg30e. Just not that popular of a car

[Phlip]

I see just as many with the VG around here as I do with the CA.
Not to say I see a LOT of either, just the ones I do see are more often than not the ones with the V6 in them.

[flawlessflo3190]

hahaa....i own one and its the v6....for now im trying go sr20det ....but if i could get my hands on the autech version of the s15 sr i.d do it.....i wanna build a nasty all motor.....and then maybe a rebuild on vg and a supercharger but that wont come till like 7 years from now....ill keep ya'll informed....

[240sx_LE]

I've seen a VG30E and a CA18ET S12 in the junkyard... once. Never outside of the junkyard though.

[The Chad]

I've seen a VG30E and a CA18ET S12 in the junkyard... once. Never outside of the junkyard though.

^^ Exactly^^ Most older nissans were very prone to rust and to be quite honest on the less expensive models, more cheaply built IMO. My buddy has an S12 turbo model,. He used to Love it till he "finished" his car..i.e. got it running again...and then i spanked him on the highway with a stock KA24DE.

I love the layout and look of the car and the 1980'sness ( my decade :) ) But if you are looking for reliable Hp you might be looking to do one of the myriads of Nissan motor swaps out there :) Cool car though and good luck with your choice.

[sweet89s13]

my buddy had the vg in his s12 and i have to say we had a TON of fun, being a small car the vg is a torque monster in that chassis. Very fun to toss around. i would like to pick one up, just having to find a clean example like that one.

[VAs13]

theres a decent one of those sitting in the junkyard by my house

[g6civcx]

^^ Exactly^^ Most older nissans were very prone to rust and to be quite honest on the less expensive models, more cheaply built IMO.

FYI, S12s have thicker sheet metal than S13s. That's why S12s weigh more, but are also less prone to rust.

Compare an average S12 to an average S13. The S12 will have less rust even though it's older.

[2fast240]

I had one, timing belt snapped and I junked it. Too bad, I wish I had known they were rare. Thing was a blast while it was working though.

[Cloud9]

there only "rare" cuz everyone junked them back in the 80s

[thejapino]

Old school Datsun guys love using the 200sx setup for their 510's. Engine crossmember, front lower ca's, front struts. I spoke to a guy that said everything swapped over lowering the front 2" with the VG setup. I miss my 510

[an_orange_s2k]

dont really like the look but it might grow on me

[96Turbo]

this is the first example i've seen of a japanese car that actually received a bigger/more powerful engine in the states. we usually get the shaft on decent engine options, but this seems to be an exception.

[smellslikecurry]

i just sold mine an hour ago :(

its a fun car to drive...not as nimble as the s13 but fun regardless...

[worr20]

did someone say 200sx

http://i80.photobucket.com/albums/j189/90mr2t/DSC01231.jpg
http://i80.photobucket.com/albums/j189/90mr2t/DSC01232.jpg

Thats my baby. Powered by a Dohc KA...chee KA All Day

[reflexdb]

Thats straight up old skool OG. I love it.

[g6civcx]

this is the first example i've seen of a japanese car that actually received a bigger/more powerful engine in the states. we usually get the shaft on decent engine options, but this seems to be an exception.

Don't forget people in Japan who got upset over the US STi.

[SW20Racer]

did someone say 200sx
Thats my baby. Powered by a Dohc KA...chee KA All Day

cleeeannnnnn...i'm either going to pick one of these up, or an old-old datsun pickup. we'll see...

[johngriff]

hmmm S12 kids will never do anything cool, because if you own an s12, you are probably too broke to eat at chili's

VG30DE In an S12 I did.

http://www.rpsportengineering.com/Pictures/S12/S1202.jpg

I have a ton of S12 performance parts mocked up, that club-s12 kids would never pay for. The S12 coupe is one of my favorite cars though, put together right its an AE86 Killer.

[worr20]

Frick I hate clubs12 I think I just got banned for calling someone gay

[drift freaq]

this is the first example i've seen of a japanese car that actually received a bigger/more powerful engine in the states. we usually get the shaft on decent engine options, but this seems to be an exception.

What are you talking about? You could get S12's in Japan with FJ20's!!

[johngriff]

and ca18det's.

Dude dave, no one knows what they are talking about anymore..

[ThatGuy]

Be easy on the young my friends.

They know not their heritage.

[The Chad]

FYI, S12s have thicker sheet metal than S13s. That's why S12s weigh more, but are also less prone to rust.

Compare an average S12 to an average S13. The S12 will have less rust even though it's older.

I guess I was thinking more along the lines of my 79' Datsun 280ZX and my buddy's S12 200SX...Both had major rust issues and neither one saw northern roads. I mean, even thicker sheet metal would still yield surface rust, it would just take longer for the rust to work it's way through. From some research on the older Z's and early Nissan models I had done when i had the 280ZX ( i was 17 at the time :) )everyone complained about random surface rust and bubbling paint issues.

But back to the 200SX/S12 Love em'!! I love the AE86 ness of them :). 1980's were the birth period of only a select few decently styled cars, and this was one.

[96Turbo]

What are you talking about? You could get S12's in Japan with FJ20's!!
and ca18det's.

Dude dave, no one knows what they are talking about anymore..

Well, it appears that i have been schooled. My initial assumptions from the given information led me to believe the v6 was unique and/or superior to us americanos. Forgive me fathers, for i know not what i've done. Your humbleness,

-J-

[yarou]

Yeah, s12's are gay. I hate that shit, and I speak from experience

http://i46.photobucket.com/albums/f102/nenhenry/poop.jpg






I have a ton of S12 performance parts mocked up, that club-s12 kids would never pay for. The S12 coupe is one of my favorite cars though, put together right its an AE86 Killer.

Parts like what? And yeah, I'm sorry. Club-s12 kids are cheap as fuck.

"what? s13 spindles are how much? where can i find cheap blown to shit front s13 coils to do the conversion?"

"seriously? megan's s12 coilovers came out? sweet. -what the fuck? they require s13 conversion? what the fuck? they're 900 bucks?"

[oldschoolsilvia]

Yeah, s12's are gay. I hate that shit, and I speak from experience

Parts like what? And yeah, I'm sorry. Club-s12 kids are cheap as fuck.

"what? s13 spindles are how much? where can i find cheap blown to shit front s13 coils to do the conversion?"

"seriously? megan's s12 coilovers came out? sweet. -what the fuck? they require s13 conversion? what the fuck? they're 900 bucks?"

LOL yeah I can totally vouch for some cheapness on that board! Been on it way too long :fruit:

S12's are somewhat fun... I enjoyed mine... Not a bad little car... :D

[revat619]

"hmmm S12 kids will never do anything cool, because if you own an s12, you are probably too broke to eat at chili's"

that had me crackin up! :rofl:

[flclsteve]

wow my mom had one of these when i was a baby

[johngriff]

I had strut bars. Down Pipes, Cat backs, Sway Bars, Rear ADJUSTABLE LCA's, rear coils (those were easy). Sparco Bottom mount seat brackets.

I was the first to put an RB in one, and first to put a VG30DE in one. The hatch is a heavy pig, the coupe is white lightning.

I didn't mean to offend anyone. I know that there are a couple S12 guys (I think draconis) that have some dime, and actually did nice stuff to their cars. Other wise the BS of dirty mig welded AFM adapters, AFC install write ups, and spray painted strut tower bars had me running for the hills.

[g6civcx]

I guess I was thinking more along the lines of my 79' Datsun 280ZX and my buddy's S12 200SX...Both had major rust issues and neither one saw northern roads. I mean, even thicker sheet metal would still yield surface rust, it would just take longer for the rust to work it's way through. From some research on the older Z's and early Nissan models I had done when i had the 280ZX ( i was 17 at the time :) )everyone complained about random surface rust and bubbling paint issues.

All you have to do is feel the thickness of an S13 fender and then go feel one on an S12. It's not rocket science. Don't speculate if you don't know.

Everything rusts but the thicker the metal the harder it is to rust through. On average S12 frames are better than S13 in terms of longevity.


Back to the original point, I'm a previous S12 owner as well. Very nice car back in its days. Too bad they're all wrecked, junked, or messed up by kids.

[johngriff]

Yeah, I am going to agree on the rust thing.

I've torn apart and rebuilt about 10 s12's, and I have seen COUNTLESS S13's inside and out. The S12's almost DONT RUST. The only ones I have ever seen rust is the ca18et turbo models on the frame rail(exhaust side), but the damage was far less than the average S13 Drivers side frame rust.

[mr.lonelys12]

"hmmm S12 kids will never do anything cool, because if you own an s12, you are probably too broke to eat at chili's"

that had me crackin up! :rofl:

lol! no love for the s12!:bowrofl:

yes, most s12 owners are broke. its a kind of "swing what you got" kind of motto for us.
:fawk:

[yarou]

I had strut bars, Rear ADJUSTABLE LCA's


What the fuck? That shit is like revolutionary for s12's, where were you when I got one?

[DarkPhoenix]

this is the first example i've seen of a japanese car that actually received a bigger/more powerful engine in the states. we usually get the shaft on decent engine options, but this seems to be an exception.

Don't forget people in Japan who got upset over the US STi.


Don't forget about the IS300. Here in the US we got the 2JZ, everywhere else they got either the 2.0l Turbo 4, or the 2.0L Straight six.

[yarou]

Don't forget about the IS300. Here in the US we got the 2JZ, everywhere else they got either the 2.0l Turbo 4, or the 2.0L Straight six.

Their 2.0 i4 was the beams 3s-ge, it was NA and super rad.

[DarkPhoenix]

Their 2.0 i4 was the beams 3s-ge, it was NA and super rad.


I stand corrected. I thought the IS200 had a turbo.

[blu808]

S12:

a. Retarded corolla.
b. Fails at life.
c. Its like fuckin a fat chick.

[JeremyR]

so its cool till everyone knows you have one?

[blu808]

or your ridin one

[racepar1]

so its cool till everyone knows you have one?


ANY car can be cool. The thing is do you have the time, dedication, and money (or fabrication skill) to make it cool? With an s-12 almost NOTHING is off the shelf, YOU have to MAKE it or modify it to fit. I think an s-12 would be a fun project, and a very rewarding one if you do it right.

[turtl631]

Don't forget people in Japan who got upset over the US STi.

I don't know about that, I'd rather have the later EJ207 engines they got- twinscroll turbo, high revs (8k stock), AVCS, and forged pistons. Subaru follows the "give Americans less technology and more displacement" mantra almost as much as other manufacturers, but everyone was so geeked to finally get an STi here that they didn't really notice.

[The Chad]

Yeah, I am going to agree on the rust thing.

I've torn apart and rebuilt about 10 s12's, and I have seen COUNTLESS S13's inside and out. The S12's almost DONT RUST. The only ones I have ever seen rust is the ca18et turbo models on the frame rail(exhaust side), but the damage was far less than the average S13 Drivers side frame rust.

Yeah i suppose i was speaking from experience with only a few, either junkyard cars (which would be rusty from sitting), and my friend's S12 (which may have just been a crappy one). And my friend did have a CA18 model. But still, i know when to back down and let the people who obviously know more step up :) So....I'm sure the people that have owned them would know much more than I :)

[fbiphil]

If you come across another V6 at the junkyard, grab the intake manifold setup- Datsun guys will jump on those because the inlet comes out the side, where the Z comes out the back and requires firewall mods for install into a 510...
That VG30DE swap was awe-inspiring- how did it handle with all that extra weight out front?

[johngriff]

Weighed the same, no difference. Used the same Single cam trans.

Yeah, I know the rear LCA's are revolutionary. But the price (about $1100) was just too far out of reach for those dreamers.

They are basically a modified version of the R31house adjustable lca, which WILL work, but the fit is a little weird, basically you have to move the rear bracket on the subframe (cut and weld).

After that I just did allot of slotting and welding to correct camber/toe.

Oh and luke, I have to disagree with you on the S12<AE86.

SR/RB/VG is bolt in, and the MKII (84.5+) is IRS, not solid axle. And I HATE HATE HATE Solid axle.

Now compared to the S13 which is true multi-link IRS, is shiet.

[Sean1978]

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2219/2272265542_dceff89919_b.jpg

I'm loving my S12 so far. I had an SR20DET sitting in my garage I was going to use for my widebody S13 but decided I want to go big displacement N/A for my track car, I think it's going to work out nicely in the S12.

This car is killing me on the details. I'm trying to keep it OEM but a lot of the interior pieces are falling apart. I was able to order a full new set of panels for a steal from a site called OEM surplus.

I spent $200.00 on rubber seals last weekend and I'm still not sure what I'm going to do about the shitty aftermarket sunroof thats in the car.

don't get me started on the seats. It would be easy if I was willing to swap out the old-school ness. I'd just put in S15 seats like I did in my S13. I have been looking all over at junkyards for decent ones but have only found 2 S12's at all.

[driftage240]

a s12 done right looks hard...there one at the 818 meet...i like

[Airjockie]

http://www.redpepperracing.com/gallery/d/200279-3/DSC00015.JPG

Mine's on Daily Driver status, with a KA... It needs a little tweeking, but it is a fun car to drive....a hell of a lot funner than I expected. :2f2f:

but I haven't drove it for a month, and I'm out of town for another month:-/

[HyperTek]

any one got any experience on the S110? i always thought it would be cool to have one of these.. even tho driving one on the street you probably would look like you didnt have money or something *i know in socal thats the typical stereotype *

http://us1.webpublications.com.au/static/images/articles/i25/2557_10lo.jpg
could just imagine a lowered one on some mesh or something.

would be neat to just tell some fanboys how you have a silvia and have them get all confused and fussy when they see this hahah

[motoman6968]

idk they cant be that rare my friend just picked one up the other day.....it was very clean too

[Sean1978]

any one got any experience on the S110? i always thought it would be cool to have one of these.. even tho driving one on the street you probably would look like you didnt have money or something *i know in socal thats the typical stereotype *

I have one sitting in my driveway right now:
http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2268/2271415275_e2c82e1632.jpg

Belongs to a friend, It's going to be getting a VQ35DE swapped into it.

even tho driving one on the street you probably would look like you didnt have money or something

Man, sometimes people from SoCal sound like some sort of high school movie. I could afford a G35 if I wanted one, I'd rather drive something "I" like and be PROUD of it than have something nice (read *plain**normal**boring*) to live up to someone else's expectations.

If I move out to SoCal (Might take an electronics job in the valley in a year or two) The S12 is the only one of my cars I'm taking (probably buy some sort of newer car for a DD). I'm pretty sure an 84 is just about CARB exempt, right?

[yarou]

I'm pretty sure an 84 is just about CARB exempt, right?


Doesn't work like that in cali anymore :(

[Sean1978]

Doesn't work like that in cali anymore


Crap. How does it work now? Am I going to have to get something older?

I am NOT going to deal with carb bullshit on my "toy" car if I move to Cali.

[ms!3]

i like s12s, but i hate the cae's and vgs. Ka s12s are pretty neat.

[soreballz]

Crap. How does it work now? Am I going to have to get something older?

I am NOT going to deal with carb bullshit on my "toy" car if I move to Cali.
1975 and below is smog exempt.
If you want an import as your toy, that pretty much leaves you with the 240Z, 260Z, 510, 1st gen Celica, Corona, Corolla...
Or muscle cars. Muscle cars are cooler toys anyway. lol

[Sean1978]

Muscle cars are cooler toys anyway. lol


Had a 67 Malibu. I'm not going to a "big" car agian. They aren't going to move that 1975 up ever?

Yeah, guess I'd end up selling all of my S13 chassis stuff and getting an S30 if moved out that way. S12 would probably just go into storage.

[johngriff]

CARB'S Idea of a perfect california is Pre 75 classics, and 98+ OBD II Cars only.

They are ACTIVELY Paying to get your POS off the street.
http://www.smogcheck.ca.gov/stdhome.asp

Just wait till 2012 ish, they will make it illegal to drive 80's-90's era pre and obd I cars.

[bt2s14]

I don't understand how anyone can hate on the Vg30e.... It is capable of 500 hp on the stock bottom end, lighter than the KA(not saying much), a torque monster, parts are quite cheap, it is of the same construction as the turbocharged model(besides a modified compression ratio) and it retains a very simple design.

Had to say something..

I am currently rebuilding one and plan to swap it into my s14 chassis.

[BustedS13]

1.) the vg30e is a pile of shit, i had an m30, it was a heap
2.) s12's are so gay

[johngriff]

1.) the vg30e is a pile of shit, i had an m30, it was a heap
2.) s12's are so gay

+1

At least the DE. Don't think I am promoting the VG by the swap, its one of those, I did it because you can't, na na na na na na :smash: