OMG , how can I loose. $135K for a new GTR.

[racer98]

http://losangeles.craigslist.org/lac/car/582903835.html


:fawkd:

[PhAtXSuMo]

lol damn cant wait until winter for the U.S. version??

[S14DB]

They'll be screwed once Nissan finds out.

[DreamN]

Aren't the Japanese ones governed to some ridiculously low speed though?

[hustlervibes]

Aren't the Japanese ones governed to some ridiculously low speed though?

I think they're governed to something close to 120 mph (180 kmh) while the U.S. ones go up to 155 mph. But the japanese ones have some gps tech in them that let the car max out if it sense itself on a track (probably only limited to japan though)

[kdashy]

With dealer markup, thats probably close to how much a US GT-R will cost.

[BustedS13]

this is even more lame than those people who rush out and buy the mustang in v6 form when a new body style comes out. and then you see it like the first week they're on the lot and you're all "ooh neat" but then in a month when they're everywhere you don't even see them anymore. this is that but for like a billion times the price.

[brndck]

iirc, the japanese models are regulated until you get to a track. but the track must be on the approved list of tracks from nissan, and even then, there is a long sequence that must be performed into the computer system before the limiter is removed. AND THEN, as soon as you leave the track you're required to have a full inspection done by the nissan dealer. if you don't they won't honor your warranty.
a lil bit of info is here
http://jalopnik.com/337694/jdm-godzillas-unlock-top-speed-only-at-the-track

[RedStage]

/\ at least they let you go play with it...
unlike Subaru of America who invites you to join the SCCA....then tries to deny almost every warranty claim you have...

[sean350z]

With dealer markup, thats probably close to how much a US GT-R will cost.

Acutally some dealer markups aren't all that bad...8-10k in some cases which brings you to around 80k.

[jackjack]

down payment on a house like wha???????????????????????

[Howard92884]

/ at least they let you go play with it...
unlike Subaru of America who invites you to join the SCCA....then tries to deny almost every warranty claim you have...
iirc that was Mitsubishi with the Evo's. Also who with 135k to spend is looking on craigslist?

[BustedS13]

down payment on a house like wha???????????????????????

pfff, down payment? me and a buddy are closing on a house that's 75k
....seriously my half of the payment, insurance, and utilities is gonna be like 300 bucks

[SW20Racer]

iirc that was Mitsubishi with the Evo's. Also who with 135k to spend is looking on craigslist?

no, it was subaru. trust me on this.

[Howard92884]

Companies promote cars through racing, then void warranties of racing customers
Warranty Woes: Whether abuse or autocrossing, most automakers are not covering it


By ANDREW LUU
MICHAEL MILLER DIDN’T know it, but the drivetrain warranty was already void on his son’s new Mitsubishi Evolution before he even took the car in for service to his local Salt Lake City dealership.

Unbeknownst to Miller, Mitsubishi placed a lifetime warranty restriction on the engine, clutch and transmission in Miller’s Evo because the company discovered the car had been entered in a Sports Car Club of America autocross event a month earlier.

Miller said that about two weeks after entering the Evo in the SCCA event he heard bad noises emanating from the engine bay and took the car in for service. “The dealer performed a vehicle service inquiry and I was told there was a restriction placed on my file,” Miller says.

Bottom line: After entering the car in one SCCA event, Miller was left with a $7,000 bill for repairing two failed connecting rods and a blown turbocharger.

“Problems related to racing or modifications are not covered under warranty,” says Mitsubishi spokeswoman Janis Little. “Autocrossing, or timed competition, is classified under the warranty terms as racing. It’s difficult for us to know if you’re out there racing, but if there is evidence of racing damage, we’re going to look into it and you may have warranty restrictions placed on certain parts of the vehicle.”

Most owners recognize that part of the cost of going racing means footing the repair bill when something goes awry. Manufacturer warranties and owner manuals typically specify that harsh use, abuse, non-factory modifications and racing can void all or part of a vehicle’s warranty intended to cover defects in materials or workmanship. Miller’s case, however, raises questions about how the company discovered his autocross involvement.

The buzz in online communities suggests Mitsubishi is cross matching names from its owner database with SCCA autocross results. Those who turn up on both lists are notified that their vehicle warranties are void, the online chatter claims. Miller says Mitsubishi wasn’t clear on how it learned of his autocrossing.

Mitsubishi adamantly denies that it uses automated web search systems to look for Evolutions involved in race events. “We don’t have people out there searching websites for names,” says Little.

No matter how racing involvement comes to the attention of an automaker, companies steadfastly stand by their right to limit warranty coverage—even if the cars they sell are clearly built for speed and marketed with flashy ads and brochures that promote enthusiastic driving. Most automakers say the same thing: Racing, track use, competition and other abuses aren’t covered.

“When it hits the track, all bets are off,” says Bob Carlson, Porsche Cars of North America spokesman.

For instance, even though Subaru pops for a one-year SCCA membership for every interested WRX buyer, and in its marketing materials appears to encourage owners to enter their cars in autocross events, the company says autocrossing is racing and racing can void warranty coverage. The WRX/SCCA application form says the SCCA “looks forward to helping you fully experience the benefits of owning this car.” But the form also includes a disclaimer that Subaru’s warranty excludes “damage or failure resulting from participation in competition or racing events.”

“If the damage looks to be racing related, you’re not going to be covered,” says Subaru spokeswoman Larkin Hill. “We don’t want to punish the person who goes out once in a while and autocrosses—and that shouldn’t cause any problems with the car anyway. However, autocross is considered competition and the warranty does not cover abusive driving or competition. If you’re out there racing every weekend, you can’t expect us to fund it.”

You’ll hear the same story at DaimlerChrysler Street and Racing Technology, where they make the Dodge SRT-4, the Viper-powered Ram SRT-10 and the supercharged Chrysler Crossfire SRT-6. “Technically, racing damage is not covered under warranty,” says SRT spokesman Dan Bodene. “If a guy autocrosses, submits a problem for warranty and the dealer suspects it is racing related, he’s going to huddle with our technicians to find out. If it is, our dealers are not obligated to cover it under warranty.”

Chevrolet lures young buyers with the performance promise of its 2005 supercharged Cobalt SS, but the owner’s manual clearly states the warranty does not cover alterations and misuse.

“Under the misuse heading, such things like running over curbs, improper loading and competition or racing are spelled out specifically,” says Chevy spokesman Mike Stoller. “If there’s a car coming into the dealer that has been racing and that results in damage, and it’s something that is probable or obvious, that would not be something we would be compelled to cover.”

Internal investigations aren’t limited to auto-crossing, but cover any activity deemed outside normal use, such as track days and plain old aggressive driving.

“If a guy’s constantly lighting up the tires on the street, that’s not normal wear and tear,” says Chrysler’s Bodene.

Adds Mitsubishi’s Little: “You’re not going to get black-flagged just for entering an auto-cross, but if something happens we want people to be reasonable and responsible for their own actions. If you go once in a while, just like if you drive hard on the street, who’s going to really know? But if you’re coming in two or three times to replace a blown clutch, we know you’re probably testing your car’s 0-to-60 time.”

But what about all those manufacturer- and dealer-sponsored “racing” events—track days, club meets and performance driving programs that seem to encourage owners to drive competitively?

The big difference, companies note, is that manufacturer-sponsored driving programs such as Mazda’s Rev It Up or the Porsche Driving Experience provide cars and instruction, and no owner vehicles are permitted.

One rare exception is track day events organized, sponsored and sanctioned by the national Ford SVT Owners’ Association and local Ford/SVT dealers. Owners bring their cars, and the association and participating dealers agree to cover any mechanical failures brought on by normal track use.

“Owners can participate in the instructional days without automatically voiding their warranties,” says Ford Performance Vehicles spokesman Alan Hall. “Obviously if they abuse it [the car] on the track, or there’s a part that breaks due to aggressive driving, that will not be covered under warranty. But your warranty will not be voided across the board by just participating in that event. We don’t automatically void a warranty unless above-normal abuse is shown on a vehicle.”

http://www.autoweek.com/cat_content...._code=02612566 (http://www.autoweek.com/cat_content...._code=02612566)
Link is not found due to being so old like '04.
Sw20 you were right but mitsubishi did something similar.

[andmattsayd]

135k?? to be different!? thats sorta retarted to me and yeah honestly someone that could even afford to payy 135K wouldnt be lookin on craigslist...

[jackjack]

Companies promote cars through racing, then void warranties of racing customers
Warranty Woes: Whether abuse or autocrossing, most automakers are not covering



heard about this a while ago. especially with the evo owners.

[SW20Racer]

well, i was half right...didnt know mitsu was pulling the same shit. figured they wouldve gone a different route to have a one up on subaru...oh well, its not like i own either so pffft...

[!Zar!]

Racing prematurely wears out car components. So I don't see why people act surprised.

[S14DB]

http://www.autoindustry.co.uk/news/21-12-07_12
http://www.caradvice.com.au/8890/nissan-tries-to-stop-gt-r-imports/

Well your warranty is gone if you buy this one.

[dsc4130]

no, it was subaru. trust me on this.you sure cause ive heard of evo dealers standing outside of tracks taking pics of the licence plates, but ive never heard of a suby dealer not honoring a warrenty

[StaticX27]

A friend of mine has his car at the dealer for service, and they made the mistake of giving him a loaner car that was stick shift.

Willow springs wasn't too far away, so he decided to go for a stroll.. Apparently Willow Springs called the dealership and let them know, and the dealership went after him for a ton in repairs. Tracks and car mfgs get along just fine.

[SW20Racer]

you sure cause ive heard of evo dealers standing outside of tracks taking pics of the licence plates, but ive never heard of a suby dealer not honoring a warrenty

it was settled a couple posts up, i was half right i just didnt realize mitsu was screwing their customers over as wel, i never heard a complaint from any evo owners i knew. (maybe they didnt get caught??)

[racer98]

Racing prematurely wears out car components. So I don't see why people act surprised.

Nissan is not stupid, when it comes to this. I think they have watched fellow car makers mistakes and this new GTR will be a whole new learning curve. I think there are a few who will void the warrenty and dont care if the warrenty is voided with the modifications, its the only fraction of buyers who will complain about this, well my thoughts are , why not go and buy something else ???


BUT----------------
There might be an issue raised with privacy with the GPS system but I think its a good job what Nissan is doing

[racer98]

it was settled a couple posts up, i was half right i just didnt realize mitsu was screwing their customers over as wel, i never heard a complaint from any evo owners i knew. (maybe they didnt get caught??)

Yeah , that new evo is killer with mOar plastic and less power :2f2f:

[racer98]

Kinda wondering about the new silvia with the "VCR" set up.

"Variable Cylinder ?R?"

[lflkajfj12123]

loose?

http://www.thefreedictionary.com/lose

try again

[an_orange_s2k]

wow i wonder if this guy is actually expectin calls

[lflkajfj12123]

you'd be surprised

[KA-T_240]

So what happens when you names are all over SCCA results and shit like that, but you don't race your STi/WRX/EVO..... cause you have a faster toy? Or watch racing events and drive your car there?

Another BS claim to void warrantys.

[SimpleS14]

The post is a possible scam?

pfff, down payment? me and a buddy are closing on a house that's 75k
....seriously my half of the payment, insurance, and utilities is gonna be like 300 bucks

It's all about location....

So what happens when you names are all over SCCA results and shit like that, but you don't race your STi/WRX/EVO..... cause you have a faster toy? Or watch racing events and drive your car there?

Another BS claim to void warrantys.

I'm not part of SCCA...but I think the car you're driving would be part of the results posted on websites.