Setup to kill most turboed Hondas

[StreetDemon240sx]

Hey, im gettin a 240sx pretty soon. My first mods are Custom madrel bent exhaust with a carbon fiber muffler, injen air intake, and hotshot or, greddy headers. When i geta little more money im goin to start to rebuild my engine to turbo it. First on my list is to get Pistons, rods, and balance my crank and a 300zx fuel, and customize the 95 exaust cam, and the 93 intake cam. Aries told me this is better then buying cams from pdm or wlf. I am also planning on boring the block, and port and polish. My question is, will a 75-100 shot NOS will be ok with these mods. Because im not going to be able to afford a turbo for a couple years or so. And would i be able to beat most turbo hondas and other compact cars.


Can someone show me a pic of a s13 with sportline springs cause i wanna know how low they are.

[Yoshi]

ohhhhh boy, I hear the sizzle of flames approaching.... &nbsp;<img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/wow.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':0'>

[StreetDemon240sx]

ok???

[Jim96SC2]

Ooooooooooooook buddy. Settle down there killer and put down TFATF! First, get car. Then save money (probably a years worth of salary). Then research. THEN come ask about setups. Your looking at an easy 8 grand for your engine.

[kanekz]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (StreetDemon240sx @ Oct. 18 2002,4:31)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Hey, im gettin a 240sx pretty soon. My first mods are Custom madrel bent exhaust with a carbon fiber muffler, injen air intake, and hotshot or, greddy headers. When i geta little more money im goin to start to rebuild my engine to turbo it. First on my list is to get Pistons, rods, and balance my crank and a 300zx fuel, and customize the 95 exaust cam, and the 93 intake cam. Aries told me this is better then buying cams from pdm or wlf. I am also planning on boring the block, and port and polish. My question is, will a 75-100 shot NOS will be ok with these mods. Because im not going to be able to afford a turbo for a couple years or so. And would i be able to beat most turbo hondas and other compact cars.


Can someone show me a pic of a s13 with sportline springs cause i wanna know how low they are.</td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'>
Go back to ClubSi! &nbsp;<img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/tounge.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':p'>

[Nerfdude]

ok. question. where do you live where there's an abundance of turbo hondas? iff all you want to do is spank 99% of the quote sport compact crowd, just drive a 240sx. however, i'm getting the feeling that you're not on the same level of car-love as most 240 drivers. you sound to me like the kind of person that should be driving an eclipse. you also sound like the kind of guy that might say something like "gimme two of your biggest bottles" or possibly mount an intake vent on your roof. hell, you ARE that blonde bastard from F&F...

please don't defile a 240sx.

[StreetDemon240sx]

I live in ohio. OK first off this is my car im gettin, u guys shouldnt be getting a F****** attitude of what im goin to do with my car. I was asking a simple question, if you cant answer it or have some stupid ass remark post it on someone elses post.

[whateverjames]

aren't forums a great place to chat freely and learn about things through questions? they sure are. too bad this isn't one of them. <img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/sarcasm.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':sarcasm:'>
anyhoo i would get http://coltcams.com or JWT cams myself. finding those parts used from 93 and 95 engines would be a hassle to find. a 75 shot of nitrous will be safe, if your motor is in good shape.

[uiuc240]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (StreetDemon240sx @ Oct. 18 2002,6:31)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">My first mods are:

Custom madrel bent exhaust
carbon fiber muffler

When i geta little more money im goin to start to rebuild my engine to turbo it.

First on my list is to get Pistons, rods, and balance my crank and a 300zx fuel, and customize the 95 exaust cam, and the 93 intake cam.

My question is, will a 75-100 shot NOS will be ok with these mods. Because im not going to be able to afford a turbo for a couple years or so.</td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'>
Here is why people are flaming you:

1. &nbsp;Mandrel bent custom exhaust is lame. &nbsp;Get a real system that was designed to fit your car.

2. &nbsp;Carbon fiber mufflers are even lamer. &nbsp;Once again, get a real system.

3. &nbsp;Who said you need those parts? &nbsp;The stock Nissan crank is forged and micropolished to begin with...it's good to BIG numbers (like 400 hp). &nbsp;300ZX fuel? &nbsp;Do you mean filter or pump? &nbsp;Oh, and 91 cams are the best of the best...248 degrees.

4. &nbsp;Nawwssss is expensive. &nbsp;Filling the bottle costs money. &nbsp;Save up, eat ramen, and buy a turbo. &nbsp;Power all the time.

But for your original question: &nbsp;YES, you can put a 75 shot on a stock KA.

Eric

[Black Apple]

you know i'm still a newbie here but i have noticed one thing, you guys are a buch of stuck up dicks, and whats worse, you think you're better than everyone else out there. I guess what i'm trying to say is I LOVE IT! Finally a bunch of car nuts who see it my way!

[thelinja]

They're saying all of this because you're trying to run before you can crawl. &nbsp;I got my S14 back in June and I don't know a whole lot about tuning. &nbsp;The car is fast as it is. &nbsp;Sure you can spend X number of dollars on parts just so you can beat a turbo civic.. &nbsp;woopty freakin do.. a civic. &nbsp;It takes time to find a good 240SX. &nbsp;It takes time to make 500 bucks for an exhaust...200 for an intake....and whatever else your heart desires. &nbsp;Sure, in the future I'd like to get an SR, or Turbocharge my KA but I lack the funds. &nbsp;In fact, I'm so content with my car right now...I don't even know if I want to boost it. &nbsp;You should really own a car for a while before you decide on any of that stuff anyway. &nbsp;If you wanna professionally race this car, then putting a lot of money into is a reasonable idea....but it sounds like you just want a fast car to beat the "fast car in the school parking lot" or something along those lines... Which is totally arbitrary and wasteful in long run..

[DSC]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Black Apple @ Oct. 18 2002,12:46)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">you know i'm still a newbie here but i have noticed one thing, you guys are a buch of stuck up dicks, and whats worse, you think you're better than everyone else out there. I guess what i'm trying to say is I LOVE IT! Finally a bunch of car nuts who see it my way!</td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'>
Your post confuses me, but I think I like it <img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/devil.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':devil:'>

Anyway, for the topic starter. &nbsp;Don't think too big too fast. &nbsp;Yes, you can put nitrous on a stock 240. &nbsp;But you don't want to do internals and then not turbo, I don't even know if your engine would run...

My advice would be to learn how the car works, and what specific mods actually do befor you spend lots of money on them.

Go here (http://www.howstuffworks.com/category.htm?cat=sc-engi) and learn. &nbsp;Turbos, engines, cams, tranny's, etc...
You need to know how it all works before you start modding.

Mods do you no good if you can't drive Learn how to drive well (http://www.turnfast.com)

Good luck with the car, feel free to ask whatever, whenever...on 1 condition, try it yourself first and use the search function &nbsp;<img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/thumbs-up.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':thumbsup:'>

[flipboi13]

Actually, the entire 300ZX TT fuel system is the way to go if you turbo the KA. &nbsp;My friend at FA had this setup up to 300+ rwhp (fuel pump, fuel filter, injectors)

[mbmbmb23]

If you think the people on ZIlvia are d*cks...just goto www.freshalloy.com and post some newbie q's in the tech forum.

As for boring out your KA and using NOS,.... I wouldnt. &nbsp;The KA is basically an overbored 2.0 liter engine...so theres not much room to go beyond the 2.4 litres you already have.

Like people said...either rebuild and turbo the KA or do an SR swap. &nbsp;First off, however, just drive an unmodded 240sx for awhile to get a feel for the handling....then decide on your mod list after you get a feel for the car. &nbsp;The 240sx gets sideways in the rain....so jumping to a modded 240sx without first learning the stock handling characteristics wouldnt be beneficial to you.

-m

[SSJ2Gohan]

Nos? I dont know much people on here running nos. Here I got the car for you that would work great with NOS. &nbsp;Check out my stickers!!

http://users.adelphia.net/~ssj2gohan/images/ricer.jpg

[Kreator]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (uiuc240 @ Oct. 18 2002,8:35)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">1. Mandrel bent custom exhaust is lame. Get a real system that was designed to fit your car.</td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'>
Hey f*ck off. I personally don't have $500 bucks to spend on a stupid exhaust and i don't want no stupid fartpipe hanging from teh back of my car. Custom made mandrel bent exhaust does the same exact shit as your professional made apexi exhaust that cost you $300 more than what a custom mandrel bent piping is gonna cost me. Yeah, it's not gonna last as long as yers. Big f*uckin deal. I'm sorry they never made a decent looking exhaust for an s14 240.

And streetdemon, with setup u described, you are better off saving up for the turbo right away.

[misnomer]

Y'know, instead of outright flaming him, why not just tell him why his plan is flawed, and a better way to do it?

Anyhow, from the top. Your plan is flawed <img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/tounge.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':p'> From what you've described, you will be spending a great deal on components that won't do you any good with a turbo. Things like the intake, exhaust, headers and whatnot either can't be used at all, or can't be used efficiently with a turbo. From what you've described, you will be spending a fair chunk of change on building your car to "get by" untill turbo. Same change should just be saved and put into that turbo you want. You'll get it faster, and you'll waste less money. uuic got most of it right, though I disagree on his exhaust feelings. A properly built custom exhaust will be near the performance of a prebuilt big name system. He's right on the carbon fiber muffler, though. Stainless steel will be just as good and a whole hell of a lot cheaper.

Don't bore the KA more than it takes to clean the carbon buildup off the sides of the combustion chamber. It already has thin enough walls as it is, and more displacement than pretty much any car in it's class. Remember, the KA is typically built to take advantage of it's low end torque, it's not as high winding as the other pocket rockets.

What most folks are flaming for is you are rolling in here talking about major modifications just to stay faster than a Honda. That's the wrong reason to modify a car. Nothing wrong with showboating every now and then, but a customized car should be about what you want, and how it feels to drive. It's not about who you can beat.

Another thing to keep in mind is the 240sx is better known for it's amazing handling than straight line power.

[Nerfdude]

ok, i came off a little harsh. you're getting a 240sx, so at least you're headed in the right direction (i.e. away from being a [email protected] C1v1C TuN3r). but don't go carbon fiber muffler.. and i'd like to join kreator in saying fuck you uiuc. i don't know if you noticed or not, but when you buy a catback system, the pipes are bent to fit the car. when you buy custom mandrel bent pipes, oh yeah.. they are bent to fit the car. so, if i bought a 5zigen fireball catback... it'd be the same goddamn thing as if i bought a 5zigen fireball universal and put it on custom pipes. well, almost. most of us don't have the mad mommy and daddy cash to blow on unnecessary expenses. i've got a magnaflow dual 2.5" DTM tipped muffler on 2.25" piping. sounds great, could be quieter... when i get my next 240 i'm going to get a 5zigen. but anyway, carbon fiber mufflers will do nothing useful for you. get a good muffler from a respected company- i.e. no APC or Arospeed mufflers.

[DSC]

You guys take things so fucking personal sometimes, jesus. <img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/sneaky.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':pissed:'>


<img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/cry.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':cry:'> &nbsp;<img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/cry.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':cry:'> &nbsp;<img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/cry.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':cry:'> he said something I didn't like &nbsp;<img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/cry.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':cry:'> &nbsp;<img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/cry.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':cry:'> &nbsp;<img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/cry.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':cry:'> lets say he uses his mommy and dadies money <img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/cry.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':cry:'> &nbsp;<img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/cry.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':cry:'> &nbsp;<img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/cry.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':cry:'>

[uiuc240]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (DSC @ Oct. 19 2002,3:04)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">You guys take things so fucking personal sometimes, jesus. <img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/sneaky.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':pissed:'>


<img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/cry.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':cry:'> <img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/cry.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':cry:'> <img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/cry.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':cry:'> he said something I didn't like <img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/cry.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':cry:'> <img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/cry.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':cry:'> <img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/cry.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':cry:'> lets say he uses his mommy and dadies money <img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/cry.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':cry:'> <img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/cry.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':cry:'> <img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/cry.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':cry:'></td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'>
You guys are great. &nbsp;Crackin' my shit up. &nbsp;First off, we all know opinions are like assholes...

I have yet to see a custom exhaust that looks halfway decent. &nbsp;Kreator...show me yours. &nbsp;I'm ready to be skooled. &nbsp;I'm just saying that I've seen countless crap ass welded jobs from Meineke that look and sound like crap. &nbsp;So if you have something better, show me.

As for DSC's comment about Mommy and Daddy's money, that's a bunch of shite. &nbsp;I'm a research assistant in grad school and save my pennies so I can put shit on my car. &nbsp;There has been zero help in that department.

Eric

[uiuc240]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Nerfdude @ Oct. 19 2002,2:21)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">ok, i came off a little harsh. you're getting a 240sx, so at least you're headed in the right direction (i.e. away from being a [email protected] C1v1C TuN3r). but don't go carbon fiber muffler.. and i'd like to join kreator in saying fuck you uiuc. i don't know if you noticed or not, but when you buy a catback system, the pipes are bent to fit the car. when you buy custom mandrel bent pipes, oh yeah.. they are bent to fit the car. so, if i bought a 5zigen fireball catback... it'd be the same goddamn thing as if i bought a 5zigen fireball universal and put it on custom pipes. well, almost. most of us don't have the mad mommy and daddy cash to blow on unnecessary expenses. i've got a magnaflow dual 2.5" DTM tipped muffler on 2.25" piping. sounds great, could be quieter... when i get my next 240 i'm going to get a 5zigen. but anyway, carbon fiber mufflers will do nothing useful for you. get a good muffler from a respected company- i.e. no APC or Arospeed mufflers.</td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'>
I never said they were technically different. Just that all the custom jobs i've seen are craptastic. Once again, show me yours...I'm ready.

I just think it's funny that after all that flaming, you conceded that your exhaust is too loud and that you will be getting a 5Zigen in the future. That totally defeated any argument you had. If you had said, "I love my exhaust and will get the same one rebuilt for any car I ever own," I might have been able to let you have some credibility. As it stands, your argument reeks of bullshit.

Keep the flames coming...I've got my flameproof pants on.

Eric

[DSC]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (uiuc240 @ Oct. 18 2002,5:11)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"></span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (DSC @ Oct. 19 2002,3<img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/wow.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':0'>)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">You guys take things so fucking personal sometimes, jesus. <!--emo&<img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/sneaky.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':pissed:'>


<img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/cry.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':cry:'> <img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/cry.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':cry:'> <img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/cry.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':cry:'> he said something I didn't like <img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/cry.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':cry:'> <img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/cry.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':cry:'> <img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/cry.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':cry:'> lets say he uses his mommy and dadies money <img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/cry.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':cry:'> <img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/cry.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':cry:'> <img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/cry.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':cry:'></td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'>
You guys are great. Crackin' my shit up. First off, we all know opinions are like assholes...

I have yet to see a custom exhaust that looks halfway decent. Kreator...show me yours. I'm ready to be skooled. I'm just saying that I've seen countless crap ass welded jobs from Meineke that look and sound like crap. So if you have something better, show me.

As for DSC's comment about Mommy and Daddy's money, that's a bunch of shite. I'm a research assistant in grad school and save my pennies so I can put shit on my car. There has been zero help in that department.

Eric</td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'>
I think you totally misread what I said. I didn't see you take anything personal...even still. I was refering to the last couple posts...you know <img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':)'> where someone actually said something about mommie and dadies money. <img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/alien.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':alien:'>

"most of us don't have the mad mommy and daddy cash to blow on unnecessary expenses"

[uiuc240]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">I think you totally misread what I said. I didn't see you take anything personal...even still. I was refering to the last couple posts...you know <img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':)'> where someone actually said something about mommie and dadies money. <img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/alien.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':alien:'>

"most of us don't have the mad mommy and daddy cash to blow on unnecessary expenses"</td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'>

Ahhh. I did misread you, bro. S'all good.

Hey, did you get those brake lines figured out?

Eric

[transient]

The difference between a mandrel bent custom and a commercial cat-back is engineering. Those companies spend a lot of time testing different degrees of bend for flow patterns, etc.

[uiuc240]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (transient @ Oct. 19 2002,3:49)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">The difference between a mandrel bent custom and a commercial cat-back is engineering. Those companies spend a lot of time testing different degrees of bend for flow patterns, etc.</td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'>
Some do, but I'd bet that sometimes they are just looking to make a few bucks too. &nbsp;But you're right, that's the main difference in a tested, engineered, system. &nbsp;There's a very good chance that when you go to Meineke, that guy building your exhaust may NEVER have put a full system on a 240.

And the main reason they are so loud is that almost no one bothers to weld in a resonator (pre-muffler, basically). &nbsp;Even my loud-ass N1 duals have that. &nbsp;I can't imagine how deafening they'd be without it. &nbsp;It's the perfect level right now...I rarely listen to my stereo the engine sounds so nice.

Eric

[Yoshi]

hahaha... I knew this would be a funny thread <img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':)'>

Street Demon. First things first. &nbsp;
-Get your car.
-Drive your car... not just to school or work, but really learn to drive it. &nbsp;240's are NOT street racer or drag cars... sure they can be built that way, but their strong point is their handling. in AutoX and road racing, the fastest cars is rarely the winner, it's the fastest driver.
-Learn how your car work before you mess with it. &nbsp;If you could get a ferrari, would you start making all sorts of future plans before learning what it can do on it's own? a stock 240 may surprise you, espcially if you're coming from a background full of DSMs, civics, accords, and probes (icky).
-half the mods you mentioned will be pointless wastes of $ when you go turbo... and nothing will match the power of the turbo anyway.

[Kreator]

uiuc240 - i never attempted to flame you. All i said was that your comment about mandrel bent custom exhausts being lame is gay. Just because you can't find a decent muffler shop, doesn't mean you can't get a custom exhaust done right. If everything else fails, you can buy a welder, get the needed pipes and weld all the shit yerself. And you can get quolity exhaust for even cheaper. And i would love to show you what will come out of the custom job i get, unfortunately i'm not getting an exhaust put on till the turbo is on the car. 2 reasons for that: a. i'm not gonna run around with 2.5" piping on N/A car. b. I can save up if i get exhaust and intercooler piping at the same time.

transient - even if they do test the flow, we are talking about 1-2 hp here what is basicly NOTHING. I'd rather have a cheap custom exhaust that gives me 5 hp vs 5zigen that is supposed to give me 8hp. I won't personally give a shit.

Finally, if there was a single good company (apexi, blitz, hks, ...) that came out with stock looking systems for s14(like HKS sport for s13) w/ 2.5"+ piping that was of a decent cost, i would be the first one to order it and put on my car. Never did i say that custom was better than professional made. But i'm not about to spend $500 on an exhaust that i don't even like.

[uiuc240]

Fine be me, yo. &nbsp;If you want to think that my argument is gay, go right ahead. &nbsp;I'd still like to see this exhaust you have. &nbsp;If it's cool, I'll agree with you wholeheartedly. &nbsp;Until then, I'm standing by my claim that a decent custom exhaust is a RARE find on an import car. &nbsp;

And that was not a flame. &nbsp;It was a request.

Eric

[misnomer]

Welds aren't always pretty, as long as they hold. . . How many people are going to crawl under your car and say "wow, those are some mad tyte welds you got goin' on here!" ;-) I have to agree with Kreator on this one, there are few to no somewhat stock looking aftermarket exhausts, all tend to be n1 style canisters with 3 inch openings. Not everybody likes that look and sound. I'd go for a custom exhaust with a good performance muffler and not really care how ugly the welds are. . . As long as everything holds together and does thier job. We don't need to turn this into a war of opinions, I think we can all agree that those are gheyer than custom exhausts ;-)

[Kreator]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (misnomer @ Oct. 19 2002,6:35)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Welds aren't always pretty, as long as they hold. . . How many people are going to crawl under your car and say "wow, those are some mad tyte welds you got goin' on here!" ;-) I have to agree with Kreator on this one, there are few to no somewhat stock looking aftermarket exhausts, all tend to be n1 style canisters with 3 inch openings. Not everybody likes that look and sound. I'd go for a custom exhaust with a good performance muffler and not really care how ugly the welds are. . . As long as everything holds together and does thier job. We don't need to turn this into a war of opinions, I think we can all agree that those are gheyer than custom exhausts ;-)</td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'>
but he does have a point. Bad welds tend to leak. And that sounds really bad and hurts performance. So while his dual will be on his car for 4-5 years, we'll be switching exhausts every 2-3 cuz they'll be rusting and coming apart.

[AutoDestruct]

Kreator did you just bust a U-turn? &nbsp;I think you did. &nbsp;You know guys this kid is probably only 14 or 15. &nbsp;He reaks of useless knowledge and shit that doesn't matter, kinda like me when I was 13. &nbsp; But as far as the exhaust goes I had a custom mandrel bent on my honda accord and it pretty much blowed for 200 dollars and I just put my N1 dual on my 91 off my 89 and it F*ckin kicks ass. &nbsp;I go up and down the gears pointlessly just to hear that growl. &nbsp; I don't think any one honestly buys a can for its hp gain, &nbsp;They want the look and the sound. &nbsp;A tested system is just the way to go, &nbsp;period &nbsp;<img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/cool.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':cool:'>

[jap drifter]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Nerfdude @ Oct. 18 2002,7:32)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">you sound to me like the kind of person that should be driving an eclipse.</td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'>
we take dragging pretty seriously <img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/wink.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=';)'> like the other guys said,your "dream setup" is going to cost a pretty penny. yeah if you want to buy a car for smashing hondas i would buy a first gen eclipse. awd ones make pretty formidable drag cars on a budget. 12s are super cheap in respect to other 4 cylinder cars.

[Kreator]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (AutoDestruct @ Oct. 19 2002,10:52)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Kreator did you just bust a U-turn? I think you did. You know guys this kid is probably only 14 or 15. He reaks of useless knowledge and shit that doesn't matter, kinda like me when I was 13. But as far as the exhaust goes I had a custom mandrel bent on my honda accord and it pretty much blowed for 200 dollars and I just put my N1 dual on my 91 off my 89 and it F*ckin kicks ass. I go up and down the gears pointlessly just to hear that growl. I don't think any one honestly buys a can for its hp gain, They want the look and the sound. A tested system is just the way to go, period <img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/cool.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':cool:'></td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'>
Hmm, no i didn't bust anything... but i did take my engine apart.... Anyways, I'm pretty happy that having 2 fartpipes makes your life so exciting. If you don't know places where you can get decent exhausts done, i'm really sorry for you. You busted your $200, and i had nothing to do with it. As i said, if you are lazy to do any research and can't find a decent place that can do a good job, then i guess wasting $200 is the way for you to go. And the show part of cars doesn't excite me at all. I find n1-dual oversized for our cars and plain ugly. And believe me i'm not the only one that thinks that when i see a dual on a car. That can't be said about stock exhaust. It looks unnoticable and doesn't scream in yer face "Look at me, i'm ugly and i can growl like a V8 but don't let that fool you, i'm still slow" like duals do... on n/a cars.

Oh, and i'm not 14 and i'm not 15. I have enough knowledge on this argument, and i have a decent general knowledge of cars. I know how exhausts work and how custom exhausts differ from catback systems. I know plusses and negatives of each one and i know which one i would rather have. Yet it will forever evade me what is the point of having a 3.5" tip on a ~2.4" pipe. I'm sorry, i find can mufflers lame looking, but that's just me. Like i said before, if they made a 2.5" (or 3") piping for an s14 240sx w/ a decent muffler (say dual 2.5" outlets), i'd be happy to buy it. But they don't. Thats why i'm getting custom. And saying that getting custom exhaust is lame, is ignorant. Thats all i'm trying to say.

PS. here is something for you to think about
looks and sounds -> show -> rice
it's a bit harsh, but it's not direct relationship, but one usuallly being derived from the other.

[uiuc240]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Kreator @ Oct. 19 2002,11:49)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">then i guess wasting $200 is the way for you to go. And the show part of cars doesn't excite me at all. I find n1-dual oversized for our cars and plain ugly. And believe me i'm not the only one that thinks that when i see a dual on a car. That can't be said about stock exhaust. It looks unnoticable and doesn't scream in yer face "Look at me, i'm ugly and i can growl like a V8 but don't let that fool you, i'm still slow" like duals do... on n/a cars.

PS. here is something for you to think about
looks and sounds -> show -> rice
it's a bit harsh, but it's not direct relationship, but one usuallly being derived from the other.</td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'>
The duals are not that large. &nbsp;The single is too big, yes. &nbsp;I've never had anyone point and laugh about my exhaust, but I've seen TONS of people laugh at a cheap Magnaflow and a chrome tip. &nbsp;Blah.

Here's my thing. &nbsp;Have you actually heard or driven a 240 with duals and an SR? &nbsp;It's literally the best sounding combination I've heard besides a tuned 350. &nbsp;Seriously. &nbsp;I have yet to hear a nicer exhaust on a 240.

As for the looks/sound = show = rice...that's a bunch of crap and you know it. &nbsp;There are plenty of parts that make your car look nice that also perform a function. &nbsp;Like kick ass forged Volk wheels. &nbsp;Like a nice stainless steel header/manifold. &nbsp;Like waxing the paint. &nbsp;Like washing the car. &nbsp;Shit, the next time you wash your car, I'm sending the rice police!

Eric

[Kreator]

Nobody is planning on a chromed tip. I'm putting a decent muffler on, and i can bet you, 9/10 people will think it's stock muffler.

The tips of the duals aren't oversized by themselves. If you had one i'd have nothing against it. But 2 of them. With 2" in between the tips... that's oversized. It doesn't "fit" our cars. But like i said it's just me.

Also i have nothing against n1-dual on an sr powered 240. I find it bad looking, but if the owner likes it, it's his car after all. What i have against is an n1-dual on a n/a car. Now it doesn't only look ugly imho, but it makes everyone aware of the slow car on the road. And even though i also like the sound that the dual makes, i find attracting attention to 16 second car kinda lame.

Yeah, the sound = show = rice was harsh. I take it back.

but that all was offtopic.

I guess it all comes down to this for me: If you have a 3" piping, have a 3" tip. Why would you want to make it bigger? Like i said, give me a stock looking proffesionaly made exhaust for a decent price, and i wont' consider custom mandrel bent. But they don't make one. And none of the professionally made exhausts come with any tips smaller than 3.5". That makes a great deal. It might perform it's funciton, but if i think it looks ugly, i'm not putting it on my car.

[uiuc240]

ok, whatever. &nbsp;This is obviously going nowhere and we both know it. &nbsp;You can have your custom exhaust and that's fine with me. &nbsp;You will be part of a very small group of people who actually have nice custom systems. &nbsp;The other 95% are crap, and you know it. &nbsp;C'mon, tell me you haven't seen 10 Saturns in the last month rolling on "custom" systems which consist of welding a can on a stock system. &nbsp;I know that's not what you're talking about, but I'm just saying that the general quality level of a custom system is low. &nbsp;I'd like to see yours when you get it done. &nbsp;I'm sure it will be cool. &nbsp;If it's not, I'm sending the rice police, though. &nbsp;<img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/wink.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=';)'>

Eric <img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/devil.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':devil:'> &nbsp;<img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/yin-yang.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':yingyang:'>

[AutoDestruct]

Well whoop'd shit Kreator. &nbsp; You got a f*ckin pine tree up your ass or are you just happy to see me. &nbsp;A. &nbsp;Do you even know what the N1 dual looks like, I am not so sure. &nbsp;B. &nbsp; I wasn't talking about you being 13 or 14 I was talking about the original post. &nbsp;It is easy to see that all you have is a flaming bag of shit when you just read and fire back without a thought &nbsp;O and C &nbsp; have you heard a N1 dual? &nbsp;I guess you are just staying true to your "Hip hop" roots and going with the OG of exhausts the menike custom or whatever shop has got you in its mind lock. &nbsp;I guess you have seen a bunch of pics and maybe a sound bite so you know everything know. &nbsp;You see I have actually done these things and been on that block, and now Im on the next. &nbsp;So why don't you start to think instead vomit verbage out your mouth the next time you post KRE to the HATER.

[Kreator]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (AutoDestruct @ Oct. 20 2002,12:34)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Well whoop'd shit Kreator. You got a f*ckin pine tree up your ass or are you just happy to see me. A. Do you even know what the N1 dual looks like, I am not so sure. B. I wasn't talking about you being 13 or 14 I was talking about the original post. It is easy to see that all you have is a flaming bag of shit when you just read and fire back without a thought O and C have you heard a N1 dual? I guess you are just staying true to your "Hip hop" roots and going with the OG of exhausts the menike custom or whatever shop has got you in its mind lock. I guess you have seen a bunch of pics and maybe a sound bite so you know everything know. You see I have actually done these things and been on that block, and now Im on the next. So why don't you start to think instead vomit verbage out your mouth the next time you post KRE to the HATER.</td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'>
Are YOU 13 or 14 by any chance? Cus i don't see you doing anything else except insulting. I've seen n1-dual, i've heard n-1 dual, i've considered n-1 dual. I love the way it sounds, i hate the way it looks. That's my opinion. You don't like it, live with it. For you very concerned opinion, i've been doing my research on exhausts for about 4 months now. I don't really think u can say the same thing. Oh, and it's not meineke (unless the shop i know shows me exactly what they can do first hand), it's gonna be company that specializes in making custom made performance exhausts. Or it's going to be a custom made project done by me and my friend with a welder and a bunch of stainless steel pipes already bent at the angles we need.

uiuc240 - well i'll send you pics when i get it. Hope it'll come out ok. As for the custom exhausts being rice... i have to say it's a bunch of crap too <img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':)'> It's low quolity, but it's definately not show (unless u put a gay muffler on) and it does give you some of the go. And the go ain't too different than a performance exhaust... so i don't see where the rice comes into play...

[AutoDestruct]

Fine, end of discussion. &nbsp; &nbsp; Ciao.

[justeno_heat]

Originally posted by Nerfdude
ok. question. where do you live where there's an abundance of turbo hondas? iff all you want to do is spank 99% of the quote sport compact crowd, just drive a 240sx. however, i'm getting the feeling that you're not on the same level of car-love as most 240 drivers. you sound to me like the kind of person that should be driving an eclipse. you also sound like the kind of guy that might say something like "gimme two of your biggest bottles" or possibly mount an intake vent on your roof. hell, you ARE that blonde bastard from F&F...

please don't defile a 240sx.
You'r awsome man...

[Jeff240sx]

Originally posted by justeno_heat
You'r awsome man...

Are you retarded? Why would you dig up a 6 month old thread to congratulate someone that doesn't even post on this board anymore!?
:CLOSED:
-Jeff